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Rivera: pre-season he said that this was a year the team had to take a step forward. It's his third season; that's a reasonable statement.

In yesterday's press conference, when asked a question about whether he understood the fan's frustration, Rivera kind of got upset and went on a rant in which he dropped a few F bombs. Notably, in the rant, he talked about how "it takes time" to turn a team around and that anyone who didn't realize that was "crazy" (his word). Basically, he has started changing his tune from pre-season and now is implying it's a rebuilding year once more. This mindset is reinforced by his getting young players off the street like Wildgoose instead of bolstering depth with (reasonably priced) vets.

I find this change of narrative to be very disturbing, in terms of his mindset. Look, I get it if things haven't gone the way you planned. But stand up and take responsibility for it. Say, "we've played like crap. The fans are right. It's unacceptable. I need to do better. Me, personally." Don't tell the fans they are "crazy" because they expect the team to not look like a JV squad the third year into a rebuilding project. It's a bad look and makes him look thin-skinned and ineffective.

This may honestly be a bigger problem than Wentz, who is sucking but at least is standing up and accepting responsibility for it...
 
Well Ron, the thing is in the NFL things can change overnight. The Rams went from a below .500 team under Fisher to immediately a contender under McVay winning a minimum of 9 games per year since he arrived. Buffalo went from average to great from a QB move and some D personnel decisions. Philly blew itself up and is back 2 years later. CIN flipped itself basically in 2 draft seasons.

Ron is full of BS. NFL teams go from average to great overnight. It starts with roster composition. And this roster is not close.
 
Wentz is just awful. I'm sorry, but he's AWFUL. I'd bench him tomorrow morning. I'd start the rookie. And Ron is way way past his prime. That challenge was just absurd. This team needs a new coach and a new QB bad. Although I think we might have something with Howell. Although the line might get him killed...sigh
 
I had hope for Wentz and the season, but I never really BELIEVED it would be any different than what it is. It's been so bad for so long that I really can't have faith in them anymore.
 
The O-Line is awful. That is a huge problem for the offense.
No matter who is the QB if you can't set your feet, you won't be any good
You will not have time to throw.

Wentz to often is getting hit when his back foot hits his drop.
That is a huge problem, think the play calling and player usage is poor also.

Wentz is not great but he can be better if the line gets better and play calling improves
 
zeeshan2 said:
[Vacchiano] Ron Rivera was asked why the other three teams in the NFC East are better than the Washington Commanders right now. His answer: "Quarterback."
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Ron should have said “coaching” if he was being honest.

And this comment by Ron is rich coming from the guy who was patting himself on the back all summer for acquiring Wentz.

Ron has really shown himself to be an insufferable excuse maker (in addition to being a bad coach). The man never takes any accountability for anything that goes wrong, and instead prefers to throw his players under the bus. If he hasn’t totally lost the locker room yet, it’s coming for sure. I can’t wait until he’s fired.
 
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I hope we can follow the Panthers lead (fired their awful coach today) and do the same very soon. I've seen enough. I had respect for him in Carolina, and I'm sure he's a decent human being, but don't care for how he coaches, and think he's holding the franchise back. Starting to think Coach Turner needs to go as well. And I'm pretty sure Ron orchestrated letting Brandon Sherrif and Eric Flowers walk and signing Norwell and Turner as replacements. And both have been HUGE downgrades. Its just KILLED the offense, and its a shame, because I still think we have better than average skill position players now between Terry, Dotson, Samuel, and the TE room has real potential too. But when you are getting blown up after every snap, bad things are going to happen ESPECIALLY with a QB like Wentz...
 
Gingers have it bad sometimes ;) But Sunday's game was a perfect example, he didn't really play that bad, but its the critical mistakes at the very worst times that kill him
 
Johnny Utah #9 said:
zeeshan2 said:
[Vacchiano] Ron Rivera was asked why the other three teams in the NFC East are better than the Washington Commanders right now. His answer: "Quarterback."
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Ron has really shown himself to be an insufferable excuse maker (in addition to being a bad coach). The man never takes any accountability for anything that goes wrong, and instead prefers to throw his players under the bus. If he hasn’t totally lost the locker room yet, it’s coming for sure. I can’t wait until he’s fired.
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I have to think it is impossible that he hasn't lost the locker room after throwing a fellow player under the bus.
 
IMO Ron is already trying to protect his next opportunity to lead a different team to 4-12.

Also, remember how predictable Norv Turner's offense was when he got fired. I think his son is running the same playbook. He got fired from MIN. He essentially got fired from CAR. And now he will be fired from WAS. They have nobody in house to give the job to. This is another cleaning house offseason.

Honestly, I'd rather keep Wentz than Rivera/Turner. Not that we have to keep either. But I feel like another coach might make use of these weapons better. And not be so insufferable behind the mic. You don't think McVay or Reed could make this offense work? Of course they could.

I'll add even more ... their top 4 cap hits this season are Wentz, Jackson, Samuel, and Fuller. Ron has thrown Jackson and Wentz under the bus. Samuel didn't even play last year. Fuller has been awful. And Chase Young and Jamin Davis have proven to be bad picks thus far. So their top 4 cap hits and 2020/21 1st rounders are all busts essentially. That is 100% on Ron ... whether it be picking those players or not coaching those players correctly. I can't imagine he is completely missing on talent all the time. And they have some skilled players. So to me it's bad coaching first, and bad GM second.
 
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Brunell4MVP said:
IMO Ron is already trying to protect his next opportunity to lead a different team to 4-12.

Also, remember how predictable Norv Turner's offense was when he got fired. I think his son is running the same playbook. He got fired from MIN. He essentially got fired from CAR. And now he will be fired from WAS. They have nobody in house to give the job to. This is another cleaning house offseason.

Honestly, I'd rather keep Wentz than Rivera/Turner. Not that we have to keep either. But I feel like another coach might make use of these weapons better. And not be so insufferable behind the mic. You don't think McVay or Reed could make this offense work? Of course they could.

I'll add even more ... their top 4 cap hits this season are Wentz, Jackson, Samuel, and Fuller. Ron has thrown Jackson and Wentz under the bus. Samuel didn't even play last year. Fuller has been awful. And Chase Young and Jamin Davis have proven to be bad picks thus far. So their top 4 cap hits and 2020/21 1st rounders are all busts essentially. That is 100% on Ron ... whether it be picking those players or not coaching those players correctly. I can't imagine he is completely missing on talent all the time. And they have some skilled players. So to me it's bad coaching first, and bad GM second.
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You ain't lying :no:
 
Rivera should go, but I don’t know who they would replace him with midseason. Usually there’s an OC or DC who can step in and hope they can turn things around, but they just need to get rid of everyone.

Turner has probably got to go too. Del Rio has the HC experience, but I’m not sure he can be promoted with some of his off the field baggage (and this team has enough of that).
 
Don Quixote said:
Rivera should go, but I don’t know who they would replace him with midseason. Usually there’s an OC or DC who can step in and hope they can turn things around, but they just need to get rid of everyone.

Turner has probably got to go too. Del Rio has the HC experience, but I’m not sure he can be promoted with some of his off the field baggage (and this team has enough of that).
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It’s even worse. They can’t attract quality candidates. Come the off-season when they’ve cleaned house, their only choices will be the coaches nobody else wants. It’s the reason for the current situation. The cycle will be repeated.
 
I don't think the firing of Sam Mills as DL coach in August 2022 should be overlooked either. Ron threw him under the bus too. My understanding is Mills wanted a different DL philosophy, and Rivera and Del Rio didn't like that. The DL is being abused by opponents using Del Rio's schemes. You've basically got a defensive HC and DC that are stuck in the same D they played in the 1980s.
 
dgreen said:
Don Quixote said:
Rivera should go, but I don’t know who they would replace him with midseason. Usually there’s an OC or DC who can step in and hope they can turn things around, but they just need to get rid of everyone.

Turner has probably got to go too. Del Rio has the HC experience, but I’m not sure he can be promoted with some of his off the field baggage (and this team has enough of that).
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It’s even worse. They can’t attract quality candidates. Come the off-season when they’ve cleaned house, their only choices will be the coaches nobody else wants. It’s the reason for the current situation. The cycle will be repeated
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And since the next owner wont have the name recognition, he will have less power/control than the current staff thinks they have.

I always figured Snyder got a pass because at least his team was profitable. Now that is no longer the case, I am shocked the NFL owners dont have "break glass and push owner out" option to get Snyder out of one of the top 5 largest markets on the globe. The dramatic (financial) turnaround this team could make with a new owner and old name (WFT), accompanied by just a above average product on the field (and a lot less rapey off of it,) would be yet another boon to the juggernaut that is the NFL.
 
Man, this report doesn't put other owners in a great light either. All is forgiven if he just gets a new stadium? They don't care at all about the awful things he's done.

I won't be surprised at all if this changes nothing. Somehow this all just fades away. Dan will still be the owner in a couple years.

And I bet they get blown out tonight. How many times has big, negative news broken on the day of a Washington primetime game and then they get embarrassed?
 
dgreen said:
Man, this report doesn't put other owners in a great light either. All is forgiven if he just gets a new stadium? They don't care at all about the awful things he's done.

I won't be surprised at all if this changes nothing. Somehow this all just fades away. Dan will still be the owner in a couple years.

And I bet they get blown out tonight. How many times has big, negative news broken on the day of a Washington primetime game and then they get embarrassed?
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Just think of the non football connections he has just being in that town. He can take down so many people with him and has enough money to make it all go away. When it comes down to it, the elite don't GAF what the people or fans think so long as it doesn't affect them. In their minds a new stadium will placate the fans enough to make them shut up. Not saying it will but that's what they think.
 
Guss said:
The O-Line is awful. That is a huge problem for the offense.
No matter who is the QB if you can't set your feet, you won't be any good
You will not have time to throw.

Wentz to often is getting hit when his back foot hits his drop.
That is a huge problem, think the play calling and player usage is poor also.

Wentz is not great but he can be better if the line gets better and play calling improves
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I think this is a bit unfair. Wentz holds the ball WAY too long. At least half the sacks are entirely due to him being slow to make decisions. Our o-line could be better too, sure.
 
(HULK) said:
Guss said:
The O-Line is awful. That is a huge problem for the offense.
No matter who is the QB if you can't set your feet, you won't be any good
You will not have time to throw.

Wentz to often is getting hit when his back foot hits his drop.
That is a huge problem, think the play calling and player usage is poor also.

Wentz is not great but he can be better if the line gets better and play calling improves
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I think this is a bit unfair. Wentz holds the ball WAY too long. At least half the sacks are entirely due to him being slow to make decisions. Our o-line could be better too, sure.
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He looks lost to me. Doesn't know where to go with the ball.
 
I think the line and Wentz both have a TON of blame here...and I think much smarter coaches would create plays that quickly get the ball out in space, I mean, all 3 of our WRs have really good short area burst and are fast...yet we can't get them the ball before we take 6-10 sacks a game?
 
ffmail4me said:
I think the line and Wentz both have a TON of blame here...and I think much smarter coaches would create plays that quickly get the ball out in space, I mean, all 3 of our WRs have really good short area burst and are fast...yet we can't get them the ball before we take 6-10 sacks a game?
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Samuel is the only person they seem to be creative with.

I was so encouraged after week 1 when Gibson was lining up at WR and running real routes (slants, corners). In that game, he had 8 targets, 7 receptions, and 72 yards. That's how they should be using him. LBs can't cover him on those routes. Since then (4 games), he has 12 targets, 9 receptions, and 62 yards. It's mostly been check down routes.

And there's almost no effort to make McLaurin a focus, which is baffling. I feel like they don't move him, but I could be wrong.
 
ffmail4me said:
I think the line and Wentz both have a TON of blame here...and I think much smarter coaches would create plays that quickly get the ball out in space, I mean, all 3 of our WRs have really good short area burst and are fast...yet we can't get them the ball before we take 6-10 sacks a game?
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I think that’s been a knock on Wentz his entire career. A lot of sacks of his own making by holding onto the ball too long.
 
dgreen said:
Man, this report doesn't put other owners in a great light either. All is forgiven if he just gets a new stadium? They don't care at all about the awful things he's done.

I won't be surprised at all if this changes nothing. Somehow this all just fades away. Dan will still be the owner in a couple years.

And I bet they get blown out tonight. How many times has big, negative news broken on the day of a Washington primetime game and then they get embarrassed?
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Is anyone surprised that Snyder has an entire folder of dirt on Jerry Jones? My guess is that there is a high enough percentage of dirtbag NFL owners that it makes it tough to get rid of any single one of them because the other ones will be afraid of the sights being set in them next.

It’s crazy. Snyder and Jones drove the NFL for quite some time on a lot of issues. A lot of those things made the league $$$$ so I think the other owners just sat there and shut up not saying a word because of how much money Jones and Snyder were making them.
 
The Sports Junkies had the Coach who runs Last Chance U on for a segment yesterday, and I think his take on Wentz was pretty much spot-on, IMHO. I don't think he's much of a pocket passer - roll him out and give him a few simple looks, or either run for a few yards and get out of bounds, or throw it away. 'Live to fight another down' is what he said. Criticized Dak for the same mentality, and pointed out that this is why Rush is undefeated as the Cowboys' starter. He thinks we ought to be starting Heinicke at this point. Personally, I've had just about enough of whatever it is they're putting on the field and calling a pass offense. I'd be all for going the route the LCU Coach described, and pulling Wentz for a drive or so every time he went off-script until it was drubbed into him to stay within the structure of the offense, and stop doing stupid things. It's humiliating and embarrassing, but disciplinary in-game benching might be a last resort in getting the point across.
 
Pyrrhic Victory. For having invested the time to watch, sure glad the result was a 'W'.

Silver lining: 10 days before I'm compelled to watch this Team again.
 
Abysmal.

I will commend Turner for doing one thing right for a brief moment. They ran the ball for 1 entire drive. When u got a bad pass protecting OL and a jittery QB you gotta get the big guys moving forward. That happened for about 6 mins. I guess they didn't score on that, but it did move the chains and give the D a break.

If they had lost we'd be calling for benching Wentz. And I still am. 12/22 for 98 yards and a QBR of 22. He was worse than Fields, and Fields is terrible. This team is going nowhere. They need to see what they have in Howell. Pretty confident they aren't winning more than 1 of their next 5 games. But Ron is Ron. He'll die on his sword.
 
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GroveDiesel said:
dgreen said:
Man, this report doesn't put other owners in a great light either. All is forgiven if he just gets a new stadium? They don't care at all about the awful things he's done.

I won't be surprised at all if this changes nothing. Somehow this all just fades away. Dan will still be the owner in a couple years.

And I bet they get blown out tonight. How many times has big, negative news broken on the day of a Washington primetime game and then they get embarrassed?
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Is anyone surprised that Snyder has an entire folder of dirt on Jerry Jones? My guess is that there is a high enough percentage of dirtbag NFL owners that it makes it tough to get rid of any single one of them because the other ones will be afraid of the sights being set in them next.
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Well said.

I have to laugh whenever I see articles about Snyder being kicked out or forced to sell. Guy may be a total sleazebag, but he has plenty of company in the NFL owership family.
 
facook said:
Turner is a bad OC

Wentz is a bad QB
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I'm certainly not defending Wentz's play, but I wonder if McKissic was supposed to keep going on that route. It looks like zone and it makes some sense to stop your route and sit, but you do that in an open spot of the zone and he has a defender right on him and tons of open space out in front of him so I think Wentz expected him to keep going. Of course, none of that excuses Wentz from not seeing Terry.
 
I forgot the game was even on. When the wife reminded me, I shrugged and kept doing what I was doing. Thursday Night Football is horrid. WASH is horrid. There was no incentive to turn it on.
 
GroveDiesel said:
dgreen said:
Man, this report doesn't put other owners in a great light either. All is forgiven if he just gets a new stadium? They don't care at all about the awful things he's done.

I won't be surprised at all if this changes nothing. Somehow this all just fades away. Dan will still be the owner in a couple years.

And I bet they get blown out tonight. How many times has big, negative news broken on the day of a Washington primetime game and then they get embarrassed?
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Is anyone surprised that Snyder has an entire folder of dirt on Jerry Jones? My guess is that there is a high enough percentage of dirtbag NFL owners that it makes it tough to get rid of any single one of them because the other ones will be afraid of the sights being set in them next.

It’s crazy. Snyder and Jones drove the NFL for quite some time on a lot of issues. A lot of those things made the league $$$$ so I think the other owners just sat there and shut up not saying a word because of how much money Jones and Snyder were making them.
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What exactly did Snyder do to make the NFL money?
 
Wentz' broken finger may be the best of all worlds for the Commanders. Assuming 5 games out, he won't play in the number of snaps for us to lose a 2nd round pick. We get to see Howell or heinicke in this offense to see if Wentz is the problem. And from there can easily determine if we draft another QB, or maybe roll with Wentz' contract one more year since it's not that bad of a contract for a starting QB (somewhat high at 11 highest next year for a QB but it's team friendly). No idea what the other QBs will look like behind this OL. Will be interesting to see.
 
Brunell4MVP said:
Wentz' broken finger may be the best of all worlds for the Commanders. Assuming 5 games out, he won't play in the number of snaps for us to lose a 2nd round pick. We get to see Howell or heinicke in this offense to see if Wentz is the problem. And from there can easily determine if we draft another QB, or maybe roll with Wentz' contract one more year since it's not that bad of a contract for a starting QB (somewhat high at 11 highest next year for a QB but it's team friendly). No idea what the other QBs will look like behind this OL. Will be interesting to see.
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It's 70% of snaps, so 5 games out probably does it, 6 definitely does.

Best thing than could happened to us. He's mentally broken, just holds the ball forever and plays scared.
 
People who run football teams, they think in terms of drafting stars. Your goal shouldn't be to draft stars, your goal should be to draft touchdowns. And in order to draft touchdowns, you need to draft completions. Ron Rivera sees Carson Wentz and he sees a physical specimen that's worth $28 million a year. When I see Carson Wentz what I see is... is... an imperfect understanding of where completions come from. The guy's got a great arm. He's strong and big. But is he worth the $28 million? No. No. Football thinking is medieval. Ron Rivera is asking all the wrong questions. And if I say it to anybody, I'm ostracized. I see rookie quarterbacks on a team friendly deal and what I see , what I see is a $4 million salary cap hit, a quarterback with fresh legs and dreams, and leftover money to surround him with the pieces to buy touchdowns. If you want full disclosure, I think it's a good thing Carson Wentz played bad, hurt his finger, and won't likely be re-signed. And that Sam Howell or Taylor Heinicke or a draft pick will be quarterbacking this team. I think it opens up all kinds of interesting possibilities.
 
There is ZERO reason to start Taylor and not Sam Howell. This will tell us everything we need to know about Ron and the direction of this franchise. Anyone with half a brain knows to start Howell, give him time to fairly prove he either is or is NOT a franchise QB, or at very least, a weekly starter in the NFL. We already know, for sure, Heinicke is NOT an NFL starting QB. So why start him?
 
ffmail4me said:
There is ZERO reason to start Taylor and not Sam Howell. This will tell us everything we need to know about Ron and the direction of this franchise. Anyone with half a brain knows to start Howell, give him time to fairly prove he either is or is NOT a franchise QB, or at very least, a weekly starter in the NFL. We already know, for sure, Heinicke is NOT an NFL starting QB. So why start him?
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He's gonna start Heinicke. I completely agree with you, but since when do we do things that make sense?
 
(HULK) said:
ffmail4me said:
There is ZERO reason to start Taylor and not Sam Howell. This will tell us everything we need to know about Ron and the direction of this franchise. Anyone with half a brain knows to start Howell, give him time to fairly prove he either is or is NOT a franchise QB, or at very least, a weekly starter in the NFL. We already know, for sure, Heinicke is NOT an NFL starting QB. So why start him?
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He's gonna start Heinicke. I completely agree with you, but since when do we do things that make sense?
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Of course he is. Rivera is so obtuse, he doesn't realize starting Howell is his only ticket to getting an extension. Either Howell works and Rivera can proclaim himself a genius, or he fails horribly and WFT gets a rookie for Ron to "build around" starting next year. But he's an imbecile, so he'll start Heinicke until Wentz can come back, go 5-12, and be gone in the offseason.

Actually, maybe he's a genius. This franchise stinks.
 
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