***Official*** Washington Redskins 2014 Thread (In-Season) (1 Viewer)

[TobiasFunke]

what, no 'haslett must go' posts today?

after 12wks, is a statistical top 10 overall defense sufficient?

They're 20th ranked in points per game allowed. http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2014&seasonType=REG&role=OPP&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-p=1&statisticCategory=SCORING&conference=ALL&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG

Scores aren't kept by yardage.

is there a metric that defines where a defense, or opposing offense, starts on avg. when they come onto the field for each defensive possession?

DVOA captures situational stuff. Redskins are 23rd.

 

[dehaven123]

what, no 'haslett must go' posts today?

after 12wks, is a statistical top 10 overall defense sufficient?

They're 20th ranked in points per game allowed. http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2014&seasonType=REG&role=OPP&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-p=1&statisticCategory=SCORING&conference=ALL&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG

Scores aren't kept by yardage.

is there a metric that defines where a defense, or opposing offense, starts on avg. when they come onto the field for each defensive possession?

DVOA captures situational stuff. Redskins are 23rd.

thanks

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Can a moderator go ahead and start the offseason thread? Thanks.

 

[Archer]

Only thing that will give me hope next year is if the Skins draft 2 offensive lineman in the first 3 rounds. If this team doesn't fix this crappy pathetic line, it won't matter WHO is playing QB back there. I think RG3 is broke, and Cousins must be color blind and loves throwing it to the other team, but in both of their defenses, they sure don't get the pocket that most NFL QB's get to throw in.

 

[fatness]

Adam Hayward is done for the year.
I didn't see him get hurt yesterday but I heard it was pretty stupid. What happened?

The guy called up from the practice squad to replace him is Steve Beauharnais. I think that rhymes with Volare

Trent Williams may or may not be ready for the Colts. How is their rush from the right side?

Biggers -- concussion -- timetable unknown

Tracy Porter -- injured shoulder --- might be a lengthy absence.

Chris Baker -- sternum injury

Ducre -- hip bruise

Jordan Reed -- hamstring, so probably out forever

 

[fatness]

Only thing that will give me hope next year is if the Skins draft 2 offensive lineman in the first 3 rounds. If this team doesn't fix this crappy pathetic line, it won't matter WHO is playing QB back there. I think RG3 is broke, and Cousins must be color blind and loves throwing it to the other team, but in both of their defenses, they sure don't get the pocket that most NFL QB's get to throw in.

The team has a big number of holes to fill, so of course they'll probably draft a WR, a QB, and a TE in the first 4 rounds. It's hell loving this team.

 

[Swing 51]

Ducre

This is a card game right?

 

[fatness]

Ducre

This is a card game right?

 

[Sebowski]

Adam Hayward is done for the year.

I didn't see him get hurt yesterday but I heard it was pretty stupid. What happened?

I wouldn't cal it stupid. He was on punt coverage and the ball took a huge backward bounce, so he jumped up to grab it. Got hurt landing. I'd say he was just trying to make a special teams play and it was a fluke injury, as ACLs tend to be.

 

[Sebowski]

Did anyone talk about how stupid Bruden was to not use timeouts before half time? No way the hers go for it on 4th down if there is enough time on the clock for us to do something with that field position. Just another instance of him being out coached yesterday.

 

[dgreen]

Did anyone talk about how stupid Bruden was to not use timeouts before half time? No way the hers go for it on 4th down if there is enough time on the clock for us to do something with that field position. Just another instance of him being out coached yesterday.

Agreed. He said he didn't take a timeout because he figured they would end up just kneeling anyway. In other words, he didn't seem to realize, as you said, that not calling a timeout gave SF a chance to do whatever they wanted in the final seconds.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Please Santa, all I want for Christmas is for this season to be over. Can we fast forward this thing????

 

[Marvelous]

Adam Hayward is done for the year.

I didn't see him get hurt yesterday but I heard it was pretty stupid. What happened?

I wouldn't cal it stupid. He was on punt coverage and the ball took a huge backward bounce, so he jumped up to grab it. Got hurt landing. I'd say he was just trying to make a special teams play and it was a fluke injury, as ACLs tend to be.

It did not look stupid to me. He was making a play, jumped to grab the ball, landed awkwardly, and had be helped off the field.

The announcer likened it to players who injure themselves during celebrations. The comparison was to the flukiness, not that Heyward was celebrating. I don't think it was a particularly good comparison.

 

[DCThunder]

Cooley film breakdown begins at 5:05 pm on 980. After last week, this should be a doozy...

 

[Sidewinder16]

And away we go.

 

[jbz]

Colt 45 does it every time

 

[Sebowski]

 

[PinkydaPimp]

This is just an awful decision. If colt is anything short of excellent, then this is a huge mistake and will only stunt the growth of the guy they invested so much into.

 

[Marvelous]

My opinion: if McCoy gets a few starts and regresses significantly, it will be a very bad statement on Gruden. That will be three QBs that play worse the more Gruden coaches them.

 

[Jerry Curl]

This is just an awful decision. If colt is anything short of excellent, then this is a huge mistake and will only stunt the growth of the guy they invested so much into.

Agree.

My opinion: if McCoy gets a few starts and regresses significantly, it will be a very bad statement on Gruden. That will be three QBs that play worse the more Gruden coaches them.

Gruden lasts one more year. Over/Under?

When you are a rookie coach at the beginning of a five year tenure, maybe you should help coach your starting franchise QB instead of alienate him and go to a career backup. I can see that really helping you in your career.

Season is wasted, why not let your QB who you say needs to play better get some more tutelage under you instead of showing why you are not cut out to be an NFL coach.

Makes no sense to shun your starting franchise QB in a lost season for a career backup with nothing to gain but friction. DJax was a locker room problem in Philly, I would put it past the disgruntled WR to be a big cog in the RG3 locker room mishaps.

 

[Zdravko]

This.

 

[GoBirds]

This is just an awful decision. If colt is anything short of excellent, then this is a huge mistake and will only stunt the growth of the guy they invested so much into.

Agree.

My opinion: if McCoy gets a few starts and regresses significantly, it will be a very bad statement on Gruden. That will be three QBs that play worse the more Gruden coaches them.

Gruden lasts one more year. Over/Under?

When you are a rookie coach at the beginning of a five year tenure, maybe you should help coach your starting franchise QB instead of alienate him and go to a career backup. I can see that really helping you in your career.

Season is wasted, why not let your QB who you say needs to play better get some more tutelage under you instead of showing why you are not cut out to be an NFL coach.

Makes no sense to shun your starting franchise QB in a lost season for a career backup with nothing to gain but friction. DJax was a locker room problem in Philly, I would put it past the disgruntled WR to be a big cog in the RG3 locker room mishaps.

Gruden is a jerk and a terrible head coach.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Great move to bench rg3. Should have been made after his horrid preseason.

Shanny benched rg3. Gruden benched rg3. The players obviously dislike rg3. So everyone in the Organiztion sees he sucks. We see he sucks every week. And yet there are fans upset he's being benched??? Maybe still clinging to 2012 when he had legs??? This guy is trash. And he's an idiot too. The next skins qb is not in this roster unless cousins pulls off some miracle comeback the rest of the season.

 

[MattFancy]

My opinion: if McCoy gets a few starts and regresses significantly, it will be a very bad statement on Gruden. That will be three QBs that play worse the more Gruden coaches them.

Exactly. Gurden is basically putting his reputation on Colt McCoy. He's ruined Cousins and RG3. Why not go for the trifecta?

 

[Swing 51]

My opinion: if McCoy gets a few starts and regresses significantly, it will be a very bad statement on Gruden. That will be three QBs that play worse the more Gruden coaches them.

He's ruined Cousins and RG3.

Jay kept throwing INTs to opposing teams - or Kirk? Tho I agrew with you on him ruining Subway Bob - or at least not being able to coach 'em up.

Cult of Colt!!

 

[MattFancy]

My opinion: if McCoy gets a few starts and regresses significantly, it will be a very bad statement on Gruden. That will be three QBs that play worse the more Gruden coaches them.

He's ruined Cousins and RG3.

Jay kept throwing INTs to opposing teams - or Kirk? Tho I agrew with you on him ruining Subway Bob - or at least not being able to coach 'em up.

Cult of Colt!!

But to me, has he been able to coach either of those guys up? He was brought here to further develop Griffin. Sure doesn't look like he has and all Griffin gets are 5 games in Gruden's system?

 

[Swing 51]

I agree Matt 5 games does not a season make

 

[MattFancy]

I agree Matt 5 games does not a season make

And that's my biggest issue. We all would have agreed coming in that RG3 needed a good season to prove all the doubters wrong. He was alright against the Texans in the 1st game, seemed to be playing well in the Jags game before he went down. Missed what 6 games, came back and played decent against Minnesota. Yes his INT and the 4th down play weren't good, but other that he looked good for not playing for awhile. Looked awful against the Bucs and not much better against the 49ers. But no one has looked good against the 49ers. Eli just threw 5 INTs against them the week prior. So in those 5 games we had 2 that were decent and 2 not so good and 1 incomplete. That's enough to say he's done here? 4 full games into Gruden's 1st season and he's pulled the plug. Either Gruden knows alot more than we think or he's way in over his head here.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Everyone is acting like there is something to build with RG3 now. I doubt mechanics, progressions, footwork, looking at the correct part of the field and all the other things on the list have not been instilled multiple time over with him. If the pupil is not learning or applying what is learned...in this case, he is so raw and fundamentally bad, he is hurting all the other "pupils" around him. As Cooley stated over a week ago, RG3 was so bad that he could not even evaluate the other positions on offense.

Maybe everyone has to step back and look at this at a different angle, as we are not privy to the whole thing. Yes, it can be that bad! There is nothing to build on, if the person is not learning or does not have the fundamentals in place to build upon. Suggested it before, he maybe hard to coach as Shanny and now Gruden are having issues with him and execution of basic NFL QB'ing. Its been said, he does not study the game off the field and if true probably because he thinks he doesn't need to as he has natural talent that always got through it.

As much as I want RG3 to progress, he needs to come prepared and if he is losing or forgetting it all (flustered) when stress/pressure is applied, then it might be too late. Think Ramsey, rattled and shaken because of hits/pressure. I doubt RG3 doesn't want to better, but he's being asked to do things he did not do before and clearly he does not seem to be accepting any teaching as look at how much Luck, Wilson, and even Kaepernick have progressed compared to RG3. Yes, RG3 got hurt that had to stunt some growth, but they are light years away from RG3 and they are best to gauge as they are all from same draft class.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I think we need to all look at this differently than a "normal" situation as I think the "normal" situation does not apply with RG3. He's gotten worse every year and that started before Gruden got here. The problem is RG3 himself!

 

[dgreen]

I've always been a big believer that coaches/staff base decisions on more than just what we see in games. I don't think this is a decision based on just 4 games. I'm sure minicamp, training camp, preseason, practices, team meetings, and film sessions are all part of this decision.

I'm starting to hate how often I, and others, constantly refer back to Gibbs, but I would totally trust this decision if he made it rather than Gruden. Obviously there's a track record there and a trust factor from fans. For whatever reason, I just don't trust this decision. Maybe I just still really want Griffin to be great here and this doesn't seem like the path to get there. I'm probably more disappointed than anything else.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

I've always been a big believer that coaches/staff base decisions on more than just what we see in games. I don't think this is a decision based on just 4 games. I'm sure minicamp, training camp, preseason, practices, team meetings, and film sessions are all part of this decision.

I'm starting to hate how often I, and others, constantly refer back to Gibbs, but I would totally trust this decision if he made it rather than Gruden. Obviously there's a track record there and a trust factor from fans. For whatever reason, I just don't trust this decision. Maybe I just still really want Griffin to be great here and this doesn't seem like the path to get there. I'm probably more disappointed than anything else.

Well said and I'll point out he's been benched twice now and that was two different coaches. What does that say? Sadly, I think the problem is Robert and he's not that super after all.

 

[Marvelous]

Everyone is acting like there is something to build with RG3 now. I doubt mechanics, progressions, footwork, looking at the correct part of the field and all the other things on the list have not been instilled multiple time over with him. If the pupil is not learning or applying what is learned...in this case, he is so raw and fundamentally bad, he is hurting all the other "pupils" around him. As Cooley stated over a week ago, RG3 was so bad that he could not even evaluate the other positions on offense.

Maybe everyone has to step back and look at this at a different angle, as we are not privy to the whole thing. Yes, it can be that bad! There is nothing to build on, if the person is not learning or does not have the fundamentals in place to build upon. Suggested it before, he maybe hard to coach as Shanny and now Gruden are having issues with him and execution of basic NFL QB'ing. Its been said, he does not study the game off the field and if true probably because he thinks he doesn't need to as he has natural talent that always got through it.

As much as I want RG3 to progress, he needs to come prepared and if he is losing or forgetting it all (flustered) when stress/pressure is applied, then it might be too late. Think Ramsey, rattled and shaken because of hits/pressure. I doubt RG3 doesn't want to better, but he's being asked to do things he did not do before and clearly he does not seem to be accepting any teaching as look at how much Luck, Wilson, and even Kaepernick have progressed compared to RG3. Yes, RG3 got hurt that had to stunt some growth, but they are light years away from RG3 and they are best to gauge as they are all from same draft class.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I think we need to all look at this differently than a "normal" situation as I think the "normal" situation does not apply with RG3. He's gotten worse every year and that started before Gruden got here. The problem is RG3 himself!

A lot of my posts have focused on how poorly Gruden is doing since I thought the posts in the thread did not reflect that. But Griffin's ego has been a huge problem in all of this. After winning the division in 2012, Griffin balked at running the read option and basically thought he knew better than the Shanahans on the offense they should run. And Griffin's ego led to the "All in for Week 1" and "Operation Patience" campaigns to rally the public to his side. Absolutely unheard of for a QB to do all that.

In 2012, it was a perfect storm for success. Griffin's willingness and Kyle Shanahan's imaginative offense were the perfect fit.

In 2013, it was a perfect storm for disaster. Griffin insisting he play week 1 and not willing to run the offense Kyle wanted.

In 2014, it is another perfect storm for disaster. Griffin still refusing to see his short comings and Jay Gruden unable to teach Griffin and work with him. Instead, he publicly attacks him in the media. Completely unheard of for a coach to do.

Jay Gruden was a disastrous hire for Griffin. And Griffin is a disastrous QB for Gruden. It is a mutual relationship.

The only way I see Griffin succeeding is to have a good coach and Griffin willing to be coached. Griffin may have had that with Mike and Kyle Shanahan in 2012, but lost it.

 

[MikeApf]

There is definitely more than meets the eye here.

Look, Griffin has totally underperformed and is really making such fundamental mistakes that you can justify a benching. Not saying Gruden's perfect, but it's a little too easy guys to just blame everything on him. Griffin not understanding how far to drop back in the pocket or just holding the ball waaay too long is on him, not the coach.

That said, even with all of Griffin's flaws, you would think, just giving him the benefit of the doubt for 2012 -- and just to see this thing ALL the way through -- you would let him start every game he could this season, and I mean even if he totally sucked the entire time. I thought the point here was to see whether he could be the man in DC. So play him the whole season, the season is lost, if he sucks, then draft someone else, or get someone in FA or something...but move on definitively even if the fans squawk...make the decision after this season and don't leave the decision "open" indefinitely.

Instead what we see is kind of a smarmy middle ground. RGIII is benched and yet he's "a significant part of the Redskins future. What the heck does that mean? That we play Colt this season and then we enter next season again not knowing who the QB is? What is the point of that?

At this point, I don't care if RGIII is our starting QB or not. Sure, I want him to succeed because as a Redskins fan, I want to win, like we did in 2012. However, if he's not going to be the man, then I'd rather we just cut bait and move on. If that's what coaching staff thinks, then do it. It really could be that he just doesn't have it any more. Everyone seems to defend Griffin after bad games but at a certain point he is accountable for his play...it's not always just that Gruden doesn't know what he's doing...Griffin can still show basic competance on the field.

As for more than meets the eye. I wonder if any of the following are happening:

1. Snyder is pressuring Gruden to win NOW and not evaluate, and therefore he's panicking and pulling the plug.

2. Snyder has turned on Griffin and has now directed the coaches to find other answers.

3. Griffin really is hard to coach and Gruden is like "F You" (this is the second coach in a row Griffin hasn't seen eye to eye with...why does everyone assume every time it's the coaches fault...it's kind of like if you've been divorced three times all because you had "bad luck with bad spouses."

4. The Redskins are working on a trade perhaps in the offseason and don't want Griffin to be injured before the trade goes down.

THere has to be something else going on, if Griffin is benched but "still a part of the future." Again, I'm ok if they want to move on. Just trade the guy or let him walk and move on. Hopefully Griffin will succeed elsewhere and the Skins will get a new guy to build on. But none of this "middle ground" crap!

 

[Hang 10]

So that's it? RGIII is done in Washington because John Gruden's brother said so? I'm at my wits end with this franchise. It's a complete dumpster fire. I'm sorry but I'm not tuning in to see John Beck 2.0. There's just no point in being emotionally invested in a team that continues to kick it's fans in the balls.

One last point, how is Bruce Allen still employed? Wasn't he part of the braintrust that traded the farm for Griffin? How bout McNabb? Now he hires a way over his head coach to tear the whole thing down again?

I'm so over this garbage.

 

[dgreen]

I've always been a big believer that coaches/staff base decisions on more than just what we see in games. I don't think this is a decision based on just 4 games. I'm sure minicamp, training camp, preseason, practices, team meetings, and film sessions are all part of this decision.

I'm starting to hate how often I, and others, constantly refer back to Gibbs, but I would totally trust this decision if he made it rather than Gruden. Obviously there's a track record there and a trust factor from fans. For whatever reason, I just don't trust this decision. Maybe I just still really want Griffin to be great here and this doesn't seem like the path to get there. I'm probably more disappointed than anything else.

Well said and I'll point out he's been benched twice now and that was two different coaches. What does that say? Sadly, I think the problem is Robert and he's not that super after all.

I still like to believe he can have a future in the league and be a good player. I've said it before: he's 24. He's about the same age this season as Cousins was his rookie year. He's shown he can produce, but he's also showing he can't produce right now. The kinds of problems he's having right now are the types of things that coaches don't spend time on during the season. They are things that need the time allowed in offseason to teach.

So many things appear to have been handled poorly (by coaches and player) to reach this point. I'd like to think he could still develop into a good QB in DC, but I'm afraid the league just doesn't seem to work that way anymore. I think many of us envision him going somewhere else and a different organization being able to turn it all around. And that thought kind of sucks.

 

[GoBirds]

So that's it? RGIII is done in Washington because John Gruden's brother said so? I'm at my wits end with this franchise. It's a complete dumpster fire. I'm sorry but I'm not tuning in to see John Beck 2.0. There's just no point in being emotionally invested in a team that continues to kick it's fans in the balls.

One last point, how is Bruce Allen still employed? Wasn't he part of the braintrust that traded the farm for Griffin? How bout McNabb? Now he hires a way over his head coach tear the whole thing done again?

I'm so over this garbage.

 

[MikeApf]

I've always been a big believer that coaches/staff base decisions on more than just what we see in games. I don't think this is a decision based on just 4 games. I'm sure minicamp, training camp, preseason, practices, team meetings, and film sessions are all part of this decision.

I'm starting to hate how often I, and others, constantly refer back to Gibbs, but I would totally trust this decision if he made it rather than Gruden. Obviously there's a track record there and a trust factor from fans. For whatever reason, I just don't trust this decision. Maybe I just still really want Griffin to be great here and this doesn't seem like the path to get there. I'm probably more disappointed than anything else.

Well said and I'll point out he's been benched twice now and that was two different coaches. What does that say? Sadly, I think the problem is Robert and he's not that super after all.

I still like to believe he can have a future in the league and be a good player. I've said it before: he's 24. He's about the same age this season as Cousins was his rookie year. He's shown he can produce, but he's also showing he can't produce right now. The kinds of problems he's having right now are the types of things that coaches don't spend time on during the season. They are things that need the time allowed in offseason to teach.

So many things appear to have been handled poorly (by coaches and player) to reach this point. I'd like to think he could still develop into a good QB in DC, but I'm afraid the league just doesn't seem to work that way anymore. I think many of us envision him going somewhere else and a different organization being able to turn it all around. And that thought kind of sucks.

Not thinking like a Redskins fan but just objective:

The best thing for Griffin would be to sign as a backup QB somewhere else. Sit the bench and learn a few years. If it was good enough for Aaron Freakin Rodgers then it's good enough for Robert Griffin. Bide your time and look to produce when you get the chance.

In the meantime, embrace and enjoy living in the shadows away from the pounding of the media. Enjoy a few years re-learning the game you love and come back refreshed.

 

[MattFancy]

So that's it? RGIII is done in Washington because John Gruden's brother said so? I'm at my wits end with this franchise. It's a complete dumpster fire. I'm sorry but I'm not tuning in to see John Beck 2.0. There's just no point in being emotionally invested in a team that continues to kick it's fans in the balls.

One last point, how is Bruce Allen still employed? Wasn't he part of the braintrust that traded the farm for Griffin? How bout McNabb? Now he hires a way over his head coach tear the whole thing done again?

I'm so over this garbage.

Pretty sad, isn't it? After 4 full games at starter under Gruden, he decided he had seen enough. So under Gruden's watch this year he's basically said Cousins isn't good enough and neither is RG3. He's going to stake his reputation in Colt McCoy. The Colt McCoy who hasn't completed more than 61% of his passes in any season. A guy that has been a backup for the last 3 seasons. And now Gruden thinks he's the answer rather than going back to Cousins? I could understand if they wanted to give Cousins another shot, But going to the career backup journeyman QB makes no sense to me.

Agree on Allen. If RG3 is done here, Allen should be as well. He's the "GM" of this team. If you're biggest acquisition of your tenure here flames in in less than 3 full seasons, you have to go.

 

[dhockster]

So the Redskins have an owner who hired a poor GM. Either the owner or the poor GM or both hired what appears to be a bad head coach. The bad head coach is taking a great QB prospect which the team invested 3 first round picks in

and turning his game to shambles. Due to the high investment in the QB, the offensive line needs have not been addressed which contributes further to the problems at QB.

Oh, and your franchise gets national ridicule over the team name and logo.

Boy, I feel sorry for you guys. I would say hang in there, but it does not look like Daniel Snyder is going anywhere.

I reiterate: I feel sorry for you guys.

 

[MattFancy]

So the Redskins have an owner who hired a poor GM. Either the owner or the poor GM or both hired what appears to be a bad head coach. The bad head coach is taking a great QB prospect which the team invested 3 first round picks in

and turning his game to shambles. Due to the high investment in the QB, the offensive line needs have not been addressed which contributes further to the problems at QB.

Oh, and your franchise gets national ridicule over the team name and logo.

Boy, I feel sorry for you guys. I would say hang in there, but it does not look like Daniel Snyder is going anywhere.

I reiterate: I feel sorry for you guys.

So the Redskins have an owner who hired a poor GM. Either the owner or the poor GM or both hired what appears to be a bad head coach. The bad head coach is taking a great QB prospect which the team invested 3 first round picks in

and turning his game to shambles. Due to the high investment in the QB, the offensive line needs have not been addressed which contributes further to the problems at QB.

Oh, and your franchise gets national ridicule over the team name and logo.

Boy, I feel sorry for you guys. I would say hang in there, but it does not look like Daniel Snyder is going anywhere.

I reiterate: I feel sorry for you guys.

There's no harder team to root for than the Redskins. Probably in all of sports.

 

[Hang 10]

So that's it? RGIII is done in Washington because John Gruden's brother said so? I'm at my wits end with this franchise. It's a complete dumpster fire. I'm sorry but I'm not tuning in to see John Beck 2.0. There's just no point in being emotionally invested in a team that continues to kick it's fans in the balls.

One last point, how is Bruce Allen still employed? Wasn't he part of the braintrust that traded the farm for Griffin? How bout McNabb? Now he hires a way over his head coach tear the whole thing done again?

I'm so over this garbage.

Pretty sad, isn't it? After 4 full games at starter under Gruden, he decided he had seen enough. So under Gruden's watch this year he's basically said Cousins isn't good enough and neither is RG3. He's going to stake his reputation in Colt McCoy. The Colt McCoy who hasn't completed more than 61% of his passes in any season. A guy that has been a backup for the last 3 seasons. And now Gruden thinks he's the answer rather than going back to Cousins? I could understand if they wanted to give Cousins another shot, But going to the career backup journeyman QB makes no sense to me.

Agree on Allen. If RG3 is done here, Allen should be as well. He's the "GM" of this team. If you're biggest acquisition of your tenure here flames in in less than 3 full seasons, you have to go.

Yeah, I just don't get it. And you're right. Gruden couldn't coach up Cousins. Can't coach up Griffin. And now we're just supposed to move on from both of them in favor of Colt McCoy? Jay won't be the coach after next season and the cycle will just repeat itself. SMH

 

[MattFancy]

So that's it? RGIII is done in Washington because John Gruden's brother said so? I'm at my wits end with this franchise. It's a complete dumpster fire. I'm sorry but I'm not tuning in to see John Beck 2.0. There's just no point in being emotionally invested in a team that continues to kick it's fans in the balls.

One last point, how is Bruce Allen still employed? Wasn't he part of the braintrust that traded the farm for Griffin? How bout McNabb? Now he hires a way over his head coach tear the whole thing done again?

I'm so over this garbage.

Pretty sad, isn't it? After 4 full games at starter under Gruden, he decided he had seen enough. So under Gruden's watch this year he's basically said Cousins isn't good enough and neither is RG3. He's going to stake his reputation in Colt McCoy. The Colt McCoy who hasn't completed more than 61% of his passes in any season. A guy that has been a backup for the last 3 seasons. And now Gruden thinks he's the answer rather than going back to Cousins? I could understand if they wanted to give Cousins another shot, But going to the career backup journeyman QB makes no sense to me.

Agree on Allen. If RG3 is done here, Allen should be as well. He's the "GM" of this team. If you're biggest acquisition of your tenure here flames in in less than 3 full seasons, you have to go.

Yeah, I just don't get it. And you're right. Gruden couldn't coach up Cousins. Can't coach up Griffin. And now we're just supposed to move on from both of them in favor of Colt McCoy? Jay won't be the coach after next season and the cycle will just repeat itself. SMH

Right. We had 2 promising young QBs when Jay got here. Now what do we have? Colt freaking McCoy? Jay is in over his head and it's sad to watch. He has no idea how to coach a team. I've never seen a coach publicy bash his QB before. Jay needs to go along with Allen since Allen hired him.

 

[MikeApf]

So the Redskins have an owner who hired a poor GM. Either the owner or the poor GM or both hired what appears to be a bad head coach. The bad head coach is taking a great QB prospect which the team invested 3 first round picks in

and turning his game to shambles. Due to the high investment in the QB, the offensive line needs have not been addressed which contributes further to the problems at QB.

Oh, and your franchise gets national ridicule over the team name and logo.

Boy, I feel sorry for you guys. I would say hang in there, but it does not look like Daniel Snyder is going anywhere.

I reiterate: I feel sorry for you guys.

So the Redskins have an owner who hired a poor GM. Either the owner or the poor GM or both hired what appears to be a bad head coach. The bad head coach is taking a great QB prospect which the team invested 3 first round picks in

and turning his game to shambles. Due to the high investment in the QB, the offensive line needs have not been addressed which contributes further to the problems at QB.

Oh, and your franchise gets national ridicule over the team name and logo.

Boy, I feel sorry for you guys. I would say hang in there, but it does not look like Daniel Snyder is going anywhere.

I reiterate: I feel sorry for you guys.

There's no harder team to root for than the Redskins. Probably in all of sports.

The funny thing is that some people still refer to Redskins fans as "bandwagon fans"...bandwagon...don't you have to at least have a winning record every now and again to have a bandwagon?

 

[MikeApf]

So that's it? RGIII is done in Washington because John Gruden's brother said so? I'm at my wits end with this franchise. It's a complete dumpster fire. I'm sorry but I'm not tuning in to see John Beck 2.0. There's just no point in being emotionally invested in a team that continues to kick it's fans in the balls.

One last point, how is Bruce Allen still employed? Wasn't he part of the braintrust that traded the farm for Griffin? How bout McNabb? Now he hires a way over his head coach tear the whole thing done again?

I'm so over this garbage.

Pretty sad, isn't it? After 4 full games at starter under Gruden, he decided he had seen enough. So under Gruden's watch this year he's basically said Cousins isn't good enough and neither is RG3. He's going to stake his reputation in Colt McCoy. The Colt McCoy who hasn't completed more than 61% of his passes in any season. A guy that has been a backup for the last 3 seasons. And now Gruden thinks he's the answer rather than going back to Cousins? I could understand if they wanted to give Cousins another shot, But going to the career backup journeyman QB makes no sense to me.

Agree on Allen. If RG3 is done here, Allen should be as well. He's the "GM" of this team. If you're biggest acquisition of your tenure here flames in in less than 3 full seasons, you have to go.

Yeah, I just don't get it. And you're right. Gruden couldn't coach up Cousins. Can't coach up Griffin. And now we're just supposed to move on from both of them in favor of Colt McCoy? Jay won't be the coach after next season and the cycle will just repeat itself. SMH

Two things:

1. I fully expect to see a new QB signed next year, either via draft or FA. What are the draft candidates out there like? Isn't there some guy from Oregon who is good. Though it would be like the Redskins to trade up for Winston and experience another flame out.

2. What are the odds that Snyder gets fed up and sells the team to Ted Leonsis, who has now built up two other Washington franchises from ground up. A guy can dream, can't he?

 

[dgreen]

He's going to stake his reputation in Colt McCoy. The Colt McCoy who hasn't completed more than 61% of his passes in any season. A guy that has been a backup for the last 3 seasons. And now Gruden thinks he's the answer rather than going back to Cousins?

I definitely think Jay's made some mistakes and has struggled as a rookie coach. I also understand (and partially agree) with the argument to continue playing Griffin the rest of this season. But, this is an unfair description of Gruden's decision. I see no indication that he's staking his reputation on McCoy nor do I see evidence that he think he's the answer...unless the question is: Who gives us the best chance to run an NFL offense right now?

 

[dhockster]

So the Redskins have an owner who hired a poor GM. Either the owner or the poor GM or both hired what appears to be a bad head coach. The bad head coach is taking a great QB prospect which the team invested 3 first round picks in

and turning his game to shambles. Due to the high investment in the QB, the offensive line needs have not been addressed which contributes further to the problems at QB.

Oh, and your franchise gets national ridicule over the team name and logo.

Boy, I feel sorry for you guys. I would say hang in there, but it does not look like Daniel Snyder is going anywhere.

I reiterate: I feel sorry for you guys.

So the Redskins have an owner who hired a poor GM. Either the owner or the poor GM or both hired what appears to be a bad head coach. The bad head coach is taking a great QB prospect which the team invested 3 first round picks in

and turning his game to shambles. Due to the high investment in the QB, the offensive line needs have not been addressed which contributes further to the problems at QB.

Oh, and your franchise gets national ridicule over the team name and logo.

Boy, I feel sorry for you guys. I would say hang in there, but it does not look like Daniel Snyder is going anywhere.

I reiterate: I feel sorry for you guys.

There's no harder team to root for than the Redskins. Probably in all of sports.

The funny thing is that some people still refer to Redskins fans as "bandwagon fans"...bandwagon...don't you have to at least have a winning record every now and again to have a bandwagon?

Based on this board alone, Redskin fans are not bandwagon fans. You are some of the most active, knowledgeable fans on this website who desperately want your team to win. All I have to do is go to the Cowboys thread after 2 losses when they are 6-3 and what do I find? Crickets. No posters for about 2 weeks. You tell me who the bandwagon fans are.

 

[Hang 10]

He's going to stake his reputation in Colt McCoy. The Colt McCoy who hasn't completed more than 61% of his passes in any season. A guy that has been a backup for the last 3 seasons. And now Gruden thinks he's the answer rather than going back to Cousins?

I definitely think Jay's made some mistakes and has struggled as a rookie coach. I also understand (and partially agree) with the argument to continue playing Griffin the rest of this season. But, this is an unfair description of Gruden's decision. I see no indication that he's staking his reputation on McCoy nor do I see evidence that he think he's the answer...unless the question is: Who gives us the best chance to run an NFL offense right now?

Gruden ain't exactly Bill Walsh. I really don't give a crap about his offense. What ever happened to coaches game planning to their players strengths?

 

[Hang 10]

So that's it? RGIII is done in Washington because John Gruden's brother said so? I'm at my wits end with this franchise. It's a complete dumpster fire. I'm sorry but I'm not tuning in to see John Beck 2.0. There's just no point in being emotionally invested in a team that continues to kick it's fans in the balls.

One last point, how is Bruce Allen still employed? Wasn't he part of the braintrust that traded the farm for Griffin? How bout McNabb? Now he hires a way over his head coach tear the whole thing done again?

I'm so over this garbage.

Pretty sad, isn't it? After 4 full games at starter under Gruden, he decided he had seen enough. So under Gruden's watch this year he's basically said Cousins isn't good enough and neither is RG3. He's going to stake his reputation in Colt McCoy. The Colt McCoy who hasn't completed more than 61% of his passes in any season. A guy that has been a backup for the last 3 seasons. And now Gruden thinks he's the answer rather than going back to Cousins? I could understand if they wanted to give Cousins another shot, But going to the career backup journeyman QB makes no sense to me.

Agree on Allen. If RG3 is done here, Allen should be as well. He's the "GM" of this team. If you're biggest acquisition of your tenure here flames in in less than 3 full seasons, you have to go.

Yeah, I just don't get it. And you're right. Gruden couldn't coach up Cousins. Can't coach up Griffin. And now we're just supposed to move on from both of them in favor of Colt McCoy? Jay won't be the coach after next season and the cycle will just repeat itself. SMH

Two things:

1. I fully expect to see a new QB signed next year, either via draft or FA. What are the draft candidates out there like? Isn't there some guy from Oregon who is good. Though it would be like the Redskins to trade up for Winston and experience another flame out.

2. What are the odds that Snyder gets fed up and sells the team to Ted Leonsis, who has now built up two other Washington franchises from ground up. A guy can dream, can't he?

I'm sure they will go get a new QB but you can see it playing out like it always does. He'll struggle and then Gruden will be out and the new coach will be forced to work someone else's QB. A classic recipe for failure.

 

[Jerry Curl]

So the Redskins have an owner who hired a poor GM. Either the owner or the poor GM or both hired what appears to be a bad head coach. The bad head coach is taking a great QB prospect which the team invested 3 first round picks in

and turning his game to shambles. Due to the high investment in the QB, the offensive line needs have not been addressed which contributes further to the problems at QB.

Oh, and your franchise gets national ridicule over the team name and logo.

Boy, I feel sorry for you guys. I would say hang in there, but it does not look like Daniel Snyder is going anywhere.

I reiterate: I feel sorry for you guys.

So the Redskins have an owner who hired a poor GM. Either the owner or the poor GM or both hired what appears to be a bad head coach. The bad head coach is taking a great QB prospect which the team invested 3 first round picks in

and turning his game to shambles. Due to the high investment in the QB, the offensive line needs have not been addressed which contributes further to the problems at QB.

Oh, and your franchise gets national ridicule over the team name and logo.

Boy, I feel sorry for you guys. I would say hang in there, but it does not look like Daniel Snyder is going anywhere.

I reiterate: I feel sorry for you guys.

There's no harder team to root for than the Redskins. Probably in all of sports.

Fans of every franchise in every sport will disagree with you.

 

[MikeApf]

He's going to stake his reputation in Colt McCoy. The Colt McCoy who hasn't completed more than 61% of his passes in any season. A guy that has been a backup for the last 3 seasons. And now Gruden thinks he's the answer rather than going back to Cousins?

I definitely think Jay's made some mistakes and has struggled as a rookie coach. I also understand (and partially agree) with the argument to continue playing Griffin the rest of this season. But, this is an unfair description of Gruden's decision. I see no indication that he's staking his reputation on McCoy nor do I see evidence that he think he's the answer...unless the question is: Who gives us the best chance to run an NFL offense right now?

Gruden ain't exactly Bill Walsh. I really don't give a crap about his offense. What ever happened to coaches game planning to their players strengths?

You know, ironically, looking back at it Kyle Shanahan actually did a good job doing that. And now he's having success in Cleveland as well. Everyone made it sound like Kyle only had a job 'because of his Daddy" but looking back on it was he really that bad?