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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Season Thread (1 Viewer)

This Hankerson vs. Stallworth discussion is similar to the Grossman vs. Beck discussion. Some people just want to give the next guy a try based on the ineffectiveness of the starter. People, this team is 3-2. It's not time to start experimenting with players. If you see Beck (or Hankerson) on the field the next couple weeks, it will be because the coaches believe they are more equipped to help this team win and will have nothing to do with "seeing what we got".

 
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We already went through this in multiple pre-season games. Hankerson is god-awful. Absolute garbage. Stallworth is miles ahead of him, and he's nothing special either.

Now I do expect Hankerson to improve over the next season or two. I think he's got load of potential and am excited about that. But currently....he's pathetic.
That seems to be an overly extreme critique of Hankerson, IMO. He seemed to improve as the preseason went on (he caught 4 of his 5 targets in the final preseason game; 9 of 13 targets over the whole preseason).Keim wrote a piece on Hankerson just a couple of weeks ago. FWIW, he had this quote in that article:

But cornerback DeAngelo Hall said before the Arizona game Hankerson mimicked Cardinals receiver Larry Fitzgerald in practice and "caught every ball they threw. He's a beast."
Paul and Stallworth are valuable ST players, and the coaches love Paul's blocking abilities on offense. Again, it's a numbers game more than whether or not Hankerson is a "better" pass catcher than Paul or Stallworth or Austin.
Agreed. I like what Paul brings, he's been solid on teams and he's a pretty good route runner and effective blocker. That is a desirable triumvirate for a 4th/5th WR to have. I don't think Hankerson gives you any of that.
 
I think the WRs are missing Armstrong. This team needs a legit deep threat (and a QB who can hit the deep ball and an OL who can give a few seconds of protection).

 
I decided to take a look at the QB position across the league for the last 20 years. I picked 20 years because it goes back to our last Super Bowl, our last "regular" QB (Rypien), and starts the timeline of our great franchises fall. So, here's what I did: I looked at all 32 teams and found out how many years (including 2011) each team had the same QB lead their team in passing. For example, since 1992, the Titans longest-tenured QB was McNair, leading them in passing 8 times. Delhomme led the Panthers 6 times.

You can all probably guess that the longest is the Packers with Favre at 16 years. (The year of 1992 that I picked just happened to be his first year as the starter.) All of you can probably rattle off other teams and names like Colts/Manning, Cowboys/Aikman, Titans/McNair, etc..

So, what about the Redskins? Well, we have a tie! The two longest-tenured QBs, in terms of leading the team in passing yards, have been Gus Frerotte and Jason Campbell. The number of years? Three. Yes, three years is the longest we've gone with the same guy running the show since the Rypien Super Bowl.

OK, well, it's really unfair to compare to situations like Patriots/Brady, Eagles/McNabb, and 49ers/Young. What about the rest of the league? Here's what I found: three is the lowest number. But, we're not alone! That number is shared with the Bears and Jay Cutler (assuming he finishes 2011 as their leading passer) and Erik Kramer. I'd guess Chicago sticks with Cutler for a while and they easily move to four next year. Who's next? Three teams come in at four seasons: Browns/Couch, Lions/Harrington, Ravens/Flacco. Like Chicago, I'd guess Baltimore sticks with their guy a few more years. The Lions also have an answer at QB as long as Stafford can stay healthy. The Browns? Well, not that I've seen him much, but I can see them moving on from McCoy soon and Couch could still be their leader in a couple years.

Whether you're a Beck fan (seems like most people), a Grossman fan (do they exist?), or don't really care which one plays (that's my stance), I think we can all agree we'll have yet another QB next season and we'll restart the clock again on trying to find a QB who can lead this team for more than just three seasons.

Heath, you were the chosen one! You were supposed to form our version of the triplets!

 
I decided to take a look at the QB position across the league for the last 20 years.
Here's the full list:
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Team                    Quarterback            YearsChicago Bears           Cutler, Kramer           3Washington Redskins     Frerotte, Campbell       3Baltimore Ravens        Flacco                   4Cleveland Browns        Couch                    4Detroit Lions           Harrington               4Atlanta Falcons         Chandler                 5Buffalo Bills           Kelly                    5Houston Texans          Schaub, Carr             5Kansas City Chiefs      Green                    5Minnesota Vikings       Culpepper                5New York Jets           Pennington               5Oakland Raiders         Gannon                   5Tampa Bay Buccaneers    Dilfer                   5Arizona Cardinals       Plummer                  6Carolina Panthers       Delhomme                 6Cincinnati Bengals      Palmer                   6New Orleans Saints      Brees                    6San Diego Chargers      Rivers, Humphries        6Denver Broncos          Elway                    7Miami Dolphins          Marino                   7New York Giants         Manning                  7San Francisco 49ers     Young                    7Seattle Seahawks        Hasselbeck               7St. Louis Rams          Bulger                   7Jacksonville Jaguars    Brunell                  8Pittsburgh Steelers     Roethlisberger           8Tennessee Titans        McNair                   8Dallas Cowboys          Aikman                   9New England Patriots    Brady                   10Philadelphia Eagles     McNabb                  10Indianapolis Colts      Manning                 13Green Bay Packers       Favre                   16
 
Lot of injuries including Lichtensteiger and Cooley likely done for the season. Trent Williams out 2-4 weeks, any thoughts?
Anyone? Did I miss the discussion already?
I think nobody knows what you meant. Are you talking fantasy or the team? If you're talking fantasy, did you mean generally or about a specific player?Assuming you meant fantasy and generally: the line problems obviously should downgrade all the Redskin RBs a notch. I'd also expect to see Beck a little sooner, because they're gonna need a more mobile QB if the line can't protect as well. Trent Williams is the key there. They can absorb the loss of the other two- not ideal, but manageable- but Trent Williams is a huge loss. Obviously huge difference if he's only out two weeks or if it's four.As far as Cooley as a fantasy TE: hopefully you weren't counting on him anyway, and the team had already moved to Fred Davis as the primary pass-catching TE. I guess I'd give him a slight uptick but his targets are nothing new.
 
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Lot of injuries including Lichtensteiger and Cooley likely done for the season. Trent Williams out 2-4 weeks, any thoughts?
Anyone? Did I miss the discussion already?
There has been a little OL discussion since Sunday. Not sure what you're looking for.We probably won't find out until tomorrow how everything is going to shake out. The middle seems like it will be Montgomery (LG), Cook © and Chester (RG). A decision is still yet to be made on which tackle positions Locklear and Brown will play.
 
This Hankerson vs. Stallworth discussion is similar to the Grossman vs. Beck discussion. Some people just want to give the next guy a try based on the ineffectiveness of the starter. People, this team is 3-2. It's not time to start experimenting with players. If you see Beck (or Hankerson) on the field the next couple weeks, it will be because the coaches believe they are more equipped to help this team win and will have nothing to do with "seeing what we got".
Getting Armstrong back is far more important than whether Stallworth or Hankerson is active.As for wanting Grossman replaced, his performances have declined steadily. He's a car with no brakes headed for a cliff. BTW, Jason Campbell will likely be available next year. ;)
 
Lot of injuries including Lichtensteiger and Cooley likely done for the season. Trent Williams out 2-4 weeks, any thoughts?
Anyone? Did I miss the discussion already?
There has been a little OL discussion since Sunday. Not sure what you're looking for.We probably won't find out until tomorrow how everything is going to shake out. The middle seems like it will be Montgomery (LG), Cook © and Chester (RG). A decision is still yet to be made on which tackle positions Locklear and Brown will play.
I heard Maurice Hurt was activated from the practice squad. I think they will try to sign another OL. The only backups are Willie Smith and Maurice Hurt. It looks risky to only have 7 healthly OL on the roster.
 
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Lot of injuries including Lichtensteiger and Cooley likely done for the season. Trent Williams out 2-4 weeks, any thoughts?
Anyone? Did I miss the discussion already?
There has been a little OL discussion since Sunday. Not sure what you're looking for.We probably won't find out until tomorrow how everything is going to shake out. The middle seems like it will be Montgomery (LG), Cook © and Chester (RG). A decision is still yet to be made on which tackle positions Locklear and Brown will play.
I heard Maurice Hurt was activated from the practice squad. I think they will try to sign another OL. The only backups are Willie Smith and Maurice Hurt. It looks risky to only have 7 healthly OL on the roster.
I think it's typical to only have 7 OL players active on gamedays, so they are ok (numbers-wise) in the short term. But, yes, they'll need to sign another OL at some point.
 
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Lot of injuries including Lichtensteiger and Cooley likely done for the season. Trent Williams out 2-4 weeks, any thoughts?
Anyone? Did I miss the discussion already?
I think nobody knows what you meant. Are you talking fantasy or the team? If you're talking fantasy, did you mean generally or about a specific player?Assuming you meant fantasy and generally: the line problems obviously should downgrade all the Redskin RBs a notch. I'd also expect to see Beck a little sooner, because they're gonna need a more mobile QB if the line can't protect as well. Trent Williams is the key there. They can absorb the loss of the other two- not ideal, but manageable- but Trent Williams is a huge loss. Obviously huge difference if he's only out two weeks or if it's four.As far as Cooley as a fantasy TE: hopefully you weren't counting on him anyway, and the team had already moved to Fred Davis as the primary pass-catching TE. I guess I'd give him a slight uptick but his targets are nothing new.
Hey TF, I usually mean NFL and then I take that info and churn it into FF terms. A lot of folks reverse that thinking and IMO that's a mistake.
 
If Trent Williams is out 2-4 weeks, I think that's gonna be terrible. From what I observed so far this year he was really making strides on that OL but again I turn it over to the fans to fill in the blanks.

 
'TobiasFunke said:
'Ministry of Pain said:
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Lot of injuries including Lichtensteiger and Cooley likely done for the season. Trent Williams out 2-4 weeks, any thoughts?
Anyone? Did I miss the discussion already?
I think nobody knows what you meant. Are you talking fantasy or the team? If you're talking fantasy, did you mean generally or about a specific player?Assuming you meant fantasy and generally: the line problems obviously should downgrade all the Redskin RBs a notch. I'd also expect to see Beck a little sooner, because they're gonna need a more mobile QB if the line can't protect as well. Trent Williams is the key there. They can absorb the loss of the other two- not ideal, but manageable- but Trent Williams is a huge loss. Obviously huge difference if he's only out two weeks or if it's four.As far as Cooley as a fantasy TE: hopefully you weren't counting on him anyway, and the team had already moved to Fred Davis as the primary pass-catching TE. I guess I'd give him a slight uptick but his targets are nothing new.
Hey TF, I usually mean NFL and then I take that info and churn it into FF terms. A lot of folks reverse that thinking and IMO that's a mistake.
Gotcha.I think the offense is in serious trouble for at least the next two weeks (both road games). Seems like you think the same. The red zone issues were bad enough before, they're gonna have real problems with the O-Line injuries. Hopefully having a mobile QB back there will help alleviate the problem a little- apparently they've officially made the move to Beck.The defense continues to really impress, though. I'm stunned at the one-year turnaround. They should keep the team in most games over the course of the rest of the season.
 
'TobiasFunke said:
'Ministry of Pain said:
'Ministry of Pain said:
Lot of injuries including Lichtensteiger and Cooley likely done for the season. Trent Williams out 2-4 weeks, any thoughts?
Anyone? Did I miss the discussion already?
I think nobody knows what you meant. Are you talking fantasy or the team? If you're talking fantasy, did you mean generally or about a specific player?Assuming you meant fantasy and generally: the line problems obviously should downgrade all the Redskin RBs a notch. I'd also expect to see Beck a little sooner, because they're gonna need a more mobile QB if the line can't protect as well. Trent Williams is the key there. They can absorb the loss of the other two- not ideal, but manageable- but Trent Williams is a huge loss. Obviously huge difference if he's only out two weeks or if it's four.As far as Cooley as a fantasy TE: hopefully you weren't counting on him anyway, and the team had already moved to Fred Davis as the primary pass-catching TE. I guess I'd give him a slight uptick but his targets are nothing new.
Hey TF, I usually mean NFL and then I take that info and churn it into FF terms. A lot of folks reverse that thinking and IMO that's a mistake.
Gotcha.I think the offense is in serious trouble for at least the next two weeks (both road games). Seems like you think the same. The red zone issues were bad enough before, they're gonna have real problems with the O-Line injuries. Hopefully having a mobile QB back there will help alleviate the problem a little- apparently they've officially made the move to Beck.The defense continues to really impress, though. I'm stunned at the one-year turnaround. They should keep the team in most games over the course of the rest of the season.
I actually don't think it will be that bad.First of all, the OL was struggling before the injuries. The run blocking really has not been that good and is shows in how many games the Redskins have not been able to run the ball. The pass protection has been spotty, although it appears to have improved recently.Litchenstieger is probably one of the better OLmen on the team, so his loss hurts. But Erik Cook looked decent in preseason, so maybe he can fill in adequately.Williams stuggles at times, but appeared to be doing better recently. Williams definately has lots of physical talent. My biggest concern is that Sean Locklear did not look good at all in preseason. Willie Smith looked ok, but is an undrafted free agent. So replacing Williams for 2-4 weeks appears to be the bigger issue.Hopefully, with a week to game plan, they can provide help for the left tackle, whether it is Locklear or Brown. Maybe there will be a lot more formations with a fullback where they help the LT in pass protection.
 
apparently they've officially made the move to Beck.
Yep, sounds like it.Carolina is one of the worst run defenses in the league. Expect a heavy dose of the ground game this week. The Redskins have gone for 172 and 196 rushing yard in non-division games against Arizona and St. Louis. In division games, they are averaging a measly 60 yards per game.Expect more rollouts, which is something Kyle really likes to do. Beck can hopefully then have time to make a couple reads and then just run if he has to. I'm sure they'll try to slip Fred Davis down the opposite sideline for a big play. Every team seems to fall for that.
 
Hopefully, with a week to game plan, they can provide help for the left tackle, whether it is Locklear or Brown. Maybe there will be a lot more formations with a fullback where they help the LT in pass protection.
Any word on who will play LT, and who will play RT? Also, anything definitive on how long Williams will be out?
 
Stallworth should be released and Hankerson activated to see whether he can make plays. The drop by #19 was huge and reminded me of his bobbling preseason TD - dude has shaky hands. Paul can take his gunner responsibilities. We need a big receiver for inside the redzone.

With Cook as centerman, are we returning to the Cory Raymer days? Hope he can recover quickly and play. I hear he was hurt in pregame but played on gamely. unfortunately, the continued neglect in building a deep OL is going to kill any hope we had for a solid O this year.

prettiest play of the game? the beck to Austin seam route to the goal line. beck says he and 18 have developed good chemistry on the scout team and I would like to see more
No offense, but have you seen a single Hankerson play? Did you watch any of the offseason? Hankerson has the worst hands on the team, and it's not close. Yet you want to activate him because #19 dropped a pass? We already went through this in multiple pre-season games. Hankerson is god-awful. Absolute garbage. Stallworth is miles ahead of him, and he's nothing special either.

Now I do expect Hankerson to improve over the next season or two. I think he's got load of potential and am excited about that. But currently....he's pathetic.
yes, I actually watched the exhibition games. do you watch every practice to be credible in proclaiming that Hanky has the worst hands on the team?

part of the problem with carrying 17 receivers is that it's at the expense of building up the trenches. we have seen the difference in the D this year and it is the result of the emphasis on the D-line. Further offensive development requires having more than an undrafted Willy Smith in the wings about to reprise the Stephon Heyer role. and I'm not a Hanky groupie (I'd've drafted for the OL in round 3), but I do know that the future is not #19 or #10 (a terrific WR, btw...just not good on a team that is building for the future).

So in a year where we're 3-2 and headed for 6-10, how do you justify playing Stallworth over Hanky?

 
Stallworth should be released and Hankerson activated to see whether he can make plays. The drop by #19 was huge and reminded me of his bobbling preseason TD - dude has shaky hands. Paul can take his gunner responsibilities. We need a big receiver for inside the redzone.

With Cook as centerman, are we returning to the Cory Raymer days? Hope he can recover quickly and play. I hear he was hurt in pregame but played on gamely. unfortunately, the continued neglect in building a deep OL is going to kill any hope we had for a solid O this year.

prettiest play of the game? the beck to Austin seam route to the goal line. beck says he and 18 have developed good chemistry on the scout team and I would like to see more
No offense, but have you seen a single Hankerson play? Did you watch any of the offseason? Hankerson has the worst hands on the team, and it's not close. Yet you want to activate him because #19 dropped a pass? We already went through this in multiple pre-season games. Hankerson is god-awful. Absolute garbage. Stallworth is miles ahead of him, and he's nothing special either.

Now I do expect Hankerson to improve over the next season or two. I think he's got load of potential and am excited about that. But currently....he's pathetic.
yes, I actually watched the exhibition games. do you watch every practice to be credible in proclaiming that Hanky has the worst hands on the team?

part of the problem with carrying 17 receivers is that it's at the expense of building up the trenches. we have seen the difference in the D this year and it is the result of the emphasis on the D-line. Further offensive development requires having more than an undrafted Willy Smith in the wings about to reprise the Stephon Heyer role. and I'm not a Hanky groupie (I'd've drafted for the OL in round 3), but I do know that the future is not #19 or #10 (a terrific WR, btw...just not good on a team that is building for the future).

So in a year where we're 3-2 and headed for 6-10, how do you justify playing Stallworth over Hanky?
:goodposting: It's not a situation where Hankerson is getting rolled out to "see what we got" he would benefit more from gametime than Stallworth adds to the team.

 
Hopefully, with a week to game plan, they can provide help for the left tackle, whether it is Locklear or Brown. Maybe there will be a lot more formations with a fullback where they help the LT in pass protection.
Any word on who will play LT, and who will play RT? Also, anything definitive on how long Williams will be out?
Sounds like Shanahan is being publicly (and predictably) quiet about this, but O'Halloran did report:
A team source, however, said Jammal Brown is staying put at right tackle and Sean Locklear will start at left tackle.
 
Carolina is one of the worst run defenses in the league. Expect a heavy dose of the ground game this week.
I'd like to see them run the ball all day and have 40 minutes of possession time. But the Eagles are one of the worst run defenses in the league, and they had no trouble stopping the Redskin run game.
 
Since he was brought to Washington by owner Daniel Snyder before last season and given the task of reviving the Redskins’ fortunes, Mike Shanahan has improved the team. The Redskins are better at nearly every position than they were before last season except one — quarterback. It’s only the most important position on the field.

If Shanahan and his son are wrong about Beck — as they were about Donovan McNabb last year and Grossman this year — they would be 0 for 3 in picking people for the position they supposedly know so well. They would undermine whatever improvements they’ve made to the roster elsewhere. And they would set back the franchise’s progress a year or two or maybe more, because if the Redskins enter next season without a proven starting quarterback they would be right back where they were when the Shanahans arrived. It’s really that simple.
LinkStarting Shanahan's 3rd season here without an established starting QB is going to be terrible. And the only thing that can prevent that is a 30-year old guy not considered good enough to start by 2 other teams, suddenly becoming a solid NFL starter. I'm rooting for Beck, but the odds are against that happening.

 
Since he was brought to Washington by owner Daniel Snyder before last season and given the task of reviving the Redskins’ fortunes, Mike Shanahan has improved the team. The Redskins are better at nearly every position than they were before last season except one — quarterback. It’s only the most important position on the field.

If Shanahan and his son are wrong about Beck — as they were about Donovan McNabb last year and Grossman this year — they would be 0 for 3 in picking people for the position they supposedly know so well. They would undermine whatever improvements they’ve made to the roster elsewhere. And they would set back the franchise’s progress a year or two or maybe more, because if the Redskins enter next season without a proven starting quarterback they would be right back where they were when the Shanahans arrived. It’s really that simple.
LinkStarting Shanahan's 3rd season here without an established starting QB is going to be terrible. And the only thing that can prevent that is a 30-year old guy not considered good enough to start by 2 other teams, suddenly becoming a solid NFL starter. I'm rooting for Beck, but the odds are against that happening.
I agree with that it would be terrible, but Beck defying the odds and becoming a good QB is not the only thing that can prevent three straight years of bad QB play in the Shanahan era. They could trade for a QB after the season, or trade up for Luck (especially if he balks at playing for a 1-15 or 2-14 team), or find a Ben Roethlisberger or a Joe Flacco or a Josh Freeman in the mid first round. It's a little too early to declare Beck the only hope for the 2012 season.
 
Starting Shanahan's 3rd season here without an established starting QB is going to be terrible. And the only thing that can prevent that is a 30-year old guy not considered good enough to start by 2 other teams, suddenly becoming a solid NFL starter. I'm rooting for Beck, but the odds are against that happening.
I agree with that it would be terrible, but Beck defying the odds and becoming a good QB is not the only thing that can prevent three straight years of bad QB play in the Shanahan era. They could trade for a QB after the season, or trade up for Luck (especially if he balks at playing for a 1-15 or 2-14 team), or find a Ben Roethlisberger or a Joe Flacco or a Josh Freeman in the mid first round. It's a little too early to declare Beck the only hope for the 2012 season.
Disagree strongly with the bolded. Agree strongly with the underlined.To really believe the bolded you have to assume that finding a franchise QB is as easy as finding a Starbucks. Did anyone not look through the teams and names dgreen provided above? Go over to pfr and look at the list of names Green Bay had at QB between Bart Starr and Brett Favre. Or the Pittsburgh QBs between Bradshaw and Roethlisberger. Shoot, even the 6 years between Aikman and Romo was a mess in Dallas with basically different guys every year. Again, these types of QBs (guys who you consider your future) aren't falling off trees, and if you look at today's "franchise QBs" they generally cost a 1st round draft pick.

Interestingly enough, Mike Holmgren was discussing this very topic this afternoon. Keim retweeted the following:

#Browns Holmgren not opposed to switching qbs every year until he gets it right. "You have to find that person.''
Reid's opinion piece, linked by fatness, sounds like the overacting of a drama queen. I find this part, in particular, quite preposterous:
If Shanahan and his son are wrong about Beck — as they were about Donovan McNabb last year and Grossman this year — they would be 0 for 3 in picking people for the position they supposedly know so well. They would undermine whatever improvements they’ve made to the roster elsewhere. And they would set back the franchise’s progress a year or two or maybe more, because if the Redskins enter next season without a proven starting quarterback they would be right back where they were when the Shanahans arrived. It’s really that simple.
In the paragraph previous to that (quoted by fatness) he acknowledges that the team is better now under Shanahan despite not having "the quarterback", then talks as if it's impossible for a team to improve without "the quarterback". Actually, not even that it's impossible to improve, but that it's a guarantee the team will regress. Really? We're going to base our predictions for the 2012 season based on this sound logic? I think there's a reason why Reid moved from beat writer to opinion piece writer.
 
Westbrook out, so Buchanon may see some PT. Atogwe still not practicing. ETA: Cooley saying he'll probably be out a month.

Keim has a great piece with Brian Baldinger scouting this week's game.

Carolina is bad, but Cam is a playmaker. Until the OL proves me wrong, I'm guessing this is a low scoring game. I've seen some 20-17 type predictions (generally in the 'Skins favor) but I wouldn't be surprised if there's less scoring than that.

 
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Westbrook out, so Buchanon may see some PT. Atogwe still not practicing. ETA: Cooley saying he'll probably be out a month.

Keim has a great piece with Brian Baldinger scouting this week's game.

Carolina is bad, but Cam is a playmaker. Until the OL proves me wrong, I'm guessing this is a low scoring game. I've seen some 20-17 type predictions (generally in the 'Skins favor) but I wouldn't be surprised if there's less scoring than that.
What's the scouting report on the Panther's D? Run vs. Pass and overall? I'm not as in tune this year.
 
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Westbrook out, so Buchanon may see some PT. Atogwe still not practicing. ETA: Cooley saying he'll probably be out a month.

Keim has a great piece with Brian Baldinger scouting this week's game.

Carolina is bad, but Cam is a playmaker. Until the OL proves me wrong, I'm guessing this is a low scoring game. I've seen some 20-17 type predictions (generally in the 'Skins favor) but I wouldn't be surprised if there's less scoring than that.
What's the scouting report on the Panther's D? Run vs. Pass and overall? I'm not as in tune this year.
Here's what Baldinger said about the Panther's D:
On why Carolina’s defense is so bad: “You lose Jon Beason and Thomas Davis and you lose your speed at linebacker. That’s huge. Beason is a bona fide stud at middle linebacker who never comes off the field. Now you replace him with Dan Connor and different guys, but you don’t have two experienced guys. The run fits aren’t good. They get hooked on the edge quite a bit. They give up a lot of runs outside. They play hard up front. They’re not big at defensive tackle. They’re undersized and they’re playing backups at linebacker; that leads to a lot of problems.”
 
I agree with that it would be terrible, but Beck defying the odds and becoming a good QB is not the only thing that can prevent three straight years of bad QB play in the Shanahan era. They could trade for a QB after the season, or trade up for Luck (especially if he balks at playing for a 1-15 or 2-14 team), or find a Ben Roethlisberger or a Joe Flacco or a Josh Freeman in the mid first round. It's a little too early to declare Beck the only hope for the 2012 season.
I agree with you. But the odds of picking up a mid-1st-round QB who is, by the end of his first season, considered a solid NFL starting QB are pretty low. It's more likely that they'll draft someone, and in 2-3 years he'll reach that level if we're lucky.
 
Does anyone know where Steve Smith lives? Put some banana peels on his sidewalk or something, please. The other teams in the league can't cover him, and I'm having nightmares of long Steve Smith receptions against the Skins.

Cam Newton has won 1 of 6 career NFL starts.

John Beck has won 0 of 4 NFL starts.

 
These are my 2 favorite teams playing this weekend, I'm excited to watch the game in its entirety (instead of flipping around or watching NFL Mix on Direct TV) I do think the Panthers will win though. Their record doesn't reflect how much better they are this year. Rooting for the Skins, but expecting a loss.

 
Crash.

Couldn't stop Cam Newton. Couldn't stop Steve Smith. Couldn't stop the Panther running game. Were controlled by a 1-5 team.

Moss has a broken hand. Hightower is likely done for the year with a torn ligament.

Beck looked OK. The first half he was shaky; he fumbled early and should have thrown an INT but the defender dropped it. In the second half he was decent. The team only punted once. They failed on 2 4th down opportunities and ended some other drives with fumbles. The receivers had some flagrant, flagrant drops that were not Beck's fault at all. Hankerson ran a wrong pattern near the end of the game and was running away from where Beck's throw went. Definite improvement at QB.

Drops and all, Fred Davis is their best receiver. Their secondary is just weak, and with O.J. out Kevin Barnes looked totally lost as safety. Doughty got a lot of tackles but can't cover. And the defensive line just got pushed around all day. With Buffalo and San Francisco coming up next, expect them to give up 300 yards rushing in the next 2 weeks.

Banks did nothing. Gano is good, the punter is good.

That was a demoralizing game to watch.

 
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More info for the Hankerson vs. Stallworth debate. From Rick Mease of the Washington Post:

For Hankerson, it wasnt a particularly memorable debut. Hankerson got on the field for one play in the final three minutes of the game but had a miscommunication with quarterback John Beck on the route he was supposed to run. Beck fired the ball toward the right sideline as if he were expecting Hankerson to come back for the ball, but the rookie never turned around, and cornerback Chris Gamble intercepted the pass. It was Becks lone interception on the day
Stallworth was inactive.
 
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I don't know what to say. At the beginning of the season, we all thought this team was a 7-9 or 8-8 club. That still looks like kind of a possibility, I guess. That's the most positive thing I can say about it. Even with a bad defensive performance on Sunday, I still think the defense has been upgraded and as long as we stay with the 3-4 next year (hoping that Snyder doesn't can Shanahan if we fail to make the playoffs), we'll continue to improve on that side of the ball. We really have to look at this as we have been saying all along, that it is a multi-year rebuilding project. If you were expecting the Redskins to make the playoffs this year on the strength of the 3-1 start, though, it's Armegedon for sure.

Re: the offense -- another lackluster offensive performance. Beck looked OK...he didn't totally suck...and that is definitely a positive, but it also doesn't look like he's going to take this team to the playoffs. His final stat line looks serviceable, but when the team got behind and we needed to keep pace with the Panthers, we just couldn't flick the switch and do it. Once again, in the first half, when we had chances to score TDs we scored field goals. In other words, he seems like a fine guy if you are leading and playing in a close game, but compare him to Newton, who is playing in his first year...Newton is a playmaker in a way that Beck just is not and likely will not be. Beck or Grossman are serviceable if the rest of the team is just clicking on all cylinders and we just don't have the horses for that just yet.

Re: the defense -- I'm actually more upset over the defensive performance than the office for this game, only because I do think the defense has the potential to be a good unit, moreso than the offense. And they laid an egg. They gave up a ton of yardage on the ground and also let Newton have his way through the air when he needed it. Bad day for the defense. But, I think they will regroup and come back.

Future -- as the tag line of this thread says, "they are who we thought they are." Significantly improved on defense, marginally improved on offense, but massively lacking at Quarterback and also in dire need of more offensive lineman (little depth). This offseason they have to get a QB. I still don't fault them for not drafting a QB this year...I mean...is Gabbert lighting the world on fire? (though Christian Ponder certainly looks like a legitimate QB). In their estimation, there just wasn't anyone worth it this year, and meanwhile Kerrigan certainly looks worth a first round pick. But next year, with a deep QB class...they have to go QB.

The big concern for me is that they give Shanahan another year or two to get a new QB and see if they can get some traction with them. And I don't say this because I am a huge Mike/Kyle Shanahan fan. I am saying this because I fear that if they can Shanahan, the new guy comes in and starts all over again and then we are back to square one -- not only with offense but also with defense. Hell, if you must fire Shanahan then install Haslett as head coach, just to at least keep continuity on that side of the ball.

I am not so down on the team because I know they are a multi year project but I do think Shanahan has basically lost two years messing around with McNabb, Rex and possibly Beck (we'll see how he does...maybe he'll shock all of us and go on a tear). This is hindsight and hindsight is 20-20 but in hindsight it does seem to be a wasted two years. Either Mike can't evaluate QBs as well as we thought or Kyle is being given too much authority; in either case, it lands on Mike as the head coach.

Here's hoping that Beck continues to play solid and we fine a way to go 8-8. I fear if we dip down much further Snyder may not be as patient.

 
On a related note, what do you guys know about Robert Griffin III. I'm starting to see 2012 mocks already linking him to the Skins. His stats are impressive. Folks who have seen him tell me he might be the real deal. But I haven't had the chance to watch him play. Is he a guy who could possibly step into the team relatively quickly?

Oh, and a note of clarification -- even though I am thinking about the offseason already, that doesn't mean I have given up on this team. I still hope every week that they'll turn it around and I still faithfully watch and root for them every week. But, it's just fun to look to the future as well...

 
It was a bummer sencond week in a row losing some key players to injury. I guess thats how it goes, Skins mostly avoided injuries the first few games.

I'm with the above poster, the Def was the most disappointing, I felt like several times I could see Cam taking off running and no one could stop him. argh.

 
I don't know what to say. At the beginning of the season, we all thought this team was a 7-9 or 8-8 club. That still looks like kind of a possibility, I guess. That's the most positive thing I can say about it. Even with a bad defensive performance on Sunday, I still think the defense has been upgraded and as long as we stay with the 3-4 next year (hoping that Snyder doesn't can Shanahan if we fail to make the playoffs), we'll continue to improve on that side of the ball. We really have to look at this as we have been saying all along, that it is a multi-year rebuilding project. If you were expecting the Redskins to make the playoffs this year on the strength of the 3-1 start, though, it's Armegedon for sure.Re: the offense -- another lackluster offensive performance. Beck looked OK...he didn't totally suck...and that is definitely a positive, but it also doesn't look like he's going to take this team to the playoffs. His final stat line looks serviceable, but when the team got behind and we needed to keep pace with the Panthers, we just couldn't flick the switch and do it. Once again, in the first half, when we had chances to score TDs we scored field goals. In other words, he seems like a fine guy if you are leading and playing in a close game, but compare him to Newton, who is playing in his first year...Newton is a playmaker in a way that Beck just is not and likely will not be. Beck or Grossman are serviceable if the rest of the team is just clicking on all cylinders and we just don't have the horses for that just yet.Re: the defense -- I'm actually more upset over the defensive performance than the office for this game, only because I do think the defense has the potential to be a good unit, moreso than the offense. And they laid an egg. They gave up a ton of yardage on the ground and also let Newton have his way through the air when he needed it. Bad day for the defense. But, I think they will regroup and come back.Future -- as the tag line of this thread says, "they are who we thought they are." Significantly improved on defense, marginally improved on offense, but massively lacking at Quarterback and also in dire need of more offensive lineman (little depth). This offseason they have to get a QB. I still don't fault them for not drafting a QB this year...I mean...is Gabbert lighting the world on fire? (though Christian Ponder certainly looks like a legitimate QB). In their estimation, there just wasn't anyone worth it this year, and meanwhile Kerrigan certainly looks worth a first round pick. But next year, with a deep QB class...they have to go QB. The big concern for me is that they give Shanahan another year or two to get a new QB and see if they can get some traction with them. And I don't say this because I am a huge Mike/Kyle Shanahan fan. I am saying this because I fear that if they can Shanahan, the new guy comes in and starts all over again and then we are back to square one -- not only with offense but also with defense. Hell, if you must fire Shanahan then install Haslett as head coach, just to at least keep continuity on that side of the ball.I am not so down on the team because I know they are a multi year project but I do think Shanahan has basically lost two years messing around with McNabb, Rex and possibly Beck (we'll see how he does...maybe he'll shock all of us and go on a tear). This is hindsight and hindsight is 20-20 but in hindsight it does seem to be a wasted two years. Either Mike can't evaluate QBs as well as we thought or Kyle is being given too much authority; in either case, it lands on Mike as the head coach.Here's hoping that Beck continues to play solid and we fine a way to go 8-8. I fear if we dip down much further Snyder may not be as patient.
One key item: the Redskins are still dreadfully weak at wide receiver despite keeping eight of them on the roster. Gaffney dropped a long pass from Beck early, then caught a pass on the next play and fumbled it. Hankerson was in for one play and ran the wrong route, causing an intercepton. Paul, Austin, and Stallworth get a couple of receptions a game combined. With Moss' injury, we need someone to step up at WR.
 
With Moss' injury, we need someone to step up at WR.
One of the beat writers tweeted that Austin will probably fill in for Moss in the slot. Despite the rest of the mess, that has me somewhat excited to watch next week's game. He has flashed a lot of potential. I hope this is the start of realizing that potential.
 
On a related note, what do you guys know about Robert Griffin III. I'm starting to see 2012 mocks already linking him to the Skins. His stats are impressive. Folks who have seen him tell me he might be the real deal. But I haven't had the chance to watch him play. Is he a guy who could possibly step into the team relatively quickly?Oh, and a note of clarification -- even though I am thinking about the offseason already, that doesn't mean I have given up on this team. I still hope every week that they'll turn it around and I still faithfully watch and root for them every week. But, it's just fun to look to the future as well...
Kid is the real deal, at one point he had more Td's then incompletions, through 3 weeks. I like this kid and have no problem with him going to the Skins
 

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