***OFFICIAL*** Washington Commanders Thread (5 Viewers)

[ffmail4me]

winning cures so much...if we can put together a legit offense (I see no reason we can't now) and the defense just plays to its potential, this team will win 9-12 games (they do have a good schedule) and we can hopefully forget about what an ahole Snyder has been for 2+ decades and how stupid all these name changes this cancel culture forced upon the franchise. 

 

[nittanylion]

winning cures so much...if we can put together a legit offense (I see no reason we can't now) and the defense just plays to its potential, this team will win 9-12 games (they do have a good schedule) and we can hopefully forget about what an ahole Snyder has been for 2+ decades and how stupid all these name changes this cancel culture forced upon the franchise. 

100%. If they'd have done more winning over the last 20 years, the name would still be Redskins. It's very difficult to force change on a winner.

They are getting slaughtered on every single local media outlet over the song. Deservedly so.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Am I wrong to have a little bit of hope this year? The D cannot be worse than last year. Wentz is more talented than Heinicke. The odds are Samuel, Robinson, and Dotson are gonna get a lot of play. I dunno. As much as I enjoy trashing this team, it feels like it might be a sleeper 10-7 year.

 

[MikeApf]

Brian Robinson should at least be given the chance to earn the starting RB job this year. I know Gibson is more experienced and has real talent as a runner and a receiver. But as I see it:

1. He lead all RBs last year in fumbles (6, with 4 lost I believe). Some of these fumbles came in key situations like game one vs. SD that arguably lost that game or when we were trying to come back vs. Dallas (where we probably would lost anyway but it took all hope away).

2. However, it's not just ancecdotal events like the SD game. I'm pretty sure Turnover Ratio is pretty much directly correlated to winning and losing in the NFL. It's one of the biggest factors in winning and losing.

3. GIbson came into this year KNOWING he had a fumble problem (see item # 1). And then in first damn preseason game he coughs it up not holding it well? Yes, it's a preseason game but you play like you practice and you would think -- if you KNEW you had a fumble problem -- you would be working on that issue night and day to save your career and help your team. Obviously, he is not getting it done.

I am extremely down on Gibson now, due to these ongoing fumbling problems. I know he has talent but turnovers directly lead to losses, period, and there is no way around that. We talk about Wentz protecting the ball and whatnot ... well we need to hold GIbson equally accountable.

Robinson looks like he has potential already but of course he will have to earn the starting job. I'm not saying crown him already but at least give the guy a chance. I don't think Gibson is starting material in this league with his backbreaking fumbling problems.

Sorry, I'm a little shocked and pissed off he's fumbled already.

 

[dgreen]

Yeah, that fumble was really disappointing. He could be looking at a short career if he doesn't get that fixed.

I really like Gibson and his skill set. I think they misuse him. He's probably not a true RB. But, I'm also running out of patience with him and Robinson obviously looked good Saturday.

 

[facook]

What in the WORLD is up with your new fight song? Sounds like it should be on Lawrence Welk.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

If you go back to the draft discussions I had RB as a top 3 position of need. Gibson is a WR. And WR don't have the ball protection skills nor the footwork learned over 15 years of playing RB, and getting hit at the line, and having guys grab at the ball, and avoiding direct hits. It's not like moving from LG to RG. There are skills involved. I think Robinson is already the starter at rb myself. Gibson has a role, but I think as an oversized 3rd down back where they can utilize his route running and open field skills.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Gotta say this thread has become a mirror image of the fan base. Used to be 50+ posts in here per day. Now none of us really care. Snyder and Bruce and a name change and losing, losing, losing pretty much killed whatever enjoyment there was watching them. Rivera hasn't done much to salvage it other than end the circus of media leaks.

But I'm a sucker so...

• QB - Wentz, Darnold, Heinicke is pretty much rinse, repeat from the previous 2 years. Nothing proven, just hopes. Rivera has had 6 starting QBs in 3 years (Haskins, Allen, Smith, Fitzpatrick, Heinicke, Wentz). Wentz is more talented than the previous QBs, so let's hope for the best. I do like Darnold and Heinicke as backups. There are far worse QB situations around the league. Hopefully lightning strikes and Wentz shows up as a top 15 NFL QB.
• RB - Robinson will win this job. Even if he doesn't he's gonna carry the ball a lot. Gibson stays in the mix as a 1-2 punch. I think a more creative OC would have Gibson lining up essentially at motion TE and getting him 1 on 1 with the LB, while McLaurin, Dotson and Samuels occupy the CB/S. Making sure Gibson doesn't have to block. Kind of a 4 WR set. McKissick will be the same guy he's always been.
• WR - Actually a talented group. McLaurin and healthy Samuels should be able to find space. Dotson has to prove he belongs. I see him like Jamin Davis ... a complete overreach in the draft. Hopefully he proves me wrong cause he seems like a hard worker.
• TE - I love me some Logan Thomas being a VT guy. But I don't look at any of these guys and go ... he's a threat. And if Logan gets hurt again, this unit goes from mediocre to horrid.
• OL - I think an underrated part of the team. They may not blow teams away, but they will get the job done. And theres some depth. And I do feel like they are well coached.
• DL - Awful IMO. Payne is average. Chase will be hurt half the year. Sweat will get double teamed if he does get on a roll. Allen will be solid be not special. Not much depth. And there is no sack specialist IMO. Even with Chase. Heck, he may actually bring the unit down the way he played last year. The QB pressure is not going to be there. The run stuffing is not going to be there. Getting off the field on 3rd down is not going to be there.
• LB - Worst part of the team. Nothing good to see here. Move along.
• CB/S - This group is better than years past. But secondary success is largely predicated on what is in front of them. And what in front is horrible.
• Coaching - OC average at best. Too stuck to a game plan rather than wearing out what works that day and having creative sets. You don't think McVay would have this skill set of players crushing it. Of course he would. DC is less than average and stuck in 1980 coverages. With a D coach nobody else wants. Rivera overseeing it adequate but nothing special. If anything he's the rock in the room, but doesn't seem very inspirational.

So I have hopes for the offense, and trepidations about the defense, and find the coaches boring. Luckily the division will stink. So there's always a chance.

 

[fatness]

Let's see if our vaunted defense can hold Jacksonville under 33 minutes time of possession.

 

[MikeApf]

Strap in folks. Welcome to "The Carson Wentz Experience."

 

[dgreen]

Good to see Gibson do well. I like how they used him. Ran him on some real routes, unlike the last couple years when he pretty much only did safety routes.

 

[MikeApf]

Agreed..and props to Gibson for bouncing back after being "demoted" so to speak. Speaks well to his character. There was a lot to be happy about on offense. A healthy Curtis Samuel looks like a legit weapon....all those short passes with YAC almost reminds me of an Edleman type role. Dotson 2 TDs in his first game? Hard for people to say that the Comms "reached" for him at this point. OL admirably held up despite injuries.

I liked the pressure we got on Lawrence on the defensive side of the ball. Forrest played a good game in relief. At the same time, I'd say we also were fortunate to be playing the Jags. It felt like they made a lot of mistakes and left points on the field.

We have a chance against Detroit but we need to eliminate the turnovers, penalties and mistakes...

Let's go...

 

[dgreen]

Agreed..and props to Gibson for bouncing back after being "demoted" so to speak. Speaks well to his character. There was a lot to be happy about on offense. A healthy Curtis Samuel looks like a legit weapon....all those short passes with YAC almost reminds me of an Edleman type role. Dotson 2 TDs in his first game? Hard for people to say that the Comms "reached" for him at this point. OL admirably held up despite injuries.

I liked the pressure we got on Lawrence on the defensive side of the ball. Forrest played a good game in relief. At the same time, I'd say we also were fortunate to be playing the Jags. It felt like they made a lot of mistakes and left points on the field.

We have a chance against Detroit but we need to eliminate the turnovers, penalties and mistakes...

Let's go...

Yeah, playing the Jags definitely helped. They weren't good. Lawrence cost them points. It could have easily been a loss. Which is depressing.

 

[(HULK)]

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

youtu.be

This dude is calling the Comms offense the 2000 Rams?

Like, I think we're better than last year but this is a nutso over-reaction imo. Heck, we couldn't even move the ball down the field for 2 of the 4 quarters.

 

[ffmail4me]

Offense looks better than the defense at this point. Who would have thought it?

 

[Johnny Utah #9]

With Del Rio still in charge of the D, I'm not too surprised.

 

[MikeApf]

Is JDR officially on the hot seat yet?

 

[Johnny Utah #9]

Is JDR officially on the hot seat yet?

I’m sure he considers his team’s defensive performance “just a dust up”.

Meanwhile Ron and JDR are out here throwing Jamin Davis under the bus like he is the source of all the defensive problems. It’s embarrassing.

 

[fatness]

This is the third season in which I asked for del Rio to be fired.
Rivera's all defensive in answering questions, it's the second game of a season, and he's already blaming a player (Jamin Davis).
I'm glad to see a functional offense for the first time in years and that truly helps. But there's no cure for this miserable, miserable defense that, according to coaches, has the same problems they've had in past years.
del Rio should be gone. The only reason I can think of that he's not is because his politics align with Snyder's. Rivera needs to save his own *** right now.

 

[Johnny Utah #9]

The truly frightening part is this defense has to face the Eagles next week. The Birds might score 50.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

You'd struggle to find one forum poster that has supported Del Rio since middle of last year. I fail to ever understand a coach on any level at any sport that tries to fit players into their scheme rather than fit the scheme to their players. He's got guys playing all out of position. He and Rivera can say all they want that they look for players that can do multiple things. That's just BS. You find a player that does one thing great and you put them in position to do it. Imagine asking Steph Curry to focus on rebounding. Yeah ... that;'s what Del Rio would do. Del Rio's D stinks. See my post Aug 26. And many others before me. It's lazy coaching. Simply lazy. And if you are gonna be lazy about it, at least be aggressive. It's like they are bending over and taking it from all 11 guys on the other team

 

[Johnny Utah #9]

How we feeling about the game this week. A sense of dread after watching the Eagles out on that clinic on Monday night? Given the way the crowds have gone the last few years I’m fully expecting more green jerseys in the stand than Burgandy. It could get ugly fast.

That being said, I think the offense will acquit themselves better than Kirk and the Vikes. Shutting down this offense isn’t simply throwing Slay on Terry and bracket coverage. Norv Jr. will have to bring his a game, and the line will likely need max protect, but I expect Wentz to still be able to sling it. Problem is I can’t see our defense providing any resistance whatsoever to the onslaught.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

How we feeling about the game this week. A sense of dread after watching the Eagles out on that clinic on Monday night? Given the way the crowds have gone the last few years I’m fully expecting more green jerseys in the stand than Burgandy. It could get ugly fast.

That being said, I think the offense will acquit themselves better than Kirk and the Vikes. Shutting down this offense isn’t simply throwing Slay on Terry and bracket coverage. Norv Jr. will have to bring his a game, and the line will likely need max protect, but I expect Wentz to still be able to sling it. Problem is I can’t see our defense providing any resistance whatsoever to the onslaught.

The NFL is a weird league. Crazy things happen. But on paper it''s an ugly projection. As bad as our D is, I think the hope has to be that the offense gets first downs. And even if they don't score they need to lengthen the field for PHI. Though they sort of did that in the 2nd half last week to no avail. But I do think that's the deal ... offense needs to not only put up 30 but also have sustained drives.

 

[Amused to Death]

How we feeling about the game this week. A sense of dread after watching the Eagles out on that clinic on Monday night? Given the way the crowds have gone the last few years I’m fully expecting more green jerseys in the stand than Burgandy. It could get ugly fast.

That being said, I think the offense will acquit themselves better than Kirk and the Vikes. Shutting down this offense isn’t simply throwing Slay on Terry and bracket coverage. Norv Jr. will have to bring his a game, and the line will likely need max protect, but I expect Wentz to still be able to sling it. Problem is I can’t see our defense providing any resistance whatsoever to the onslaught.

As an Eagles fan, I expect a close, competitive game. Wentz appears to be off to a good start. Eagles travelling on a short week, and a division game. I can certainly see this being a 3 point game either way.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Any reason they didn't bring in either Suh or Pierre-Paul. I know they are has beens that at best you'd get 15 games from, but those has beens have a lot of experience a team that can't stop the run could use. Instead we got some 7th rounder cut by DAL to play DT? Makes no sense to me. I'd rather fill in the injuries with experience moreso than sign cut rookies that couldn't make it elsewhere.

 

[ffmail4me]

I'm tired of this defense under performing. All that talent and 1st round capitol and we have, AT BEST, an average (if not below average) pass rush. Yes, Del Rio should have been fired a long time ago...surely we can do better.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

And the COO of the team steps down. Been there almost 2 years. Does it 3 weeks into season. Timing (the lack of it) shows everything you need to know about what goes on behind closed doors.

quote ... "at least 13 executives have left the team over the past year and a half, for a variety of reasons".

 

[MikeApf]

Year 3 was supposed to be the year we were taking a big leap forward. That's out of Rivera's own mouth.

I'm starting to read more questioning not only the coaching acumen but also the "roster building acumen" of this current group - Rivera and the Marty's. I'm not real well versed on these thing but a few things stand out.

Rivera has routinely let guys go like Erik Flowers and Morgan Moses and backfilled almost entirely with ex Panther players, like Andrew Norwell and Trai Turner -- both who were part of the crew that imploded and gave up 9 sacks and what -- 20 QB hits -- yesterday.

Rivera let both Settle and Ionitis go and now thanks to one injury is brining in guys off the street to fill in at DT. I think one of the reserves he brought in was from Carolina.

Rivera refused to upgrade the defense in the offseason, only swapping out one starter, Landon Collins. The result has been a repeat of many of the same issues from last year. They refused to upgrade at LB then when Jamin Davis struggled, JDR and Rivera critique him publically.

It's not just coaching. This administration has not effectively built a roster.

I'll give them props on some nice signings ... Jahan Doctson was panned as a reach, it looks good now for instance. Logan Thomas was a find. The offense skill position players in general have improved. But the roster three years later still seems to have more gaping holes than it should. In yesterdays press conference, Rivera can be heard referencing injuries and also subtly making the excuses that they are playing young guys who need to learn. This is a fine excuse year 1 for sure. Year 2 maybe. Year 3 -- it's getting old dude. If you need to make a leap then maybe get a few vets here and there as backups to mix with the young guys if they are not ready.

I really don't know what I'm talking about here but I just feel like Rivera's roster management leaves a lot of questions unanswered. It's been a running joke that he will only bring in ex Panthers to fill holed and sadly, that may have some truth to it and has resulted in a generally deficient roster...

 

[Brunell4MVP]

I think you are spot on MikeApf. At any level of sports, all the way down to youth sports, there are 3 things that have to happen before you even get into the details like leadership and game management.

1) pick the right players
2) teach and coach up those players
3) put them in the schemes and positions to ensure their success

The Commanders failures start at #1. They don't seem to do #2 and 3 well either, but it doesn't matter if the personnel is inadequate compared to the rest of the league.

Jamin Davis is far and away the best example of Rivera thinking he knows more than everyone else. Not one fan would have ever said ... Jamin Davis is available we are so lucky. Darrisaw is starting in MIN on the OL. What a difference he would have made even if he is average. Bruce Allen wasn't good at it either. But Rivera plain thinks he knows more than everyone in the room. Jamin Davis might have been available 30 picks later. Dotson at least 10 picks later. And Chaase Young was an unnecessary pick when you needed a QB.

Back to back bad Personnel executives, and this is what you get. A roster that lacks star power and depth. A new QB every year. Actually, Rivera alone has had 6 starters in ~35 games (Smith, Fitz, Heinicke, Wentz, Haskins, Allen) .

If you cant' pick the right players, you better have creative and awesome coaches. We have none of the above.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Anyone see the mascot choices... comedy hour. Either a Scooby Doo looking dog or a Pig with a helmet. Dear Lord.. You can't make up how bad this franchise is

 

[MikeApf]

Well, after watching the Washington Steelers...er, I mean the Commanders yesterday, I'm pretty discouraged.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but at what point during the season do you seriously consider seeing what you have in Sam Howell? Yes, the offensive line is crap, but Wentz's flaws are really showing and I think there are real questions as to whether he can be our QB of the future. Before you say I'm pulling the plug too soon, note I am not saying to bench him now. However, there is a clause in the trade that if he plays 75% of the snaps or something like that, we owe Indy a 2nd instead of a 3rd. That's a big deal. You only want to give them that 2nd if he is your QB of the future. I say if we get to 1-6 or 2-5, you seriously start to consider trying another QB. Then, if you bottom out and Howell is not the answer, take your high pick and go all in on a true franchise QB with a better draft class. No, I am not proposing tanking. Trying Sam Howell if Wentz is losing games is not tanking...it's trying something different. But doing it with serious strategic thinking for the future.

The frustrating thing about the game was the the defense actually played ok for awhile. I do believe the lopsided penalties called was garbage. No, I am not saying we lost due to officiating but there was something wonky going on there. I am not one to typically blame the refs because I think that's way overdone by fans, but it was just weird yesterday how one sided it was. Not sure what was going on there. Anyway, that's a tangent. Even without the officiating, you can't win just scoring 10 points.

Very discouraged as a Commanders fan this morning. I know 1-3 is not a death knell and with 13 games to go you can definitely turn it around. But for some reason, I can't imagine this team doing that. Can you? Someone talk me off the ledge!

 

[dgreen]

I'd bench Wentz now and go with Heinicke. Wentz reminded me of bad RG3 yesterday. He looked like he didn't know what to do and I saw no confidence in him from the coaches. I really thought Wentz was an upgrade over Heinicke, but that doesn't seem to be true. We heard so much about how Wentz was going to allow Turner to open up the playbook compared to what he could run with Heinicke, but I get the feeling that they've cut back on what they think they can do with Wentz back there.

 

[MikeApf]

I'd bench Wentz now and go with Heinicke. Wentz reminded me of bad RG3 yesterday. He looked like he didn't know what to do and I saw no confidence in him from the coaches. I really thought Wentz was an upgrade over Heinicke, but that doesn't seem to be true. We heard so much about how Wentz was going to allow Turner to open up the playbook compared to what he could run with Heinicke, but I get the feeling that they've cut back on what they think they can do with Wentz back there.

I'd be ok with that.

I'm concerned though that Rivera has staked his reputation on Wentz and instead of adjusting, he may just "double down" so as not to admit he was wrong. The problem for Rivera is, he will need Wentz to turn his play around for him to be proven right. And he may have little or no control over that. Wentz could end up killing him as a coach in DC...

 

[Brunell4MVP]

I think we are really seeing the lack of a true personnel executive yet again. Bruce Allen wasn't good, but Rivera has proven to be worse. He is blind to the holes in the roster makeup. Letting Scherff go was fine, but they didn't replace him with a quality player. Getting Wentz was fine, but they didn't find the pieces to protect him, run the ball, nor the TE outlet he needs. His draft picks have not worked out. Dotson may have 4 TDs, but is he really a key part of the offense? Not really. The holes at LB are now 3+ years going. They simply have not built a good roster. And the coaches aren't savvy enough to work around that.

With this OL, a QB with escapability is needed. You gotta be able to buy time for the WRs to get open. And be a running threat so the entire front 7 on the other team isn't in attack mode the entire game. They have ZERO fear of Wentz getting out of the pocket. Heinicke could do it. Wentz can't.

My guess is he will roll with Carson to the end. He's staked the team on this guy. I would turn to Heinicke now. But I don't see Rivera doing it. He's proven to be super stubborn and annoyed that anyone thinks he's wrong ever. Guys like that just dig the hole deeper. I could see him turning to Howell later in the season as a way to maybe save his job.

My opinion is Snyder is already planning to write Rivera a $14M check at the end of the season and move on. And I think that's the right thought. Rivera has 3 winning seasons in ~11 years coaching. That's crap. And he's proven to be a bad GM, and maybe he's got too much on his plate. He has brought calm to the football side of things, but that's not enough to keep a guy in the job. Winning is everything (on the field )

Frankly I'd be thinking about the chiefs assistant GM Mike Borgonzi. He's been a personnel guy. Maybe he hires Bieniemy to coach. Can you really go wrong pulling execs and coaches from the KC tree? Pay the man a ton of money to GM so he doesn't go elsewhere.

 

[dgreen]

Of course, none of this matters. Nothing is going to change until there's change at the top. They can make all the front office, coaching, and player changes they want and the results will continue to be somewhere between awful and mediocre. This organization can't get any coaches who are wanted by other teams. The good ones will always choose another team if they have an option. Would Rivera be a HC anywhere else? How about Del Rio as a DC or Turner as an OC anywhere else? If it weren't for Snyder, Rivera would be retired or a DC somewhere, and Del Rio and Turner would probably be position coaches.

 

[Johnny Utah #9]

Both of you guys are right imo. Rivera will stubbornly dig in on Wentz since he made such a big deal about the acquisition. Wentz should be pulled now since he’s clearly not the answer, and more importantly, we should be looking to protect future draft capital. No reason to give him enough snaps so that pick converts. Heineke could be rolled out there but I would honestly rather just see what they have in Howell. This is a lost season and the sooner the evaluate the kid the better. Need to know what we have in him before looking at QB in next years draft.

But you guys are also right that none of this will ultimately matter as long as Danny Boy remains the owner. Without a change in ownership all of this is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titantic.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

"rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic."

Top 3 cliches of all time. ETA: Originally said about the Catholic Church reforms in the 60s.

 

[need2know]

You guys need to start wentz rest of season. no doubts about it. He's the man.

 

[ffmail4me]

Not sure why you guys would want Heinicke over Howell. We are going to be picking early next year, I'd rather see over the course of this entire year if Howell is the answer or not. I thought he looked great in preseason. He can definitely move better than Wentz and I'd argue his arm was the strongest of the 3 we have on the roster. His height is the only reason he fell to us in the 5th. Smart teams would start him and if we crash with him running the team, fine, we have a better pick for a QB next year. Plus we'd keep our 2nd if Wentz plays less than 70% of the snaps. Just seems like a no brainer to me. But I'm sure we'll start Wentz unti he's just past 70% and then put in Taylor H.

 

[ffmail4me]

I wonder which one of us hates being a Washington fan the most? I have to be pretty high on that list...I watch every freaking game just to be disappointed, making matters much worse that I watched all 3 SB victories and grew up a fan of a very successful and admirable franchise. My how things have changed.....

 

[(HULK)]

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

youtu.be

This dude is calling the Comms offense the 2000 Rams?

Like, I think we're better than last year but this is a nutso over-reaction imo. Heck, we couldn't even move the ball down the field for 2 of the 4 quarters.

With more hindsight, LMAO at this video.

 

[(HULK)]

I wonder which one of us hates being a Washington fan the most? I have to be pretty high on that list...I watch every freaking game just to be disappointed, making matters much worse that I watched all 3 SB victories and grew up a fan of a very successful and admirable franchise. My how things have changed.....

I'm seriously considering dropping them after 45 years.

My first 14 years of life had 4 superbowl appearances and 3 wins.
My 14 year old daughter has not seen them win a single playoff game.
The owner is an unambiguously terrible human being.
The product them put on the field is just awful.
The stadium game day experience is just awful AND insanely expensive. Going to a game just feels like being taken advantage of and brutalized from start to finish.

I don't know what to do. I've been a fan my whole life. I'm a fan of all DC teams. Growing up I supported the O's, and 20 seconds after we got the Nats I'd switched to the Nats. I want to support all things DC. It's just... I'm not sure I can support this team anymore. It's just completely and utterly dismal.

 

[dgreen]

Not sure why you guys would want Heinicke over Howell. We are going to be picking early next year, I'd rather see over the course of this entire year if Howell is the answer or not. I thought he looked great in preseason. He can definitely move better than Wentz and I'd argue his arm was the strongest of the 3 we have on the roster. His height is the only reason he fell to us in the 5th. Smart teams would start him and if we crash with him running the team, fine, we have a better pick for a QB next year. Plus we'd keep our 2nd if Wentz plays less than 70% of the snaps. Just seems like a no brainer to me. But I'm sure we'll start Wentz unti he's just past 70% and then put in Taylor H.

I lean towards Heinicke since my assumption is that Howell just isn't ready. I don't like playing people who aren't ready because it hurts everyone else on the team. But maybe he's close to being ready. If the offense won't be a disaster with him, then I'm fine with giving him a shot over Heinicke. But, I think for the team's sake, you have to try to win at this point in the season and my guess is that means Heinicke.

I mean, Cooper Rush is better Wentz. Whoever that Bailey Zappe guy is who played for NE last night looks better than Wentz has.

 

[dgreen]

I wonder which one of us hates being a Washington fan the most? I have to be pretty high on that list...I watch every freaking game just to be disappointed, making matters much worse that I watched all 3 SB victories and grew up a fan of a very successful and admirable franchise. My how things have changed.....

I'm seriously considering dropping them after 45 years.

My first 14 years of life had 4 superbowl appearances and 3 wins.
My 14 year old daughter has not seen them win a single playoff game.
The owner is an unambiguously terrible human being.
The product them put on the field is just awful.
The stadium game day experience is just awful AND insanely expensive. Going to a game just feels like being taken advantage of and brutalized from start to finish.

I don't know what to do. I've been a fan my whole life. I'm a fan of all DC teams. Growing up I supported the O's, and 20 seconds after we got the Nats I'd switched to the Nats. I want to support all things DC. It's just... I'm not sure I can support this team anymore. It's just completely and utterly dismal.

I wouldn't say I'm seriously considering dropping them, but I find myself in a weird spot with them. I definitely care a lot less than I used to. Part of that is just aging, I think. But, them being who they are doesn't help either. Yesterday, I agreed to go to lunch with some people after church knowing I'd be home late for the game. I didn't really care that I missed some of the game. I cared that I wasn't there watching with my sons, but I only missed two drives so not a huge deal on that front.

I didn't say it out loud yesterday, but I said to myself, "If Wentz starts next week, I don't know if I can watch." But, I will watch. That may mostly be driven by the opportunity to bond with my sons, though. We watch Washington football together. We always have and I'll keep doing that as long as they do. If they stopped caring, I'm guessing my desire would quickly vanish. But, man, I honestly just didn't care - at all! - that they lost to Dallas yesterday. I even laughed when Lamb scored, catching a pass with no defenders on the TV screen, in a way that I'd laugh if it was two random teams I don't care about.

I really wish they could be good sometimes. I'd like to have those memories with my sons.

 

[(HULK)]

I wonder which one of us hates being a Washington fan the most? I have to be pretty high on that list...I watch every freaking game just to be disappointed, making matters much worse that I watched all 3 SB victories and grew up a fan of a very successful and admirable franchise. My how things have changed.....

I'm seriously considering dropping them after 45 years.

My first 14 years of life had 4 superbowl appearances and 3 wins.
My 14 year old daughter has not seen them win a single playoff game.
The owner is an unambiguously terrible human being.
The product them put on the field is just awful.
The stadium game day experience is just awful AND insanely expensive. Going to a game just feels like being taken advantage of and brutalized from start to finish.

I don't know what to do. I've been a fan my whole life. I'm a fan of all DC teams. Growing up I supported the O's, and 20 seconds after we got the Nats I'd switched to the Nats. I want to support all things DC. It's just... I'm not sure I can support this team anymore. It's just completely and utterly dismal.

I wouldn't say I'm seriously considering dropping them, but I find myself in a weird spot with them. I definitely care a lot less than I used to. Part of that is just aging, I think. But, them being who they are doesn't help either. Yesterday, I agreed to go to lunch with some people after church knowing I'd be home late for the game. I didn't really care that I missed some of the game. I cared that I wasn't there watching with my sons, but I only missed two drives so not a huge deal on that front.

I didn't say it out loud yesterday, but I said to myself, "If Wentz starts next week, I don't know if I can watch." But, I will watch. That may mostly be driven by the opportunity to bond with my sons, though. We watch Washington football together. We always have and I'll keep doing that as long as they do. If they stopped caring, I'm guessing my desire would quickly vanish. But, man, I honestly just didn't care - at all! - that they lost to Dallas yesterday. I even laughed when Lamb scored, catching a pass with no defenders on the TV screen, in a way that I'd laugh if it was two random teams I don't care about.

I really wish they could be good sometimes. I'd like to have those memories with my sons.

Via my neighbor's connection to the Bills, I went to the Ravens/Bills game and got on the field for pregame warm ups. It was a very cool experience. The game was better than anything I've seen @ Fedex in ages. We only paid $30 to park and had an easy walk up. You could get a pretzel for $3 and a cheeseburger for $6. There were still obnoxious fans, but for the most part the fans of the two teams got along and I witnessed zero fights (used to seeing 2 or more every game at FedEx). Meanwhile, I kept tabs on my Commanders depression via my phone and had no surprise that we got trounced by a team that lost it's starting QB. I dunno.

I honestly think somewhere between 27 and 31 teams have it better than we do as Commanders fans. It's just awful at every level and in all ways.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

I didn't watch a game in Bruce Allen's last year. But those are the only games since the 1970s I have not watched. I'm stuck with this team forever. Though I won't spend money as long as the game day experience is what it is. After seeing Super Bowls and solid coaching and great players I'm left with this horrid franchise.

I still think the worst thing that ever happened to this team is not Snyder owning it, but the move to Landover that JKC did when the mayor wouldn't give him what he wanted. Second worse would be JKC leaving the team to his foundation to sell. He really screwed everyone over with his end of life decisions. The stadium experience is so bad, and is about as far away from the area big money as it can be. Many Maryland people are Ravens fans. Now the stadium is stuck over in quasi Raven land, and closer to Philly and NYC than it should be. And it shouldn't be in Hoodbridge either. It should be in DC, and secondarily near their practice area of Ashburn where the corporations in Tysons, Reston, etc. can spend money there. But more important than which of those locations, it needs to be easier to access and not so expensive. And that's on Dan. He could easily fix the parking, concessions, etc. But that money goes straight to his pocket and he does it to make coin. He doesn't give one care about the fans when he's rolling in on a helicopter or in his Maybach.

I'd say on the field we are consistently in the bottom half of the league. And as far as game day experience, we are bottom 3. It's hard to support the team other than turning on the TV. My kids are in their 20s. They haven't seen but once decent team in their lifetime, and that was the RG3 pre-injury year. That's really the only year of hope we've had in this century.

 

[MikeApf]

I wonder which one of us hates being a Washington fan the most? I have to be pretty high on that list...I watch every freaking game just to be disappointed, making matters much worse that I watched all 3 SB victories and grew up a fan of a very successful and admirable franchise. My how things have changed.....

I'm seriously considering dropping them after 45 years.

My first 14 years of life had 4 superbowl appearances and 3 wins.
My 14 year old daughter has not seen them win a single playoff game.
The owner is an unambiguously terrible human being.
The product them put on the field is just awful.
The stadium game day experience is just awful AND insanely expensive. Going to a game just feels like being taken advantage of and brutalized from start to finish.

I don't know what to do. I've been a fan my whole life. I'm a fan of all DC teams. Growing up I supported the O's, and 20 seconds after we got the Nats I'd switched to the Nats. I want to support all things DC. It's just... I'm not sure I can support this team anymore. It's just completely and utterly dismal.

Well, look on the bright side, we got the Wizards to watch soon! Right? Right?

Seriously, I'm with you guys. I've been a fan since the old days and had a chance to witness games at RFK and multiple Super Bowl victories. Furthermore, I root for every Washington, D.C. team and am just deeply opposed to bandwagon hopping to a team outside of my home area. For this reason, I'm stuck with this team. I will always root for them.

The line though I have started to draw is: 1.) I no longer put any $$ in Snyder's pocket. That means, just games on TV and no merch. 2.) If I have something else to do, I'll often just DVR the game and watch later. I'm not setting aside my Sunday afternoon's to be tortured.

But I will never quit them. It's like a curse.

 

[facook]

The chances are probably low, but if Howell was decent to good and won some games Ron could claim Howell is "his guy" and buy another year as coach. You Skins fans should want anything but that.

 

[ffmail4me]

The chances are probably low, but if Howell was decent to good and won some games Ron could claim Howell is "his guy" and buy another year as coach. You Skins fans should want anything but that.

Its not that I want Rivera back but I'd like to know if we can use that early 1st on the best o lineman or secondary help vs a QB. And the only way to know that for sure is give Howell the season to show what he's got. Blowing a really early 1st can set your team back for years...

 

[facook]

The chances are probably low, but if Howell was decent to good and won some games Ron could claim Howell is "his guy" and buy another year as coach. You Skins fans should want anything but that.

Its not that I want Rivera back but I'd like to know if we can use that early 1st on the best o lineman or secondary help vs a QB. And the only way to know that for sure is give Howell the season to show what he's got. Blowing a really early 1st can set your team back for years...

Yes it can. Signed, a 49ers fan.

I do get that. It's a real catch 22...you need to know if Howell is any good and what to do with a high draft pick, but if Ron comes back chances are he blows that pick anyway.