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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (1 Viewer)

exactly. By the time McNabb is reasonably done, Colt will be what...30, 31? How many QB of the futures do u know kick start their career at that time? The Redskins QB of the future isn't on the roster yet. Sorry Cult of Colt fans :P
With the Redskins not drafting a qb, I would still put the chances of Colt making the team at about 50%. He is going to compete with an undrafted free agent or the other qb they already have on their roster for the 3rd string position.
 
I don't mind them passing on a 'QB of the future' this year. It's tough to justify a QB of the Future when you are without several Linemen Of The Present.

 
I don't mind them passing on a 'QB of the future' this year. It's tough to justify a QB of the Future when you are without several Linemen Of The Present.
I'm not a football guru, but maybe the 'skins management feels that there are going to be better QBs available next year, so they are waiting a draft to find the QB of the future? I don't know, it's a question, not a statement. But I did hear some comments during the draft about how deep next year's draft is going to be. So maybe, just maybe, we have a front office that can actually think ahead???
 
I don't mind them passing on a 'QB of the future' this year. It's tough to justify a QB of the Future when you are without several Linemen Of The Present.
I'm not a football guru, but maybe the 'skins management feels that there are going to be better QBs available next year, so they are waiting a draft to find the QB of the future? I don't know, it's a question, not a statement. But I did hear some comments during the draft about how deep next year's draft is going to be. So maybe, just maybe, we have a front office that can actually think ahead???
That and maybe there was not a QB available to them that they liked. I don't think they should have used a late round pick on a QB just because it is a need. They need to (and hopefully did) take players who they think can make this team. No use taking a QB who they don't think much of. Hopefully there will be actual picks next year that we can use on a QB.
 
exactly. By the time McNabb is reasonably done, Colt will be what...30, 31? How many QB of the futures do u know kick start their career at that time? The Redskins QB of the future isn't on the roster yet. Sorry Cult of Colt fans :unsure:
Off the top of my head?Gannon, Green, Delhomme(solid for a few years and went to a Super Bowl), Warner, Maddox (stretch?)He may not be a "QB of the future", but there is always a project QB on the roster and by not drafting a QB himself he must believe Colt can be that guy. Not sure what the big deal is. When Daniels was taken everyone knew it meant Colt had competition. Shanny has been preaching competition at every position. Right now Colt has none. He is set as the third QB. That may change, but it would have been easy for Shanny to bring in "his own guy" to groom as a QB3. He didn't. He took a project FB instead. I hope you guys aren;t taking me as a Cult guy. I really don't care. In fact I was hoping for LeFevour or Pike to compete with Colt. I'd much rather have rolled the dice with one of them at no risk instead of converting a TE no one has ever heard of, and might have went undrafted, into a fullback.
 
How many of those guys you listed went up the ranks with the team that drafted them to eventually take over? None of them. Gannon bounced around forever. We all know the Trent Green story. Delhomme earned shine with the Saints, Warner is a once in a decade type story. Tommy Maddox? I ain't going there :bag: I like Colt. I'm just trying to look at it from a more realistic point of view.

The TE-FB pick was kind of stretch I agree. But it gives competition to Sellers who needs it. He made some bad plays last year and is likely no part of the long term plans either.

 
By Rich Tandler

Redskins Correspondent

CSNwashington.com

If you came here looking for a grade of the Washington Redskins’ just completed draft, you may want to check back in this space in about three or four years. It takes that long to see how the drafted players develop and decide who’s a hit and who’s a bust.

That doesn’t mean that we can’t do some dissection of the selections, and look at some of the upside of the pick along with some of the potential pitfalls. Here goes with some pros and cons of each of the Redskins’ six picks. We’ll also look at another player on the board at the time of each selection who might have been a better pick.

Offensive tackle Trent Williams, Oklahoma (1st round/4th overall pick)

Pros: Williams has great overall athletic ability, including an impressive time of 4.8 seconds in the 40-yard dash. Most scouts agree that he has a tremendous upside, and he could well end up being the best lineman of the draft class. And, best of all, he fits the team’s most pressing need. They almost had to come out of the draft with a starting-caliber left tackle.

Cons: He played left tackle at Oklahoma just this past season, and while he improved as the year went on, he did struggle at times. It may take him some time to get adjusted to the position and, hopefully, Donovan McNabb will stay in one piece during the transition. Russell Okung, who should be effective right out of the gate, may have been a better pick due to the immediate need.

Left on the board: Okung, Oklahoma (Seattle (1st/6).

Linebacker Perry Riley, LSU (4th/103)

Pros: As the Redskins transition to the 3-4 defense, they have found themselves a bit thin at inside linebacker, and the status of both of the projected starters is shaky. London Fletcher will be 35 in May, and while he has been exceptionally durable and effective, he can’t last forever. Rocky McIntosh skipped the recent voluntary minicamp due to unhappiness over his contract, and even if he comes in, he has just a year left on his deal. The Redskins need to build some depth at the inside spot, and Riley might develop into a good alternative.

Cons: Riley doesn’t have very good instincts, and those only can be taught to a certain extent. He has a tendency to bite on play-action fakes, something that can get you into a lot of trouble in the NFL.

Left on the board: Running back Joe McKnight, USC (Jets, 4th/112)—The high-mileage trio of running backs won’t be around much longer, and McKnight might have been a good pick to be the next prime back.

Tight end Dennis Morris, Louisiana Tech (6th/174)

Pros: Morris has good size and is a hustling, tenacious blocker. He also can catch pretty well as he scored 12 touchdowns receiving to lead the nation’s tight ends. Against Boise State he made a spectacular grab in the end zone, leaping and reaching to the other side of the defender for the touchdown. The Redskins coaches told him that he would play tight end, fullback, and H-back.

Cons: He duplicates a lot of what Sean Ryan, signed as a free agent this offseason, does. One easily could see Morris being caught in a roster numbers crunch and getting released in camp.

On the board: Offensive tackle Sam Young (Dallas, 6th/179)—Should develop into a starter or quality depth before Selvish Capers, the team’s 7th-round pick.

Wide receiver/returner Terrence Austin, UCLA (7th/219)

Pros: The Redskins have not had a true return specialist in many years, and Austin could have the right stuff to cover both kickoff and punt returns. Austin averaged 13.8 yards per punt return in his senior year. He could be a legitimate reserve as a receiver as he started there for two years for the Bruins and finished his career there with a streak of 27 games with at least one reception.

Cons: If he can’t cut it as a receiver, it’s hard to find a roster spot for a return specialist unless he is truly explosive. While Austin proved to be steady, he didn’t break many long returns.

Still on the board: Running back LeGarrett Blount, Oregon (undrafted)—See above about the need to add a younger set of legs to the three aging backs on the roster. There were some legitimate character concerns after he punched a Boise State player after a game, but there’s not much risk in investing a seventh-round pick in a talented back.

Center Erik Cook, New Mexico (7th, 229)

Pros: He can serve as a backup at both guard and center, and then take over for Casey Rabach at center in a year or two. If, at 6-6, he proves to be too tall for the center position, he could challenge for a guard spot.

Cons: Not much to dislike here, really. While he has good fundamentals, he is not very athletic. That could present a challenge in the zone blocking scheme.

On the board: Defensive tackle Howard David Brown (7th/241, Tennessee)—For the time being, the Redskins have some dept at the 3-4 defensive end position, but age (Phillip Daniels) and expiring contracts (Kedric Golston) could change that in a hurry. David could bide his time for a year on the practice squad and see what the landscape looks like next year.

Tackle Selvish Capers, West Virginia (7th, 231)

Pros: Capers potentially is an excellent value pick. Most draft boards had him as a second or third round pick, and the Redskins were fortunate to have him fall into their laps so late in the draft. He could be the starting right tackle in 2011.

Cons: Capers needs to play more aggressively and that is hard to coach. He is a converted tight end and he still is learning the tackle position.

Still on the board: Quarterback Jevan Snead, Ole Miss (undrafted)—The Redskins need a quarterback to develop, and Colt Brennan may not prove to be worth developing. Snead would be a perfect project since he has demonstrated potential. He left Ole Miss a year early so he could benefit from a couple of redshirt seasons.

 
"Everything has changed since Coach Shanahan got here," Campbell said. "All of a sudden, guys are doing what they're supposed to do in the weight room and getting focused on trying to get better in the offseason. You see crazy stuff going on sometimes and you think it must be like this in every organization, and then Coach Shanahan comes in and you realize that's not the way it's supposed to be. I think I did some good things as a young quarterback in this league, but it comes down to winning. We didn't win so they made a change, and now I'm going to someplace that hopefully will be better for me."
A class individual.
 
Shanny has been preaching competition at every position. Right now Colt has none. He is set as the third QB.
There's a 4th guy whose name escapes me who was signed awhile back to compete with Brennan.
Ah yes. Mr Fodder, Camp.
"Everything has changed since Coach Shanahan got here," Campbell said. "All of a sudden, guys are doing what they're supposed to do in the weight room and getting focused on trying to get better in the offseason. You see crazy stuff going on sometimes and you think it must be like this in every organization, and then Coach Shanahan comes in and you realize that's not the way it's supposed to be. I think I did some good things as a young quarterback in this league, but it comes down to winning. We didn't win so they made a change, and now I'm going to someplace that hopefully will be better for me."
A class individual.
And now he has to go back to the unstructured craziness in Oakland. Maybe he'll step up there and help right the ship. I'll be rooting for him.
 
Shanny has been preaching competition at every position. Right now Colt has none. He is set as the third QB.
There's a 4th guy whose name escapes me who was signed awhile back to compete with Brennan.
Ah yes. Mr Fodder, Camp.
"Everything has changed since Coach Shanahan got here," Campbell said. "All of a sudden, guys are doing what they're supposed to do in the weight room and getting focused on trying to get better in the offseason. You see crazy stuff going on sometimes and you think it must be like this in every organization, and then Coach Shanahan comes in and you realize that's not the way it's supposed to be. I think I did some good things as a young quarterback in this league, but it comes down to winning. We didn't win so they made a change, and now I'm going to someplace that hopefully will be better for me."
A class individual.
And now he has to go back to the unstructured craziness in Oakland. Maybe he'll step up there and help right the ship. I'll be rooting for him.
Some camp fodder earn their way onto the opening day roster. I am already on record that a lot of undraft free agents will make this team. I would also include the camp fodder that is already on the roster. It would not surprise me at all if Brennan loses the 3rd string qb job to a UDFA or to Mr. Fodder.

 
From what I've read in the last month the coaching staff is not high on Colt Brennan. Here's on predraft article:

Grossman already knows most of the offense; he was in Houston last year while Kyle Shanahan was the offensive coordinator. He might be teaching the finer points to McNabb and backups Colt Brennan and Richard Bartel.

This minicamp is critical for Brennan and Bartel. It is their last chance to make an impression on Shanahan prior to the draft. Should either one show some promise, Shanahan might not plan to target a quarterback at some point late in the draft. If one or both fail to meet his expectations, we should look for a quarterback to be drafted, a decision that almost certainly would mean the end for both Brennan and Bartel.
linkAnd they just signed Daryll Clark.

Redskins' General Manager Bruce Allen said Saturday the team would pursue an undrafted quarterback, and they've apparently found one they liked. The team has signed Penn State quarterback Daryll Clark as an undrafted rookie free agent, according to WFMJ-TV in Youngstown, Ohio.

A two-year starter, Clark is Penn State's all-time leader in touchdowns (43) and also set single-season marks his senior year in passing yards (3,003) and touchdowns (24). Clark reportedly also had offers the Vikings, Packers and Rams and there were rumors he'd signed Saturday night with the Steelers.

If the television report is true, Clark would become the team's fifth quarterback on its roster, joinign Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman, Colt Brennan and Richard Bartel. The Vindicator, Clark's hometown newspaper in Youngstown, reported Sunday afternoon that Clark had yet to sign with a team, but the Redskins appeared to be the front-runner. "That's still pending, though," his father, Daryll Sr., told the Vindicator. The Penn State campus newspaper, The Daily Collegian, confirmed with Clark later Sunday that he did indeed sign with Washington.
linkAt least one guy thinks Clark has a shot at being QB3

Update:, 5:25: The Daily Collegian is reporting that Daryll Clark will head to the Washington Redskins, having signed a free agent contract. The Redskins depth chart at QB is pretty weak, especially after trading Jason Campbell to Washington. After Donovan McNabb, it’s just Rex Grossman, Colt Brennan, and some guy named Richard Bartel, from Tarleton State, which I had no idea existed. It’s very possible that if Clark plays well, he could earn the backup job. He should almost assuredly stick as the number three guy. For Clark, this is the best situation imaginable. When you hear the talking heads say that for some players, it’s better to go undrafted, this is exactly what they’re talking about.
linkAll of that proves nothing of course. But I don't think Brennan has the #3 job locked up, and I'd love to see an honest 3-way competition for the spot in camp.

 
Also from one of the links in my previous post:

While the team's list of signed undrafted free agents continues to grow today, the Redskins have also invited a handful of players in for tryouts, including Murray State receiver Derrick Townsel, Stanford safety Bo McNally, Wisconsin linebacker Jaevery McFadden and Colorado State safety Klint Kubiak.
 
For now, we know they've locked up the following players:

Ohio State safety Anderson Russell

UCLA tight end Logan Paulsen

Eastern Arizona defensive tackle Marques Slocum

LSU running back Keiland Williams

Penn State quarterback Daryll Clark

Troy running back Maurice Greer
Rick Maese
 
From what I've read in the last month the coaching staff is not high on Colt Brennan. Here's on predraft article:

Grossman already knows most of the offense; he was in Houston last year while Kyle Shanahan was the offensive coordinator. He might be teaching the finer points to McNabb and backups Colt Brennan and Richard Bartel.

This minicamp is critical for Brennan and Bartel. It is their last chance to make an impression on Shanahan prior to the draft. Should either one show some promise, Shanahan might not plan to target a quarterback at some point late in the draft. If one or both fail to meet his expectations, we should look for a quarterback to be drafted, a decision that almost certainly would mean the end for both Brennan and Bartel.
linkAnd they just signed Daryll Clark.

Redskins' General Manager Bruce Allen said Saturday the team would pursue an undrafted quarterback, and they've apparently found one they liked. The team has signed Penn State quarterback Daryll Clark as an undrafted rookie free agent, according to WFMJ-TV in Youngstown, Ohio.

A two-year starter, Clark is Penn State's all-time leader in touchdowns (43) and also set single-season marks his senior year in passing yards (3,003) and touchdowns (24). Clark reportedly also had offers the Vikings, Packers and Rams and there were rumors he'd signed Saturday night with the Steelers.

If the television report is true, Clark would become the team's fifth quarterback on its roster, joinign Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman, Colt Brennan and Richard Bartel. The Vindicator, Clark's hometown newspaper in Youngstown, reported Sunday afternoon that Clark had yet to sign with a team, but the Redskins appeared to be the front-runner. "That's still pending, though," his father, Daryll Sr., told the Vindicator. The Penn State campus newspaper, The Daily Collegian, confirmed with Clark later Sunday that he did indeed sign with Washington.
linkAt least one guy thinks Clark has a shot at being QB3

Update:, 5:25: The Daily Collegian is reporting that Daryll Clark will head to the Washington Redskins, having signed a free agent contract. The Redskins depth chart at QB is pretty weak, especially after trading Jason Campbell to Washington. After Donovan McNabb, it’s just Rex Grossman, Colt Brennan, and some guy named Richard Bartel, from Tarleton State, which I had no idea existed. It’s very possible that if Clark plays well, he could earn the backup job. He should almost assuredly stick as the number three guy. For Clark, this is the best situation imaginable. When you hear the talking heads say that for some players, it’s better to go undrafted, this is exactly what they’re talking about.
linkAll of that proves nothing of course. But I don't think Brennan has the #3 job locked up, and I'd love to see an honest 3-way competition for the spot in camp.
With the signing of Daryll Clark, I think that greatly reduces the chances of Brennan making the team. Most teams only carry 4 qbs going into training camp, so there is a good chance that either Bartel or Brennan will be cut prior to training camp. Then there will be a two way battle for the 3rd string qb position.
 
All I'll say on Cult is Clark, Shmark.

Also from one of the links in my previous post:

While the team's list of signed undrafted free agents continues to grow today, the Redskins have also invited a handful of players in for tryouts, including Murray State receiver Derrick Townsel, Stanford safety Bo McNally, Wisconsin linebacker Jaevery McFadden and Colorado State safety Klint Kubiak.
Followed my hunch

http://www.csurams.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt...ak_klint00.html

Personal: Given name Klint Alexander Kubiak...Born Feb. 17, 1987, in Houston, Texas...Is engaged to CSU volleyball student-athlete Tessa Nelson, the preseason Co-Player of the Year in the Mountain West Conference, with plans for a summer 2010 wedding...Son of Gary and Rhonda Kubiak...Has two brothers, including Klay, a sophomore QB on the CSU roster...Other brother, Klein, is a freshman WR at Rice...Father, Gary, is the head coach of the NFL's Houston Texans and went to five Super Bowls with the Denver Broncos, including three during his nine-year playing career...Majoring in restaurant and resort management...Hometown: Englewood, Colo.

 
From what I've read in the last month the coaching staff is not high on Colt Brennan. Here's on predraft article:

Grossman already knows most of the offense; he was in Houston last year while Kyle Shanahan was the offensive coordinator. He might be teaching the finer points to McNabb and backups Colt Brennan and Richard Bartel.

This minicamp is critical for Brennan and Bartel. It is their last chance to make an impression on Shanahan prior to the draft. Should either one show some promise, Shanahan might not plan to target a quarterback at some point late in the draft. If one or both fail to meet his expectations, we should look for a quarterback to be drafted, a decision that almost certainly would mean the end for both Brennan and Bartel.
linkAnd they just signed Daryll Clark.

Redskins' General Manager Bruce Allen said Saturday the team would pursue an undrafted quarterback, and they've apparently found one they liked. The team has signed Penn State quarterback Daryll Clark as an undrafted rookie free agent, according to WFMJ-TV in Youngstown, Ohio.

A two-year starter, Clark is Penn State's all-time leader in touchdowns (43) and also set single-season marks his senior year in passing yards (3,003) and touchdowns (24). Clark reportedly also had offers the Vikings, Packers and Rams and there were rumors he'd signed Saturday night with the Steelers.

If the television report is true, Clark would become the team's fifth quarterback on its roster, joinign Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman, Colt Brennan and Richard Bartel. The Vindicator, Clark's hometown newspaper in Youngstown, reported Sunday afternoon that Clark had yet to sign with a team, but the Redskins appeared to be the front-runner. "That's still pending, though," his father, Daryll Sr., told the Vindicator. The Penn State campus newspaper, The Daily Collegian, confirmed with Clark later Sunday that he did indeed sign with Washington.
linkAt least one guy thinks Clark has a shot at being QB3

Update:, 5:25: The Daily Collegian is reporting that Daryll Clark will head to the Washington Redskins, having signed a free agent contract. The Redskins depth chart at QB is pretty weak, especially after trading Jason Campbell to Washington. After Donovan McNabb, it’s just Rex Grossman, Colt Brennan, and some guy named Richard Bartel, from Tarleton State, which I had no idea existed. It’s very possible that if Clark plays well, he could earn the backup job. He should almost assuredly stick as the number three guy. For Clark, this is the best situation imaginable. When you hear the talking heads say that for some players, it’s better to go undrafted, this is exactly what they’re talking about.
linkAll of that proves nothing of course. But I don't think Brennan has the #3 job locked up, and I'd love to see an honest 3-way competition for the spot in camp.
With the signing of Daryll Clark, I think that greatly reduces the chances of Brennan making the team. Most teams only carry 4 qbs going into training camp, so there is a good chance that either Bartel or Brennan will be cut prior to training camp. Then there will be a two way battle for the 3rd string qb position.
I dunno. When it comes down to the passing drills, Brennan will likely make Clark look poor. Clark was more of an athlete playing QB then a passer. Shanny has used QBs like him in the past so it will be interesting to see what happens.
 
I know they like this Riley kid at LB, but passing on Bruce Campbell in the 4th seemed a bit odd to me. Bruce was going round 1 in many mocks and was graded the 4th best OL by some scouts.

Team after team passed on him, so they obviously saw they same thing the Skins did. He must have some major off the field problems.

 
I know they like this Riley kid at LB, but passing on Bruce Campbell in the 4th seemed a bit odd to me. Bruce was going round 1 in many mocks and was graded the 4th best OL by some scouts.Team after team passed on him, so they obviously saw they same thing the Skins did. He must have some major off the field problems.
From what I understand, he had about a 4th round grade prior to the combine. His combine performance had many thinking he had shot up to the first round. But, apparently, teams didn't buy into it and kept their lower grade on him.
 
Followed my hunch

http://www.csurams.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt...ak_klint00.html

Personal: Given name Klint Alexander Kubiak...Born Feb. 17, 1987, in Houston, Texas...Is engaged to CSU volleyball student-athlete Tessa Nelson, the preseason Co-Player of the Year in the Mountain West Conference, with plans for a summer 2010 wedding...Son of Gary and Rhonda Kubiak...Has two brothers, including Klay, a sophomore QB on the CSU roster...Other brother, Klein, is a freshman WR at Rice...Father, Gary, is the head coach of the NFL's Houston Texans and went to five Super Bowls with the Denver Broncos, including three during his nine-year playing career...Majoring in restaurant and resort management...Hometown: Englewood, Colo.
Sounds like a favor done for Kyle Shanahan's former boss.
 
The reality is that Haynesworth and Shanahan want no part of each other, according to multiple sources close to both individuals. The problem is that too many suitors for Haynesworth know that and were unwilling to pay Washington’s price of at least a high second-round pick. The Redskins were hoping that the St. Louis Rams, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Detroit Lions or even Tennessee would pay that price this weekend.

The offers at this point included a bunch of third-round picks and other considerations, a Redskins source said. In Washington, where owner Dan Snyder has paid $32 million to Haynesworth since signing him as an unrestricted free agent in 2009, that’s just not going to get it done.
“Let’s just say, this has to be done carefully,” the Washington source said.

The plan is for the Redskins to essentially build a case against Haynesworth for Snyder while hoping that the price on Haynesworth goes up. A price increase for players is typical as the season gets closer or after it starts. Teams realize that the players they picked in the draft and free agency don’t fill their needs. That means that Haynesworth, who is hoping for a deal to Tennessee or Detroit to be reunited with former head coach Jeff Fisher or former coordinator Jim Schwartz, could be stuck in Washington until the trade deadline in October. That said, Haynesworth probably will be happy to oblige Shanahan in building a case for a trade. “Yeah, Albert can definitely [become a jerk],” a source close to Haynesworth said.
Shanahan and Haynesworth have only spoken once since Shanahan got the job, Shanahan explaining he wanted Haynesworth to move to nose tackle.
Jason Cole
 
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Selvish Capers may have been the steal of the draft—Capers was projected to be a second or third round pick by many draft analysts, but he went undrafted until the Redskins took him with the 231st pick. Apparently the draft boards of the 32 NFL teams did not jibe with that evaluation, but that doesn’t mean that he’s not a solid prospect. There are literally dozens of reasons why teams might bypass a given player late in the draft, and that doesn’t mean that the player is fatally flawed. Capers did, in fact, have a bad game in the Senior Bowl while facing Brandon Graham, the defensive end who became the Eagles first-round draft pick. That one contest may have boosted Graham’s draft stock as much as it depressed Capers’. That one matchup with Graham notwithstanding, Capers has solid credentials. He started for two years at left tackle in a good program, making the All-Big East team in his senior year. At 6-4, 308 he has ideal size for a tackle in the zone blocking system. Strength coach Ray Wright will work with him to add significant strength without adding much bulk. But if he can do that over the next year, Capers could find himself starting at right tackle in 2011.
It will be interesting to see where Dennis Morris ends up playing—The coaches told him that he would work as a tight end, his position at Louisiana Tech, fullback, and H-back. Morris may be hard to keep off of the field for long—he has a knack for making some spectacular plays—and the question is where he will fit in. Tight end seems to be set right now, but we don’t know what might happen with Chris Cooley and Fred Davis when Davis’ contract is up. It can be hard to pay big money to two tight ends. One might leave and Morris could fill the void. At fullback, Mike Sellers is 35 and a veteran of 15 professional seasons, 10 in the NFL and five in Canada. It is hard to see him suiting up for the 2012 season. Morris could end up filling that role in two years, if not sooner.
Rich Tandler
 
Marvelous said:
fatness said:
From what I've read in the last month the coaching staff is not high on Colt Brennan. Here's on predraft article:

Grossman already knows most of the offense; he was in Houston last year while Kyle Shanahan was the offensive coordinator. He might be teaching the finer points to McNabb and backups Colt Brennan and Richard Bartel.

This minicamp is critical for Brennan and Bartel. It is their last chance to make an impression on Shanahan prior to the draft. Should either one show some promise, Shanahan might not plan to target a quarterback at some point late in the draft. If one or both fail to meet his expectations, we should look for a quarterback to be drafted, a decision that almost certainly would mean the end for both Brennan and Bartel.
linkAnd they just signed Daryll Clark.

Redskins' General Manager Bruce Allen said Saturday the team would pursue an undrafted quarterback, and they've apparently found one they liked. The team has signed Penn State quarterback Daryll Clark as an undrafted rookie free agent, according to WFMJ-TV in Youngstown, Ohio.

A two-year starter, Clark is Penn State's all-time leader in touchdowns (43) and also set single-season marks his senior year in passing yards (3,003) and touchdowns (24). Clark reportedly also had offers the Vikings, Packers and Rams and there were rumors he'd signed Saturday night with the Steelers.

If the television report is true, Clark would become the team's fifth quarterback on its roster, joinign Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman, Colt Brennan and Richard Bartel. The Vindicator, Clark's hometown newspaper in Youngstown, reported Sunday afternoon that Clark had yet to sign with a team, but the Redskins appeared to be the front-runner. "That's still pending, though," his father, Daryll Sr., told the Vindicator. The Penn State campus newspaper, The Daily Collegian, confirmed with Clark later Sunday that he did indeed sign with Washington.
linkAt least one guy thinks Clark has a shot at being QB3

Update:, 5:25: The Daily Collegian is reporting that Daryll Clark will head to the Washington Redskins, having signed a free agent contract. The Redskins depth chart at QB is pretty weak, especially after trading Jason Campbell to Washington. After Donovan McNabb, it’s just Rex Grossman, Colt Brennan, and some guy named Richard Bartel, from Tarleton State, which I had no idea existed. It’s very possible that if Clark plays well, he could earn the backup job. He should almost assuredly stick as the number three guy. For Clark, this is the best situation imaginable. When you hear the talking heads say that for some players, it’s better to go undrafted, this is exactly what they’re talking about.
linkAll of that proves nothing of course. But I don't think Brennan has the #3 job locked up, and I'd love to see an honest 3-way competition for the spot in camp.
With the signing of Daryll Clark, I think that greatly reduces the chances of Brennan making the team. Most teams only carry 4 qbs going into training camp, so there is a good chance that either Bartel or Brennan will be cut prior to training camp. Then there will be a two way battle for the 3rd string qb position.
I've seen enough PSU football to know that this guy couldn't carry JC's jock. And despite my harsh critiques over the last two seasons of Jason, I really would like to be proven wrong because he is a man of integrity.

 
just when I didn't think I could get any more excited about a 6th round TE (after viewing less than half of his blocking video, which has me convinced he's going to be a key component to the running game), I took a look at this catch I had been hearing about.

Off the hook.

Canton Ohio is where I'll be in 2030, celebrating his 15-year career here in DC.

 
As for the Patriots' release of Adalius Thomas, King said: "It never worked. Scott Pioli and Bill Belichick I think probably have made two mistakes. They made the mistake with that Carolina receiver [Donald Hayes] early on in their era, and they made a mistake with Thomas. I'll just say this: In their defense, it was an honest mistake. In the Baltimore scheme, he did so many things. ... Sometimes in life, you project a guy to be a certain thing, to be one thing, and this guy was not. That's the way it goes sometimes. You can criticize them all you want, and they deserve to be criticized because it didn't work out, but I think there's a lot of teams that would have been willing to make the same effort they did."

King made a prediction on where Thomas will end up. "My original guess was the Jets, Baltimore or Miami. Now I'm sort of thinking Jets, Baltimore or Washington. Know this about Adalius Thomas, he has become an East Coast guy," King said. "He's not going to be able to go somewhere for a lot of money. If I were him -- and I think he'll do the same thing -- he's going to go somewhere for the right role."
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King made a prediction on where Thomas will end up. "My original guess was the Jets, Baltimore or Miami. Now I'm sort of thinking Jets, Baltimore or Washington. Know this about Adalius Thomas, he has become an East Coast guy," King said. "He's not going to be able to go somewhere for a lot of money. If I were him -- and I think he'll do the same thing -- he's going to go somewhere for the right role."
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I'm not sure there's a role open for him in D.C. From the previous link, it sounds like he thrived in Baltimore as the pass-rushing OLB in their 3-4. The 'Skins already have Carter and Orakpo on the roster to do that.
 
I'm not sure there's a role open for him in D.C. From the previous link, it sounds like he thrived in Baltimore as the pass-rushing OLB in their 3-4. The 'Skins already have Carter and Orakpo on the roster to do that.
I'm not sure Carter will ever be playing OLB for the Skins. I realize he's penciled in there, but that's just because they traded for Carriker and if he's healthy and plays well in camp he may bump Carter as DE.
 
I'm not sure there's a role open for him in D.C. From the previous link, it sounds like he thrived in Baltimore as the pass-rushing OLB in their 3-4. The 'Skins already have Carter and Orakpo on the roster to do that.
I'm not sure Carter will ever be playing OLB for the Skins. I realize he's penciled in there, but that's just because they traded for Carriker and if he's healthy and plays well in camp he may bump Carter as DE.
Carter is way too small to play 3-4 DE. He's either playing OLB in a 3-4 set or he's only playing situationally as a DE in 4-3 sets. He's far too talented and paid way too much to do just the latter.And even if Carter is out of the picture, you'd still have Orakpo and Thomas vying for the same position. That's leaving a lot of talent and/or money on the bench.
 
I'm not sure there's a role open for him in D.C. From the previous link, it sounds like he thrived in Baltimore as the pass-rushing OLB in their 3-4. The 'Skins already have Carter and Orakpo on the roster to do that.
I'm not sure Carter will ever be playing OLB for the Skins. I realize he's penciled in there, but that's just because they traded for Carriker and if he's healthy and plays well in camp he may bump Carter as DE.
Carter is way too small to play 3-4 DE. He's either playing OLB in a 3-4 set or he's only playing situationally as a DE in 4-3 sets. He's far too talented and paid way too much to do just the latter.And even if Carter is out of the picture, you'd still have Orakpo and Thomas vying for the same position. That's leaving a lot of talent and/or money on the bench.
exactly...if anything we NEED some athletic 3-4 OLBs. Is Orakpo going to be moved to the weak side?
 
I don't know about the rest of you, but alot about the 3-4 defense is unfamiliar to me because I've never followed a team that primarily runs a 3-4 before. Most of what I'm spewing here is what little I've gleaned from playing FF with IDPs and the chatter that goes on over in the IDP forum. Moral of the story is, take anything I say with a grain of salt. :)

That being said, when I look around at the OLBs for other 3-4 teams, very few if any scream "great coverage LB" at me. That could be because I'm unfamiliar with a lot of the particular players, though. Does anyone really even know how important it is for a 3-4 OLB to have great man-to-man coverage skills?

I'm starting to think that it's not all that important. I know we keep hearing that a lack of coverage ability was Carter's Achilles heel when SF switched to a 3-4, but maybe he was just really, really bad at it. It could be that someone with just average coverage skills could more than suffice as a 3-4 OLB (which I thought Orakpo got markedly better in coverage as the season went on, but I'm no talent scout and Orakpo's skills are wasted when he's not rushing the passer). I may pick Jene Bramel's brain through a PM and see what knowledge he can bestow upon me.

 
I know LT was considered a really good 3-4 coverage LB. But, other than him, I don't remember hearing too many receiving much praise for their coverage ability. Of course, he received praise for everything.

It doesn't seem to me that most 3-4 OLBs are asked to do too much man-to-man coverage. Looking at Pro Football Focus' ratings for OLBs, the 4-3 OLBs have higher pass coverage scores than the 3-4 OLBs. But, they also have lower ones. That indicates to me that they are asked to cover more.

Getting Jene's, or someone else's, input on the role of a 3-4 OLB would be good. Redskins fans waited until 2008 to be introduced to the WCO and 2010 for the 3-4.

 
Regarding all of this 3-4 talk, it seems to me historically speaking that the WOLB is generally a glorifed rush end. Teams usually put their best pass rusher at this position (i.e. Demarcus Ware, Derrick Thomas, Lawerence Taylor, etc.). When these guys drop back into coverage, it often catches the offense by surprise since most teams make it a priority to scheme against the defense's top pass rusher and generally aren't expecting him to drop back into pass coverage. Orakpo is the prototypical type of player for this position, imo.

The SOLB usually seem to be the better coverage guys (just my perception) but they still need to be able to effectively rush the passer.

Also, I was under the impression that Andre Carter's struggles as a stand up LB was due just as much to his coverage as it was to his pass rushing. Basically, the guy isn't as good of a pass rusher standing up as he is in a 3 point stance. Also, there's no way Carter will ever be effective as a DE in a 3-4, as he's way too small to hold up at the point of attack.

 
My thoughts on the draft:

What I liked:

- Trading a 2nd round pick for McNabb (and a 3/4 next year). Straight highway robbery. Love it.

- Not panicking and selling Haynesworth for 10 cents on the dollar.

- Managing to get a 4th round pick for JC even if it's in 2012. I thought they got max value.

- All signs point to Shanahan and Allen employing a BPA strategy when drafting, which I love.

- Despite seemingly employing a BPA draft strategy, each of the picks filled a need. (*- The Morris pick is debatable, but the team could definitely use an upgrade over Sellers, whose play has digressed.)

- Milking a couple extra 7th round picks out of the meager 4 picks the team began the draft with.

- Not selecting a qb. I like how they went the UFA route for qb. There were too many other needs to fill.

What I didn't like:

- Taking Silverback over Okung. I like Okung better. (I watched a lot of OU games and I've seen the YouTube clips and other highlights. :thumbup: )

- Facing the reality that our 3rd round pick was spent on a Jarmon last year who doesn't fit the 3-4 defense. FTR, I liked the pick last year but it sucks that it looks like it may be a wasted pick since it appears Jarmon doesn't fit into the new defensive scheme.

- Not being able to trade down from 1.04 to acquire more picks. A bit of a pipedream I know, but it would have been great if the Skins would of been able to trade down, especially since they took Williams over Okung.

- Steve Young being a selfcentered loudmouth. (Not Redskin related but my ears were bleeding listening to him.)

As for the players that were picked:

Trent Williams - I was on record before the draft saying Okung is a sure thing, while Silverback has a higher ceiling and lower floor. I'm still not convinced this guy is going to be able to play LT at a probowl level in the NFL (which he needs to do in order to justify the pick). Hopefully, I'm wrong and Shanny is right.

Perry Riley - I thought the team's need for LB's was understated prior to the draft with so much focus on the glaring oline needs. Riley seems like a very solid pick at the top of round 4.

Dennis Morris - I, like most others I presume, blurted out a string of expletives when I saw the "TE" behind Morris's name as the pick was made. WTF our we taking another TE, I thought? After a brief cool down period and a little research, I'm warming up to the pick. I'll predict he makes the team. He could develop into a very solid role player for the Skins.

Terrance Austin - Brings some much needed competition to the return game. When was the last time the Skins had a dynamic return man? (Was it really Brian Mitchell? Has it been that long.)

I actually got excited when they quickly made their last 2 selections. I was a bit tipsy, exclaimed #### YEA!! and think I even threw a fist pump or 2. (You know your team's oline is in bad shape when you get excited about closing out the draft with a couple of OL in the 7th round.)

Eric Cook - Seems like a versatile guy who could develop into a solid backup C/G. If you don't think this is important, revist the Divsional Playoff game against Seattle. I still have occasional nightmares about Corey Raymer getting repeatedly steamrolled in the playoffs against Seattle that one year when injuries forced him into the game at G.

Selvish Capers - Solid prospect whose stock plummented at the Senior Bowl courtesy of Brandon Graham (who is now in the same division lol). He definitely has the physical tools to develop in a starter, although he seems to be a more natural fit at LT than RT. A few years from now it's entirely possible this guy is our starting LT and Trent Williams is starting at RT. Crazier things have happened.

 

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