***Official*** Washington Redskins 2014 Thread (In-Season) (1 Viewer)

[dgreen]

Awesome RG3 press conference. Loved it.

 

[Warpig]

Can't wait to hear all the optimism next year about this team. It's hilarious reading how "we have a chance to win the division" or "you never know anything can happen" BS during the preseason every year. You guys do realize Dam Snyder is 49 years old right. I mean it's like a legit possibility we will never sniff a deep run in the playoffs in our lifetime with this team. Seriously. They could be the laughing stock of the NFL for 40 more years.

The only chance the Skins have is luck boxing an elite QB. They should literally draft 4-5 QB every draft until they find a franchise QB. It's the only thing that can save them.

We just won the division a couple years ago, guy.

Snyder doesn't play on the O-Line, or kick the ball. All the "we'll never blahblahblah as long as Snyder blahblahblah" is total horse ####.

Whatever dude. Snyder is the ####### worst! No coach worth anything is coming the Washington.

I don't think you can pin the current status of the team on Snyder. He did everything every knowledgeable fan has asked. He stepped back and hired people not named Vinny to run the organization. Now you can question the job those people have done, this is Allen and Shanny's mess.

I agree with you. I'm not a Skins fan, but I have no clue how Snyder can be blamed for any of this. He kinda reminds me or Mark Cuban. Snyder is willing to open his pockets and overpay to bring FAs in to Washington. That hasn't always panned out, but atleast he's aggressive and players like playing for the guy because he pampers them.

The issue is with the lack of coaching and lack of player accountability. Too many whiny, primadonna players that get their feelings hurt too easily. Just shut up and play football and quit worrying about what people say. Like a bunch of high school girls.

We have a lot of those players and why is that? Its the culture in the organization and who created that? Yep, Snyder...only been that way since he took over. So, he is the root cause of all the dysfunction and now it manifests itself in many ways and clearly spiraling out of control these past two years with the added drama/circus atmosphere.

Ultimately, yes, Snyder is responsible. Since the buck stops at the top. However, he has been aggressive in bringing in the next hot HC. Everybody wanted Gruden, but Snyder snagged him...probably because Gruden wanted to go to a team with a decent starting QB...RG3. He brought in Shanny with his stellar coaching record. That fell apart because perhaps the game has passed Shanny by...it happens with all great coaches. Snyder appears to have stepped behind the curtains and is letting the coaching staff do their thing. All coaches want that in an owner! A coach knows Snyder will spend for FAs and will be aggressive in the draft and will let them do their job. It appears that maybe Snyder needs to drop the hammer on the coaches and players? It's sad that he would have to treat grown ### men like children. Boggles my mind.

Granted, RG3 may be one of those sensitive primadonnas, but he and Gruden are fueling this joke. Gruden is saying stupid things that a HC shouldn't be saying. Maybe he should take a page from the Belicheck press conference book and only offer vague answers.

Maybe Gruden needs a mulligan for this year? I'm willing to go with that. But the damage may already be done. It's sophomoric and childish how they are acting in the media. Including Desean Jackson and his unrequired comments.

If I were a HC looking for a job, I'd love to work for Snyder. The problem is, WAS gave up waaaaaay too much to walk away from RG3. So unfortunately, RG3 is there to stay.

 

[MattFancy]

All you have to do is look at the team's record since Snyder took over: 97-137. I'm not counting 1999 since he took over midway through that year I believe.

He's hired/fired 8 coaches in 15 seasons.

The team has more 10+ loss seasons than 10+ win seasons.

That's all you need to know.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Can't wait to hear all the optimism next year about this team. It's hilarious reading how "we have a chance to win the division" or "you never know anything can happen" BS during the preseason every year. You guys do realize Dam Snyder is 49 years old right. I mean it's like a legit possibility we will never sniff a deep run in the playoffs in our lifetime with this team. Seriously. They could be the laughing stock of the NFL for 40 more years.

The only chance the Skins have is luck boxing an elite QB. They should literally draft 4-5 QB every draft until they find a franchise QB. It's the only thing that can save them.

We just won the division a couple years ago, guy.

Snyder doesn't play on the O-Line, or kick the ball. All the "we'll never blahblahblah as long as Snyder blahblahblah" is total horse ####.

Whatever dude. Snyder is the ####### worst! No coach worth anything is coming the Washington.

I don't think you can pin the current status of the team on Snyder. He did everything every knowledgeable fan has asked. He stepped back and hired people not named Vinny to run the organization. Now you can question the job those people have done, this is Allen and Shanny's mess.

I agree with you. I'm not a Skins fan, but I have no clue how Snyder can be blamed for any of this. He kinda reminds me or Mark Cuban. Snyder is willing to open his pockets and overpay to bring FAs in to Washington. That hasn't always panned out, but atleast he's aggressive and players like playing for the guy because he pampers them.

The issue is with the lack of coaching and lack of player accountability. Too many whiny, primadonna players that get their feelings hurt too easily. Just shut up and play football and quit worrying about what people say. Like a bunch of high school girls.

We have a lot of those players and why is that? Its the culture in the organization and who created that? Yep, Snyder...only been that way since he took over. So, he is the root cause of all the dysfunction and now it manifests itself in many ways and clearly spiraling out of control these past two years with the added drama/circus atmosphere.

Ultimately, yes, Snyder is responsible. Since the buck stops at the top. However, he has been aggressive in bringing in the next hot HC. Everybody wanted Gruden, but Snyder snagged him...probably because Gruden wanted to go to a team with a decent starting QB...RG3. He brought in Shanny with his stellar coaching record. That fell apart because perhaps the game has passed Shanny by...it happens with all great coaches. Snyder appears to have stepped behind the curtains and is letting the coaching staff do their thing. All coaches want that in an owner! A coach knows Snyder will spend for FAs and will be aggressive in the draft and will let them do their job. It appears that maybe Snyder needs to drop the hammer on the coaches and players? It's sad that he would have to treat grown ### men like children. Boggles my mind.

Granted, RG3 may be one of those sensitive primadonnas, but he and Gruden are fueling this joke. Gruden is saying stupid things that a HC shouldn't be saying. Maybe he should take a page from the Belicheck press conference book and only offer vague answers.

Maybe Gruden needs a mulligan for this year? I'm willing to go with that. But the damage may already be done. It's sophomoric and childish how they are acting in the media. Including Desean Jackson and his unrequired comments.

If I were a HC looking for a job, I'd love to work for Snyder. The problem is, WAS gave up waaaaaay too much to walk away from RG3. So unfortunately, RG3 is there to stay.

The first bolded comment is where you lost me. You briefly got me back when you reminded me that Shanny was highly sought after, but then you lost me again on the second bolded comment.

 

[Marvelous]

Can't wait to hear all the optimism next year about this team. It's hilarious reading how "we have a chance to win the division" or "you never know anything can happen" BS during the preseason every year. You guys do realize Dam Snyder is 49 years old right. I mean it's like a legit possibility we will never sniff a deep run in the playoffs in our lifetime with this team. Seriously. They could be the laughing stock of the NFL for 40 more years.

The only chance the Skins have is luck boxing an elite QB. They should literally draft 4-5 QB every draft until they find a franchise QB. It's the only thing that can save them.

There is more to it than drafting the right player. If the Redskins drafted Tom Brady when Spurrier or Zorn was the head coach, does he develop into a top flight QB? I would seriously doubt it.

 

[Marvelous]

Here is my high level take. A head coach's primary job is to manage an organization. A pretty big organization at that. He has at least 63 players including the practice squad, a dozen coaches, plus a slew of assistants and other people. He has to manage them and get peak performance out of them. That is the job of the head of any organization or department.

If performance is lacking in an employee, it is universally thought that you try to address it in private. Even if things are going poorly, you support the employee in public. It is difficult to get good performance from an employee when you are ripping them apart when talking to others. That is the way it works in most organizations, not just in sports. And managers who don't do this usually are not that good at managing.

So far, from what I have seen, Gruden is not doing a very good job. The organization is not functioning very well. I have mentioned that my biggest concern is the 4 false start penalties and one illegal formation penalty. These are penalties that good teams just don't have. There is nothing that the other team does to create these penalties. They are entirely self inflicted. I think this is a glaring sign that the team is very poorly coached. The on-going confusion on defense on who is supposed to be covering who is terrible. Once again, that gets back to poor coaching. And regardless of which unit it is, poor coaching always makes the head coach look bad.

Finally, talking to the media is the one PR job that the head coach has. If you want a unified team, you need to talk a like a unified team. Instead, Gruden calls out specific players. Last week Hatcher. This week Griffin and Riley. Unless there is some masterful motivational angle to all this, he is ripping into the team unity. It is hard to for a team to come together if the head coach is not on board.

From what I have seen so far, Gruden may not be a capable head coach. If he is not, sticking with him another year will be painful. Painful like year 2 of Zorn painful. But it will be very difficult for Snyder/Allen to eat 4 years of Gruden's contract to get another HC.

It is his first shot at head coaching. Now, some have it and some clearly don't, but I don't believe you can make that assessment in the first ten games. Certainly not with an organization as dysfunctional as Washington has been since Gibbs' last run. I'm not a 'Skins fan and don't necessarily follow them, so I don't necessarily have a dog in this fight, but I have followed Griffin to the extent that his particular kind of fame fascinates me. I agree with your assessment of what a head coach is responsible for and your analogy of the manager to employee relationship, but this isn't IBM or Whole Foods or Johnson and Johnson. This is a public-support-based entertainment business where every single one of your employees is an alpha male - many of them millionaires. I can't imagine the kind of stress that comes with leading these types of men. That said - some work environments are just not conducive to sustained success. In my opinion that's not on Gruden - it's on Snyder and Allen. Period.

The similarities between the Redskins and the Cowboys as organizations continue to amaze me. Jerry seems to have turned a corner. What will it take for Snyder to do the same?

Except it's Gruden and Griffin going back and forth in the media. The fastest way to lose control is to publicly call out and break down players the way Gruden has. It's inexcusable and stupid, that's on Gruden.

On of the roles of any manager is to make a good work environment despite the people above him/her. I realize that may not be possible with the Redskins, but Gruden does not appear to be doing anything to help the team out. If he doesn't, he is going to crash and burn, and probably very quickly.

 

[GoBirds]

Skeletor is in a tanning bed laughing somewhere right now.

 

[Ted Mullins]

If I were a HC looking for a job, I'd love to work for Snyder. The problem is, WAS gave up waaaaaay too much to walk away from RG3. So unfortunately, RG3 is there to stay.

Agree with you about RG3, I think they likely feel committed to him for the time being due to how much they gave up. I think it's going to hurt Gruden as it seems like thinks aren't going to work for Griffin/Gruden together.

Not so sure about coaches wanting to work for Snyder - I'd imagine the general perception of the Skins/Snyder is awful. Staff turnover every 2-4 years, circus atmosphere, history of Snyder allegedly meddling with the roster. The national coverage of the Skins doesn't look for bright spots every week like someone like Keim or Russell does so IMO if you don't follow the team you're only hearing the bad (and that's what most of the news is anyways). Great place to get a huge 5 year contract where you only have to work for 3 years that probably feel like 10 years.

 

[Marvelous]

I have been thinking about what Marvin Lewis has accomplished in Cincinnati. Cincinnati was long regarded as a moribund franchise with basically a really cheap owner. Lewis went into Cincinnati with a plan on how to turn the franchise around. I know he strongly called for increased spending on scouting and facilities. This is now his 12 season in Cincinnati and they are a much better franchise than when he took over.

Gruden is clear in a mess. He needs to step up and have a plan on how to fix things. Obviously if upper management won't listen, he will be gone pretty quick. But that is where he is heading anyhow. If he is a contributor to the Redskin's dysfunction, he will not be hear long.

By the way, the rookie head coach argument does not work for me. Head coaches are expected to hit the ground running. Chip Kelley didn't take a year to get things going. If the head coach makes it look like amateur hour or creates a toxic environment, I don't think they will be head coaches for long.

 

[dhockster]

Snyder's current failings are:

-Hiring Allen and retaining Allen when he probably should have been let go already

-Possibly forcing his head coach to retain Haslett. We don't know if this is true but it could be.

-Hiring a head coach who does not seem keen on playing his franchise QB. Whether RGIII is going to be a great QB is debatable but because so much is invested in him, you have to give him

as much time as possible to develop into your franchise QB.

If Snyder is not the problem then I expect Allen and Haslett to both be fired at the end of the season. No competent owner should allow those two to keep their jobs.

 

[MattFancy]

If Snyder is not the problem then I expect Allen and Haslett to both be fired at the end of the season. No competent owner should allow those two to keep their jobs.

The problem with all this recent RG3 drama is that everyone has lost sight of how awful Haslett has been again this year. I was willing to give him this year to see how things would go. There's no logical reason for bringing him back next season.

 

[Ted Mullins]

I have been thinking about what Marvin Lewis has accomplished in Cincinnati. Cincinnati was long regarded as a moribund franchise with basically a really cheap owner. Lewis went into Cincinnati with a plan on how to turn the franchise around. I know he strongly called for increased spending on scouting and facilities. This is now his 12 season in Cincinnati and they are a much better franchise than when he took over.

I think Cincy is a really good example of what stability can do for you that gets overlooked because of them not doing much in the playoffs. Like you said, they're a historically bad team with a coach that isn't highly regarded that has become consistently in the playoff hunt every year and I think a huge part of that is the stability. The Skins do a poor job of player evaluation and that's exacerbated because not only is the talent pool sub-par, but you have a new staff coming in that wants to overhaul and rebuild an already sub-par roster every few years. We can't even rebuild, we are rebuilding a rebuild over and over.

 

[MattFancy]

I have been thinking about what Marvin Lewis has accomplished in Cincinnati. Cincinnati was long regarded as a moribund franchise with basically a really cheap owner. Lewis went into Cincinnati with a plan on how to turn the franchise around. I know he strongly called for increased spending on scouting and facilities. This is now his 12 season in Cincinnati and they are a much better franchise than when he took over.

I think Cincy is a really good example of what stability can do for you that gets overlooked because of them not doing much in the playoffs. Like you said, they're a historically bad team with a coach that isn't highly regarded that has become consistently in the playoff hunt every year and I think a huge part of that is the stability. The Skins do a poor job of player evaluation and that's exacerbated because not only is the talent pool sub-par, but you have a new staff coming in that wants to overhaul and rebuild an already sub-par roster every few years. We can't even rebuild, we are rebuilding a rebuild over and over.

That you and look at some of the more successful teams and they aren't big players in FA. I remember watching the Packers/Bears game and they said there's only 5 players on the Packers who weren't drafted by the team. That's crazy. The Skins have barely drafted 5 high impact guys the last 5 years.

 

[fatness]

By the way, Morgan Moses played pretty well against Tampa Bay. Tom Compton didn't.

Those 2 are the focus of the article but it also seems Chester played lousy. No surprise there.

I don't know if Moses has progressed a lot since the preseason, or if he's better on the left side, or both. But he and Lichtensteiger seemed like their 2 best O-linemen on Sunday.

 

[fatness]

Awesome RG3 press conference. Loved it.

Now it'll be "RGIII throws press under the bus!!!!!!"

 

[fatness]

I think at the end of the season Haslett will be gone. And I think Allen, Gruden, and Griffin will still be here. Not that all that makes sense, but it's what I think will happen.

 

[fatness]

John Keim @john_keim · 5h 5 hours ago

#Redskins D has allowed 36 pass plays of 20+ yards, tied for 22nd in NFL. behind them: Arizona (37), Pats (38), Steelers (40), Eagles (41)

John Keim @john_keim · 4h 4 hours ago

Skins D has some issues, no doubt. But here's the killer stat: 9 turnovers caused. three teams worse: Jets,Raiders and Chiefs.

 

[Milkman]

When's Snyder leaving.

 

[fatness]

The Redskins are 24th in points allowed and 22nd in points scored per game. Of the bottom 12 teams in points per game on offense, only one (Detroit) has a winning record. And of the bottom 12 in points allowed per game, only one (Indianapolis) has a winning record.

The Redskins have faced five offenses ranked in the bottom 12 of points per game; four of them have scored more than their season average against Washington. They faced three defenses in the bottom 12 and in each case scored less than what those teams give up on average.

The Redskins are now minus-62 in points-off-turnover differential -- worst in the NFL. Believe it or not, they were plus-6 last season in part because the defense created 26 turnovers that turned into 94 points. This season, Washington has scored an NFL-low nine points off nine turnovers.

http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/13049/redskins-numbers-dont-add-up

Jeez they're bad.

 

[fatness]

When's Snyder leaving.

When Morgan Moses becomes a bust.

 

[fatness]

Skeletor is in a tanning bed laughing somewhere right now.

Let's be fair. He did that while he was here, too.

 

[MattFancy]

John Keim @john_keim · 5h 5 hours ago

#Redskins D has allowed 36 pass plays of 20+ yards, tied for 22nd in NFL. behind them: Arizona (37), Pats (38), Steelers (40), Eagles (41)

John Keim @john_keim · 4h 4 hours ago

Skins D has some issues, no doubt. But here's the killer stat: 9 turnovers caused. three teams worse: Jets,Raiders and Chiefs.

RG3 plays defense too?

 

[Milkman]

When's Snyder leaving.

When Morgan Moses becomes a bust.

Promise?

 

[TobiasFunke]

The Redskins are 24th in points allowed and 22nd in points scored per game. Of the bottom 12 teams in points per game on offense, only one (Detroit) has a winning record. And of the bottom 12 in points allowed per game, only one (Indianapolis) has a winning record.

The Redskins have faced five offenses ranked in the bottom 12 of points per game; four of them have scored more than their season average against Washington. They faced three defenses in the bottom 12 and in each case scored less than what those teams give up on average.

The Redskins are now minus-62 in points-off-turnover differential -- worst in the NFL. Believe it or not, they were plus-6 last season in part because the defense created 26 turnovers that turned into 94 points. This season, Washington has scored an NFL-low nine points off nine turnovers.

http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/13049/redskins-numbers-dont-add-up

Jeez they're bad.

The turnover differential is kind of bad but turnover differential has a huge luck component. What's crazy to me is the nine points. The average NFL drive scores 1.93 points. The Skins are way below that average on turnovers even though on average you should have much better starting field position on a turnover (no kickoff or punt shifting field position). Probably just a weird small sample quirk, but it's absolutely killing them that they're pissing away the few chances they get to completely shift the course of a game by following up a turnover with a score.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

I'm focused on San Francisco now.

 

[Warpig]

Super Bob press conference in about 10 minutes

Link if anyone wants to watch: http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/WATCH-LIVE-Robert-Griffin-III-At-The-Podium/2b2cd12a-6a9e-4969-acd8-2ca8f64e17bd

LOL! What?!?! Where's all that free flowing crap that usually spews from his mouth? I tried to defend him recently, but he's really turning in to a whiny 81tch lately. They should just cut him and move on. He's supposed to be an athlete but can't even perform a slide without breaking a bone. Players and the city have grown tired of his antics.

 

[dgreen]

The Redskins are 24th in points allowed and 22nd in points scored per game. Of the bottom 12 teams in points per game on offense, only one (Detroit) has a winning record. And of the bottom 12 in points allowed per game, only one (Indianapolis) has a winning record.

The Redskins have faced five offenses ranked in the bottom 12 of points per game; four of them have scored more than their season average against Washington. They faced three defenses in the bottom 12 and in each case scored less than what those teams give up on average.

The Redskins are now minus-62 in points-off-turnover differential -- worst in the NFL. Believe it or not, they were plus-6 last season in part because the defense created 26 turnovers that turned into 94 points. This season, Washington has scored an NFL-low nine points off nine turnovers.

http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/13049/redskins-numbers-dont-add-up

Jeez they're bad.

The turnover differential is kind of bad but turnover differential has a huge luck component. What's crazy to me is the nine points. The average NFL drive scores 1.93 points. The Skins are way below that average on turnovers even though on average you should have much better starting field position on a turnover (no kickoff or punt shifting field position). Probably just a weird small sample quirk, but it's absolutely killing them that they're pissing away the few chances they get to completely shift the course of a game by following up a turnover with a score.

Yeah, tons of luck in turnovers. I find it funny that players and coaches keep saying how they spend time in practice on causing turnovers and make it a point of emphasis. How's that working? Maybe spend more time on things that are less random, like covering and tackling, shedding blocks, and rushing the passer? Or, maybe more time practicing and emphasizing who is supposed to be where on certain coverages?

 

[MattFancy]

Question for you guys in here: What are your expectations of RG3 this week and what do you want to see that will make you happy with his play this week?

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Super Bob press conference in about 10 minutes

Link if anyone wants to watch: http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/WATCH-LIVE-Robert-Griffin-III-At-The-Podium/2b2cd12a-6a9e-4969-acd8-2ca8f64e17bd

LOL! What?!?! Where's all that free flowing crap that usually spews from his mouth? I tried to defend him recently, but he's really turning in to a whiny 81tch lately. They should just cut him and move on. He's supposed to be an athlete but can't even perform a slide without breaking a bone. Players and the city have grown tired of his antics.

Again, we are focused on San Francisco...

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Question for you guys in here: What are your expectations of RG3 this week and what do you want to see that will make you happy with his play this week?

Competent professional football being played...

 

[MattFancy]

Question for you guys in here: What are your expectations of RG3 this week and what do you want to see that will make you happy with his play this week?

Competent professional football being played...

So if he plays like he did against Houston...yay or nay?

 

[Milkman]

Question for you guys in here: What are your expectations of RG3 this week and what do you want to see that will make you happy with his play this week?

I want him to take responsibility for his mistakes after the game. I'd also like to see him, at least at the press conference, take responsibility for some mistakes that aren't his fault. They can address them during the week with the other players but that's what a leader does. A leader makes it easier on his teammates. If he had done that from the beginning that locker room would be behind him 100%.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Question for you guys in here: What are your expectations of RG3 this week and what do you want to see that will make you happy with his play this week?

Competent professional football being played...

So if he plays like he did against Houston...yay or nay?

Yeah, it would be okay for starters...not ideal, but far better than the latest example we've seen. He has another completely lost look.action like vs. Bucs, then I think it's a wrap.

 

[AB in DC]

This is a must-read.

Former Redskins tight end Chris Cooley has spent the past couple of seasons doing weekly film breakdowns of every Redskins starter on his ESPN 980 afternoon program. Whether or not you trust Cooley’s analysis, he offers a detailed level of praise and criticism that isn’t always easy to find, filled with specifics and a sometimes startling frankness.

This week, during his weekly look at the team’s offense, Cooley changed things up. He spent an entire half-hour dissecting the play of just one man: the quarterback, Robert Griffin III.

“What we are going to do is we are going to give incomplete to the entire offense,” Cooley said. “Because I don’t know how to grade them….I can’t grade the pass game. Our quarterback does not allow a proper grading of the pass game, because there was something I’ve never seen go on on a football field before.

“There was a game plan initially installed, which was not run or operated in any way shape or form the way it should have been,” Cooley went on. “There was a quarterback not reading the field when he should have been, there was a quarterback scrambling when he [shouldn't have been]….You can’t grade anyone else around Robert because of the way Robert played.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Super Bob press conference in about 10 minutes

Link if anyone wants to watch: http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/WATCH-LIVE-Robert-Griffin-III-At-The-Podium/2b2cd12a-6a9e-4969-acd8-2ca8f64e17bd

LOL! What?!?! Where's all that free flowing crap that usually spews from his mouth? I tried to defend him recently, but he's really turning in to a whiny 81tch lately. They should just cut him and move on. He's supposed to be an athlete but can't even perform a slide without breaking a bone. Players and the city have grown tired of his antics.

Based on your tone here I am dubious of the bolded.

He played very poorly in one game and then made some iffy word choices in his PC that were unfairly taken out of context by NBC and everyone else who decided to run with it as a story, as is explained here. He's still a talented guy who was rookie of the year two seasons ago when he posted on of the greatest rookie QB seasons in the history of the sport. You don't run a guy like that out of town based on one bad season when he was recovering from a torn ACL (and still posted a both a better passer rating and a better TD/INT ratio than the career marks of both Cousins and McCoy) and one awful game. No matter how angry this city's unreasonable football fans might get about that one awful game.

 

[Dondante]

Super Bob press conference in about 10 minutes

Link if anyone wants to watch: http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/WATCH-LIVE-Robert-Griffin-III-At-The-Podium/2b2cd12a-6a9e-4969-acd8-2ca8f64e17bd

LOL! What?!?! Where's all that free flowing crap that usually spews from his mouth? I tried to defend him recently, but he's really turning in to a whiny 81tch lately. They should just cut him and move on. He's supposed to be an athlete but can't even perform a slide without breaking a bone. Players and the city have grown tired of his antics.

Based on your tone here I am dubious of the bolded.

He played very poorly in one game and then made some iffy word choices in his PC that were unfairly taken out of context by NBC and everyone else who decided to run with it as a story, as is explained here. He's still a talented guy who was rookie of the year two seasons ago when he posted on of the greatest rookie QB seasons in the history of the sport. You don't run a guy like that out of town based on one bad season when he was recovering from a torn ACL (and still posted a both a better passer rating and a better TD/INT ratio than the career marks of both Cousins and McCoy) and one awful game. No matter how angry this city's unreasonable football fans might get about that one awful game.

They can't all be Brady, but you'd never hear him speak like this. The problem with Griffin is it's always something like this. His mouth and his ego don't do him any favors. Defend him all you want, I mean it's not like he's not speaking the truth, but the great ones always find a way to put the blame on themselves the same way they put the team on their back and win games they shouldn't. If he ever starts doing that he'll be fine in this league. He's got to find a way to stay healthy first, however.

 

[dhockster]

I am becoming very leery of NFL QB's with extreme running ability that propel them to do great things in college. Reasons:

-Their mental side of the game tends to be less developed because they have been successful relying on their running ability.

-Their running ability doesn't put them above other players nearly as much in the NFL as it did in college.

-They don't learn how to move in the pocket, because they are used to using their legs to start running rather than buy more time in the pocket

-Because of these first three, they have their first exposure to failure. Most of these QB's with great running ability have never had to overcome failure before the NFL and they don't know what to do.

Examples: Vick, Young, Tebow

Still Pending: Newton, Griffin, Manziel

On Deck: Mariotta

Right now, Griffin seems to be stuggling with failing for the first time in his life. We will see how he overcomes it.

In the NFL, you can't be a one trick pony because teams adjust and take that trick away from you. It's the QB's that can then adjust their game that are successful.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Why does everyone keep saying too much is invested in RG3 to part ways with him. That's BS. Those are the people that don't understand what it takes to make a team work.

If the Chargers had given up 2 first round picks for Ryan Leaf, should they have kept him? If the Bengals had given up 2 first round picks for Akili Smith should they have kept him? I would hope not. It doesn't matter what they gave up. They need to decide if the kid can play QB in the NFL. The rest of it is meaningless. I don't even think the Rams got much from the picks we gave up, so maybe we gave up nothing for him. Let him play out the year, which is dead anyways, and see if he can turn the corner. If not, move on.

 

[fatness]

I find it funny that players and coaches keep saying how they spend time in practice on causing turnovers and make it a point of emphasis. How's that working? Maybe spend more time on things that are less random, like covering and tackling, shedding blocks, and rushing the passer? Or, maybe more time practicing and emphasizing who is supposed to be where on certain coverages?

Heresy!

I've never seen so many defensive players look uncertain of their assignments as I've seen in burgundy and gold playing defense this year.

 

[Swing 51]

Subway Bob comes off as immature and condescending in today's presser along with that smug smile. Act like a ####### grown man already.

And that Cooley breakdown is a good read. Like Tobias and others have said, only one game, but yikes that was a terrible game he had vs. TB.

 

[fatness]

This is a must-read.

That was a piss poor segment by Cooley. There was a ton of things to analyze on offense, like the O-line blocking, the RB play, the WR play, things we all watched on Sunday. Cooley skipped it all and went for the cheap shot, the headline-of-the-moment grabber: "pile on Griffin". That's the first of his breakdowns in which I've been disappointed, because he pretended no other player did anything right or wrong and effectively covered up every offensive mistake except Griffin's. How about Compton's #### blocking? And Chester's? How about Moses's decent blocking? How about the before-the-snap penalties?

Piss poor.

 

[fatness]

Question for you guys in here: What are your expectations of RG3 this week and what do you want to see that will make you happy with his play this week?

Something like this would be OK, without the critical INT, but with the 3 second-half scoring drives. But that was a million years ago, and he may never approach that form again.

 

[fatness]

So if he plays like he did against Houston...yay or nay?

I don't ever want to see a defeatist game plan like the one in the Houston game again. It gave the Skins little chance to win.

 

[fatness]

Looks like Jay Gruden's done some thinking about how to coach a team.

John Keim @john_keim · 6h 6 hours ago

Gruden says he wishes he hadn't said what he did about rg3 on Monday about his play

John Keim @john_keim · 6h 6 hours ago

Gruden says "both of us should be questioned equally"

 

[fatness]

Jay Gruden acknowledged Wednesday that he should not have singled out quarterback Robert Griffin III following Sunday’s defeat and that he will avoid public critiques in the future.

“Early on in the season, when I first got the job, I knew there were going to be a lot of questions about Robert,” Gruden said. “But I wanted to make this thing about the Redskins and not about him, and somehow we’ve made it more about him than about the team. And that’s my fault. The big thing moving forward is, let’s correct everybody, not single anybody out and move on and do what we can do to beat San Francisco.”

http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/gruden-rg3s-work-ethic-he-does-what-hes-supposed-do

Gruden's been listening to Marvelous and some others in this topic.

 

[fatness]

Get ready for Morgan Moses on Sunday. He played 65 snaps this past Sunday and did all right.

http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/trent-williams-among-redskins-not-practicing

As expected, Redskins left tackle Trent Williams was not in pads at the start of Wednesday’s practice.Instead, the two-time Pro Bowler, who suffered an sprained right knee and ankle in Sunday’s loss to the Buccaneers, was dressed in a sweatsuit as he watched from the sidelines.

Williams is not expected to practice Thursday, either, and could miss Sunday’s game in San Francisco.

Meantime, left guard Shawn Lauvao (concussion), tight end Jordan Reed (hamstring) and Chris Baker (sternum) rehabbed off to the side as their teammates participated in individual drills.

Outside linebacker Trent Murphy (partially torn PCL) did, however, participate in individual drills during the 20 minutes of practice that were open to reporters.

Does anyone have an old couch they want to get rid of? To replace Lauvao on Sunday.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

If im Bruce allen or danny boy im hiring a PR group to train the entire staff and players how to handle the media. These reporters are like wolves right now. And everyone from the coaches to the players are just giving them ammo.

 

[fatness]

Tarik El-Bashir @TarikCSN · 7h 7 hours ago

Gruden accepted more blame. The sloppy play, the false starts, the penalties, lining up wrong, is a direct reflection of the coaching.

 

[fatness]

If im Bruce allen or danny boy im hiring a PR group to train the entire staff and players how to handle the media. These reporters are like wolves right now. And everyone from the coaches to the players are just giving them ammo.

Good idea, except it would be Snyder and Allen doing the hiring so it would go badly. Look at their PR guy now, Tony Wyllie. He's utterly hated by the players and makes a fool of himself in public.

"No means no!"

 

[PinkydaPimp]

If im Bruce allen or danny boy im hiring a PR group to train the entire staff and players how to handle the media. These reporters are like wolves right now. And everyone from the coaches to the players are just giving them ammo.

Good idea, except it would be Snyder and Allen doing the hiring so it would go badly. Look at their PR guy now, Tony Wyllie. He's utterly hated by the players and makes a fool of himself in public.

"No means no!"

that speaks volumes. the dysfunction is at every level of the organization!