***Official*** Washington Redskins 2014 Thread (In-Season) (1 Viewer)

[fatness]

As for the offense, it looked pretty horrible in the 1st half. Think at one point McCoy had 4 yards passing and our net passing yards was -3. Another 5 sacks. Weird thing that I didn't know until after the game, McCoy had 5 fumbles yesterday, thankfully he only lost 1 of them, but wow that could have been much worse. He did turn it around in the 2nd half, but most of his numbers came when the game was already decided in the 2nd half. Some of the play calling was bad too. That 4th & 1 play call was horrible. I didn't mind going for it there because it's not like we had anything to lose, but that was a terrible play call.

Gruden got cute on the playcall, as pass-happy coaches often do. http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/13450/redskins-gamble-lose-on-fourth-downs

Washington Redskins coach Jay Gruden had something else called, then spotted a favorable matchup right before Indianapolis called a timeout. So he switched the play call and it led to more trouble for Washington.

On the fourth-and-1 call in the third quarter, Gruden said he originally wanted to run the ball with Alfred Morris. The Redskins used play-action instead, Colt McCoy was sacked, fumbled and the Colts returned it for a touchdown and a 35-17 lead en route to a 49-27 victory.

“I saw they had a guy play bump and run on DeSean [Jackson] with a safety, not much help” Gruden said. “So I decided on a play-action pass and launch it to DeSean and try to get it. I got a little greedy. That’s all I can say and we blew the protection.”

 

[fatness]

What's going to happen the rest of the season is 3 losses and beating the Giants so we fall behind them in the draft.

That's how we roll.

 

[fatness]

“We had what we wanted,” McCoy said. “Those are the plays you just scratch your head because we practice this and we know this, we just don’t execute it.”

How many times have you heard something similar from Gruden this year?

 

[fatness]

In the four seasons prior to Allen’s tenure, Washington compiled a 27-37 record with a .422 winning percentage. In the four seasons since Allen declared the status quo to be unacceptable, the Redskins have compiled a record of 21-39 with a .350 winning percentage.

http://dcprosportsreport.com/redskins-bruce-allen-should-be-on-an-extremely-hot-seat/

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

so desean has a shin bruise? and he took a cart ride?

I heard xrays are negative, any more local news?

 

[Sidewinder16]

“We had what we wanted,” McCoy said. “Those are the plays you just scratch your head because we practice this and we know this, we just don’t execute it.”

How many times have you heard something similar from Gruden this year?

What short memories we seem to have. The "players need to execute" drum has been consistently beaten for at least as far back as Zorn. I don't personally remember whether Gibbs played that card or not.

This mantra isn't new, and it's hardly Gruden-specific. I know I've heard other players and coaches, at both the college and pro levels, talk about this.

 

[MikeApf]

I haven't criticized Gruden to date, because this is his first year and I want to give him the benefit of the doubt.

But gosh was that 4th and 1 call putrid.

 

[Sebowski]

“We had what we wanted,” McCoy said. “Those are the plays you just scratch your head because we practice this and we know this, we just don’t execute it.”

How many times have you heard something similar from Gruden this year?

If RG3 said that it would turn into "RG3 blaming teammates for not executing"

 

[Sebowski]

I haven't criticized Gruden to date, because this is his first year and I want to give him the benefit of the doubt.

But gosh was that 4th and 1 call putrid.

I joked around at the bar that we should play action and go deep. Total video game call.

 

[fatness]

“We had what we wanted,” McCoy said. “Those are the plays you just scratch your head because we practice this and we know this, we just don’t execute it.”

How many times have you heard something similar from Gruden this year?

If RG3 said that it would turn into "RG3 blaming teammates for not executing"

Or if he said something like this.

McCoy: "I think all of us have a lot to clean up...there's a lot of room for improvement for us."

 

[fatness]

Injury report.

Brandon Meriweather’s availability for Sunday’s game against St. Louis (5-7) is in question after the starting strong safety sprained his big toe in the first half of Washington’s 49-27 loss at Indianapolis.

Coach Jay Gruden said during his press conference Monday, following the team’s fourth consecutive defeat, that Meriweather was “probably questionable for a while.”

“We don’t know the status yet,” Gruden said, “but it’s not looking good.”

Gruden was similarly sketchy about the timetable for the return of wide receiver DeSean Jackson, whose right leg was hit twice against the Colts —the second leaving him with a bruised fibula, which runs parallel to the shinbone. Jackson, whose leg was rolled on earlier by strong safety Mike Adams, had to be helped off the field in the third quarter.

“Looks like he’ll be okay with time,” Gruden said of Jackson, who turned 28 on Monday. “We don’t know how long that’ll be.”

Washington’s other significant injury Sunday was to ninth-year defensive lineman Kedric Golston, whom Gruden expects to be out against St. Louis after hurting his back during pre-game warm-ups. Golston is suffering from plantar fasciitis, in addition. Gruden said that Golston would follow up with a spine specialist.

Backup linebacker Will Compton is also being checked out by a spine specialist but Gruden said he didn’t think the condition was serious.

Cornerback Chase Minnifield is undergoing the NFL’s concussion protocol.

 

[fatness]

5 teams have given up more points than the Redskins. The Jets might pass them tonight and make it 6.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&statisticCategory=SCORING&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=2014&seasonType=REG

 

[PinkydaPimp]

I think where the team took the biggest hit was the salary cap penalty. Being that we had just traded away all those draft picks, that penalty really hurt. I assume when they made the trade they assumed they would be able to address certain gaps in free agency to compensate for the loss of picks. Not being able to do that significantly hurt the long term plan, and sadly may end with RG3's departure as a result. Who is the blame for that? Dan and Bruce(though i still think it was unfair).

 

[fatness]

22 teams have scored more points than the Skins.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&statisticCategory=SCORING&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2014&seasonType=REG

 

[fatness]

Chris Russell @Russellmania980 · 4h 4 hours ago

#Redskins HC Jay Gruden: "There's too many blown assignments" and says they are doing a "fine job" Monday-Saturday. Not translating Sunday.

Same old same old "It's not my fault. It's the players' fault."

 

[dehaven123]

I think where the team took the biggest hit was the salary cap penalty. Being that we had just traded away all those draft picks, that penalty really hurt. I assume when they made the trade they assumed they would be able to address certain gaps in free agency to compensate for the loss of picks. Not being able to do that significantly hurt the long term plan, and sadly may end with RG3's departure as a result. Who is the blame for that? Dan and Bruce(though i still think it was unfair).

This plays into my take on the state of affairs. In a way, we were dealt a bit of a college program death penalty, if u will allow. The cap penalty's impact goes beyond the 2yrs it was in place.

 

[Sebowski]

“We had what we wanted,” McCoy said. “Those are the plays you just scratch your head because we practice this and we know this, we just don’t execute it.”

How many times have you heard something similar from Gruden this year?

If RG3 said that it would turn into "RG3 blaming teammates for not executing"

Or if he said something like this.

McCoy: "I think all of us have a lot to clean up...there's a lot of room for improvement for us."

Colt needs to worry about cleaning up his own game. He has no right to talk about other players like that. That's for Gruden to worry about.

 

[Marvelous]

I think where the team took the biggest hit was the salary cap penalty. Being that we had just traded away all those draft picks, that penalty really hurt. I assume when they made the trade they assumed they would be able to address certain gaps in free agency to compensate for the loss of picks. Not being able to do that significantly hurt the long term plan, and sadly may end with RG3's departure as a result. Who is the blame for that? Dan and Bruce(though i still think it was unfair).

This plays into my take on the state of affairs. In a way, we were dealt a bit of a college program death penalty, if u will allow. The cap penalty's impact goes beyond the 2yrs it was in place.

This may not be popular view. The salary cap penalty was a direct result of moving cap hits into the uncapped year. The Redskins used some tricky contract mechinisms to move $36M of salary cap hits into the uncapped year with renegotiations of Albert Hayesworth and DeAngelo Hall's contracts. The important point: If there was no uncapped year, the Redskins would have had to absorb these cap hits at some point in time. It is these ridiculous contracts that got the Redskins in cap trouble in the past. And the Haynesworth contract was a particular albatross to the Redskins.

That said, I agree that the Redskins did nothing wrong with the renegotiations and got penalized for it anyhow. But the Redskins were in fact still made to pay for the Haynesworth and Hall contracts with cap hits that they should have been expected to have.

The Redskins viewed the uncapped year as a get out of jail free card. And the rest of the NFL did not let them do it.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

For the first time since I can remember as a lil kid, I find myself not caring about if I watch the Redskins game or even if they win. Never root for loss, but the reality is that I find myself not caring. Tired of the investment into this team, this must be what it feels like to be a battered spouse. You keep coming back because you think you love them, only to get your ### beat again. They say sorry (hire new coach, spend $$$ on FA's) and then rinse and repeat.

As a cowboys fan, I can relate to this. Fortunately things seem to be slowly changing as Jerry's son Stephen is making more of the decisions. Does Snyder have any kids?

Two girls...yeah, things could get better real quick, at least they would know more and not fraternize with the players as much.

 

[Zdravko]

Fast forward a few months.

"We are hiring coach Harbaugh to make the most of the talents of our squad. As his experience in San Francisco working with Colin Kaepernick demonstrates, Coach Harbaugh is the ideal leader to bring us back to the mantra that led to our playoff appearance two years ago. Leaning heavily on a [SIZE=13.63636302948px]dominant run game behind Frank Gore....sorry, meant Alfred Morris....and on the unique skill set of our franchise QB [/SIZE]Robert Griffin III, coach Harbaugh will be given all of about six games to start dominating the NFL. Should he fail to do so, our senior leadership is on stand-by, ready to take over."

 

[MattFancy]

Anybody catch this gem from Gruden's presser yesterday?

@Russellmania980: Gruden: “As coaches, our work is done after the Saturday night meetings.”

What does that mean? They don't make in game adjustments? Halftime adjustments? They just stop coaching the players on Sundays?

Gruden is in way over his head here. I've been saying it for weeks. This just proves it. He's so quick to blame the players for not executing or blowing assignments, but he nevers says anything about the coaches. Dude is terrible.

 

[Hang 10]

Anybody catch this gem from Gruden's presser yesterday?

@Russellmania980: Gruden: “As coaches, our work is done after the Saturday night meetings.”

What does that mean? They don't make in game adjustments? Halftime adjustments? They just stop coaching the players on Sundays?

Gruden is in way over his head here. I've been saying it for weeks. This just proves it. He's so quick to blame the players for not executing or blowing assignments, but he nevers says anything about the coaches. Dude is terrible.

He's an idiot. He doesn't have the resume to back up his brash attitude.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

'Talent' to me equals "skills + smarts + execution" (not potential like many people seem to define it). You need talent across the board. The Redskins are behind. And anyone that's coached any sport on any level knows that talent wins games. If Bill Bellichek showed up tomorrow this team would be marginally better, but it would not be a playoff team.

I can come up with 20 players + maybe another 8 that I would even re-sign to this roster. With 28/45 players that even belong on an NFL team, how the hell is a coach/team supposed to win??? IT IS HORRID PERSONNEL MANAGAMENT. We have so many players on the active roster that don't belong...Biggers, Ducre, Kearse, Golston, Baueharnais, Brown, Davis, Clark, T Robinson, Thomas, Hankerson, Moss, A Robinson.

I posted way back in preseason that to win this team needed 3 things to overcome the personnel gap...

1) The OL to play above its ability - mediocre at best

2) A high level of play at QB - flashes of good play, but not consistent

3) The CB/S to play above their ability - horrid

#1 and 3 are the same issues that have needed fixing for 3+ years. Who to blame...the personnel department. Allen and the scouts have failed to not only fix the problem, but I would argue they haven't even TRIED to fi x these problems. It's almost like they think OL, CB, and S don't matter at all in the NFL..

I think Gruden got in here and now realizes how many players suck. He's caught between lashing out about it in press conferences and trying to keep his head up. So he is saying some dumb things, but many coaches do. Him saying dumb things is not losing games for the team. They lose because they don't have talent.

Gruden and Allen will be back. 100% lock. Allen will probably go to his grave as the Team President. The question is does Snyder force a real personnel guy under Allen that has final personnel decision authority. He should, but will he? I suspect not for a couple of years. Allen still has the built in excuse that they need to undo Shanny's decisions and get in players that fit these systems. Haslett is done. Raheem Morris is done. I think RG3, Cousins, and McCoy come back next year in an open QB competition (unless RG3 gets traded).

 

[Marvelous]

I heard Chris Russell on the radio last night around 7 to 7:30 pm. He went completely off the deep end.

He basically said that the coaches have absolutely nothing to do with the players executing their assignments. The coaches coach and the players play. And yet, the coaches get all the blame when their teams don't perform well.

So their is no fault for Jim Haslett or Jay Gruden for the teams poor performance. It is all on the players. No mention that the coaches do help shape the roster. No mention that the front office forms the roster. No mention that the Redskins are continually under executing compared to their competition for the past 15 years.

He mentioned **** Lebeau, who is now struggling with Pittsburg's defense. Did he become stupid over the last three years? This part of the rant sounded a lot like Griffin put himself in the same sentence as Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers. Jim Haslett hasn't accomplished anything near what Lebeau has.

His next segment was on who the savior of the Redskins will be. Thankfully, I got home and did not hear that segment.

 

[Marvelous]

'Talent' to me equals "skills + smarts + execution" (not potential like many people seem to define it). You need talent across the board. The Redskins are behind. And anyone that's coached any sport on any level knows that talent wins games. If Bill Bellichek showed up tomorrow this team would be marginally better, but it would not be a playoff team.

I can come up with 20 players + maybe another 8 that I would even re-sign to this roster. With 28/45 players that even belong on an NFL team, how the hell is a coach/team supposed to win??? IT IS HORRID PERSONNEL MANAGAMENT. We have so many players on the active roster that don't belong...Biggers, Ducre, Kearse, Golston, Baueharnais, Brown, Davis, Clark, T Robinson, Thomas, Hankerson, Moss, A Robinson.

I posted way back in preseason that to win this team needed 3 things to overcome the personnel gap...

1) The OL to play above its ability - mediocre at best

2) A high level of play at QB - flashes of good play, but not consistent

3) The CB/S to play above their ability - horrid

#1 and 3 are the same issues that have needed fixing for 3+ years. Who to blame...the personnel department. Allen and the scouts have failed to not only fix the problem, but I would argue they haven't even TRIED to fi x these problems. It's almost like they think OL, CB, and S don't matter at all in the NFL..

I think Gruden got in here and now realizes how many players suck. He's caught between lashing out about it in press conferences and trying to keep his head up. So he is saying some dumb things, but many coaches do. Him saying dumb things is not losing games for the team. They lose because they don't have talent.

I still contend that the difference between winning and losing in the NFL is very small.

Last year, the Redskins OL was Williams, Litchensteiger, Montgomery, Chester, Polumbus. They had Alfred Morris and Darryl Young at RB. They were 5th in rushing yards in the NFL. Pretty good. Now the pass blocking was not good, but at least they could run block. And that was for a year that the team was falling apart.

This year, the OL is Williams, Lauvao, Litchensteiger, Chester, Compton/Polumbus. They still have Morris and Young at RB. With almost the same cast, the Redskins are 17th in rushing yards per game. The strength of the team has become mediocre at best.

What is the difference. Mike/Kyle Shanahan were committed to running the ball. I am sure that showed up in practice, in the game plan, and in the play calling. And I am sure they were significantly better at executing the running plays. The Shanahans got a lot of good run blocking out of a very mediocre offensive line, which clearly played to their strength. Jay Gruden wants to throw the ball repeatedly and just sprinkle in the run. That is playing to the OL's weakness. And it makes the OL look really bad.

There is a very small difference between winning and losing in the NFL. And coaching makes a huge difference.

 

[MattFancy]

'Talent' to me equals "skills + smarts + execution" (not potential like many people seem to define it). You need talent across the board. The Redskins are behind. And anyone that's coached any sport on any level knows that talent wins games. If Bill Bellichek showed up tomorrow this team would be marginally better, but it would not be a playoff team.

I can come up with 20 players + maybe another 8 that I would even re-sign to this roster. With 28/45 players that even belong on an NFL team, how the hell is a coach/team supposed to win??? IT IS HORRID PERSONNEL MANAGAMENT. We have so many players on the active roster that don't belong...Biggers, Ducre, Kearse, Golston, Baueharnais, Brown, Davis, Clark, T Robinson, Thomas, Hankerson, Moss, A Robinson.

I posted way back in preseason that to win this team needed 3 things to overcome the personnel gap...

1) The OL to play above its ability - mediocre at best

2) A high level of play at QB - flashes of good play, but not consistent

3) The CB/S to play above their ability - horrid

#1 and 3 are the same issues that have needed fixing for 3+ years. Who to blame...the personnel department. Allen and the scouts have failed to not only fix the problem, but I would argue they haven't even TRIED to fi x these problems. It's almost like they think OL, CB, and S don't matter at all in the NFL..

I think Gruden got in here and now realizes how many players suck. He's caught between lashing out about it in press conferences and trying to keep his head up. So he is saying some dumb things, but many coaches do. Him saying dumb things is not losing games for the team. They lose because they don't have talent.

Gruden and Allen will be back. 100% lock. Allen will probably go to his grave as the Team President. The question is does Snyder force a real personnel guy under Allen that has final personnel decision authority. He should, but will he? I suspect not for a couple of years. Allen still has the built in excuse that they need to undo Shanny's decisions and get in players that fit these systems. Haslett is done. Raheem Morris is done. I think RG3, Cousins, and McCoy come back next year in an open QB competition (unless RG3 gets traded).

The problem is, once Allen/Gruden get all the players that fit his scheme in here, he'll be gone. That's how it always has been here. That's why we are in the mess we're in now. We don't have a grand scheme that all the players fall into. On either side of the ball. We have that problem because no coach has lasted more than 4 years here under Snyder and we are more worried about bringing in the next big FA and trying to draft and develop talent to fit our scheme.

 

[Marvelous]

Found an interesting website: http://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/false-start?year=2014

The Redskins are tied for 4th in false start penalties this year. If you look around, they are in a 3 way tie for 2nd most illegal formation penalties.

 

[MattFancy]

Found an interesting website: http://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/false-start?year=2014

The Redskins are tied for 4th in false start penalties this year. If you look around, they are in a 3 way tie for 2nd most illegal formation penalties.

That's a lack of discipline to me. Which stems from the top down.

 

[Ted Mullins]

Anybody catch this gem from Gruden's presser yesterday?

@Russellmania980: Gruden: “As coaches, our work is done after the Saturday night meetings.”

What does that mean? They don't make in game adjustments? Halftime adjustments? They just stop coaching the players on Sundays?

Gruden is in way over his head here. I've been saying it for weeks. This just proves it. He's so quick to blame the players for not executing or blowing assignments, but he nevers says anything about the coaches. Dude is terrible.

Lol, what the hell is this guy's deal? Is this potentially out of context? I don't think Russell would do that intentionally as he seems to be defending the coaches more than the other beat writers.

 

[Hang 10]

Found an interesting website: http://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/false-start?year=2014

The Redskins are tied for 4th in false start penalties this year. If you look around, they are in a 3 way tie for 2nd most illegal formation penalties.

That's a lack of discipline to me. Which stems from the top down.

Yeah, but you can't put that on the coaches since the false starts happen after the Saturday meetings.

 

[MattFancy]

Anybody catch this gem from Gruden's presser yesterday?

@Russellmania980: Gruden: “As coaches, our work is done after the Saturday night meetings.”

What does that mean? They don't make in game adjustments? Halftime adjustments? They just stop coaching the players on Sundays?

Gruden is in way over his head here. I've been saying it for weeks. This just proves it. He's so quick to blame the players for not executing or blowing assignments, but he nevers says anything about the coaches. Dude is terrible.

Lol, what the hell is this guy's deal? Is this potentially out of context? I don't think Russell would do that intentionally as he seems to be defending the coaches more than the other beat writers.

Nope, that's what he said.

Found this which has a little more to it:

ESPN 980 ‏@ESPNRadio980
Gruden: "As coaches..our work is done usually after the Saturday night meetings..Come Sunday afternoon, it's time they gotta go out & play."

Guess he was trying to say the coaches prepare the team Mon-Sat and that the players need to go out and execute the game plan. But either way, he seems to be trying not to put any blame on the coaching staff and saying the players just need to play better.

Gruden loves to talk down to the players like he's some big-time winning coach. He's done nothing in this league. I was skeptical of the hire to begin with, but he's done nothing this season to convince me he's the guy that should be leading this team.

 

[dhockster]

I think a lot of coaches who get fired after one year are victims of circumstance; they really deserved to get more of a chance.

I do not see that being the case with Gruden if he gets fired after this season.

 

[Marvelous]

Part of me thinks that Gruden is trying to get fired after one season.

 

[MattFancy]

I think a lot of coaches who get fired after one year are victims of circumstance; they really deserved to get more of a chance.

I do not see that being the case with Gruden if he gets fired after this season.

Agreed. If he gets fired after this season, I honestly won't feel bad for him. He hasn't shown me one thing that has made me think he can be a good coach going forward.

In his short time here he's basically derailed RG3 and Cousins from being promising young QBs. Made Garcon disappear from the offense. Completely destroyed RG3 in a press conference, doesn't take blame for team's mistakes, keeps letting Haslett coach and the team has shown zero improvement from where they were last season.

I'd be happy with some sort of improvement under Gruden. But Cousins and Griffin look like they've gotten worse and that to me is the most damning thing again against him. He was supposed to come in here and help Griffin improve, well that didn't happen. Kirk was supposedly "his guy", now Kirk isn't even active on gamedays. When you were brought here to bring out the best of the QBs and you haven't, you've failed.

 

[MattFancy]

Part of me thinks that Gruden is trying to get fired after one season.

I honestly wouldn't doubt it. Look at some of the moves he's made, how he handles press conferences, etc. He really doesn't act like he wants to be here long.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

'Talent' to me equals "skills + smarts + execution" (not potential like many people seem to define it). You need talent across the board. The Redskins are behind. And anyone that's coached any sport on any level knows that talent wins games. If Bill Bellichek showed up tomorrow this team would be marginally better, but it would not be a playoff team.

I can come up with 20 players + maybe another 8 that I would even re-sign to this roster. With 28/45 players that even belong on an NFL team, how the hell is a coach/team supposed to win??? IT IS HORRID PERSONNEL MANAGAMENT. We have so many players on the active roster that don't belong...Biggers, Ducre, Kearse, Golston, Baueharnais, Brown, Davis, Clark, T Robinson, Thomas, Hankerson, Moss, A Robinson.

I posted way back in preseason that to win this team needed 3 things to overcome the personnel gap...

1) The OL to play above its ability - mediocre at best

2) A high level of play at QB - flashes of good play, but not consistent

3) The CB/S to play above their ability - horrid

#1 and 3 are the same issues that have needed fixing for 3+ years. Who to blame...the personnel department. Allen and the scouts have failed to not only fix the problem, but I would argue they haven't even TRIED to fi x these problems. It's almost like they think OL, CB, and S don't matter at all in the NFL..

I think Gruden got in here and now realizes how many players suck. He's caught between lashing out about it in press conferences and trying to keep his head up. So he is saying some dumb things, but many coaches do. Him saying dumb things is not losing games for the team. They lose because they don't have talent.

Gruden and Allen will be back. 100% lock. Allen will probably go to his grave as the Team President. The question is does Snyder force a real personnel guy under Allen that has final personnel decision authority. He should, but will he? I suspect not for a couple of years. Allen still has the built in excuse that they need to undo Shanny's decisions and get in players that fit these systems. Haslett is done. Raheem Morris is done. I think RG3, Cousins, and McCoy come back next year in an open QB competition (unless RG3 gets traded).

The problem is, once Allen/Gruden get all the players that fit his scheme in here, he'll be gone. That's how it always has been here. That's why we are in the mess we're in now. We don't have a grand scheme that all the players fall into. On either side of the ball. We have that problem because no coach has lasted more than 4 years here under Snyder and we are more worried about bringing in the next big FA and trying to draft and develop talent to fit our scheme.

This I agree with 100%.

Part of me thinks that Gruden is trying to get fired after one season.

I honestly wouldn't doubt it. Look at some of the moves he's made, how he handles press conferences, etc. He really doesn't act like he wants to be here long.

I think it's more "I got here, didn't like what I found, so I'm doing it my way, saying what I want, and if the bosses don't like it then fire me."

Gruden is operating from a pretty strong position. Snyder will look awful if yet another head coach leaves, especially one that has worked with Allen in the past. And I'd assume his contract is guaranteed, or at least a large part of it. He doesn't want many of the players on this team so what does he care if he alienates some of them.

Personally I like Gruden. He's not a puppet. He reminds me a lot of Marty S from a personality standpoint, and I think this team badly needs a dictator as the head coach. I do think he abandons the run too early. I think he needs to make better play calls in short yardage and goal line situations. Both of those he can improve on over time. I think he manages the clock OK, has a good passing scheme, and looks in control on the sidelines. There are always minor mistakes, but overall he does decent for a first year HC. He just needs a couple of years to fine tune it, show he's in charge, drop the DC, and get better talent (assuming Allen doesn't screw it up).

 

[MattFancy]

You're right about Gruden being in a position of power right now. If Snyder fires him, Gruden gets $16M over the next 4 seasons. For some unknown reason, the Skins signed a 1st year HC to a full guaranteed 5 year deal. No wonder why Gruden came here. He would be crazy to turn down that money.

Here's an article from when he was hired:

According to Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports, the Redskins went above and beyond what teams have traditionally done in regards to the length of a contract for a first-time head coach. Usually a coordinator or other coach moving up into a head job gets a three- or four-year contract, sometimes with a team option for an additional season.

The Redskins gave Gruden, who was the Bengals’ offensive coordinator a full five-year deal, fully guaranteed for the duration. The annual compensation, which is in excess of $4 million per season, is on the high side for a first-time head coach but not out of line. But the total guaranteed compensation of over $20 million over the course of the deal is almost certainly among the highest for any coach in Gruden’s situation.

If Gruden works out and the Redskins start to win, the deal will be a bargain. If not, it could be another expensive mistake for the organization.

Well it looks like in year 1, it could be a mistake. Now, could Gruden get this thing turned around? Maybe. But he needs to get the players to buy what he's selling. And constantly throwing them under the bus is probably not the best way to go about it. It worked for Parcells because he was a proven winner. Gruden hasn't proven anything yet and has a long way to go.

 

[Sebowski]

Anybody catch this gem from Gruden's presser yesterday?

@Russellmania980: Gruden: “As coaches, our work is done after the Saturday night meetings.”

 

[Sebowski]

Personally I like Gruden. He's not a puppet. He reminds me a lot of Marty S from a personality standpoint, and I think this team badly needs a dictator as the head coach. I do think he abandons the run too early. I think he needs to make better play calls in short yardage and goal line situations. Both of those he can improve on over time. I think he manages the clock OK, has a good passing scheme, and looks in control on the sidelines. There are always minor mistakes, but overall he does decent for a first year HC. He just needs a couple of years to fine tune it, show he's in charge, drop the DC, and get better talent (assuming Allen doesn't screw it up).

This is Gruden's rep, but I don't see it. A lot of sacks this season are because no one is open. These are good WRs and TEs. If no one is open. That is scheme.

 

[HittinHard]

I think Gruden will slowly right the ship but he needs a couple of A grade drafts and quality FA additions.

We need the right scout and talent evaluators on board.

OL and D are the disaster aras.

Raheem and Haznot board the life boat and Rex or Wade get tough on D.

 

[thayman]

I heard Chris Russell on the radio last night around 7 to 7:30 pm. He went completely off the deep end.

He basically said that the coaches have absolutely nothing to do with the players executing their assignments. The coaches coach and the players play. And yet, the coaches get all the blame when their teams don't perform well.

So their is no fault for Jim Haslett or Jay Gruden for the teams poor performance. It is all on the players. No mention that the coaches do help shape the roster. No mention that the front office forms the roster. No mention that the Redskins are continually under executing compared to their competition for the past 15 years.

He mentioned **** Lebeau, who is now struggling with Pittsburg's defense. Did he become stupid over the last three years? This part of the rant sounded a lot like Griffin put himself in the same sentence as Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers. Jim Haslett hasn't accomplished anything near what Lebeau has.

His next segment was on who the savior of the Redskins will be. Thankfully, I got home and did not hear that segment.

Russell also says the NFL is 90% players 10% coaching. He claimed Bill Bellicheck is responsible for 10% of the Patriots success.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Personally I like Gruden. He's not a puppet. He reminds me a lot of Marty S from a personality standpoint, and I think this team badly needs a dictator as the head coach. I do think he abandons the run too early. I think he needs to make better play calls in short yardage and goal line situations. Both of those he can improve on over time. I think he manages the clock OK, has a good passing scheme, and looks in control on the sidelines. There are always minor mistakes, but overall he does decent for a first year HC. He just needs a couple of years to fine tune it, show he's in charge, drop the DC, and get better talent (assuming Allen doesn't screw it up).

This is Gruden's rep, but I don't see it. A lot of sacks this season are because no one is open. These are good WRs and TEs. If no one is open. That is scheme.

They are ranked 10th in passing yards. They are ranked 2nd in yards per pass. How's that bad, especially in year 1 of a system with questionable qbs.

 

[Sebowski]

Personally I like Gruden. He's not a puppet. He reminds me a lot of Marty S from a personality standpoint, and I think this team badly needs a dictator as the head coach. I do think he abandons the run too early. I think he needs to make better play calls in short yardage and goal line situations. Both of those he can improve on over time. I think he manages the clock OK, has a good passing scheme, and looks in control on the sidelines. There are always minor mistakes, but overall he does decent for a first year HC. He just needs a couple of years to fine tune it, show he's in charge, drop the DC, and get better talent (assuming Allen doesn't screw it up).

This is Gruden's rep, but I don't see it. A lot of sacks this season are because no one is open. These are good WRs and TEs. If no one is open. That is scheme.

They are ranked 10th in passing yards. They are ranked 2nd in yards per pass. How's that bad, especially in year 1 of a system with questionable qbs.

You look at stats. I'll watch the games.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Personally I like Gruden. He's not a puppet. He reminds me a lot of Marty S from a personality standpoint, and I think this team badly needs a dictator as the head coach. I do think he abandons the run too early. I think he needs to make better play calls in short yardage and goal line situations. Both of those he can improve on over time. I think he manages the clock OK, has a good passing scheme, and looks in control on the sidelines. There are always minor mistakes, but overall he does decent for a first year HC. He just needs a couple of years to fine tune it, show he's in charge, drop the DC, and get better talent (assuming Allen doesn't screw it up).

This is Gruden's rep, but I don't see it. A lot of sacks this season are because no one is open. These are good WRs and TEs. If no one is open. That is scheme.

They are ranked 10th in passing yards. They are ranked 2nd in yards per pass. How's that bad, especially in year 1 of a system with questionable qbs.

You look at stats. I'll watch the games.

I see guys open everywhere. Especially when rg3 was in. Open is 3 feet of separation in the nfl. Unless of course you are playing our defense, where open is like nobody within 20 yards of the WR.

 

[dhockster]

I think Gruden will slowly right the ship but he needs a couple of A grade drafts and quality FA additions.

We need the right scout and talent evaluators on board.

OL and D are the disaster aras.

Raheem and Haznot board the life boat and Rex or Wade get tough on D.

Are you counting on Bruce Allen to do this?

 

[TobiasFunke]

Fun with numbers!

After his outstanding 2012 campaign that ended with a debilitating injury RGIII was given a grand total of 18 starts before being benched due to poor results and film reviews that showed obvious breakdowns.

This weekend Jim Haslett will take the sidelines for the Redskins as the defensive coordinator for the 77th time despite poor results and film reviews that show obvious breakdowns. Also, in contrast to RGIII it has been 14 years since he had a quality season.

I'd love to see someone ask Gruden or Allen what Haslett did to earn a leash more than four times as long as Griffin's.

 

[HittinHard]

I think Gruden will slowly right the ship but he needs a couple of A grade drafts and quality FA additions.

We need the right scout and talent evaluators on board.

OL and D are the disaster aras.

Raheem and Haznot board the life boat and Rex or Wade get tough on D.

Are you counting on Bruce Allen to do this?

No i dont think Allen is a good evaluator.I would like to see a dedicated personnel guy brought in.

 

[HittinHard]

I think Gruden will slowly right the ship but he needs a couple of A grade drafts and quality FA additions.

We need the right scout and talent evaluators on board.

OL and D are the disaster aras.

Raheem and Haznot board the life boat and Rex or Wade get tough on D.

Are you counting on Bruce Allen to do this?

No i dont think Allen is a good evaluator.I would like to see a dedicated personnel guy brought in.

 

[Marvelous]

Personally I like Gruden. He's not a puppet. He reminds me a lot of Marty S from a personality standpoint, and I think this team badly needs a dictator as the head coach. I do think he abandons the run too early. I think he needs to make better play calls in short yardage and goal line situations. Both of those he can improve on over time. I think he manages the clock OK, has a good passing scheme, and looks in control on the sidelines. There are always minor mistakes, but overall he does decent for a first year HC. He just needs a couple of years to fine tune it, show he's in charge, drop the DC, and get better talent (assuming Allen doesn't screw it up).

This is Gruden's rep, but I don't see it. A lot of sacks this season are because no one is open. These are good WRs and TEs. If no one is open. That is scheme.

They are ranked 10th in passing yards. They are ranked 2nd in yards per pass. How's that bad, especially in year 1 of a system with questionable qbs.

How do the Redskins rank in points scored? I think they accumulate yards a lot better than scoring points.

The same is true on defense. How do they rank on points allowed? I think they give up points more readily than yards.

 

[fatness]

'Talent' to me equals "skills + smarts + execution" (not potential like many people seem to define it). You need talent across the board. The Redskins are behind. And anyone that's coached any sport on any level knows that talent wins games. If Bill Bellichek showed up tomorrow this team would be marginally better, but it would not be a playoff team.

I can come up with 20 players + maybe another 8 that I would even re-sign to this roster. With 28/45 players that even belong on an NFL team, how the hell is a coach/team supposed to win??? IT IS HORRID PERSONNEL MANAGAMENT. We have so many players on the active roster that don't belong...Biggers, Ducre, Kearse, Golston, Baueharnais, Brown, Davis, Clark, T Robinson, Thomas, Hankerson, Moss, A Robinson.

I posted way back in preseason that to win this team needed 3 things to overcome the personnel gap...

1) The OL to play above its ability - mediocre at best

2) A high level of play at QB - flashes of good play, but not consistent

3) The CB/S to play above their ability - horrid

#1 and 3 are the same issues that have needed fixing for 3+ years. Who to blame...the personnel department. Allen and the scouts have failed to not only fix the problem, but I would argue they haven't even TRIED to fi x these problems. It's almost like they think OL, CB, and S don't matter at all in the NFL..

I think Gruden got in here and now realizes how many players suck. He's caught between lashing out about it in press conferences and trying to keep his head up. So he is saying some dumb things, but many coaches do. Him saying dumb things is not losing games for the team. They lose because they don't have talent.

Gruden and Allen will be back. 100% lock. Allen will probably go to his grave as the Team President. The question is does Snyder force a real personnel guy under Allen that has final personnel decision authority.

I agree with much of what you said, but I don't pass off what Gruden says as stupid. He's actively shifting blame away from himself, week after week, and onto those who will not do anything publicly about it and who depend on him somewhat for their jobs. He's trying to separate himself from the team's ####ty performance, as though he's an established good coach and all the players are letting him down. He's not a good coach. He's not a good motivator. He's not a good teacher. His team is 3-9 and they play below a professional level many weeks. Frankly the only part of the head coaching job he's shown convincingly that he can handle is feeding the press stuff they like to hear.

As for hiring a personnel guy, I think that may happen. This roster is a disaster, there's no Griffin distraction to divert attention from it or blame it on, and the team is out there sucking out loud. They're terribly weak on the O-line and all over the defense. I think Snyder may finally hire a personnel guy. I mean, he got rid of his "sort of allowed to be a bit of a personnel guy" last year when Morocco Brown went to Cleveland. The Browns are now 7-5, and the Redskins are 3-9 with Allen handling personnel. The question to me is how much Allen will fight to retain some kind of authority over personnel just out of ego. Because there's no other reason for him to have that authority.