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***Official*** Washington Redskins 2014 Thread (In-Season) (2 Viewers)
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dcgangstas
Footballguy
It's going to be a media circus in Indy this week. The number 1 pick in the 2012 Draft (Andrew Luck) is heading towards super-stardom, and the number 2 pick in the 2012 Draft (Robert Griffin III) will probably be deactivated for the game.
ESPN's probably working on the "30 for 30" series as we speak. And to cap it off, Griffin may wind up in St Louis (who got THREE first round picks from the Skins to get Griffin) or in Philly with the Chipper. If this was a movie, no one would believe it to be plausible.
ESPN's probably working on the "30 for 30" series as we speak. And to cap it off, Griffin may wind up in St Louis (who got THREE first round picks from the Skins to get Griffin) or in Philly with the Chipper. If this was a movie, no one would believe it to be plausible.
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MattFancy
Footballguy
I always like Kyle and when he was brought here from Houston, I had hoped he would be the coach in waiting. But like you said, that sailed when Mike went crazy here.
MattFancy
Footballguy
Although many were unhappy with Kyle while he was here, all indications were that he is a very good OC. He made the offense work with Grossman. He completely changed it when Griffin arrived. And it looked much different as soon as Cousins became the QB. The running back coach, Bobby Turner, also looks like he is a very good coach.
Mike Shanahan did some bizarre things. I hope Kyle learned the better way to run a team and not the heavy-handed ways of his father. Kyle will be a head coach in the not too distant future.
babydemon90
Footballguy
If anyone could turn Griffin around, it'd be Chip Kelly. I'm not sure he'd be interested though, since it would take a trade to get him next offseason, and is he really an upgrade over Foles?. I'd be shocked if the Redskins didn't give Griffin the start next season to give him one more shot - with so much invested in him, to cut bait now would be a huge setback. I understand sunk cost and all, but unless everyone is convinced RG3 has no redeeming qualities, you gotta keep him.
I think the 'starting Colt' thing is about Gruden trying to prove to his boss that his system works - he needs to find someone who can run his offense, or he's got nothing positive to show for his efforts.
You look at it the wrong way.....when it comes to sucking and dysfunction we are the best!!!!
Milkman
Footballguy
We have no direction either. It's just brutal. It's to the point now where I have no faith that the organization is going to turn anything around in the next 5 years. I mean I used to get excited about the draft but the Skins aren't one draft away and my gawd are they terrible at scouting talent. Last time I'll mention it because I know there are posters in here that get upset talking about it but Joel Bitonio is the second rated G on PFF in the NFL as a rookie. He's a foundation type player that was seemingly everybody but the skins BPA and it was a position of desperate need. They passed on him. These kind of mistakes set teams back years.
Brutal.
Brutal.
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MattFancy
Footballguy
We're allergic to drafting OL around here. Think the current roster has 4 guys that we drafted to play OL. Just 4 and 2 of them were from the 2014 draft.
When you'd rather spend money on high priced FAs instead of building through the draft, you get the mess we have now. We seem to always be in "win now" mode, but we rarely do.
dgreen
Footballguy
That's what I'd do, basically treating it like my fantasy football team. But, the Redskins and NFL teams have to deal with actual people and their emotions and their actions. I think it CAN work where they keep him around, work with him on improving, and give him a legit shot to be the starter again. But, as I approach 40 years old, I'm tempted to say something stupid like "That will never happen in TODAY's NFL. Back in the good old days, it could work and you wouldn't have to worry about players crying and whining."
If RGIII is unwilling to be the backup if someone else is playing better, then it's not necessarily the best idea to keep him. If you keep him, with the footnote that he must be the starter, then you have to think long and hard before doing that for next year. This is why I thought they should let him play out THIS year, so they can move confidently forward one way or the other.
But even if the coaching staff could be persuaded to keep Robert on as a backup / project for the future, Robert would never go for it. He's going to want to be on a team where he's "the guy" with no questions asked. And he may have to hit the market to see what his true value outside of the Redskins are.
Again, this is why they needed to play him the rest of this year. Use this year to answer the question: 'can he be our starter?" And then move decisively one way or another. I don't buy the fact that you can't tell over the course of the rest of this season. I think you can, but you have to play him to find out.
The more I think of this, the more I expect we will see a trade in the offseason.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Ted Mullins
Footballguy
Jason Reid from WAPO airing out some old behind the scenes drama
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/11/26/jason-reid-tells-all-after-reported-benching-of-robert-griffin-iii/
The implication that I am getting is that rookie year success/support from Snyder went to Griffin's head and made him not want to listen to Kyle (just what I am taking from this handful of tweets)
Just IMO but if that is the case that's a bad look for Robert - I agree with the other recent posts that Kyle did a really nice job with the offense here and set Griffin up to succeed right away.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/11/26/jason-reid-tells-all-after-reported-benching-of-robert-griffin-iii/
The implication that I am getting is that rookie year success/support from Snyder went to Griffin's head and made him not want to listen to Kyle (just what I am taking from this handful of tweets)
Just IMO but if that is the case that's a bad look for Robert - I agree with the other recent posts that Kyle did a really nice job with the offense here and set Griffin up to succeed right away.
That is a pretty crazy read and definitely worth it. This is the best tweet:
Jason Reid @JReidPostFollowTalking with a team source last month, I asked him how he thought this would end. "Soon and badly," he said. "Like most things [here]."
dgreen
Footballguy
That's a really tough spot to put him in. If the owner is taking some kind of initiative to form a relationship with you and treat you differently (speculation), it's an almost impossible situation.
nittanylion
Footballguy
Most of you guys know I'm a Chef, and I swim pretty deeply in the D.C. restaurant ocean with some pretty big fish...although given the fact that despite all the misery he's putting US through, Daniel Snyder continues to make an exorbitant and obscene amount of money with this Team, despite it's pathetic season-to-season performance, so it would be absolutely ridiculous for him to sell, and the price at this time would be ridiculously inflated simply because the Team continues to prosper at an astounding rate...but there's significant meat to the bones of the rumor that David Chang, of Momofuku (New York) fame, who was born and raised in Northern VA, and was raised, and continues to be, and ardent 'skins fan, in addition to his own personal wealth, has access to a group of investors with the kind of very deep pockets that could even imagine putting offer in ink that Snyder would take a perfunctory glance at. If there were a financial hiccup coming as a result of just how far the Organization has hit bottom (and I'm sure we all find it astonishing that it hasn't happened already, I have every reason to believe inquiries would be made relatively quickly.
Now, on another issue:
I'm only clinging to my tickets for emotional reasons that at this point have nothing to do with the Redskins, and everything to do with my departed Dad. With every crappy season that's gone by in the 15 years since his passing, I'm trying ever harder to get past that and walk away.
Stop buying the tickets, stop buying the merchandise, stop going to games, stop watching and listening - so much easier said than done I don't know why I'm even bothering to waste space and time typing it, but until Disco Dan starts getting kicked in the pocket of his pants where he keeps his wallet, nothing's changing.
Some part of him (maybe just a sliver, but it's inside almost everyone who does business in these financial circles of magnitude) just has to be thinking, "This is absolutely crazy - I wonder how far I can push the envelope with these fans until they stop giving me money"...
This is my 2nd busiest time of the year. Let me get through the holiday season, and I'll write at length from what I've heard over the past several weeks from the folks I know, who, though no longer directly associated with the Coaching Staff and business side of the Organization, still have a pipeline to what's really going on over there, and I will regale you all with stories of how Snyder's continued meddling behind the scenes (that they are doing an credible job keeping the lid on), undermined both the Shanahan regime and is currently doing the same to what Gruden is trying to establish here.
In the interim, let me just say the following before I get dragged back into the kitchen preparing for tomorrow:
Shanahan must have had language in his Contract that prevented him from talking or writing about what went on between him and Snyder while he was here. The money he was paid, in part, effectively served as a bribe to keep his mouth shut after he no longer worked here, but if he told his story, what a story he'd tell. Starting with the drafting of Robert Griffin.
Football Players, at their core, are creatures of habit and routine, to a fault. A major fault, for better or for worse, but it is what it is, and it ain't changing. Football organizations are, as well. Every consistently successful one operates under relatively the same, identical set of rules and behaviors. The slightest dysfunction can send the entire ball of wax into a tailspin, which may take multiple seasons to work it's way out of, and the ripple effect can go on forever. Imagine what a Player coming here from the Patriots, Steelers, Giants, Eagles, to name a few, must go through when they have enough exposure to the organizational mess to be able to say 'just what in the hell is going on here?!?!?!'
One of the worst breaches of the foundation of stability occurs when it's leaked internally to the Players that the Owner is undermining the Coach in any way, shape or form. Successful organizations consistently have a clearly defined role, relationship, responsibility and behavior for Owner, General Manager and Head Coach to follow. Under the Snyder regime, we have never had this, including this Season. Having no 'true' General Manager is certainly a major symptom, but make no mistake, behind the scenes, Snyder continues to cross lines, and that directly led to the end of the Shanahan regime, and what's going on with the Gruden regime today. Just like with Shanahan, the Players know, and just like Shanahan, the Players know how much it's having a negative impact on the Coach and his ability to do his job, and once the Players know that the Coach is in some way, shape or form, is being emasculated by an Owner overstepping his boundaries, everything in the locker room, the practice field and game day, gets negatively impacted. Again, I'm telling you, this happened with Shanahan, and it's happening now with Gruden...and it's exponentially worse for Gruden because he's new to the position, unlike Shanahan who brought with him, like Joe Gibbs, and Schottenheimer, a tremendous amount of gravitas, something Dan Snyder has a very hard time dealing with. Despite everything that went on here while Shanahan was the Coach, none of his peers in the business, both on the football side, in coaching and management, and on the national media side (not the second-rate local media side), hold any of that against him, and it's not just 'old boy network' stuff - he's legitimately respected and held in high regard by everyone in the business who matters, and for the most part they all agree that what happened here, both to him and the Redskins, was the result of a bad hand he was dealt by being part of this disfunctional organization and doesn't reflect negatively on him, at all. If he Coaches again, and for a respectable properly-run organization, (and the current Bears are probably not the right choice for him, despite the rumors that's where he's possibly headed), I think there's going to be a lot of shock and surprise here just how well he does. Hopefully he's learned from his experience here not to just follow the money, and to evaluate the quality of the organization he works for in his next coaching stint.
Another is when any Player has direct access to the Owner for anything more than a pat on the back for a good performance, or time of personal tragedy, or a few other circumstances. In every successful professional football organization, there is a clearly defined, and (and this is extremely important): EXPECTED - BY PLAYERS, COACHES AND MANAGEMENT ALIKE - chain of command, that is not to be breached under any normal circumstance, and in the case of abnormal circumstance that requires it, quickly and brutally restored as soon as the temporary crisis passes. As soon as the Players understand that that breach exists, and is ongoing and accepted, again, things break down in the locker room, on the practice field, and on game day. That's happened since the Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders era, through the LaVar era, and continues in fine tradition with Brittle Bobby 3-Sticks.
All I'm asking is for some of you on the Gruden witch-hunt to tone down your rhetoric a bit, and look a little deeper for the sources of what's going on this Season. A major, unrepairable rift hit the 2014 Redskins when it was decided, and not by the Coach, who should be the ultimate be-all, end-all authority when it comes to such things, and if he's not, the Players can absolutely NOT KNOW ABOUT IT - that Griffin would start the Vikings game over Colt McCoy. The veteran core of the Team who'd been here to see it happen to Shanahan, and who'd been optimistic that under a new Coach, things might be different, got the football pulled away from Charlie Brown like Lucy does, again, and apparently you could hear the optimism leave the locker room like air out of a balloon when that announcement was made, and it was discovered by the Players, over the head of the Head Coach, and the vets enthusiasm faded under a cloud of 'here we go again'. That's a valid, inside reason why they came out so flat against the Vikings, and why they've remained in a funk ever since, and why guys like DeSean Jackson, who for all his shortcomings as a person, spent his entire previous career playing for what is widely considered by folks who know what they're talking about as one of the best-run organizations in Professional Football, the Eagles, is starting to go a little nuts. Ryan Clark, too, who's spent enough time with the Steelers to know how a proper organization is run, doing his second stint here - dysfunctional to functional and back again - doing the same thing.
Sorry guys, but that's the house we're livin' in. Let me get through the holidays, and I'll have more to offer. I'm catering a few events where I'm going to have some off the record access to folks who are close enough to know what's really going on. Holiday drinks lead to loose lips. Hoping to have more for you guys to chew on come 2015...
dgreen
Footballguy
I'm starting to hope that Griffin goes somewhere else and is great. Maybe even that he rips us apart in a few games along the way. Can you imagine the reaction we'll have if he's tearing it up somewhere else? Meanwhile, we'll be on to our next coach, probably 6 more QBs will have come through, Allen will still be treating this franchise like a political party, and Snyder will be treating it like a toy.
Right now, the hope for improvement has to come from Gruden. It's not coming from above him and below him is currently a mess.
Right now, the hope for improvement has to come from Gruden. It's not coming from above him and below him is currently a mess.
nittanylion
Footballguy
There's a lot more to this than meets the eye. When Mike Shanahan was hired here, there were promises made and expectations set about the Coach's role and how the Owner would behave. The kind of stuff you just don't expect to see written into a contract. Those all went to pot with the selection of Robert Griffin, which was not a Shanahan decision. Eventually, as can happen in all Organizations, especially disfunctional ones, that information gets leaked all the way down to the locker room, and a destructive cycle begins that's pretty much irrepairable. You're asking a lot of any Coach, once that happens, to 'just rise above it' ... put in a similar situation, could you, or anyone else of us? Especially one of the caliber and with the gravitas of a Mike Shanahan?
The 'right' thing to do would be to quit and walk away, but we're talking about life-changing amounts of money involved. IF what I'm telling you turns out to be true and accurate, and not just hearsay I've heard from folks who have, at this point, indirect access, but legitimate access nonetheless, would it surprise anyone that once Mike Shanahan was in it only for the money, but his heart wasn't in it any more because of Snyder crossing those lines despite promising he wouldn't when Shanahan agreed to take the job, what would any of us expect to happen...and how would we expect the Players to react once they knew that contrary to how any properly-run professional football organization would operate, the Owner-Coach relationship had been breached and violated, and the Head Coach had, in effect, been emasculated. The whole thing - locker room, practice field, and game day performance, all gets undermined and becomes victim to the inevitable disfunction that follows.
Really, no matter how long you've been a fan of this Team, and for me it's been 46 years, at least 38 of them consciously...it's time to cut bait until Ownership changes. So glad I watch every game every week now, and don't focus as much on the Redskins play or results. The ship has sailed, and we're all fools to think it's coming home to port until there's a change at the very top.
We've been reduced to having to hope for a scandal.
Anyone else here know anyone who went to Woodward H.S. here in Rockville any time between 1980 and 1988?
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nittanylion
Footballguy
This is the Redskins, being operated under the Ownership of Dan Snyder. Anything is possible, although I'm growing increasingly pessimistic that that includes 'anything good'.
nittanylion
Footballguy
Someone earlier made the point that Gruden was a bad hire for Griffin and Griffin a bad fit for Gruden at QB.
That's about as true and accurate as it gets, folks.
Now, here's the rub: IF we had a competent GM, the 1st question that would have been asked of Gruden, after, no, maybe even BEFORE, he gave his presentation, in his interview, would have been this:
"We have this QB, and we view his success as being more important than ANYTHING else in the whole organization. Here's his tape. Here's what he is, and what he is not. We cannot hire anyone as a Coach unless a central component of his commitment is a commitment to Robert Griffin and his success as a QB, even moreso than winning or losing football games. Winning will follow. Can you, and your system make a success out of our QB? Because if you can't mold him to fit what you're doing, or he isn't the kind of QB required to do what it is you want to do, this interview is over, and we need to move on to the next candidate."
This is not something I've heard either directly or indirectly, but knowing what we know about Snyder and Allen, I think it's very safe to assume that that question was likely never asked. The #1 question any competent NFL GM would have had for every potential applicant, given the commitment the Organization made to acquire the Player.
I feel terribly bad for Gruden. He's been emasculated, and the Players know it.
fatness
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
I'm not convinced there's anything going on but a head coach getting desperate to win some games. I think he's staring at a 3-13 season being a real possibility, wondering how his talks with the GM and owner will go when it's over, and pulling one of the few strings he knows how to pull -- try changing QB's. I don't see it as any more complicated than that.
What would be cool to me is if in their NFL futures, all 3 QB's (Griffin, McCoy, Cousins) actually came back and became good staring QB's here or somewhere else. Griffin and Cousins are near rock bottom now after getting worse under Gruden. McCoy failed in Cleveland and bounced around before landing here. All 3 qualify as underdogs now, and I love seeing underdogs turn it around.
Ted Mullins
Footballguy
I agree with this. I have been mostly defending Robert/criticizing Gruden not adapting his system at all, but if the offense is going to continue to follow the same scheme it has been then Robert is not well suited to run it at this point. I actually thought there was a decent chance Gruden would let Griffin start the rest of the season and more or less let him sink or swim, figuring he'd either develop or he'd continue to play poorly enough that no one would fault Gruden for moving on.fatness said:
Here's a brief writeup Greg Cosell recently did on Griffin's struggles - http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/shutdown-corner/greg-cosell-s-film-review--robert-griffin-iii-s-issues-214738329.html - For perspective Cosell seems to be huge on pocket passing and doesn't care much about QBs having mobility - however, everything I saw from him leading up to the 2012 draft suggested he actually preferred RG3 to Luck. Said he had a nice delivery/accuracy, stronger arm, and played well in muddy pockets. Griffin's recent struggles have led to some people acting like he is Tim Tebow but there are some very smart guys who liked him a lot as a passer coming out.
Disappointed but not surprised at all about what Nittany said/hinted at regarding Snyder and the front office - this franchise is such a total circus. I really try to just enjoy the wins and detach myself when things go bad (90% of the time) and put as little money as possible in Snyder's pockets. Thanks for sharing Nittany.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone, at least we won't lose tomorrow?
If Gruden didn't bring up Griffin and what Allen/Snyder envisioned regarding his future Gruden is a total moron. I agree with fatty this situation reeks of an incompetent HC struggling to take the focus off of himself.Although I also think Allen/Griffin are a couple of putzes too.nittanylion said:
Snyder is an ### hole. But no one has been able to point to anything specific that he's done to cause this team to fail, other than poor GM hiring.
Milkman
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
CR69
Footballguy
If he is "allowing" this to happen, doesn't that means it's ultimately his decision and that he's calling the shots?
All NFL teams are highly sought after positions. Even when a team is God awful there is never a shortage of coaches who think they can turn things around. See Gibbs 2.0 or Shanny or Gruden or the laundry list of coaches that have been through here.
nittanylion
Footballguy
Taking a break from all-nighter prep for family Thanksgiving tomorrow. Cooking for about 3 dozen, give or take, Miles to go before I sleep.
Listen, I can't blame you if you tl;dr'd my previous posting, because it IS pretty lengthy, and I have a tendency to wax poetic instead of just spitting things out, but if you did read what I posted, I thought I made it pretty clear that the folks I've either had conversations with, or listened in on conversations that took place in private social events, that there was a tacit agreement between Snyder and Shanahan that when it came to the Draft, Snyder would have no involvement at all, and all decisions would be made by Shanahan/Allen. The trade between the Rams and the Redskins and the subsequent selection of Robert Griffin III was orchestrated by Snyder and Allen over Shanahan's objection - he neither agreed with the choice of Player, nor the compensation involved with acquiring him. The selection of Cousins WAS a Shanahan pick, used by Shanahan to get a QB with profile he wanted on the Roster as a Plan B if Griffin didn't work out, which was what Shanahan suspected would happen. The intrusion of Snyder into the Draft process was a direct breach of the tacit agreement Snyder had with Shanahan under which auspices Shanahan agreed to coach the Redskins. In the wake of that intrusion, Shanahan was disillusioned and disheartened. Shanahan is the type of guy who wears his emotions on his sleeve, and doesn't hide his feelings very well. Post-draft, there was a palpable sense around the organization and locker room that something in the dynamic had drastically changed. Shanahan's whole demeanor and persona spoke of someone who was, at the least extremely irritated and unhappy. HIs heart was no longer in it, but he wasn't going to quit because of the amount of money involved. Of course, the Players and Coaches sensed this, and given that the Head Coach's son is the Offensive Co-oordinater, perhaps conversations that would otherwise be had away from the organization are had on premises and with other people who otherwise wouldn't be included. Eventually, what happened with the Draft made it's way down the the Players.
As I mentioned previously, I have first-hand experience/exposure to how high-level college and professional football operations work, courtesy of my association with the Penn State football program and my good friend who worked for the Redskins, and through him, association with folks who were on the Team, Coaching Staff and Mangement. Football Players in general, and Professional Football Players in particular are creatures of habit to a fault, and there is a relatively IDENTICAL BLUEPRINT that the majority of NFL Teams follow that's consistent across the League, in particular the most consistently successful ones, that promote this programmed approach. Under this blueprint, Owner, GM, Coaching Staff and Players all have clearly defined roles and expectations, and there is a clearly defined chain of command that isn't ever compromised.. The primary reason some organizations consistently stink, and the Redskins in particular are a good example of this, is because they have trouble sticking to the blueprint.
The ones who suffer the most from a disruption in the blueprint and chain of command are the Players, who are the most programmed bunch of the lot. When things are disrupted on the Player level, it's akin to kicking over an anthill. When it eventually leaked down the the locker room that Dan Snyder had, in effect, emasculated Mike Shanahan by interfering in the Draft, orchestrating that trade, giving up a ton of material and acquiring a Player the coach didn't want in the process, the entire process went to pot. At that point the Players know for sure that the Coach is no longer in charge, and the Owner is overstepping his bounds. They lose faith in the guy they are supposed to have complete and total accountability and allegiance to, because they know he's not being backed by the Owner, and that the Owner can call shots he's not supposed to. They get confused as to who is their boss. They start thinking, when it's their job just to DO. Professional football on the field is all about DOING without having to think about it. That's why it's all about repetition, repetition, repetition. Locker room, practice field, game day. Knowing this, if you put the Shanahan timeline under a microscope, you can connect the dots pretty easily.
Fast forward to 2014. I thought I made it pretty clear that through recent conversations I've either been a part of or overheard, the decision to start Griffin vs the Vikings came from Snyder, not Gruden. Again, in a properly functioning professional football organization, that decision is not the Owner's to make. Doing so directly undermined Gruden's authority, and it eventually leaked down to the Players that the Owner had once again emasculated the Head Coach. Confusion reigns supreme, and Players start thinking, instead of just doing. Gruden is currently disenchanted and unhappy, just like Shanahan before him, due primarily to the Owner having direct involvement and interference in areas that belong to the Head Coach. As a result, again, the entire Team is on tilt.
Lather, rinse, repeat. Leopards don't change their spots. What more do you want?
fatness
Footballguy
No sympathy here for Shanahan or Snyder, and very little if any for Gruden. If Shanahan was overruled he could have walked away, but he stuck it out whoring for money. And right now Shanahan's QB choice looks as bad or worse than Snyder's. And Shanahan's handling of players sucked, as did much of his coaching (or lack thereof).
If Gruden's getting overruled he can walk away. He may not even get that choice because if they're 3-13 he may get canned. If he sticks around and puts up with Snyder meddling, no sympathy from me.
Shanahan and Gruden both make more money than I do, and I've quit a job on principal. No other job lined up, little money in the bank, with one kid and another on the way. What my boss was doing was wrong -- I won't get into detaila -- and one day I had enough of it and just quit. Went to his house, told him why, and and walked away voluntarily unemployed and feeling clean and relieved. One of the best things I ever did.
I do agree that the structure of the team is all wrong. But I have no sympathy for Vinnie and none for Bruce Allen, both of whom were part of the mess. And if coaches continue putting up with the intolerable, they're choosing the money. Shanahan was wealthy when he took this job. Gruden was employed and had other job opportunities. They had a fairly good idea from talking to others what they were walking into working for Snyder. Choosing to put up with it for money is on them. There is no cure for what's wrong with the team structure as long as Snyder owns it and wants to meddle. But the people who work for him choose to do so, they're not forced, and the building in which they work has a door.
I don't mind at all talking about the team structure, how much or little Snyder is meddling, what the structure should be like, etc. But going beyond that and feeling sympathetic for those who work there -- to me that's crap.
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ImTheScientist
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Sebowski
Footballguy
If Gruden didn;t have the balls to start McCoy against the Vikings if that is what he wanted to do, then he doesn't have the balls to be a head coach. I don't buy it. It would have been a perfect opportunity for him to stand his ground say he is doing things his way or you can fire him. He would have left with his head high and any excuse to why things went South. Easily re-hirable to get a second shot at this. Now, he just looks like an idiot either way. Snyder doesn't run practice or turn in the team sheet. That's all an Gruden. No way around it.
The annoying part of the Minnesota game is that RG3 didn't lose that game. The defense letting Astassia walk straight up the middle every time he wanted and Gruden abandoning the run lost that game.
The annoying part of the Minnesota game is that RG3 didn't lose that game. The defense letting Astassia walk straight up the middle every time he wanted and Gruden abandoning the run lost that game.
Milkman
Footballguy
Thinking it over, I believe there is no way Gruden is fired after this season. After firing Norv Turner, Snyder actually has been pretty patient with head coaches. And he prefers to scout and have some assurance that he can hire a good one before firing the previous one. If Snyder fires Gruden after one season, my best guess is they will have another Zorn like hiring process where every coach who thinks they have alternatives will turn the Redskins down. It will be embarrassing.
Here is another unpopular opinion. I see Jim Haslett staying as the DC next year. If they keep Gruden, no reputable DC will take the Redskins job, knowing that Gruden most likely only has one year left and he has struggled mightily already. I realize at some point, if you throw enough money out there, someone will take it. But becoming the Redskin DC under Gruden next year will not be good career move for anyone.
Here is another unpopular opinion. I see Jim Haslett staying as the DC next year. If they keep Gruden, no reputable DC will take the Redskins job, knowing that Gruden most likely only has one year left and he has struggled mightily already. I realize at some point, if you throw enough money out there, someone will take it. But becoming the Redskin DC under Gruden next year will not be good career move for anyone.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
It seems to me a good DC would come here. Nowhere to go but up. A chance to assume the HC position if the D does well but the offense doesnt. So say 2 years they could be a HC. I could see Ryan here after the JETS can him.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
I'm not sure I buy that logic/line of thinking. I think a just-as-likely scenario is that if Gruden essentially gives Snyder the finger he then gets the reputation of being a head coach that is willing to defy ownership. I don't think that plays well when he starts to go around to other owners asking for a head coaching job. It seems to me that a "plays nice with ownership" resume is a better sell than a "I'm willing to screw over ownership when I don't like what you do" resume.
Bruce Allen is Jay Gruden's boss. Dan Snyder is Bruce Allen's boss. Everyone knows you can only push your boss so far before you are fired. And if you go too far, you will be fired with cause.
Gruden's first priority is to make the relationship with Allen and Snyder work out.
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
At this point one would have to wonder if the FA signings are done because they know we can't draft worth a lick. Then again, we can't evaluate talent for FA's either, so there goes that theory. We SUCK and it appears that it is profitable to suck for decades as "skins always one of highest revenue/merchandise teams in NFL. Wow, can you imagine if we actually had won majority over this past decade??? Scary to think of, all things considering...
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