***OFFICIAL*** Washington Commanders Thread (3 Viewers)

[MikeApf]

I agree Nittany...many would have predicted 4-4 at this point. I think 7-10 or so is a good prediction but what that also means is if they play gangbusters they could sneak into the playoffs. Who do we have yet to play? Could we go 5-4 over this schedule (out of order) and end at 9-8?

Dallas
NY Giants
NY Giants
Philly
Texans
Falcons
49ers
Brown
Vikings

Not sure it's possible but let's say you split with NYGiants and beat Dallas giving you a spit there. Then beat Texans, Falcons, and Browns. That gets you 5 wins without claiming we could beat Philly, Minnesota, or San Fransisco.

It's all on paper...and I'd say that's a best case scenario, which is why 7 wins more likely. But nice to have something to root for...

 

[Brunell4MVP]

I hope they can sustain this. But IMO we will be back to criticizing coaching on both sides of the ball after they play some better teams. They don't have the game plan on either side to beat teams like MIN, SFO, DAL, PHI and maybe even NYG. They barely beat the turds of the NFL the last 3 weeks. And lost to DET the biggest turd. It's a nice high they are on, but IMO the reality is it's coming to a screeching halt.

 

[ffmail4me]

Did anyone see the video of Terry after the game when they gave him the game ball? He is SO freaking likable, and the team LOVES him. I just wish he had a better QB, and still think Howell would do wonders for the downfield passing game.

 

[ffmail4me]

I hope they can sustain this. But IMO we will be back to criticizing coaching on both sides of the ball after they play some better teams. They don't have the game plan on either side to beat teams like MIN, SFO, DAL, PHI and maybe even NYG. They barely beat the turds of the NFL the last 3 weeks. And lost to DET the biggest turd. It's a nice high they are on, but IMO the reality is it's coming to a screeching halt.

Agree, I don't see us beating anyone in our division right now. I hope I'm wrong, but wouldn't bet on it.

 

[MikeApf]

I hope they can sustain this. But IMO we will be back to criticizing coaching on both sides of the ball after they play some better teams. They don't have the game plan on either side to beat teams like MIN, SFO, DAL, PHI and maybe even NYG. They barely beat the turds of the NFL the last 3 weeks. And lost to DET the biggest turd. It's a nice high they are on, but IMO the reality is it's coming to a screeching halt.

Yup most likely we crap the bed the next two weeks. But I don't want to start looking at mock drafts yet so I am going to put rose colored glasses on and live in false hopes...

 

[dgreen]

Did anyone see the video of Terry after the game when they gave him the game ball? He is SO freaking likable, and the team LOVES him. I just wish he had a better QB, and still think Howell would do wonders for the downfield passing game.

Not too far in the future, I'm going to be pulling for Terry to get to another team where he can actually have some success and get the recognition he deserves. I'd hate to see him leave, but he's just that next guy who deserves better than this franchise can give.

 

[dgreen]

And, yes, If Howell can be Heincke with a stronger arm, then we'd be in decent shape while we still try to find a franchise QB.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

And, yes, If Howell can be Heincke with a stronger arm, then we'd be in decent shape while we still try to find a franchise QB.

Hard to project ahead because they could shock us and still be in the playoff picture. But if not I suspect Ron has a faint circle drawn for Howell to play week 15 vs the NYG. Let him roll week 15-17 and see what he has. He likely knows already from Howell's work with the scout team if he's ready. And of course we don't know how that is going. Nor will Ron ever admit it in public.

But frankly he has one QB that is done in DC, one that is likely a career backup that is up for a new contract, and a draft pick that is mostly unknown. They don't even know if they need to re-sign Heinicke until they see Howell in a real game. Though I expect them to pay Taylor good backup money no matter what.

 

[ffmail4me]

And, yes, If Howell can be Heincke with a stronger arm, then we'd be in decent shape while we still try to find a franchise QB.

And that's exactly who I think he can be. He can move in the pocket like Taylor, but has a MUCH stronger arm.

 

[fatness]

William Jackson III is getting released today if they can't trade him. He's currently on a $40 million contract as a 3rd string cornerback (behind St. Juste and Wildgoose. What an expensive bust.

 

[fatness]

Chase Young (remember him?) is to start practicing Wednesday.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

William Jackson III is getting released today if they can't trade him. He's currently on a $40 million contract as a 3rd string cornerback (behind St. Juste and Wildgoose. What an expensive bust.

The combo of this last offseason and Wentz this offseason cost them approximately $39M in 2022. Both are a total debacle in terms of salary cap and player evaluation. The fact that Wildgoose is better than anyone on the roster is scary. Not only does he miss every tackle, he doesn't actually even touch the ballcarrier. Not a finger on them.

Nobody is gonna be perfect in evaluation, but Wentz and Jackson are both huge misses by Ron and his guys. Heck, Fitzpatrick was a miss the year before to the tune of ~$10M so add that on. Amazingly injuries happen to guys in their 40s.

Imagine how good this team could be if they used those $s the right way. At a minimum they could have extended some current players to longer term deals.

 

[nittanylion]

I miss Scherff, Ioannidis and Settle.

 

[ffmail4me]

So what's the trade, us giving a 7th and getting back a 6th?

 

[nittanylion]

How the hell the 'skins got something for Jackson is very surprising to me. Thought it was pretty much common knowledge they were cutting him if they couldn't find a business partner. Guess Steelers didn't want to bid on his services in the open market. Couldn't have gotten much.

Guess he has familiarity w/ Division Rival Bengals, if that has any value.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Ron gonna pitch this as a win for the WAS front office. "Hey we got a 6th and gave up a 7th. Victory" Dead money $9M next year. At least wentz will count for $0.

 

[fatness]

OK, what does this explanation from PFT mean?

The Commanders sent cornerback William Jackson III and a sixth-round draft pick in 2024 to the Steelers for Jackson and a seventh-rounder in 2025.

 

[fatness]

OK, what does this explanation from PFT mean?

The Commanders sent cornerback William Jackson III and a sixth-round draft pick in 2024 to the Steelers for Jackson and a seventh-rounder in 2025.

"You take him."
"No, you take him back."

 

[dgreen]

The last two drives on Sunday started at the 8 and 11 yard lines.

 

[fatness]

The last two drives on Sunday started at the 8 and 11 yard lines.

Yeah, that's kind of gutsy and heroic and fun to watch and cheer for, but how do you go from an early game lead to needing 2 scoring drives in the 4th quarter to win by a point?

Really, those 2 drives sum up the best that this team can be at this time.

 

[Don Quixote]

Snyders hired Bank of America to consider “potential transactions.”

https://twitter.com/nickijhabvala/status/1587822484149018624?s=46&t=Zu9E5hM4nJd-C-yLXv-AdQ

 

[dgreen]

Lol at bofa. I expect Snyder to drop a bofa deez nuts joke.

 

[ChiefD]

I hope for you guys' sake this results in him selling the team. One of the great fan bases in sports getting crapped on by this guy for the last 23 years deserves better.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

As much potential joy this news brings, I’ll hold my enthusiasm until he has completed the sale of a majority of the franchise. Guys like him have a way of not disappearing.

 

[Johnny Utah #9]

I'm guessing this is just him looking to sell a minority stake in the team to raise funds for a stadium that nobody else will build for him, but I desperately hope I'm wrong.

He just doesn't seem like one to go quietly and will have to be dragged out by his tiny feet.

 

[MikeApf]

Please God let it be true.

 

[ffmail4me]

Its literally like we built homes on a graveyard the way we've been cursed the last 23 years. There is no telling what wonderful good luck, good signings, and good coaches may end up in DC once this evil turd is gone from our franchise!!

 

[dgreen]

This is all a ploy to get fans to show up to the game Sunday.

 

[(HULK)]

This is all a ploy to get fans to show up to the game Sunday.

We should actively not do that, anything to drive the cost of the team down so there are more potential buyers. No one wants to pay $6B for this dung heap.

 

[Don Quixote]

I'm guessing this is just him looking to sell a minority stake in the team to raise funds for a stadium that nobody else will build for him, but I desperately hope I'm wrong.

He just doesn't seem like one to go quietly and will have to be dragged out by his tiny feet.

That is possible, but would anyone with that kind of cash want to partner up with Snyder? Someone like Leonsis would probably just laugh at the idea of coming in the picture as Snyder’s minority partner.

 

[dgreen]

I'm guessing this is just him looking to sell a minority stake in the team to raise funds for a stadium that nobody else will build for him, but I desperately hope I'm wrong.

He just doesn't seem like one to go quietly and will have to be dragged out by his tiny feet.

That is possible, but would anyone with that kind of cash want to partner up with Snyder? Someone like Leonsis would probably just laugh at the idea of coming in the picture as Snyder’s minority partner.

Right. Who in the world would want to be a minority owner with Snyder as the majority? It's scary to think what that ownership group would look like.

 

[karl.Racki]

Hopefully someone like Trump buys them so they can be a serious contender again.

I know he has stated he would like to own a pro franchise. But I’m with the posters saying this sale maybe smoke and mirrors.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Welp, now the Feds have opened up an investigation into Washington’s finances.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Hopefully someone like Trump buys them so they can be a serious contender again.

I know he has stated he would like to own a pro franchise. But I’m with the posters saying this sale maybe smoke and mirrors.

I guess you must have forgotten about Trump suing the NFL. There is zero chance they would sell to him.

 

[fatness]

I think there are already 24 owners in the NFL in favor of voting Snyder out, and that he was given the message to either
1) be booted from the league and outspent in all nasty legal proceedings by the other owners while devaluing his team before he sells it, or
2) make the sale of the team his idea, boosting the value of the team because everyone knows that any new owner will be able to negotiate building a new stadium in DC, and the NFL may bury the results of its current investigation of Snyder as well.

Snyder can't outspend the league. Most of his "wealth" isn't liquid. His threats fell on deaf ears. He's out of weapons and everyone dislikes him.

 

[fatness]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/11/02/stadium-effort-may-have-forced-daniel-snyders-hand/

Maybe someone finally persuaded Daniel Snyder that it’s in his own best interests and the best interests of the league for him to sell. Maybe someone in Snyder’s family (his wife and/or his kids) made it clear to him that the only thing better than being rich and famous is being rich.

Here’s one theory, from someone who routinely moves in league circles. A new owner will likely be handed the site of RFK Stadium for the construction of a state-of-the-art facility in D.C. Snyder, on the other hand, has no chance of getting anything done. No public official, from either side of the aisle, will want to deal with him.

There likely will be more than a few suitors. From Jeff Bezos (who didn’t try to buy the Broncos) to Josh Harris (who did, and who would have paid $5 billion for it) to Matt Ishbia (who also did) to various private equity/hedge fund billionaires who aren’t widely known. (Remember, private equity/hedge fund billionaires, the only thing better than being rich and famous is being rich.)

 

[dgreen]

Yeah, one owner has already anonymously said that if Snyder could get a new stadium built then all would be forgiven. But, he can't. I'm not familiar with DC or MD governments having any serious discussion. And VA had a vote earlier this year whether to continue to have conversations and they voted no. Nobody is willing to work with him on a new stadium and the current stadium leaks on fans and has collapsing railing where fans fell several feet and I believe are suing the team. A new owner will get a new stadium and I'd guess even a Super Bowl, which is what Snyder always wanted.

 

[fatness]

Yeah, one owner has already anonymously said that if Snyder could get a new stadium built then all would be forgiven. But, he can't. I'm not familiar with DC or MD governments having any serious discussion. And VA had a vote earlier this year whether to continue to have conversations and they voted no. Nobody is willing to work with him on a new stadium and the current stadium leaks on fans and has collapsing railing where fans fell several feet and I believe are suing the team. A new owner will get a new stadium and I'd guess even a Super Bowl, which is what Snyder always wanted.

Bruce Allen was in charge of stadium negotiations while he was here. He and Snyder shared the same conservative political views, and dealt with the 3 jurisdictions from a position of arrogance, thinking they had DC, MD, and VA bidding against each other. The jusrisdictions, after dealing with them for awhile, didn't see it that way. DC refused to help until the team name was changed so Allen said screw them. I don't know what the team was asking for from MD and VA, but negotiations went slowly with both and never amounted to anything. Snyder and Allen always felt like they were operating from a position of advantage, and consequently never got anywhere.

Then the scandals started hitting, continuing until today, and then Allen was fired, and the "position of advantage" disappeared even in Dan Snyder's mind. And stadium negotiations progressed in no jurisdictions.

Then the 2019 VA elections happened, and VA elected a Republican Governor and I think 1 house of the legislature turned Republican (correct me if I'm wrong, VA folks), and suddenly the team felt it had an advantage in VA stadium negotiations. They proposed a location in (where was it, Woodburn?) VA that had no advantages whatsoever as an NFL stadium, and when the various VA entities looked at it for a bit that idea bit the dust. MD has long ago refused to help Snyder, and now the governorship of MD is changing from Republican to Democrat.

Now the team has no place to build a stadium, except if they build it on the FedEx site and Snyder funds it all which he'll refuse to do out of arrogance and probably can't afford to do. So the one owner you're talking about, @dgreen, who said Snyder would be forgiven if he could get a stadium built, was probably right. But it can't happen due to Dan Snyder's arrogance.

Somewhere waaaay back in this thread (or an earlier one) I said that Snyder would never get all 3 of these things:
New Stadium
Super Bowl
keep the Redskins name

Now he's shed the name to get New Stadium and Super Bowl, but he's done or allowed so many despicable things in the meantime that he's never going to get either of those.

ha ha

 

[fatness]

I first learned of the Redskins when I visited my cousins each year for 2 weeks. We'd play touch football out in a vacant lot between 2 houses and one of their friends would put one of those "portable" 15 inch by 20 inch radios in the window and we'd play touch football. Every time, and I mean every time, the names "Charley Taylor" or "Sonny Jurgensen" were broadcast we stopped playing. Just stopped, even if a ball was in the air. They revered those 2 players, and as the youngest kid there of course I did, too. I idolized my cousins. The Redskins (and now the Commanders) have been my team since then.

@dgreen has been a fan of the team longer than I have on FBG. His frustration at his kids never getting to see the greatness of the team that he saw is palpable.

There are some more of you who've stuck with this team through over 20 years of Dan Snyder Slime.

As one of the long-termers, this is the first time that I think Dan Snyder's on his way out.

There's hope, probably for us, for our kids, for our grandkids. My 19-yo grandson is a diehard fan. In the future I'd like him to see and enjoy the same things I did from this team.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Yeah, one owner has already anonymously said that if Snyder could get a new stadium built then all would be forgiven. But, he can't. I'm not familiar with DC or MD governments having any serious discussion. And VA had a vote earlier this year whether to continue to have conversations and they voted no. Nobody is willing to work with him on a new stadium and the current stadium leaks on fans and has collapsing railing where fans fell several feet and I believe are suing the team. A new owner will get a new stadium and I'd guess even a Super Bowl, which is what Snyder always wanted.

Bruce Allen was in charge of stadium negotiations while he was here. He and Snyder shared the same conservative political views, and dealt with the 3 jurisdictions from a position of arrogance, thinking they had DC, MD, and VA bidding against each other. The jusrisdictions, after dealing with them for awhile, didn't see it that way. DC refused to help until the team name was changed so Allen said screw them. I don't know what the team was asking for from MD and VA, but negotiations went slowly with both and never amounted to anything. Snyder and Allen always felt like they were operating from a position of advantage, and consequently never got anywhere.

Then the scandals started hitting, continuing until today, and then Allen was fired, and the "position of advantage" disappeared even in Dan Snyder's mind. And stadium negotiations progressed in no jurisdictions.

Then the 2019 VA elections happened, and VA elected a Republican Governor and I think 1 house of the legislature turned Republican (correct me if I'm wrong, VA folks), and suddenly the team felt it had an advantage in VA stadium negotiations. They proposed a location in (where was it, Woodburn?) VA that had no advantages whatsoever as an NFL stadium, and when the various VA entities looked at it for a bit that idea bit the dust. MD has long ago refused to help Snyder, and now the governorship of MD is changing from Republican to Democrat.

Now the team has no place to build a stadium, except if they build it on the FedEx site and Snyder funds it all which he'll refuse to do out of arrogance and probably can't afford to do. So the one owner you're talking about, @dgreen, who said Snyder would be forgiven if he could get a stadium built, was probably right. But it can't happen due to Dan Snyder's arrogance.

Somewhere waaaay back in this thread (or an earlier one) I said that Snyder would never get all 3 of these things:
New Stadium
Super Bowl
keep the Redskins name

Now he's shed the name to get New Stadium and Super Bowl, but he's done or allowed so many despicable things in the meantime that he's never going to get either of those.

ha ha

The Virginia State legislature (or at least individuals on both Rep and Dem sides) have said a stadium deal is unlikely no matter who the team owner is. They don't think it's a good use of taxpayer money. Part of that is VA as a whole loves protecting the interests of Richmond as a counterbalance to the wealth of NOVA. I think DC and MD will have a similar stance. Building a $1B stadium so an already rich person can profit from it isn't gonna happen. Whoever the owner is, they are gonna need the bank account to build this themselves.

 

[MikeApf]

I first learned of the Redskins when I visited my cousins each year for 2 weeks. We'd play touch football out in a vacant lot between 2 houses and one of their friends would put one of those "portable" 15 inch by 20 inch radios in the window and we'd play touch football. Every time, and I mean every time, the names "Charley Taylor" or "Sonny Jurgensen" were broadcast we stopped playing. Just stopped, even if a ball was in the air. They revered those 2 players, and as the youngest kid there of course I did, too. I idolized my cousins. The Redskins (and now the Commanders) have been my team since then.

@dgreen has been a fan of the team longer than I have on FBG. His frustration at his kids never getting to see the greatness of the team that he saw is palpable.

There are some more of you who've stuck with this team through over 20 years of Dan Snyder Slime.

As one of the long-termers, this is the first time that I think Dan Snyder's on his way out.

There's hope, probably for us, for our kids, for our grandkids. My 19-yo grandson is a diehard fan. In the future I'd like him to see and enjoy the same things I did from this team.

Yes! Like some of you, I am a also long term fan. So long term, when I was quite small, I remember George Allen's Redskins and going to games at RFK. I remember the Jack Pardee years before Gibbs took over (three runs and a cloud of dust). For people I grew up watching football with, the possibility of ditching Snyder would be a dream come true. But i also have always felt really lucky. We did get a chance to see the Redskins win championships. Some of us had a chance to sit in RFK when the whole stadium was rocking and when we were considered the most devoted fan base in the NFL. Not only do I want that back for us old timers, I want the younger generations around here to experience what this town can be like if the football team is rocking...

 

[MikeApf]

Yeah, one owner has already anonymously said that if Snyder could get a new stadium built then all would be forgiven. But, he can't. I'm not familiar with DC or MD governments having any serious discussion. And VA had a vote earlier this year whether to continue to have conversations and they voted no. Nobody is willing to work with him on a new stadium and the current stadium leaks on fans and has collapsing railing where fans fell several feet and I believe are suing the team. A new owner will get a new stadium and I'd guess even a Super Bowl, which is what Snyder always wanted.

Bruce Allen was in charge of stadium negotiations while he was here. He and Snyder shared the same conservative political views, and dealt with the 3 jurisdictions from a position of arrogance, thinking they had DC, MD, and VA bidding against each other. The jusrisdictions, after dealing with them for awhile, didn't see it that way. DC refused to help until the team name was changed so Allen said screw them. I don't know what the team was asking for from MD and VA, but negotiations went slowly with both and never amounted to anything. Snyder and Allen always felt like they were operating from a position of advantage, and consequently never got anywhere.

Then the scandals started hitting, continuing until today, and then Allen was fired, and the "position of advantage" disappeared even in Dan Snyder's mind. And stadium negotiations progressed in no jurisdictions.

Then the 2019 VA elections happened, and VA elected a Republican Governor and I think 1 house of the legislature turned Republican (correct me if I'm wrong, VA folks), and suddenly the team felt it had an advantage in VA stadium negotiations. They proposed a location in (where was it, Woodburn?) VA that had no advantages whatsoever as an NFL stadium, and when the various VA entities looked at it for a bit that idea bit the dust. MD has long ago refused to help Snyder, and now the governorship of MD is changing from Republican to Democrat.

Now the team has no place to build a stadium, except if they build it on the FedEx site and Snyder funds it all which he'll refuse to do out of arrogance and probably can't afford to do. So the one owner you're talking about, @dgreen, who said Snyder would be forgiven if he could get a stadium built, was probably right. But it can't happen due to Dan Snyder's arrogance.

Somewhere waaaay back in this thread (or an earlier one) I said that Snyder would never get all 3 of these things:
New Stadium
Super Bowl
keep the Redskins name

Now he's shed the name to get New Stadium and Super Bowl, but he's done or allowed so many despicable things in the meantime that he's never going to get either of those.

ha ha

The Virginia State legislature (or at least individuals on both Rep and Dem sides) have said a stadium deal is unlikely no matter who the team owner is. They don't think it's a good use of taxpayer money. Part of that is VA as a whole loves protecting the interests of Richmond as a counterbalance to the wealth of NOVA. I think DC and MD will have a similar stance. Building a $1B stadium so an already rich person can profit from it isn't gonna happen. Whoever the owner is, they are gonna need the bank account to build this themselves.

Something tells me if Snyder is out of the picture, D.C. is gonna become a reality. It may have to be self funded, but would definitely be the best outcome for the entire area...

 

[fatness]

Yeah, one owner has already anonymously said that if Snyder could get a new stadium built then all would be forgiven. But, he can't. I'm not familiar with DC or MD governments having any serious discussion. And VA had a vote earlier this year whether to continue to have conversations and they voted no. Nobody is willing to work with him on a new stadium and the current stadium leaks on fans and has collapsing railing where fans fell several feet and I believe are suing the team. A new owner will get a new stadium and I'd guess even a Super Bowl, which is what Snyder always wanted.

Bruce Allen was in charge of stadium negotiations while he was here. He and Snyder shared the same conservative political views, and dealt with the 3 jurisdictions from a position of arrogance, thinking they had DC, MD, and VA bidding against each other. The jusrisdictions, after dealing with them for awhile, didn't see it that way. DC refused to help until the team name was changed so Allen said screw them. I don't know what the team was asking for from MD and VA, but negotiations went slowly with both and never amounted to anything. Snyder and Allen always felt like they were operating from a position of advantage, and consequently never got anywhere.

Then the scandals started hitting, continuing until today, and then Allen was fired, and the "position of advantage" disappeared even in Dan Snyder's mind. And stadium negotiations progressed in no jurisdictions.

Then the 2019 VA elections happened, and VA elected a Republican Governor and I think 1 house of the legislature turned Republican (correct me if I'm wrong, VA folks), and suddenly the team felt it had an advantage in VA stadium negotiations. They proposed a location in (where was it, Woodburn?) VA that had no advantages whatsoever as an NFL stadium, and when the various VA entities looked at it for a bit that idea bit the dust. MD has long ago refused to help Snyder, and now the governorship of MD is changing from Republican to Democrat.

Now the team has no place to build a stadium, except if they build it on the FedEx site and Snyder funds it all which he'll refuse to do out of arrogance and probably can't afford to do. So the one owner you're talking about, @dgreen, who said Snyder would be forgiven if he could get a stadium built, was probably right. But it can't happen due to Dan Snyder's arrogance.

Somewhere waaaay back in this thread (or an earlier one) I said that Snyder would never get all 3 of these things:
New Stadium
Super Bowl
keep the Redskins name

Now he's shed the name to get New Stadium and Super Bowl, but he's done or allowed so many despicable things in the meantime that he's never going to get either of those.

ha ha

The Virginia State legislature (or at least individuals on both Rep and Dem sides) have said a stadium deal is unlikely no matter who the team owner is. They don't think it's a good use of taxpayer money. Part of that is VA as a whole loves protecting the interests of Richmond as a counterbalance to the wealth of NOVA. I think DC and MD will have a similar stance. Building a $1B stadium so an already rich person can profit from it isn't gonna happen. Whoever the owner is, they are gonna need the bank account to build this themselves.

Something tells me if Snyder is out of the picture, D.C. is gonna become a reality. It may have to be self funded, but would definitely be the best outcome for the entire area...

I think the NFL may pitch in somehow to facilitate the new owner building a stadium. They really want Snyder gone.

 

[fatness]

Chase Young is practicing.

 

[dgreen]

I first learned of the Redskins when I visited my cousins each year for 2 weeks. We'd play touch football out in a vacant lot between 2 houses and one of their friends would put one of those "portable" 15 inch by 20 inch radios in the window and we'd play touch football. Every time, and I mean every time, the names "Charley Taylor" or "Sonny Jurgensen" were broadcast we stopped playing. Just stopped, even if a ball was in the air. They revered those 2 players, and as the youngest kid there of course I did, too. I idolized my cousins. The Redskins (and now the Commanders) have been my team since then.

@dgreen has been a fan of the team longer than I have on FBG. His frustration at his kids never getting to see the greatness of the team that he saw is palpable.

There are some more of you who've stuck with this team through over 20 years of Dan Snyder Slime.

As one of the long-termers, this is the first time that I think Dan Snyder's on his way out.

There's hope, probably for us, for our kids, for our grandkids. My 19-yo grandson is a diehard fan. In the future I'd like him to see and enjoy the same things I did from this team.

Yes! Like some of you, I am a also long term fan. So long term, when I was quite small, I remember George Allen's Redskins and going to games at RFK. I remember the Jack Pardee years before Gibbs took over (three runs and a cloud of dust). For people I grew up watching football with, the possibility of ditching Snyder would be a dream come true. But i also have always felt really lucky. We did get a chance to see the Redskins win championships. Some of us had a chance to sit in RFK when the whole stadium was rocking and when we were considered the most devoted fan base in the NFL. Not only do I want that back for us old timers, I want the younger generations around here to experience what this town can be like if the football team is rocking...

I was 7 when the Redskins played the Dolphins in SB XVII. My dad's a Dolphins fan and my mom was Redskins, so I didn't know who to root for. But, as the game unfolded, I just naturally gravitated towards the Redskins. That's the team I found myself caring about. When Riggins scored, that sealed the deal for me.

 

[dgreen]

Yeah, one owner has already anonymously said that if Snyder could get a new stadium built then all would be forgiven. But, he can't. I'm not familiar with DC or MD governments having any serious discussion. And VA had a vote earlier this year whether to continue to have conversations and they voted no. Nobody is willing to work with him on a new stadium and the current stadium leaks on fans and has collapsing railing where fans fell several feet and I believe are suing the team. A new owner will get a new stadium and I'd guess even a Super Bowl, which is what Snyder always wanted.

Bruce Allen was in charge of stadium negotiations while he was here. He and Snyder shared the same conservative political views, and dealt with the 3 jurisdictions from a position of arrogance, thinking they had DC, MD, and VA bidding against each other. The jusrisdictions, after dealing with them for awhile, didn't see it that way. DC refused to help until the team name was changed so Allen said screw them. I don't know what the team was asking for from MD and VA, but negotiations went slowly with both and never amounted to anything. Snyder and Allen always felt like they were operating from a position of advantage, and consequently never got anywhere.

Then the scandals started hitting, continuing until today, and then Allen was fired, and the "position of advantage" disappeared even in Dan Snyder's mind. And stadium negotiations progressed in no jurisdictions.

Then the 2019 VA elections happened, and VA elected a Republican Governor and I think 1 house of the legislature turned Republican (correct me if I'm wrong, VA folks), and suddenly the team felt it had an advantage in VA stadium negotiations. They proposed a location in (where was it, Woodburn?) VA that had no advantages whatsoever as an NFL stadium, and when the various VA entities looked at it for a bit that idea bit the dust. MD has long ago refused to help Snyder, and now the governorship of MD is changing from Republican to Democrat.

Now the team has no place to build a stadium, except if they build it on the FedEx site and Snyder funds it all which he'll refuse to do out of arrogance and probably can't afford to do. So the one owner you're talking about, @dgreen, who said Snyder would be forgiven if he could get a stadium built, was probably right. But it can't happen due to Dan Snyder's arrogance.

Somewhere waaaay back in this thread (or an earlier one) I said that Snyder would never get all 3 of these things:
New Stadium
Super Bowl
keep the Redskins name

Now he's shed the name to get New Stadium and Super Bowl, but he's done or allowed so many despicable things in the meantime that he's never going to get either of those.

ha ha

The Virginia State legislature (or at least individuals on both Rep and Dem sides) have said a stadium deal is unlikely no matter who the team owner is. They don't think it's a good use of taxpayer money. Part of that is VA as a whole loves protecting the interests of Richmond as a counterbalance to the wealth of NOVA. I think DC and MD will have a similar stance. Building a $1B stadium so an already rich person can profit from it isn't gonna happen. Whoever the owner is, they are gonna need the bank account to build this themselves.

Something tells me if Snyder is out of the picture, D.C. is gonna become a reality. It may have to be self funded, but would definitely be the best outcome for the entire area...

I think the NFL may pitch in somehow to facilitate the new owner building a stadium. They really want Snyder gone.

Yes, I think the league always kicks in something for new stadiums. Plus, they own about 200 acres of land right inside the beltway. In a good economy, developers would pay top dollar for that and that could help fund something.

 

[ChiefD]

Welp, now the Feds have opened up an investigation into Washington’s finances.

You would think this is the final nail. They ain't opening an investigation unless they feel pretty confident about it.

On a side note: I will fight anyone that says Joe Gibbs isn't the greatest coach in history. 3 Super Bowl wins with 3 different starting quarterbacks says all I need to know. And THEN he goes to NASCAR and wins 5 Cup Series championships AND 4 Daytona 500 victories.

Eat THAT Belichick.

 

[dgreen]

Welp, now the Feds have opened up an investigation into Washington’s finances.

You would think this is the final nail. They ain't opening an investigation unless they feel pretty confident about it.

On a side note: I will fight anyone that says Joe Gibbs isn't the greatest coach in history. 3 Super Bowl wins with 3 different starting quarterbacks says all I need to know. And THEN he goes to NASCAR and wins 5 Cup Series championships AND 4 Daytona 500 victories.

Eat THAT Belichick.

And he made the playoffs TWICE under Snyder!

 

[ffmail4me]

Welp, now the Feds have opened up an investigation into Washington’s finances.

You would think this is the final nail. They ain't opening an investigation unless they feel pretty confident about it.

On a side note: I will fight anyone that says Joe Gibbs isn't the greatest coach in history. 3 Super Bowl wins with 3 different starting quarterbacks says all I need to know. And THEN he goes to NASCAR and wins 5 Cup Series championships AND 4 Daytona 500 victories.

Eat THAT Belichick.

And had 3 different starting running backs, and other than Monk, different WRs too. Its amazing what Gibbs did, and he's definitely the GOAT of coaching in the NFL IMO.

 

[beef]

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