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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Commanders Thread (7 Viewers)

Prior to Hackett being fired by DEN, the last coach fired by a new owner was .... Ron Rivera by David Tepper. Rivera survived 1.5 years under Tepper after he bought the team in 2018. So Ron's got a nice gig going of getting paid by owners in turmoil.
 
Sam Howell starting this week. Personally, I think he probably should have been starting all along, but I've been a huge fan of his since UNC. Looking forward to seeing him play, though it sucks for him, that his 1st sgtart will be against a motivated top-3 defense.
 
Sam Howell starting this week. Personally, I think he probably should have been starting all along, but I've been a huge fan of his since UNC. Looking forward to seeing him play, though it sucks for him, that his 1st sgtart will be against a motivated top-3 defense.

Agree. It's a tough spot for Howell to be thrown into. It might not go well, but at least he is getting his feet wet. Now the fact that Ron had to be talked into this by others in the organization is mind blowing....simply mind blowing. Listening to his conference, it's almost like Heinicke was among those telling him to do it. Maybe Taylor understandably doesn't want to get killed and look bad heading into free agency.
 
Sam Howell starting this week. Personally, I think he probably should have been starting all along, but I've been a huge fan of his since UNC. Looking forward to seeing him play, though it sucks for him, that his 1st sgtart will be against a motivated top-3 defense.

Agree. It's a tough spot for Howell to be thrown into. It might not go well, but at least he is getting his feet wet. Now the fact that Ron had to be talked into this by others in the organization is mind blowing....simply mind blowing. Listening to his conference, it's almost like Heinicke was among those telling him to do it. Maybe Taylor understandably doesn't want to get killed and look bad heading into free agency.

You guys are so screwed....Ron and the whole staff need to go, but firing all of them is really bad for the sale of the team. It's a real Catch 22: keep the crappy staff or keep the crappy owner. Probably can't get rid of both.
 
PTI shat all over Rivera for the decision to start Wentz, and Wilbon is a Rivera fan. But they hammered the fact that Wentz does NOT have the support of his teammates like Heinicke, and that Wentz gave WASH exactly what everyone expected him too. The decision made zero sense and was just a horrible coaching decision. Or should I say ANOTHER horrible decision.
 
I think not having the new owner in place yet really hurts this team. If we did, just seems there would be plenty of momentum to clean house (what we all want) and have some hope for next year assuming we can get a competent staff in here. I actually would be okay keeping Jack, the defense did improve and dealt with a lot of injuries, but I'm so ready to move on from Ron and Turner. ESPECIALLY Turner.
 
I think not having the new owner in place yet really hurts this team. If we did, just seems there would be plenty of momentum to clean house (what we all want) and have some hope for next year assuming we can get a competent staff in here. I actually would be okay keeping Jack, the defense did improve and dealt with a lot of injuries, but I'm so ready to move on from Ron and Turner. ESPECIALLY Turner.
There's no hurry. This team's been **** for 20 years.
 
There's some real love for Scott Turner in the comments at PFT:

Thanks for the memories, Scott!

Thanks for all the up the middle runs on every single 3rd and 1.

Thanks for passing and lining up in shotgun to pass any time the team was inside the 3 yard line.

Thanks for calling plays that took way too long to develop vs. lightning speed defenses on 4th down

Thanks for all the jet sweeps to Curtis samual (side note: CURTIS SAMUEL HAS STOLEN MORE MONEY FROM THIS TEAM THEN ALBERT HAYNESWORTH)

Thank you for never trying to double team Micah parsons

Thank you for the zero halftime adjustments

Scott “my dad got me this job” Turner, Washington fans will miss you.
 
I think not having the new owner in place yet really hurts this team. If we did, just seems there would be plenty of momentum to clean house (what we all want) and have some hope for next year assuming we can get a competent staff in here. I actually would be okay keeping Jack, the defense did improve and dealt with a lot of injuries, but I'm so ready to move on from Ron and Turner. ESPECIALLY Turner.
Yeah - I do think there are a lot of available coaches that would be an upgrade. I’m not sure any would pick WAS though with the uncertainty of the ownership situation.

Someone like Ben Johnson (Det OC) would seem like an ideal candidate in a normal situation to make up for some of the other young bright coaches that Washington let get away. He’s probably too bright to pick working for Snyder.
 
Do you realize how easily this team could have made the playoffs?
Start Howell 2 months ago and we’d be a top 3 seed. I honestly believe that
We’d have a better understanding of his potential as a starter. That’s all that mattered this year.

This year was trash all around on the field. Bad coaching especially on offense. Mostly bad offseason moves. $28m for wentz and $12m for William Jackson. That’s $40m could have been used on OL and other needs. Now stuck w another useless mid 1st round pick.

Not much went right IMO. Except a glimmer of hope Danny S is done.
 
Obviously the big question this offseason is what to do at QB. Given three options:

1. Sign prominent free agent, such as Derek Carr (expensive but experienced)

2. Bring in cheap vet such as Gardner Minshew-level or mid round draft pick and have a QB competition w Howell

3. Focus FA and draft 100% on other positions and have a competition between Howell and Heinicke.

Which would YOU do?

Also, which do you think RIVERA will do?

Option #2 might be a nice path IMO but I fear Rivera will do # 1...

Thoughts?
 
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I want Howell as our starter. We've seen so many QBs come in, the 49ers rookie for example, that have put up solid to damn good numbers, who cares if they aren't day one draft picks. You have to have a good system in place for a QB to thrive. We have the offensive skill weapons, but we need to improve the offensive line and get a real offensive coordinator. We do that and this team wins 10+ games a year no problem with the talent we have already in place. The defense is legit. Our punter is a stud (yes, that matters too) and we have 2 solid if not very good RBs. Time to invest in the line and reap the benefits of the talent we already have in place. And yes, I think we need a new head coach that is more with the times and knows where we stand in the playoff hunt :bag:
 
Obviously the big question this offseason is what to do at QB. Given three options:

1. Sign prominent free agent, such as Derek Carr (expensive but experienced)
This scares the hell out of me after McNabb, Fitzpatrick, Alex Smith, Keenum, and Wentz.
 
I want Howell as our starter. We've seen so many QBs come in, the 49ers rookie for example, that have put up solid to damn good numbers, who cares if they aren't day one draft picks. You have to have a good system in place for a QB to thrive. We have the offensive skill weapons, but we need to improve the offensive line and get a real offensive coordinator. We do that and this team wins 10+ games a year no problem with the talent we have already in place. The defense is legit. Our punter is a stud (yes, that matters too) and we have 2 solid if not very good RBs. Time to invest in the line and reap the benefits of the talent we already have in place. And yes, I think we need a new head coach that is more with the times and knows where we stand in the playoff hunt :bag:
I totally agree. I'd like to give the kid a shot. He does have the infamous "arm talent" Heinicke lacks. He can throw the damn thing 50 yards down field and hit McLaurin in stride. I also notice his ball placement is much better than Heinicke. On multiple throws, such as the first TD throw, he's hitting guys in stride which allows them to run after the catch. "Catch radius" is nice but it's BETTER to have a QB put it where the guy can easily catch it and keep running. He seems to have the ability to do that. And he can run. He did all this vs. an elite defense.

OK, I'm not stupid. I know it's too early to say he'll be a franchise QB or even pan out as a starter. But I am saying he has some skill; why not put him in the mix and give him a shot.

Pundits will argue: "he's a 5th rounder. 5th rounders seldom become starters." This is BS IMO. If he comes out a year earlier, he's a lock as a first round pick. If Howell was a first round pick and had that exact same game, NO ONE is saying trade for Derek Carr. No one. It's all perception based on where you were selected.

The other thing is, from a team building perspective -- he's under a rookie contract as a 5th rounder. You want to resign Daron Payne? This is how you do it. Don't over think it...give him a shot.

That said, I expect Rivera to F this up. Seriously I do.
 
Obviously the big question this offseason is what to do at QB. Given three options:

1. Sign prominent free agent, such as Derek Carr (expensive but experienced)
This scares the hell out of me after McNabb, Fitzpatrick, Alex Smith, Keenum, and Wentz.
I expect Ron Rivera is gonna think this is a hot seat year for him, so he's gonna mortgage our future on a guy like Carr or god forbid Brady or Rogers. I fear this more than I fear Death itself.
 
Obviously the big question this offseason is what to do at QB. Given three options:

1. Sign prominent free agent, such as Derek Carr (expensive but experienced)
This scares the hell out of me after McNabb, Fitzpatrick, Alex Smith, Keenum, and Wentz.
I expect Ron Rivera is gonna think this is a hot seat year for him, so he's gonna mortgage our future on a guy like Carr or god forbid Brady or Rogers. I fear this more than I fear Death itself.
Yep. Ownership change will happen too late to make coaching changes. So, we'll have a coaching staff that probably feels like they have to produce right away to keep their jobs.
 
What would I do. Plan to Start Howell. Sign heinicke to a $9m per 2 year contract to be the backup. (Assuming he would take it). Draft a qb in round 2 to develop. Draft a LT in round 1. Let Payne walk. Move Leno to LG. Use the $32m in cap space to sign OL depth, LB and a CB. Fire turner who might be the worst thing we have going… an oft fired qb coach that suddenly got promoted to OC. :bored:

What will Ron do. Trade every pick for Carr. IMO There is no way Ron is going to put his maybe last coaching job on Howell and there’s no GM to tell him he has to. He will Find 17 cut ex-Carolina panthers to fill in the holes. Extend turner and del rio through 2045 to take care of his guys.
 
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Howell, Heinicke, and a 1st round rookie drafted QB should compete for the QB job. Don't bring in any more retreads like Carr or Garoppolo.
Spend the rest of the draft improving the O-line, LB's, and the secondary. And draft a TE who can walk right in and replace Logan Thomas who's just a memory hanging around.

And **** can Scott Turner.

And re-sign Daron Payne.

And dump Wentz.
 
Payne really deserves credit for the year he had. Up til this season he underperformed. This season he played way, way better. Pay the man.
 
What would I do. Plan to Start Howell. Sign heinicke to a $9m per 2 year contract to be the backup. (Assuming he would take it). Draft a qb in round 2 to develop. Draft a LT in round 1. Let Payne walk. Move Leno to LG. Use the $32m in cap space to sign OL depth, LB and a CB. Fire turner who might be the worst thing we have going… an oft fired qb coach that suddenly got promoted to OC. :bored:

What will Ron do. Trade every pick for Carr. IMO There is no way Ron is going to put his maybe last coaching job on Howell and there’s no GM to tell him he has to. He will Find 17 cut ex-Carolina panthers to fill in the holes. Extend turner and del rio through 2045 to take care of his guys.

While I think Ron will desperately want to sign a re-tread, because that's the kind of backward mentality he has, I also wonder what if any role Snyder will play in offseason moves. On the one hand, if he's selling the team, he's checked out...what does he care. On the other hand, I'm wondering if Snyder -- unlike Ron -- has incentive to refrain from trading picks or locking the team into a high priced vet contract, on the thinking that prospective buyers would find that less attractive. I would think buyers would value walking in with cap space and draft picks so they can do their own thing, not just inherit all of Snyder's big decisions? Let's say Ron wants to sign away picks and a huge portion of the cap for Carr...does Snyder sign off on that?

So many moving pieces...
 
What would I do. Plan to Start Howell. Sign heinicke to a $9m per 2 year contract to be the backup. (Assuming he would take it). Draft a qb in round 2 to develop. Draft a LT in round 1. Let Payne walk. Move Leno to LG. Use the $32m in cap space to sign OL depth, LB and a CB. Fire turner who might be the worst thing we have going… an oft fired qb coach that suddenly got promoted to OC. :bored:

What will Ron do. Trade every pick for Carr. IMO There is no way Ron is going to put his maybe last coaching job on Howell and there’s no GM to tell him he has to. He will Find 17 cut ex-Carolina panthers to fill in the holes. Extend turner and del rio through 2045 to take care of his guys.

While I think Ron will desperately want to sign a re-tread, because that's the kind of backward mentality he has, I also wonder what if any role Snyder will play in offseason moves. On the one hand, if he's selling the team, he's checked out...what does he care. On the other hand, I'm wondering if Snyder -- unlike Ron -- has incentive to refrain from trading picks or locking the team into a high priced vet contract, on the thinking that prospective buyers would find that less attractive. I would think buyers would value walking in with cap space and draft picks so they can do their own thing, not just inherit all of Snyder's big decisions? Let's say Ron wants to sign away picks and a huge portion of the cap for Carr...does Snyder sign off on that?

So many moving pieces...

A prospective buyer doesn't care about the current make up of the team. The contract lengths are so short term that it's almost irrelevant.
 
Turner officially gone.
I don't wish the guy ill and hope he lands on his feet. But he did underperform fairly significantly. The question is, who do you get to replace him with all the organizational uncertainty. I'm wondering if they fill from within, with a guy like Zampese? No, not a super OC, but are you gonna get one to come here on a one year flyer?

Either way, Scott had to go...
 
Turner officially gone.
The first most important domino to fall (well, 2nd to Snyder being gone but I assume that's a done deal in the coming months) I say buy low on McLaurin and Dotson. With a real QB and real OC, they really could be a fantastic tandem in FF. I think what Terry has done with the dog pile of QB and Coaches he's had since entering the league is nothing short of amazing.
 
I'd love to see someone come in who is super innovative and ground-breaking. But, I'll settle for someone who can get the offense to the point that it's simply doing the things the rest of the league has been doing for years. Why do we never throw the quick-hitters when DBs are playing way off on early downs, using those as an extension of the run game? My sons and I are always complaining, "Can we please just run a slant?" When was the last time we threw a back shoulder fade? RPO seems like it's run much more often by much of the league. QB sneaks in inches-to-go situations also seem rarer than league average. Why do we suck so badly at screens?
 
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I'd love to see someone come in who is super innovative and ground-breaking. But, I'll settle for someone who can get the offense to the point that it's simply doing the things the rest of the league has been doing for years. Why do we never throw the quick-hitters when DBs are playing way off on early downs, using those as an extension of the run game? My sons and I are always complaining, "Can we please just run a slant?" When was the last time we threw a bad shoulder fade? RPO seems like it's run much more often by much of the league. QB sneaks in inches-to-go situations also seem rarer than league average. Why do we suck so badly at screens?
Totally agree. I don't know why for the life of me why we never run those quick hitters -- particularly as that's one way to get the ball out of QB's hands when you have a ****e offensive line. I think Turner was not competent and it's probably good he's gone.
 
I'd love to see someone come in who is super innovative and ground-breaking. But, I'll settle for someone who can get the offense to the point that it's simply doing the things the rest of the league has been doing for years. Why do we never throw the quick-hitters when DBs are playing way off on early downs, using those as an extension of the run game? My sons and I are always complaining, "Can we please just run a slant?" When was the last time we threw a bad shoulder fade? RPO seems like it's run much more often by much of the league. QB sneaks in inches-to-go situations also seem rarer than league average. Why do we suck so badly at screens?
Yeah, there are some good, young QB coaches that may be looking for a promotion. Would settle for something middle of the pack though.

Slightly concerned Rivera will go for another retread buddy that he has a connection to, as he seems to do that a lot. Probably end up with someone who has been out of the league for years like Chudzinski.
 
The first most important domino to fall (well, 2nd to Snyder being gone but I assume that's a done deal in the coming months) I say buy low on McLaurin and Dotson. With a real QB and real OC, they really could be a fantastic tandem in FF. I think what Terry has done with the dog pile of QB and Coaches he's had since entering the league is nothing short of amazing.
Probably should wait to see who Riviera hires as OC. With his penchant for former Panthers, he might hire Luke Kuechly.

It was past time for Turner to go. He underperformed constantly and didn't seem to understand play on the field, preferring clever play diagrams instead.
 
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...fresh-start-oc-fire-scott-turner?platform=amp

Near the end, players and others in the organization grumbled about the inconsistency of Washington's offensive philosophy. There appeared to be a divide between Rivera's vision for what he wanted offensively -- led by a power run game -- and Turner's vertical passing attack. During their season-finale news conference, Rivera and general manager Martin Mayhew both emphasized the desire to be more of a physical running team.
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Some players complained that it took too long in some games to get the ball to key playmakers such as McLaurin. Or, some players said, they'd get away from a formula that was working in games. Others said they liked the offense but wanted to see changes in the way it was taught. It also was considered a difficult offense for quarterbacks to learn, with perhaps not as much flexibility built in for them at the line of scrimmage.

There was concern throughout the year about the direction of the offense. One source said Rivera sat in on more offensive meetings this season to get a better feel for what was transpiring. One person whose team played Washington this season said the Commanders lacked an offensive identity and simply called a collection of plays, leading to some predictability.
 
Mayhew and Rivera will meet with ownership this coming Monday. I think dumping Turner this quickly was done for job security reasons.

7 wins
7 wins
8 wins
 
This truly is bad:

The Commanders finished a third consecutive season with poor offensive rankings. They were 20th in total yards and 26th in points. Their best rankings in Turner's three seasons were 23rd in points and 21st in yards -- both occurring last season.
So, they’ve been at their best with Heinicke. They treated him horribly by going to Wentz against Cleveland. Im not saying he’s been good enough, but he’s been the best they’ve had despite multiple attempts to get better.
 
So, they’ve been at their best with Heinicke. They treated him horribly by going to Wentz against Cleveland. Im not saying he’s been good enough, but he’s been the best they’ve had despite multiple attempts to get better.
Exactly. Yet Rivera went against him in the Cleveland game, with awful results. There's no way there was no locker room dissatisfaction with choosing Wentz for that game.

Choosing Wentz for the Cleveland game was another sign Rivera feels his job is threatened.
 
Glad turner is gone. Not sure what to replace him with and it’s not gonna be easy to get a top candidate here. Maybe someone that thinks they can eventually get Ron’s job under a new owner. Zampese more likely but I’d love an outsider.

I’d really like to see heinicke here as a backup. He managed to succeed more than any other under a horrid OC. Maybe he’s better than I give him credit for w the OC holding everyone back . And he’s certainly a capable backup. I don’t think he’s the starter. Howell has more potential.

Other than qb … I think LT, LB and TE are the biggest needs. I didn’t think TE was a big need under turner cause he doesn’t use anyone right. But with a new OC, a guy like Mayer could really be a weapon and free up all these weapons. And we do have weapons. Leno really needs to move to LG. It would make the line better instantly. The qb will struggle if they don’t fix that side if the OL.

I’d find a top LB in Free Agency. Need someone that can produce instantly.
 
Is Mayer worth the mid first though? I had such high hopes for Cole Turner and man he looked great in camp last year but that never materialized in the season.
 
Three-year coaching records in Washington:
Joe Gibbs, 2.0: 21-27, 1 playoff appearance (9-7/playoffs in year 4)
Mike Shanahan: 21-27, 1 NFC East title (3-13 in year 4),
Jay Gruden: 21-26-1, 1 NFCE title (7-9 in year 4)
Ron Rivera: 22-27-1, 1 NFCE title
 
Three-year coaching records in Washington:
Joe Gibbs, 2.0: 21-27, 1 playoff appearance (9-7/playoffs in year 4)
Mike Shanahan: 21-27, 1 NFC East title (3-13 in year 4),
Jay Gruden: 21-26-1, 1 NFCE title (7-9 in year 4)
Ron Rivera: 22-27-1, 1 NFCE title
Gibbs had two playoff appearances. Peak Snyder Era.
 
Is Mayer worth the mid first though? I had such high hopes for Cole Turner and man he looked great in camp last year but that never materialized in the season.
I think this depends on the scheme. Another TE might be available round 2 and serve the same purpose.

I’d love to have a top TE seeing what KC, Philly, NE and others have done with that type over the past 10 years. Even what we could do with jordan reed when he was healthy. At the same time, it’s certainly not the level of need that we have at QB, LT, and run stopping LB.

Qb simply has to get solved and not with a 1 year guy. Need consistency and production for 5+ years.
 

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