***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (1 Viewer)

[Harry Manback]

Yeah, in terms of murder/kills to this point, it's like 30-1 in favor of Rick's group. 

Exactly. And granted they met the saviors on the road, and they were menacing and stuff but Gregory was basically like "These people are bad, kill them" and Rick was just like "Ok, sure!"

 

[BigJim®]

Exactly. And granted they met the saviors on the road, and they were menacing and stuff but Gregory was basically like "These people are bad, kill them" and Rick was just like "Ok, sure!"

Meh, I think the act of killing other humans, and whether you remain inherently good/bad doing so in this world, comes down to motivation for the killing. By their own admission Saviors kill one person as initial intimidation gesture, and seemingly threatened killing a hostage or beheading of Gregory because they were not receiving full extorted goods from a bunch of unarmed pilgrims. I just don't see Rick & gang doing anything that deplorable. They certainly could, have done the same themselves at Alexandria or Hilltop. Also I don't think for a moment Rick & gang attacked the Savior facility purely for the Hilltop trade. I think they would likely have felt compelled to take initiative (a la Zombie pit plan to get them before they come for us) given the threat to Alexandria, and getting anything out of it was a bonus.   

 

[In The Zone]

It does seem that Rick really is trying to be Proactive rather than reactive. 

 

[tonydead]

Meh, I think the act of killing other humans, and whether you remain inherently good/bad doing so in this world, comes down to motivation for the killing. By their own admission Saviors kill one person as initial intimidation gesture, and seemingly threatened killing a hostage or beheading of Gregory because they were not receiving full extorted goods from a bunch of unarmed pilgrims. I just don't see Rick & gang doing anything that deplorable. They certainly could, have done the same themselves at Alexandria or Hilltop. Also I don't think for a moment Rick & gang attacked the Savior facility purely for the Hilltop trade. I think they would likely have felt compelled to take initiative (a la Zombie pit plan to get them before they come for us) given the threat to Alexandria, and getting anything out of it was a bonus.   

So just like the Governor then?

Food for thought.  The pole is 43% worse or worse in some ways to 46% not worse than the Governor.

 

[El Floppo]

I enjoy discussing the episodes which have aired, which is why I enjoy reading and participating in this thread.  I don't watch Talking Dead and I don't read articles regarding the show. As such, the only place I hear spoilers is in this thread. This is where I learned of the Neegan casting. This is where I learned that he's the worst of the bad guys. This is where I learned that he supposedly kills a main character right off the bat, and will do so in some gruesome way. This is where I learned about the manner in which the guy's face was burned. And those are just the spoilers about a single character who has yet to make an appearance in the show. In fact, if it weren't for all those spoilers, I'd be doubting that there even was a Neegan character in light of the "we're all Neegan" talk.

In short, just because you might think something from the comics or that has been leaked in some article online is common knowledge doesn't mean it is.  Put another way, "I'm surprised you haven't heard about the spoiler I just posted" isn't a satisfactory response to someone who endeavors to avoid spoilers but nevertheless enjoys discussing the show.

And yes, I realize that I just reposted some of the spoilers that have been discussed the last few pages. I sincerely apologize for doing that to make a point.

exact same for me. 

 

[El Floppo]

Rick seems like a full on psycho, no better than the Saviors really.

Yeah, in terms of murder/kills to this point, it's like 30-1 in favor of Rick's group. 

I was thinking about this the other day.

somebody does something that doesn't fly with the leaders of the group.

pneagyn's group: sharia law maiming.

ricks group: pining for the fjords. deceased. ex-parrot.

at least one of them leaves the rule breaker alive.

 

[cstu]

It does seem that Rick really is trying to be Proactive rather than reactive. 

In the ZA there are the Proactive and the Dead.

 

[ghostguy123]

You do realize that we have two separate very active Game of Thrones threads, one for book readers and one for non-book readers, right?  Game of Thrones trumps Walking Dead in every category, including how annoying their book nerds are, though TWD readers are catching up with the barrage of spoilers lately.

When is The Talking Thrones on?

 

[cockroach]

You spoiler cry babies need to learn how to control your eyes.  If you see someone talking about what's going to happen STOP READING!   Was it this thread where someone was pouting about something being spoiled for them when someone was discussing what they saw on the, "Next week, on the Walking Dead..." teaser?

 

[Psychopav]

Debatable, but you yourself re-posted what you admitted spoiled something for you. 

If someone hadn't seen that same spoiler, they now might thanks to you.

Tad bit hypocritical, no?

In an ironic twist of fate, I haven't been on the board much at all since the upgrade, and have never read the comics.

Biggie's post above was as spoilerish as I'd like to see, if I had my wish, and I hadn't read a thing of what he was referring to as having been posted prior to this.  I skipped over the last 20 or so thread pages when I came on here this morning.

That said, per my nonsensical, autocorrected post earlier, I don't really even care about TWD spoilers.  They have been all wrong or at least far enough afield that I don't put any stock in them at all.

If someone had spoiled the major events in Game of Thrones for me, I would have been super pissed.  Luckily, I read the books so I just looked on in amusement as the threads split.

 

[bigbottom]

You spoiler cry babies need to learn how to control your eyes.  If you see someone talking about what's going to happen STOP READING!   Was it this thread where someone was pouting about something being spoiled for them when someone was discussing what they saw on the, "Next week, on the Walking Dead..." teaser?

I have no problem with people discussing next week's previews. As for controlling your eyes, it's hard to know that something is a spoiler until it's been read. If a comic reader simply posted "Sophia is in the barn," how are you going to avoid reading that?

 

[Psychopav]

Such a great post.

You're only saying that because you love irony, but hate signatures.

 

[bigbottom]

In an ironic twist of fate, I haven't been on the board much at all since the upgrade, and have never read the comics.

Biggie's post above was as spoilerish as I'd like to see, if I had my wish, and I hadn't read a thing of what he was referring to as having been posted prior to this.  I skipped over the last 20 or so thread pages when I came on here this morning.

That said, per my nonsensical, autocorrected post earlier, I don't really even care about TWD spoilers.  They have been all wrong or at least far enough afield that I don't put any stock in them at all.

If someone had spoiled the major events in Game of Thrones for me, I would have been super pissed.  Luckily, I read the books so I just looked on in amusement as the threads split.

Well, I sincerely apologize. I can only hope that your sacrifice served the greater good. 

 

[Psychopav]

I have no problem with people discussing next week's previews. As for controlling your eyes, it's hard to know that something is a spoiler until it's been read. If a comic reader simply posted "Sophia is in the barn," how are you going to avoid reading that?

Who's barn?  What barn?  My barn?

 

[cockroach]

I have no problem with people discussing next week's previews. As for controlling your eyes, it's hard to know that something is a spoiler until it's been read. If a comic reader simply posted "Sophia is in the barn," how are you going to avoid reading that?

Is that what happened?   What # is the offending post?

 

[bigbottom]

Is that what happened?   What # is the offending post?

That was a hypothetical example. I suggest you peruse the 654 pages of this thread to find all the spoilers and then determine if each one could have simply been avoided by controlling your eyes.  Many of them cannot. In fact, the one referenced on this page or the last, which has since been deleted, involved nothing more than bolding a phrase in non-spoiler post to reveal something that purportedly happens in the comics. I think I have pretty talented eyes, but I don't think I can train them to avoid boldface type. 

How about this instead. If you're going to post a spoiler, instead of relying on the level of control every reader has over their eyes, how about you simply put the content in spoiler tags?  After all, that is precisely what spoiler tags are for. It's simple courtesy really. 

 

[ghostguy123]

I actually was not even referring to spoilers specifically as what I think is taking away from the show.  It's the over exposure.  Links upon links and articles all over the place not only talking about the comparisons of the comics and the show, but also just other generic BS that is over discussed and over analyzed more than any show I have ever seen. 

I was also talking as a generalization, not that EVERY person is affected by it, and said that. 

I think it is at the point where the vast majority of people watching the show are looking for specific things rather than sitting back and enjoying the show. 

 

[jamny]

I actually was not even referring to spoilers specifically as what I think is taking away from the show.  It's the over exposure.  Links upon links and articles all over the place not only talking about the comparisons of the comics and the show, but also just other generic BS that is over discussed and over analyzed more than any show I have ever seen. 

I was also talking as a generalization, not that EVERY person is affected by it, and said that. 

I think it is at the point where the vast majority of people watching the show are looking for specific things rather than sitting back and enjoying the show. 

And I was just pointing out that the exposure you are getting may not be as common with other people as you can see by some responses here. It was funny that later in the day a friend did post an article on facebook about how the arrow scene was filmed but it is very rare for me to see anything on the show outside of this thread. I see much more when GoT is on.

 

[ghostguy123]

And I was just pointing out that the exposure you are getting may not be as common with other people as you can see by some responses here. It was funny that later in the day a friend did post an article on facebook about how the arrow scene was filmed but it is very rare for me to see anything on the show outside of this thread. I see much more when GoT is on.

And back to my original post a while back, you don't see a stupid hour long Talking Thrones show.  Probably (definitely) for the best. 

 

[jamny]

And back to my original post a while back, you don't see a stupid hour long Talking Thrones show.  Probably (definitely) for the best. 

Well that's an AMC thing and I haven't seen it enough to comment on it. I might have watched half of one episode when it first started.

 

[BigJim®]

So just like the Governor then?

Food for thought.  The pole is 43% worse or worse in some ways to 46% not worse than the Governor.

That comparison seems beyond comical to me. You could see Rick killing an army sergent and ambushing his unit in a massacre? Lying and manipulating everyone in his community as he rules with an iron fist? Would Rick have attacked the prison over and over for nothing but bloodlust? Chop off heads as trophies? Mow down his entire community with a machine gun when they don't follow orders on a pointless ego-driven mission? Well, to each his own. Rick may be on the edge but he's sincere, open and well intended. I can't much disagree with the motive behind any of his killings. Is there someone in particular you think Rick killed needlessly?

 

[ghostguy123]

Well that's an AMC thing and I haven't seen it enough to comment on it. I might have watched half of one episode when it first started.

If it was more like this thread it might actually be a GREAT show.  Being serious. 

 

[ghostguy123]

And all this talk about the group and Rick being as bad as guys like the Gov...............cmon.  No.  Just no.  Rick and company are reacting, not out seeking to rob and kill without being provoked. 

 

[tonydead]

That comparison seems beyond comical to me. You could see Rick killing an army sergent and ambushing his unit in a massacre? Lying and manipulating everyone in his community as he rules with an iron fist? Would Rick have attacked the prison over and over for nothing but bloodlust? Chop off heads as trophies? Mow down his entire community with a machine gun when they don't follow orders on a pointless ego-driven mission? Well, to each his own. Rick may be on the edge but he's sincere, open and well intended. I can't much disagree with the motive behind any of his killings. Is there someone in particular you think Rick killed needlessly?

Not interested in debating either way. The show is too inconsistent to tell what the writers are trying to portray.  From Rick killing the two men in the bar in season two when they, at least initially, just want to join up with them to making friends with Jesus after he flat out robbed them. And the manic rolarcoaster in between.  

Just interesting that the pole was split down the middle. Half the people disagree with you.  Probably because of what I described above. 

 

[Harry Manback]

That comparison seems beyond comical to me. You could see Rick killing an army sergent and ambushing his unit in a massacre? Lying and manipulating everyone in his community as he rules with an iron fist? Would Rick have attacked the prison over and over for nothing but bloodlust? Chop off heads as trophies? Mow down his entire community with a machine gun when they don't follow orders on a pointless ego-driven mission? Well, to each his own. Rick may be on the edge but he's sincere, open and well intended. I can't much disagree with the motive behind any of his killings. Is there someone in particular you think Rick killed needlessly?

Well, he did break into a barracks and kill everyone inside while they were sleeping.

How did those people provoke them?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

So ghostguy is one of those people that lives in a rich neighborhood and assumes that means there's no poverty in the world, or lives in a white neighborhood and so assumes there's no racism, right?  

 

[ghostguy123]

Well, he did break into a barracks and kill everyone inside while they were sleeping.

How did those people provoke them?

Aside from that a group opening fire on Sasha, Abe, and Daryl when they were driving down the road, burn face guy screwing over daryl, and the biker gang two seconds from executing Daryl/Abe/Sasha, not to mention robbing and murdering their new friends at Hilltop................I suppose nothing. 

In order to survive and get food from Hilltop they agreed to take out negan and his crew, none of which needed to be done or would have been done had Negan not been robbing Hilltop, and even making one of their own stab that leader guy (forget his name) because they were holding one of their crew hostage. 

 

[ghostguy123]

So ghostguy is one of those people that lives in a rich neighborhood and assumes that means there's no poverty in the world, or lives in a white neighborhood and so assumes there's no racism, right?  

wait, huh?

 

[ghostguy123]

Not interested in debating either way. The show is too inconsistent to tell what the writers are trying to portray.  From Rick killing the two men in the bar in season two when they, at least initially, just want to join up with them to making friends with Jesus after he flat out robbed them. And the manic rolarcoaster in between.  

Just interesting that the pole was split down the middle. Half the people disagree with you.  Probably because of what I described above. 

You know the guys at that bar threatened them and drew their guns on them right?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

wait, huh?

Hint: You think that your crazy outlier reality where apparently you turn on CNN and get bombarded with theories about TWD is everyone else's reality too.

I'm on the internet pretty regularly and I can't say in my 6 years or whatever watching this show that I've ever come across an article about it.  To say something like "no show has ever been analyzed like this with links and articles" in a world where LOST exists shows how crazy some of these statements are.  Forget the thousands of fansites for lost, there were dozens of websites devoted merely to different theories about Lost each of which were full of discussions about that one theory that made this 655 page thread look like the first chapter of a cliffs notes.  Links and articles?  Was there even anything else to the internet in 2008 besides links and articles about Lost?

And come on, the "vast majority" of viewers are watching TWD looking for something specifically rather than just watching the show?  Maybe the comic readers, I'll give you that, but the vast majority of viewers have never read a word of text about TWD.

 

[BigJim®]

Not interested in debating either way. The show is too inconsistent to tell what the writers are trying to portray.  From Rick killing the two men in the bar in season two when they, at least initially, just want to join up with them to making friends with Jesus after he flat out robbed them. And the manic rolarcoaster in between.  

Just interesting that the pole was split down the middle. Half the people disagree with you.  Probably because of what I described above. 

You mean the guys in the bar who wanted to go to the farm and ended up drawing on them when they refused? You know there was more to that than what you're describing, right?

 

[BigJim®]

Well, he did break into a barracks and kill everyone inside while they were sleeping.

How did those people provoke them?

Basically I would just say exactly what ghostguy said. I'm not sure how you can ignore the threat the Neegan group posed after announcing the intent & M.O. of their group, averting a killing of Sasha/Abe/Daryl by a minor miracle, and further substantiation of the risk of even encountering that gang based on what they learned at Hilltop. If that was your son and daughter trying to make a peaceful existence at Alexandria, you wouldn't think this group had provoked you? Destruction at their hands was an inevitability.

 

[cstu]

Basically I would just say exactly what ghostguy said. I'm not sure how you can ignore the threat the Neegan group posed after announcing the intent & M.O. of their group, averting a killing of Sasha/Abe/Daryl by a minor miracle, and further substantiation of the risk of even encountering that gang based on what they learned at Hilltop. If that was your son and daughter trying to make a peaceful existence at Alexandria, you wouldn't think this group had provoked you? Destruction at their hands was an inevitability.

Do people realize how stupid they'd look for questioning Rick's decision had those three actually died as the Saviors had planned?  That they survived doesn't change the fact that the Saviors are murderers.

 

[renesauz]

And all this talk about the group and Rick being as bad as guys like the Gov...............cmon.  No.  Just no.  Rick and company are reacting, not out seeking to rob and kill without being provoked. 

Yeah...I'm not getting this either. I saw plenty of reasons to strike Negan's group pro-actively, and very few for considering them "no worse than" Rick's group.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

Weekly agenda:

Monday - Tuesday afternoon:  Discussion of the episode.

Tuesday afternoon - Wednesday afternoon:  Comparison study, real life vs. the zombie apocalypse. Focus: What would go bad?

Wednesday afternoon - Friday: Debate. Topic, What is a spoiler?

 

[El Floppo]

Weekly agenda:

Monday - Tuesday afternoon:  Discussion of the episode.

Tuesday afternoon - Wednesday afternoon:  Comparison study, real life vs. the zombie apocalypse. Focus: What would go bad?

Wednesday afternoon - Friday: Debate. Topic, What is a spoiler?

Raises hand... present!

 

[Bossman]

Of course Rick knows that Kneagun is bad ... because he's already read Carls comic books.

Now he just needs to show them to Morgan.

 

[Copeman]

 *edited to make the little nerds happy*

 

[IvanKaramazov]

 Lots of flub lately about the finale ending with the first person view of the person Negan is going to kill. They are looking up at Negan as he swings the bat at their head, then *fade to black*, and we won't know who it is until the fall.  That would suck.

I'm actually expecting something like this.   This franchise has done cliff-hangers at the end of the last several seasons (including the mini-seasons).  I despise them, but that's what this show does.  I can easily see this group of writers -- the same ones that killed Glenn off and then brought him back to life after a couple of "Is Glenn really dead?" episodes -- thinking that this kind of ending would be a good way to create buzz.

 

[tonydead]

 Lots of flub lately about the finale ending with the first person view of the person Negan is going to kill. They are looking up at Negan as he swings the bat at their head, then *fade to black*, and we won't know who it is until the fall.  That would suck.

  Spoilers!!!!! 

 

[Harry Manback]

Do people realize how stupid they'd look for questioning Rick's decision had those three actually died as the Saviors had planned?  That they survived doesn't change the fact that the Saviors are murderers.

Probably, but I haven't seen them murder anyone.

Have you?

 

[shadyridr]

 

[shadyridr]

 Lots of flub lately about the finale ending with the first person view of the person Negan is going to kill. They are looking up at Negan as he swings the bat at their head, then *fade to black*, and we won't know who it is until the fall.  That would suck.

Seriously enough with the ####### spoilers

 

[Copeman]

How is that a spoiler???

 

[tonydead]

Basically I would just say exactly what ghostguy said. I'm not sure how you can ignore the threat the Neegan group posed after announcing the intent & M.O. of their group, averting a killing of Sasha/Abe/Daryl by a minor miracle, and further substantiation of the risk of even encountering that gang based on what they learned at Hilltop. If that was your son and daughter trying to make a peaceful existence at Alexandria, you wouldn't think this group had provoked you? Destruction at their hands was an inevitability.

Right, which makes it silly for leaving Jesus alive tied up on the road first, then the second time instead of leaving him knocked out to die take him back home and make besties with him.

 

[shadyridr]

How is that a spoiler???

You told us how this season ends. How is that not a ####### spoiler?

 

[Copeman]

You told us how this season ends. How is that not a ####### spoiler?

How would I know how it ends?  Calm your nerd ### the #### down.

 

[tonydead]

How is that a spoiler???

Spoiler

How is Negan killing someone with a bat not a spoiler?

 I really don't care though, my post was sarcastic.

 

[BigJim®]

Probably, but I haven't seen them murder anyone.

Have you?

So your viewing experience is to believe all characters on this show are good, regardless of any interactions, until you see them actually kill? Interesting. That is a higher standard for self defense than laws on our own society's books today.

 

[Harry Manback]

So your viewing experience is to believe all characters on this show are good, regardless of any interactions, until you see them actually kill? Interesting. That is a higher standard for self defense than laws on our own society's books today.

What does being good have to do with someone deserving to die? Do all bad people deserve death?