***OFFICIAL*** Washington Commanders Thread (1 Viewer)

[MikeApf]

Denver Broncos	Rob Walton	$4,650,000,000​	2022
Carolina Panthers	David Tepper	$2,275,000,000​	2018
Buffalo Bills	Kim & Terry Pegula	$1,400,000,000​	2014
Cleveland Browns	Jimmy & Dee Haslam	$1,050,000,000​	2012
Jacksonville Jaguars	Shahid Khan	$760,000,000​	2012
Las Vegas Raiders	Carol & Mark Davis (mother & son)[c][a]	—​	2011

Here are the last 6 owner changes (since 2010). One was inherited. Only the Bills have a decent team. The others are as bad or even worse than WAS. And Tepper and Khan have wads of money. >$10B. Just sayin ... don't expect fast changes on the field just from an ownership change.

"The others are as bad or even worse than WAS"

We need the new ownership group to be good in the right way.

Hire the right people. Set the correct expectations. Establish a positive corporate culture. Support your people. Hold them accountable in a productive and fair manner. Basic management.

The new ownership group will not be perfect but those are the things I would want to look for. In terms of the others being as bad or worse than Washington. I dunno man. There are other bad owners out there. But I do believe Dan may be the worse current owner of any sports franchise and maybe one of the worst in history. There is no where to go but up...

 

[dgreen]

All right all right all right.

I saw a headline that Kevin Durant has expressed interest in joining a group. And RG3 tweeted that he's raised some money. All the stars are coming out!

Shrewed move by Bezos allowing some celebs in, particularly guys who are pals with Snyder. Something to counter the hate he has for the post. Apparently Peter King said he would NEVER ALL CAPS sell to Bezos; Peter may be full of it but you never know so might as well get in front of it. Also, having some diversity front and center will also make it very difficult for Snyder to pass on the Bezos offer as long as it's the highest bid.

Depending on what's going on behind the scenes with the other owners, Snyder may not have a say in who the buyer is. I think he sells to whoever the other owners tell him to sell to.

Remember, Snyder also said he'd never change the name and never sell. So, my money is he'll say he'll never sell to Bezos and then it will be Bezos.

 

[MikeApf]

All right all right all right.

I saw a headline that Kevin Durant has expressed interest in joining a group. And RG3 tweeted that he's raised some money. All the stars are coming out!

Shrewed move by Bezos allowing some celebs in, particularly guys who are pals with Snyder. Something to counter the hate he has for the post. Apparently Peter King said he would NEVER ALL CAPS sell to Bezos; Peter may be full of it but you never know so might as well get in front of it. Also, having some diversity front and center will also make it very difficult for Snyder to pass on the Bezos offer as long as it's the highest bid.

Depending on what's going on behind the scenes with the other owners, Snyder may not have a say in who the buyer is. I think he sells to whoever the other owners tell him to sell to.

Remember, Snyder also said he'd never change the name and never sell. So, my money is he'll say he'll never sell to Bezos and then it will be Bezos.

LOL true. Plus Bezos can outbid everyone. Snyder will take the most money. Yacht's aren't cheap.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Apparently DC AG to make major announcement regarding Commanders tomorrow.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Denver Broncos	Rob Walton	$4,650,000,000​	2022
Carolina Panthers	David Tepper	$2,275,000,000​	2018
Buffalo Bills	Kim & Terry Pegula	$1,400,000,000​	2014
Cleveland Browns	Jimmy & Dee Haslam	$1,050,000,000​	2012
Jacksonville Jaguars	Shahid Khan	$760,000,000​	2012
Las Vegas Raiders	Carol & Mark Davis (mother & son)[c][a]	—​	2011

Here are the last 6 owner changes (since 2010). One was inherited. Only the Bills have a decent team. The others are as bad or even worse than WAS. And Tepper and Khan have wads of money. >$10B. Just sayin ... don't expect fast changes on the field just from an ownership change.

"The others are as bad or even worse than WAS"

We need the new ownership group to be good in the right way.

Hire the right people. Set the correct expectations. Establish a positive corporate culture. Support your people. Hold them accountable in a productive and fair manner. Basic management.

The new ownership group will not be perfect but those are the things I would want to look for. In terms of the others being as bad or worse than Washington. I dunno man. There are other bad owners out there. But I do believe Dan may be the worse current owner of any sports franchise and maybe one of the worst in history. There is no where to go but up...

I should have been more specific. I meant the team's records and win/loss records were "as bad or worse than WAS". I have no opinion of those other owners, but they seem fine.

 

[MikeApf]

Denver Broncos	Rob Walton	$4,650,000,000​	2022
Carolina Panthers	David Tepper	$2,275,000,000​	2018
Buffalo Bills	Kim & Terry Pegula	$1,400,000,000​	2014
Cleveland Browns	Jimmy & Dee Haslam	$1,050,000,000​	2012
Jacksonville Jaguars	Shahid Khan	$760,000,000​	2012
Las Vegas Raiders	Carol & Mark Davis (mother & son)[c][a]	—​	2011

Here are the last 6 owner changes (since 2010). One was inherited. Only the Bills have a decent team. The others are as bad or even worse than WAS. And Tepper and Khan have wads of money. >$10B. Just sayin ... don't expect fast changes on the field just from an ownership change.

"The others are as bad or even worse than WAS"

We need the new ownership group to be good in the right way.

Hire the right people. Set the correct expectations. Establish a positive corporate culture. Support your people. Hold them accountable in a productive and fair manner. Basic management.

The new ownership group will not be perfect but those are the things I would want to look for. In terms of the others being as bad or worse than Washington. I dunno man. There are other bad owners out there. But I do believe Dan may be the worse current owner of any sports franchise and maybe one of the worst in history. There is no where to go but up...

I should have been more specific. I meant the team's records and win/loss records were "as bad or worse than WAS". I have no opinion of those other owners, but they seem fine.

Ah gotcha! And your point remains valid. It's not a lock that the team gets better W-L wise with a new owner. We'll have to wait and see...

 

[ffmail4me]

There is no way the team will be worse off with a new owner. Just not possible. Plus, there is still a lot of talent on this team, we just need a franchise QB (unless Howell is).

 

[BeTheMatch]

New low for the Commanders

 

[BeTheMatch]

New low for the Commanders

Agent responds

 

[matttyl]

It’s so hard to be a fan of this team.

 

[massraider]

New low for the Commanders

Agent responds

This is an amazing self own. You don't even have your bland press statements sorted out?

 

[fatness]

New low for the Commanders

Yeah, that really was a low thing to do. Brian Robinson had nothing to do with all the **** Snyder's done over the years. Trying to hide behind him is pitiful.

Dan Snyder's the worst person in the NFL.

 

[dgreen]

Dan Snyder's the worst person in the NFL.

And clearly employs people who are a lot like him.

The statement makes me wonder if tomorrow's going to be something huge.

 

[fatness]

The Commanders' statement is written like a political attack ad. What an incredible display of thin skin, arrogance, using an employee as a prop, terrible timing, and a terrible sense of reading the room.

Full text:

“Less than three months ago, a 23-year-old player on our team was shot multiple times, in broad daylight. Despite the out-of-control violent crime in D.C., today the Washington Commanders learned for the first time on Twitter that the D.C. Attorney General will be holding a press conference to ‘make a major announcement related to the organization tomorrow [Thursday].”

“The Commanders have fully cooperated with the AG’s investigation for nearly a year. As recently as Monday, a lawyer for the team met with the AG who did not suggest at that time that he intended to take any action and, in fact, revealed fundamental misunderstandings of the underlying facts.

“It is unfortunate that, in his final days in office, Mr. Racine appears more interested in making splashy headlines, based on offbeat legal theories, rather than doing the hard work of making the streets safe for our citizens, including bringing to justice the people who shot one of our players.”

 

[fatness]

The statement makes me wonder if tomorrow's going to be something huge.

Racine's leaving office soon and he has to wrap up his investigation and it may just be something ticky tack.

But we can hope. Something involving handcuffs and not involving Tanya Snyder would be nice. A guy can dream.

 

[MikeApf]

Disgusted. Snyder cant sell fast enough.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

New low for the Commanders

Is the issue that they threw Brian Robinson's name into the mix or used him a s shield to try and hit back at the Attorney General?
I'm not sure i understand it and would like to. Is this a new low after the sexual improprieties with the cheerleaders and all the other crap?

 

[matttyl]

New low for the Commanders

Is the issue that they threw Brian Robinson's name into the mix or used him a s shield to try and hit back at the Attorney General?
I'm not sure i understand it and would like to. Is this a new low after the sexual improprieties with the cheerleaders and all the other crap?

One has nothing to do with the other. That’s the disgusting thing.

I work as an insurance agent in real life. If my employer was committing insurance fraud and was being looked into for that, and they then come out and say what about our employee who was involved in a hit and run and the other guy was never found I’d be like WTF?! Don’t bring me into your BS. If I was Robinson I’d be super pissed and would strongly consider not playing this weekend.

 

[fatness]

Picking the most sympathetic player on your team to hide behind when you, the owner, think you're about to be accused of something is just pitiful.

 

[MikeApf]

Related comments from JP Finlay on twitter:

"Throughout Dan Snyder drama Commanders players have done a good job of trying to block it out, but Ive heard it's different now. Players are mad lawyers tried to use Brian Robinson, a rookie, in their rebuttal about business issues. Might not say it publicly but guys are pissed."

I think Snyder just crossed a line with the PLAYERS in a way that he's never quite done before.

 

[MikeApf]

Also: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...resh-start-for-franchise-and-fans/ar-AA13Yg2u

"Since I arrived here, it's been a dark cloud over our organization," St-Juste said in an interview with Le Journal De Quebec. "Every time there is something good happening on the pitch, something bad is happening off it. It would give us great energy to have a fresh start and regain the confidence of the fans."

I have never heard an ACTIVE Washington player ever publicly criticize Snyder before. No, Snyder is not named, but who else could he be talking about.

Snyder is so thin skinned and petty, he probably wants Rivera to cut St. Juste immediately.

 

[MikeApf]

New low for the Commanders

Is the issue that they threw Brian Robinson's name into the mix or used him a s shield to try and hit back at the Attorney General?
I'm not sure i understand it and would like to. Is this a new low after the sexual improprieties with the cheerleaders and all the other crap?

Yeah, I mean they basically exploited BR's tragedy to shield Snyder in the wake of his unethical/criminal behavior over the last several decades. I think there is something about exploiting another person's pain for your own selfish needs that is particularly disgusting. This also brings it home to the players in a new way, because it's one of their own...

 

[nittanylion]

This PC is juicy. I dont think an AG brings it like this unless they've got their hands on a bone that has meat on it.

 

[BeTheMatch]

This PC is juicy. I dont think an AG brings it like this unless they've got their hands on a bone that has meat on it.

Unable to watch. What are they saying?

 

[MikeApf]

MSN

"The office of D.C. Attorney General Karl A. Racine (D) said Thursday it is filing a consumer protection lawsuit against the Washington Commanders, Daniel Snyder, the NFL and Commissioner Roger Goodell, accusing them of colluding to deceive and mislead customers about an investigation of the team’s workplace to maintain the franchise’s fan base in pursuit of revenue."

Question for the lawyers in attendance: if Snyder leaves, does the team basically have to pay any penalties? Doesn't seem fair on the face of it. Help me out attorneys!

 

[dgreen]

New low for the Commanders

Is the issue that they threw Brian Robinson's name into the mix or used him a s shield to try and hit back at the Attorney General?
I'm not sure i understand it and would like to. Is this a new low after the sexual improprieties with the cheerleaders and all the other crap?

Yeah, I mean they basically exploited BR's tragedy to shield Snyder in the wake of his unethical/criminal behavior over the last several decades. I think there is something about exploiting another person's pain for your own selfish needs that is particularly disgusting. This also brings it home to the players in a new way, because it's one of their own...

Yeah, it's bad enough that it comes off as trying to deflect, or as you say shield, Snyder's sins, but it's clearly not even a potentially successful strategy. I mean, do they really think that fans and the rest of the community is going to repeat their lame argument all over social media and the AG is going to back down? They used a player's horrific personal event as a distraction that simply won't work as a distraction. And they know it won't work.

 

[dgreen]

MSN

"The office of D.C. Attorney General Karl A. Racine (D) said Thursday it is filing a consumer protection lawsuit against the Washington Commanders, Daniel Snyder, the NFL and Commissioner Roger Goodell, accusing them of colluding to deceive and mislead customers about an investigation of the team’s workplace to maintain the franchise’s fan base in pursuit of revenue."

Question for the lawyers in attendance: if Snyder leaves, does the team basically have to pay any penalties? Doesn't seem fair on the face of it. Help me out attorneys!

Nice, including Goodell. Am I right that the owners like Goodell? They see him as an effective commissioner who makes them richer? Potentially harming Goodell, and thus the NFL, might even speed this whole team-selling process up even more. Unless Goodell being named in lawsuits is a common thing that the league just brushes off their shoulder every year.

 

[MikeApf]

MSN

"The office of D.C. Attorney General Karl A. Racine (D) said Thursday it is filing a consumer protection lawsuit against the Washington Commanders, Daniel Snyder, the NFL and Commissioner Roger Goodell, accusing them of colluding to deceive and mislead customers about an investigation of the team’s workplace to maintain the franchise’s fan base in pursuit of revenue."

Question for the lawyers in attendance: if Snyder leaves, does the team basically have to pay any penalties? Doesn't seem fair on the face of it. Help me out attorneys!

Nice, including Goodell. Am I right that the owners like Goodell? They see him as an effective commissioner who makes them richer? Potentially harming Goodell, and thus the NFL, might even speed this whole team-selling process up even more. Unless Goodell being named in lawsuits is a common thing that the league just brushes off their shoulder every year.

I also wonder if the NFL just basically settles this thing without a trial. I can't imagine the $$ penalties being worse than the PR hit that would occur as a result of Goddell being up on the stand for the world to see. It's time for Goddell to throw Snyder under the bus. Release the report, all the findings, do a mea culpa, and pay the money.

And if the Commanders are on the hook for any of that money, that needs to be deducted from the sale price so that the new owner doesn't pay. If I'm buying your house and see it needs a new roof, well then I'm taking that under consideration!

 

[TripleThreat]

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1590764334594281473?s=61&t=1VKtAMieqM9ESf-qjghQgg

answers some of that in his presser.

loved the yacht bit.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

New low for the Commanders

Is the issue that they threw Brian Robinson's name into the mix or used him a s shield to try and hit back at the Attorney General?
I'm not sure i understand it and would like to. Is this a new low after the sexual improprieties with the cheerleaders and all the other crap?

Yeah, I mean they basically exploited BR's tragedy to shield Snyder in the wake of his unethical/criminal behavior over the last several decades. I think there is something about exploiting another person's pain for your own selfish needs that is particularly disgusting. This also brings it home to the players in a new way, because it's one of their own...

Yeah, it's bad enough that it comes off as trying to deflect, or as you say shield, Snyder's sins, but it's clearly not even a potentially successful strategy. I mean, do they really think that fans and the rest of the community is going to repeat their lame argument all over social media and the AG is going to back down? They used a player's horrific personal event as a distraction that simply won't work as a distraction. And they know it won't work.

i got the anger and outrage right away but to the casual fan or person, it reads like Washington is sticking up for Robinson, of course that's not true. It reminds me of something King Henry the VIII would have issued to the masses.
I wanted someone to write it out in black and white, the lawyer just says outrage but again many regular folks can't see exactly what the outrage is.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Quote from St. Juste on Dan Snyder “Since I arrived here, it’s been a dark cloud over our organization. Every time there is something good happening on the pitch, something bad is happening off it. It would give us great energy to have a fresh start & regain the confidence of the fans”

Damn, players calling out Danny S. Can you imagine if the WAS players all boycotted a game

 

[fatness]

If there's retaliation by Snyder against any of the players for speaking out, I don't think FedEx will be a safe place to be.

 

[fatness]

Jason Wright's the first in the front office saying none of this had anything to do with Robinson and he should not have been mentioned.

The Commanders responded with a statement from Wright in which he said the team’s attorneys had “legitimate frustrations” with Racine that “should have been separate and apart from referencing” the shooting.

 

[nittanylion]

If someone would be so kind as to post Alex Smith's recent interview, his comments are the 1st from, IMHO, a 'Player of consequence', discussing the flawed culture surrounding the Team.

 

[davidwb]

Wow -- what a great game by Washington tonight. Perhaps some tough calls against that Iggles, but still, the team played really well!

 

[dgreen]

Need to change thread title ...

*** Official Washington Commanders Thread of Apathy​

Interestingly, I was more bummed after yesterday’s loss than I have been about a game in a long time.

And, despite being kind of an ugly and lucky win, this one feels great!

 

[davidwb]

It's always nice to win, but victories against Philly, Dallas, and NY are especially sweet!

 

[Amused to Death]

Great win for Washington. Congrats!

 

[MikeApf]

After everything that has happened, this team is legit in the payoff race. Early in the season we wanted Del Rio fired but the defense has righted the ship.

Rivera you better not play Wentz next week. I am terrified that he's gonna do it.

 

[fatness]

Now I wish I hadn't avoided watching most of this game. I thought they'd get stomped.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...commanders-knock-off-undefeated-eagles-32-21/

Washington had 81 plays, 330 yards and won time of possession 40:24 to 19:36. It had 49 running plays for 152 yards and two touchdowns. The Eagles had 47 plays and 263 yards.

 

[MikeApf]

Now I wish I hadn't avoided watching most of this game. I thought they'd get stomped.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...commanders-knock-off-undefeated-eagles-32-21/

Washington had 81 plays, 330 yards and won time of possession 40:24 to 19:36. It had 49 running plays for 152 yards and two touchdowns. The Eagles had 47 plays and 263 yards.

Everybody did. That's what makes it so amazing!

Interesting the formula for winning right now is the same as it was during win streak last year -- heavy reliance on run, timely plays by QB, stout defense. (With we would have had BR the first 4 games.) Arguably Heinicke fits this scheme better than Wentz. Does Rivera ride the hot hand?

 

[nittanylion]

Re: 'Does Rivera ride the hot hand?'

Most of the analysts being interviewed this AM, that I've been listening to, both local and national, think 'yes'.

 

[nittanylion]

While the game had it's warts, I'm going to go ahead and say that much of the offense being run last night was some of the most enjoyable offense I've watched in the past few decades.

As a product of the 'Glory Years', that's the formula I want to see every game. Power running game using lots of pre-snap motion, that doesn't get abandoned even when it seems to be struggling, tough D, hunt for the home-run YOLO shots that the dedication to the run game gives you, and take them when they present themselves.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

I don't think you ever pull the hot hand, even if what he is doing is mediocre at best. The team is winning more than losing, so I think he has to stay with Taylor. His escapability makes the OL better. Some of that is the OL has played together more in its current form since all the injuries happened early in the year. But Wentz could not extend a lot of those plays like Taylor can IMO.

If Heinicke comes up short next week or the week after, Wentz might be back on the field. Hopefully with the same playbook Heinicke is using, because these end arounds and power runs really loosen up the defense which would be great for Wentz downfield.

Frankly I don't love either of them, but gotta ride the hot hand.

On a side note, I think all these 50/50 balls both of them put up ... Taylor's have a better chance of being caught (by either team). There is no power to them. It's like catching a punt.. Apparently Wentz and Howell's 25 yard passes in warmups arrive a good 5 yards earlier than Heinicke's when thrown at the same time. It's amazing he continues to succeed.

 

[dgreen]

Yeah, Heinicke hasn't played well recently, but the team rallies around him more than Wentz to overcome short-comings. And, Rivera's greatest strength as a coach is probably that the guys respect him and are willing to follow him. If he goes back to Wentz now, that might chip away at the loyalty the locker room has for him.

 

[(HULK)]

I just can't believe we got through a primetime national game with a dominate win. 99 times out of a 100 we're an embarrassment when we're the only game on.

 

[fatness]

Rivera in the locker room after the game, almost unable to speak, saying his (recently deceased) mom would be proud. Then McLaurin taking over.

 

[MikeApf]

Yeah, Heinicke hasn't played well recently, but the team rallies around him more than Wentz to overcome short-comings. And, Rivera's greatest strength as a coach is probably that the guys respect him and are willing to follow him. If he goes back to Wentz now, that might chip away at the loyalty the locker room has for him.

Yes. I'll go further. Not only would going to Wentz chip away at the loyalty to Ron...I believe Rivera would actually lose the respect of the locker room in a significant way. He would we be telling the team that basically they don't matter...

From what I've seen, the only ones who even remotely think we should start Wentz are:

1. Anyone brining him to DC who don't want to admit they were wrong (coaches and maybe the owner)
2. Indy fans wanting a # 2 pick
3. Fans of other NFC East teams
4. People who don't seem to understand that real football is played by human beings. I'm talking about the whole "Carson has a stronger arm" crowd...who essentially just look at measurables like we are playing Madden and not human football which takes in so many intangiables. I get that argument before the season, and I was willing to give Wentz a shot, but come on, that strong arm doesn't buy us ANYTHING. Arguably our best offensive weapon Terry McLaurin is a forgotten man when Wentz is in but a start when Heinicke is in, but "Carson has a stronger arm", so that's OK I guess? And if, has been reported, the team is behind Heinicke and wants him to remain...that's telling.

While it annoys and worries me that Ron hasn't named the starter, he did recently say that you have to take into account "momentum and team mood" when naming the starter. That could be interpreted to mean that Heinicke is gonna be the guy, at least for the Houston game.

WE'll see. It seems like an obvious decision to me but with this team you never know...

 

[DallasDMac]

I think Rivera would be declared clinically brain dead if he went back to Wentz right now. I mean, beating Philly was just so totally unanticipated except by a few early commenters I saw in the game thread, so props to those guys. Unfortunately I had to log in to work so didn't even see it (had I watched, they definitely would have lost, so you're welcome). But I was stunned when I saw the score the next morning. For him to go back to Wentz after what Heinicke has done, I think he'd be absolutely roasted by the media. And deservedly so.

 

[fatness]

Ron says Heinicke is starting this Sunday.

I am assuming (maybe stupidly, because we've all seen this team **** the bed at random unexpected times) that they will beat the Texans. That means Heinicke will likely start against Atlanta the following week, because benching him after a win would lose support for Ron inside and outside the locker room.

Ron started this season close to being on the hot seat. And Wentz's performances did not help him at all. The 3 things saving the team (and Ron) right now are
1) 2nd and 3rd stringers playing over their heads, week after week
2) The entire team sticking together through a ton of adversity on the field and off. Hell, one of them got shot.
3) The tangible lift in emotion and effort Heinicke brings to the team.

Since Ron got rid of William Jackson I don't think he'll balk at just keeping Wentz out or benched, and if things go badly south, playing Howell instead.

The fact is they're 5-5 with a decent chance at being 7-5. This is the first time this season I could honestly type that.