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***Official*** Washington Redskins 2014 Thread (In-Season) (1 Viewer)

steelers1080 said:
This year can't end soon enough for you guys.

Do you guys have all of your draft picks next year? O-line biggest priority?
Yup believe we have all of our picks.

OL should be the 1st priority, but knowing how this team drafts, we'll take a LB or DT.
Our pass rush is horrible and will get worse if/when Orakpo leaves (Worse than when he was in earlier in the year). It wouldn't be the worst thing to improve our defense, and we could still go O-line in the 2nd round.

Really we need pass rushers, oline, and secondary help, not necessarily in that order. The first 4 rounds should be OLB, OT, OG or C, and CB or S. Then just double up on all of those in the later rounds. If we could trade back to around pick 10 and get a solid Offensive lineman, and someone's first round pick from next year, I would do that in a heartbeat.
Orkapo contributed next to nothing so his departure shouldn't be missed. Also you mention Center being an issue, Lichenstieger has had a pretty good year. Him and Trent are the only 2 on the O-Line that would start on most teams around the league.

 
Washington Redskins QBR as the season progresses:

Week 1: 29.7

Week 2: 79.9/93.7

Week 3: 78.5

Week 4: 13.9

Week 5: 49.4

Week 6: 19.7

Week 7: 15.2/82.3

Week 8: 80.8

Week 9: 57.8

Week 10: BYE

Week 11: 12.9

Week 12: 7.9

Week 13: 26.7

Week 14: 7.6/9.5

When you see a spike in the numbers that's when a new QB came in and started, the more time these QBs spend with Gruden the worse they look.

 
I bet Gruden gets a job elsewhere next year and makes Snyder look like the fool he is.
Why do you believe that will happen? Gruden has been HORRIBLE this year, no matter who was playing QB. He hasn't gotten the team to respond to anything, he's been a clown in his pressers, what makes you think he'll suddenly be good elsewhere? The more I think about it, he can thank AJ Green for this contract he got.
:goodposting:

Gruden has not looked like he has a handle on the job at all.

 
The obvious counter point is the soap opera stuff- Jay hates him/he hates Jay, he's a "loner," the media circus will continue, blah blah blah. I think fans and media overestimate that stuff. Football is a business, playing and coaching is a job. People won't refuse to do their jobs just because they don't get along great with a co-worker.
Yeah, all this team drama would not be team drama if the team was winning, if they were going out on the field every week knowing they had a decent chance to win, and if the fans knew the team had a decent chance to win. Nobody would be talking about the huge soap opera stuff; we'd be alternately praising and criticizing different parts of the coaching and playing, and nothing more.

Injuries wouldn't be lasting as long either.

But who the hell does this team look to for leadership, for some sense that they can win? Gruden? :lol: The guy who criticized them after each game so the press will think he's refreshing?

 
This year can't end soon enough for you guys.

Do you guys have all of your draft picks next year? O-line biggest priority?
Yup believe we have all of our picks.

OL should be the 1st priority, but knowing how this team drafts, we'll take a LB or DT.
I think they will take a WR. Maybe a TE and RB.
TE

LT (to try to convert to RT)

WR

QB

DE (to try to convert to OLB)

C

QB

I'd punch my ####### TV if that happened, which means there's a 30% chance I'll be asking about good TV deals this spring.

 
MattFancy said:
Interesting offseason decision looming, one that could be franchise definiing: Griffin or Gruden?
In time when we look back we'll see that it wasn't franchise determining. Gruden's not a good coach. He's taken a bad team and made it worse. If he's not fired this year he'll be fired next year. When he gets fired only will determine what year we hire a new coach.

We no longer know if Griffin's any good or not, or will be. Part of determining that will be on the coach, part on Griffin, and part on the rest of the team. No QB can be good behind this line.

The things this year that will be defining:

1. Is a good GM hired to handle all personnel matters?

2. Do the Redskins start building the team from the inside out, by regularly building and restocking the offensive and defensive lines?

Those are the big things.

 
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JaxBill said:
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Gruden says they don't need to see anymore RG3 to figure out what he can or can't do #Redskins
Well if that doesn't get him fired so he can take a college job, he might as well start refusing to use the term "Redskins" in the post-game press conference.

"I thought at times in the first half we played fundamentally sound 'Washington football team' football"
:lmao: That would be awesome.

 
Orkapo contributed next to nothing so his departure shouldn't be missed. Also you mention Center being an issue, Lichenstieger has had a pretty good year. Him and Trent are the only 2 on the O-Line that would start on most teams around the league.
I'll disagree a bit. Orakpo was their best run defender, along with Keenan Robinson. But he's not worth keeping at his price and I don't think he's advanced in the pass-rush moves since he's been in the league. And while it keeps being said that Lichtensteiger has had a pretty good year, I haven't seen it during games. I keep seeing his buttocks racing towards the QB on pass plays. I think he only looks good because Chester and Lauvao get pushed backwards even faster than he does.

Cooley's done a lot of excuse-making for the O-line this year, blaming the sacks on the TE's, RB's, and on Griffin. He usually grades the O-line at average or better. There is no human being on this planet who would watch them play and even grade them average,

 
Washington Redskins QBR as the season progresses:

Week 1: 29.7

Week 2: 79.9/93.7

Week 3: 78.5

Week 4: 13.9

Week 5: 49.4

Week 6: 19.7

Week 7: 15.2/82.3

Week 8: 80.8

Week 9: 57.8

Week 10: BYE

Week 11: 12.9

Week 12: 7.9

Week 13: 26.7

Week 14: 7.6/9.5

When you see a spike in the numbers that's when a new QB came in and started, the more time these QBs spend with Gruden the worse they look.
That's truly frightening. Gruden must be worrying and micro-managing all 3 of them to death.

 
Orkapo contributed next to nothing so his departure shouldn't be missed. Also you mention Center being an issue, Lichenstieger has had a pretty good year. Him and Trent are the only 2 on the O-Line that would start on most teams around the league.
I'll disagree a bit. Orakpo was their best run defender, along with Keenan Robinson. But he's not worth keeping at his price and I don't think he's advanced in the pass-rush moves since he's been in the league. And while it keeps being said that Lichtensteiger has had a pretty good year, I haven't seen it during games. I keep seeing his buttocks racing towards the QB on pass plays. I think he only looks good because Chester and Lauvao get pushed backwards even faster than he does.

Cooley's done a lot of excuse-making for the O-line this year, blaming the sacks on the TE's, RB's, and on Griffin. He usually grades the O-line at average or better. There is no human being on this planet who would watch them play and even grade them average,
Don't forget Orakpos Pecs are made of paper mache
 
I bet Gruden gets a job elsewhere next year and makes Snyder look like the fool he is.
Why do you believe that will happen? Gruden has been HORRIBLE this year, no matter who was playing QB. He hasn't gotten the team to respond to anything, he's been a clown in his pressers, what makes you think he'll suddenly be good elsewhere? The more I think about it, he can thank AJ Green for this contract he got.
If Gruden succeeds elsewhere, it is a statement that Snyder is doing things to cause the coach to fail. Or at a minimum, set up an environment where the coach always fails.

 
Orkapo contributed next to nothing so his departure shouldn't be missed. Also you mention Center being an issue, Lichenstieger has had a pretty good year. Him and Trent are the only 2 on the O-Line that would start on most teams around the league.
I'll disagree a bit. Orakpo was their best run defender, along with Keenan Robinson. But he's not worth keeping at his price and I don't think he's advanced in the pass-rush moves since he's been in the league. And while it keeps being said that Lichtensteiger has had a pretty good year, I haven't seen it during games. I keep seeing his buttocks racing towards the QB on pass plays. I think he only looks good because Chester and Lauvao get pushed backwards even faster than he does.

Cooley's done a lot of excuse-making for the O-line this year, blaming the sacks on the TE's, RB's, and on Griffin. He usually grades the O-line at average or better. There is no human being on this planet who would watch them play and even grade them average,
Don't forget Orakpos Pecs are made of paper mache
We'll miss his run defense and his pass rushing circa 2009-2011. That said, he's worth a small contract but will want a large one so I hope we pass on him. Not giving him a long term deal in the offseason was one of our few good moves.

As a team we somehow need a new FO staff that Snyder respects and is willing to leave alone except to settle disputes between the coach and GM. Snyder needs to take a page from Jack Kent Cooke's playbook. The odds of this happening are probably below 5%.

A new GM, Coach, and attitude are all that can save this team, and it will take some time for the turnaround. I'm pretty sure every team in the league hates the Redskins right now...

 
Washington Redskins QBR as the season progresses:

Week 1: 29.7

Week 2: 79.9/93.7

Week 3: 78.5

Week 4: 13.9

Week 5: 49.4

Week 6: 19.7

Week 7: 15.2/82.3

Week 8: 80.8

Week 9: 57.8

Week 10: BYE

Week 11: 12.9

Week 12: 7.9

Week 13: 26.7

Week 14: 7.6/9.5

When you see a spike in the numbers that's when a new QB came in and started, the more time these QBs spend with Gruden the worse they look.
Here's each QBs numbers in their starts this season, you'll notice the trend:

Griffin (not including Jags game):

@Hou - 29/37, 267, 0/0, 96.7

@Min - 18/28, 251, 1/1, 90.0

vs TB - 23/32, 207, 1/2, 73.3

@SF - 11/19, 106, 0/0, 73.6

Cousins:

@Phi - 30/48, 427, 3/1, 103.4

vs NYG - 19/33, 257, 1/4, 53.0

vs Sea - 21/36, 283, 2/0, 102.0

@Ari - 24/38, 354, 2/3, 78.2

vs Ten - 10/16, 139, 0/1, 64.3

McCoy:

@Dal - 25/30, 299, 0/1, 94.3

@Ind - 31/47, 392, 3/0, 113.1

vs StL - 20/32, 199, 0/2, 54.0

So as each QB plays longer, the worse they get. Cousins had the most success, yet has been inactive the last 5 weeks. RG3's worse games from a QB Rating standpoint are much better than the other 2's worst games. Gruden was brought in to coach up these QBs, what exactly is he doing that they're getting worse as they play more? Shouldn't it be the opposite?

 
It took Jim Zorn 2 years to get this bad. Gruden did it in 1.

Oh, by the way. There's a game this weekend against the Giants. I heard some announcer say that the 2 defenses were so bad that there might be a record number of points scored. When you look at the Redskins scoring numbers this year, it's hard to picture that happening.

Let's see how many TD's are scored by Giants TE's.

 
at this point, I don't care what the back lash is. Fukk Gruden. Fire him. Not one single player is progressed under him. Instead of shielding his own players and taking accountability (something he ripped RG3 for), dude just blames everyone else. Instead of deflecting drama, he introduces it. This is the guy we want leading our favorite team?

 
at this point, I don't care what the back lash is. Fukk Gruden. Fire him. Not one single player is progressed under him. Instead of shielding his own players and taking accountability (something he ripped RG3 for), dude just blames everyone else. Instead of deflecting drama, he introduces it. This is the guy we want leading our favorite team?
Exactly. He's so quick to blame the players for screwing up, especially RG3. Sure, in the first few weeks of the season, we could put some blame on the players. But considering they've played 13 games and we're still seeing the same problems, that's on the coaching staff. Jay's response, "I'm just gonna keep coaching the way I have been all year", oh because that's worked out so well? Dude got a job here because his last name is Gruden and Allen has hired all his buddies here. Go look at every member of the coaching staff, one way or another, they can connect back to Tampa Bay. And it's not even like Tampa was well run during Allen's tenure there. At least copy a team that wins.

 
Did anyone catch the graphic on SportsCenter yesterday comparing Griffin's first 33 starts to Steve Young's? Eerily similar in just about every statistic. Wonder if Gruden would have seen enough of Young?

 
It took Jim Zorn 2 years to get this bad. Gruden did it in 1.

Oh, by the way. There's a game this weekend against the Giants. I heard some announcer say that the 2 defenses were so bad that there might be a record number of points scored. When you look at the Redskins scoring numbers this year, it's hard to picture that happening.

Let's see how many TD's are scored by Giants TE's.
One thing I know. I have the Giants defense and I am starting them this weekend.

 
Interesting article from PFT on microfracture surgery. Gosder Cherilus (T with the Colts) said his doctor told him he would be surprised if he played again. Cherilus is saying it is much harder for a DL to recover from it than an OL. He is talking about Jadeveon Clowney.

Why bring this up? I was very surprised the Redskins did not cut Stephen Bowen the past off season after having microfracture surgery. Bowen renegotiated his contract in August, so presumably he is making near the minimum. But the chances of him playing again at a high level are slim. And he is eating up cap space while he recovers.

Bruce Allen made some questionable moves the past off season. This one is under the radar of many, but it really did not make much sense.

 
Bruce Allen made some questionable moves the past off season. This one is under the radar of many, but it really did not make much sense.
Lots of questionable offseason moves.

Re-signing Moss. Sure it was a cheap deal, but why waste the roster spot on a guy that doesn't see the field very often? It's not like we were a vet WR away. Especially after we added Roberts and Jackson and drafted Grant.

Bringing Hankerson back. Why? Dude has been injured constantly and has never really produced here. Had a couple decent games his rookie season but that's been it. Again, with the WRs we have here, what was the reason for keeping him? Or even bringing him back after injury? Has he even seen the field since he's been back?

Aldrick Robinson. Sensing a theme here. Why the need for all these WRs? Robinson's one trick was useless once we brought in Jackson. Robinson is a poor man's Jackson. Why keep him around? Another one that barely played until he was cut,

Keeping Bowen. Like you said, guys coming off microfacture surgery have a tough time ahead. Older guys have it even harder. So why bring him back? Another guy that was injured most of the season and don't really remember him making much of an impact since he's been healthy.

Keeping Chester. Once we drafted Long, I thought Chester was gone. It's not like Chester has been that good over the last couple seasons. I understand the need for OL depth, but why not bring in younger/cheaper guys that could probably produce similar results.

Not addessing safety. The biggest need was safety in the offseason. We brought in Ryan Clark. He's been extremely disappointing and was never really anything other than a stop gap. We thought he'd help the young guys Rambo and Thomas. Well we cut Rambo and Thomas has been bouncing around from the PS to wherever else. So why bring in a vet to teach the young guys and then cut the young guys?

Franchising Orakpo. Maybe hindsight is 20/20 here, but I was never a huge fan of the move. It was $11M guaranteed that ate into valuable cap space. Him getting hurt yet again this season just makes it look even worse. Especially since we franchised him then a couple months later drafted his replacement. Why franchise him then? Or why draft Murphy so early? Didn't make sense then and looks even worse now.

The only offseason move this team made that has helped in any way was signing Jackson and that just happened to fall right into their laps. For Bruce's first "real" season as GM, he made some really terrible moves that didn't help this team at all.

 
Bruce Allen made some questionable moves the past off season. This one is under the radar of many, but it really did not make much sense.
Lots of questionable offseason moves.

Re-signing Moss. Sure it was a cheap deal, but why waste the roster spot on a guy that doesn't see the field very often? It's not like we were a vet WR away. Especially after we added Roberts and Jackson and drafted Grant.

Bringing Hankerson back. Why? Dude has been injured constantly and has never really produced here. Had a couple decent games his rookie season but that's been it. Again, with the WRs we have here, what was the reason for keeping him? Or even bringing him back after injury? Has he even seen the field since he's been back?

Aldrick Robinson. Sensing a theme here. Why the need for all these WRs? Robinson's one trick was useless once we brought in Jackson. Robinson is a poor man's Jackson. Why keep him around? Another one that barely played until he was cut,

Keeping Bowen. Like you said, guys coming off microfacture surgery have a tough time ahead. Older guys have it even harder. So why bring him back? Another guy that was injured most of the season and don't really remember him making much of an impact since he's been healthy.

Keeping Chester. Once we drafted Long, I thought Chester was gone. It's not like Chester has been that good over the last couple seasons. I understand the need for OL depth, but why not bring in younger/cheaper guys that could probably produce similar results.

Not addessing safety. The biggest need was safety in the offseason. We brought in Ryan Clark. He's been extremely disappointing and was never really anything other than a stop gap. We thought he'd help the young guys Rambo and Thomas. Well we cut Rambo and Thomas has been bouncing around from the PS to wherever else. So why bring in a vet to teach the young guys and then cut the young guys?

Franchising Orakpo. Maybe hindsight is 20/20 here, but I was never a huge fan of the move. It was $11M guaranteed that ate into valuable cap space. Him getting hurt yet again this season just makes it look even worse. Especially since we franchised him then a couple months later drafted his replacement. Why franchise him then? Or why draft Murphy so early? Didn't make sense then and looks even worse now.

The only offseason move this team made that has helped in any way was signing Jackson and that just happened to fall right into their laps. For Bruce's first "real" season as GM, he made some really terrible moves that didn't help this team at all.
I am ok with bringing Hankerson and Robinson back. Jay Gruden was brought in develop the offensive players. So bringing back young guys and letting Gruden trying to develop them makes sense. Had we known that Gruden can't develop any players, then it really does not matter who you have on the roster.

I am starting to question the Jackson signing. Garcon is a good wide receiver and plenty serviceable. But with Jackson on the rosters, Garcon is more of a run blocking WR. It seems like Jackson with Garcon is too much of a good thing. They can only get the ball to one of them. Of course, maybe there is a problem with the offensive scheme. Detroit has no problems getting the ball to both Calvin Johnson and Golden Tate.

 
Bruce Allen made some questionable moves the past off season. This one is under the radar of many, but it really did not make much sense.
Lots of questionable offseason moves.

Re-signing Moss. Sure it was a cheap deal, but why waste the roster spot on a guy that doesn't see the field very often? It's not like we were a vet WR away. Especially after we added Roberts and Jackson and drafted Grant.

Bringing Hankerson back. Why? Dude has been injured constantly and has never really produced here. Had a couple decent games his rookie season but that's been it. Again, with the WRs we have here, what was the reason for keeping him? Or even bringing him back after injury? Has he even seen the field since he's been back?

Aldrick Robinson. Sensing a theme here. Why the need for all these WRs? Robinson's one trick was useless once we brought in Jackson. Robinson is a poor man's Jackson. Why keep him around? Another one that barely played until he was cut,

Keeping Bowen. Like you said, guys coming off microfacture surgery have a tough time ahead. Older guys have it even harder. So why bring him back? Another guy that was injured most of the season and don't really remember him making much of an impact since he's been healthy.

Keeping Chester. Once we drafted Long, I thought Chester was gone. It's not like Chester has been that good over the last couple seasons. I understand the need for OL depth, but why not bring in younger/cheaper guys that could probably produce similar results.

Not addessing safety. The biggest need was safety in the offseason. We brought in Ryan Clark. He's been extremely disappointing and was never really anything other than a stop gap. We thought he'd help the young guys Rambo and Thomas. Well we cut Rambo and Thomas has been bouncing around from the PS to wherever else. So why bring in a vet to teach the young guys and then cut the young guys?

Franchising Orakpo. Maybe hindsight is 20/20 here, but I was never a huge fan of the move. It was $11M guaranteed that ate into valuable cap space. Him getting hurt yet again this season just makes it look even worse. Especially since we franchised him then a couple months later drafted his replacement. Why franchise him then? Or why draft Murphy so early? Didn't make sense then and looks even worse now.

The only offseason move this team made that has helped in any way was signing Jackson and that just happened to fall right into their laps. For Bruce's first "real" season as GM, he made some really terrible moves that didn't help this team at all.
I am ok with bringing Hankerson and Robinson back. Jay Gruden was brought in develop the offensive players. So bringing back young guys and letting Gruden trying to develop them makes sense. Had we known that Gruden can't develop any players, then it really does not matter who you have on the roster.

I am starting to question the Jackson signing. Garcon is a good wide receiver and plenty serviceable. But with Jackson on the rosters, Garcon is more of a run blocking WR. It seems like Jackson with Garcon is too much of a good thing. They can only get the ball to one of them. Of course, maybe there is a problem with the offensive scheme. Detroit has no problems getting the ball to both Calvin Johnson and Golden Tate.
Bringing in a talent like Jackson at a reasonable price was a good move. It's the coach's job to figure out how he's supposed to gel with the rest of the offense. Just another example of Gruden's failure.

 
Bruce Allen made some questionable moves the past off season. This one is under the radar of many, but it really did not make much sense.
Lots of questionable offseason moves.

Re-signing Moss. Sure it was a cheap deal, but why waste the roster spot on a guy that doesn't see the field very often? It's not like we were a vet WR away. Especially after we added Roberts and Jackson and drafted Grant.

Bringing Hankerson back. Why? Dude has been injured constantly and has never really produced here. Had a couple decent games his rookie season but that's been it. Again, with the WRs we have here, what was the reason for keeping him? Or even bringing him back after injury? Has he even seen the field since he's been back?

Aldrick Robinson. Sensing a theme here. Why the need for all these WRs? Robinson's one trick was useless once we brought in Jackson. Robinson is a poor man's Jackson. Why keep him around? Another one that barely played until he was cut,

Keeping Bowen. Like you said, guys coming off microfacture surgery have a tough time ahead. Older guys have it even harder. So why bring him back? Another guy that was injured most of the season and don't really remember him making much of an impact since he's been healthy.

Keeping Chester. Once we drafted Long, I thought Chester was gone. It's not like Chester has been that good over the last couple seasons. I understand the need for OL depth, but why not bring in younger/cheaper guys that could probably produce similar results.

Not addessing safety. The biggest need was safety in the offseason. We brought in Ryan Clark. He's been extremely disappointing and was never really anything other than a stop gap. We thought he'd help the young guys Rambo and Thomas. Well we cut Rambo and Thomas has been bouncing around from the PS to wherever else. So why bring in a vet to teach the young guys and then cut the young guys?

Franchising Orakpo. Maybe hindsight is 20/20 here, but I was never a huge fan of the move. It was $11M guaranteed that ate into valuable cap space. Him getting hurt yet again this season just makes it look even worse. Especially since we franchised him then a couple months later drafted his replacement. Why franchise him then? Or why draft Murphy so early? Didn't make sense then and looks even worse now.

The only offseason move this team made that has helped in any way was signing Jackson and that just happened to fall right into their laps. For Bruce's first "real" season as GM, he made some really terrible moves that didn't help this team at all.
I am ok with bringing Hankerson and Robinson back. Jay Gruden was brought in develop the offensive players. So bringing back young guys and letting Gruden trying to develop them makes sense. Had we known that Gruden can't develop any players, then it really does not matter who you have on the roster.

I am starting to question the Jackson signing. Garcon is a good wide receiver and plenty serviceable. But with Jackson on the rosters, Garcon is more of a run blocking WR. It seems like Jackson with Garcon is too much of a good thing. They can only get the ball to one of them. Of course, maybe there is a problem with the offensive scheme. Detroit has no problems getting the ball to both Calvin Johnson and Golden Tate.
I think it's the scheme. Look at how good of a season Sanu is having now that Gruden is gone. The Bengals never really developed a 2nd WR while Gruden was there. Jones was decent in 2013, but alot of his stats came from 1 huge game.

So I think it's more with how Gruden's scheme works for WRs than anything. In this era of passing offenses, it shouldn't be hard ot have 2 WRs with good numbers. Yet Garcon seems to have disappeared this season. If anything, I thought it would be Jackson that struggled this season.

 
So Eli had a great game against the Redskins the first time around, but he definitely benefitted from field position set up by Cousins interceptions.

Knowing what you guys know about the Redskins, for FF purposes, would you start Eli or Tom Brady against the Dolphins? Brady struggled against the Dolphins opening day and NE seems to have a better running game now with Blount.

 
So Eli had a great game against the Redskins the first time around, but he definitely benefitted from field position set up by Cousins interceptions.

Knowing what you guys know about the Redskins, for FF purposes, would you start Eli or Tom Brady against the Dolphins? Brady struggled against the Dolphins opening day and NE seems to have a better running game now with Blount.
Historically Eil hasn't really been that great against the Redskins. This a very bad defense but I don't think I'd have full confidence in Manning.

 
Next year, salary cap roster moves we should make.

Cut ties with Bowen, Hall, Chester, Porter, and Hayward. They're all older veterans and won't help us compete long term. We have little to no chance of competing in the next 2 seasons so we should try to rebuild with younger players through the draft and FA.

Cutting those 5 players saves us 15.5 million in cap space, and if the cap goes up by at least 10 million (much more is expected by the NFLPA) then the Redskins will have ~$33 Million to work with. They'll also save some money from future seasons as well. None of these players have played significantly better than players that can be plugged in at lower salaries. We'd be well advised to follow the path that the Browns, Jags, and Raiders are (hear me out). They jettisoned high cost players and rebuilt through the draft. They are poised to be better than the Redskins in the next 2-3 years, which is horrible to think about. The Raiders made some boneheaded moves letting go certain solid players and picking up players that were over the hill (Woodley and Tuck) but they have started to find a base of talented players to build around (Mack, Carr, Murray). The Jags likewise have a base to build around (Bortles, 3 young WRs, and an improving Defense). The teams obviously still have major holes as evidenced by their records, but they show 100% more promise than the Skins do.

Get rid of these older players, don't trade up in the draft (if anything trade back unless a solid blue-chip player is available), scour the practice squads of the league for talent (Like Arizona picking RBs and DEs from other teams), and sign young/solid players. We don't need a bunch of stars in Washington right now, we're too far away from competing for that to matter. We need solid players under 25 signed to long term contracts, preferably on the Defensive and Offensive line.

Do I think the Skins will do any of this? Perhaps, but probably not all. If we stay the course we have for the last 10 years we'll let some vets go and replace them with equally poorly chosen veterans. Then we'll draft players with lots of potential that for some reason don't work out. It has hurt a lot to not have our last 2 first round picks, but that's in the past and we, as a franchise, have to move on.

 
Next year, salary cap roster moves we should make.

Cut ties with Bowen, Hall, Chester, Porter, and Hayward. They're all older veterans and won't help us compete long term. We have little to no chance of competing in the next 2 seasons so we should try to rebuild with younger players through the draft and FA.

Cutting those 5 players saves us 15.5 million in cap space, and if the cap goes up by at least 10 million (much more is expected by the NFLPA) then the Redskins will have ~$33 Million to work with. They'll also save some money from future seasons as well. None of these players have played significantly better than players that can be plugged in at lower salaries. We'd be well advised to follow the path that the Browns, Jags, and Raiders are (hear me out). They jettisoned high cost players and rebuilt through the draft. They are poised to be better than the Redskins in the next 2-3 years, which is horrible to think about. The Raiders made some boneheaded moves letting go certain solid players and picking up players that were over the hill (Woodley and Tuck) but they have started to find a base of talented players to build around (Mack, Carr, Murray). The Jags likewise have a base to build around (Bortles, 3 young WRs, and an improving Defense). The teams obviously still have major holes as evidenced by their records, but they show 100% more promise than the Skins do.

Get rid of these older players, don't trade up in the draft (if anything trade back unless a solid blue-chip player is available), scour the practice squads of the league for talent (Like Arizona picking RBs and DEs from other teams), and sign young/solid players. We don't need a bunch of stars in Washington right now, we're too far away from competing for that to matter. We need solid players under 25 signed to long term contracts, preferably on the Defensive and Offensive line.

Do I think the Skins will do any of this? Perhaps, but probably not all. If we stay the course we have for the last 10 years we'll let some vets go and replace them with equally poorly chosen veterans. Then we'll draft players with lots of potential that for some reason don't work out. It has hurt a lot to not have our last 2 first round picks, but that's in the past and we, as a franchise, have to move on.
They could release everyone that you listed but if they don't make some serious changes does anyone think Allen/Snyder can pick the right players? Does anyone think Gruden can coach up those players?

 
Next year, salary cap roster moves we should make.

Cut ties with Bowen, Hall, Chester, Porter, and Hayward. They're all older veterans and won't help us compete long term. We have little to no chance of competing in the next 2 seasons so we should try to rebuild with younger players through the draft and FA.

Cutting those 5 players saves us 15.5 million in cap space, and if the cap goes up by at least 10 million (much more is expected by the NFLPA) then the Redskins will have ~$33 Million to work with. They'll also save some money from future seasons as well. None of these players have played significantly better than players that can be plugged in at lower salaries. We'd be well advised to follow the path that the Browns, Jags, and Raiders are (hear me out). They jettisoned high cost players and rebuilt through the draft. They are poised to be better than the Redskins in the next 2-3 years, which is horrible to think about. The Raiders made some boneheaded moves letting go certain solid players and picking up players that were over the hill (Woodley and Tuck) but they have started to find a base of talented players to build around (Mack, Carr, Murray). The Jags likewise have a base to build around (Bortles, 3 young WRs, and an improving Defense). The teams obviously still have major holes as evidenced by their records, but they show 100% more promise than the Skins do.

Get rid of these older players, don't trade up in the draft (if anything trade back unless a solid blue-chip player is available), scour the practice squads of the league for talent (Like Arizona picking RBs and DEs from other teams), and sign young/solid players. We don't need a bunch of stars in Washington right now, we're too far away from competing for that to matter. We need solid players under 25 signed to long term contracts, preferably on the Defensive and Offensive line.

Do I think the Skins will do any of this? Perhaps, but probably not all. If we stay the course we have for the last 10 years we'll let some vets go and replace them with equally poorly chosen veterans. Then we'll draft players with lots of potential that for some reason don't work out. It has hurt a lot to not have our last 2 first round picks, but that's in the past and we, as a franchise, have to move on.
They could release everyone that you listed but if they don't make some serious changes does anyone think Allen/Snyder can pick the right players? Does anyone think Gruden can coach up those players?
No and No.

The first change this team needs to make is fire Allen and fire Gruden. Those 2 haven't shown they deserve to keep going with this franchise. If those 2 are both here or even if 1 is here next year, I have no faith that this team will be any different than this season.

 
Do I think the Skins will do any of this? Perhaps, but probably not all.
I just can't imagine them admitting they need to completely tear things down and start fresh. And even if they did admit that's what they need to do, they wouldn't openly say it and I don't think they'd be willing to follow through with it. They always try to do something to claim "We can win now" to the fans. It sounds like Bill Cowher rumors are starting to swirl again and that may be the only move Snyder has right now to be able to market 2015. And since I don't see that happening, I can't imagine what Snyder will be able to pull off.

Several years ago, I said we may look back on Gibbs 2.0 as the "glory years" of the Snyder era. I was somewhat joking at the time, but it's more and more likely as time passes.

 
It took Jim Zorn 2 years to get this bad. Gruden did it in 1.

Oh, by the way. There's a game this weekend against the Giants. I heard some announcer say that the 2 defenses were so bad that there might be a record number of points scored. When you look at the Redskins scoring numbers this year, it's hard to picture that happening.

Let's see how many TD's are scored by Giants TE's.
One thing I know. I have the Giants defense and I am starting them this weekend.
Wise move. The Giants defense has 21 turnovers this year. 6 of them came in the Redskins game.

 
Next year, salary cap roster moves we should make.

Cut ties with Bowen, Hall, Chester, Porter, and Hayward. They're all older veterans and won't help us compete long term. We have little to no chance of competing in the next 2 seasons so we should try to rebuild with younger players through the draft and FA.

Cutting those 5 players saves us 15.5 million in cap space, and if the cap goes up by at least 10 million (much more is expected by the NFLPA) then the Redskins will have ~$33 Million to work with. They'll also save some money from future seasons as well. None of these players have played significantly better than players that can be plugged in at lower salaries. We'd be well advised to follow the path that the Browns, Jags, and Raiders are (hear me out). They jettisoned high cost players and rebuilt through the draft. They are poised to be better than the Redskins in the next 2-3 years, which is horrible to think about. The Raiders made some boneheaded moves letting go certain solid players and picking up players that were over the hill (Woodley and Tuck) but they have started to find a base of talented players to build around (Mack, Carr, Murray). The Jags likewise have a base to build around (Bortles, 3 young WRs, and an improving Defense). The teams obviously still have major holes as evidenced by their records, but they show 100% more promise than the Skins do.

Get rid of these older players, don't trade up in the draft (if anything trade back unless a solid blue-chip player is available), scour the practice squads of the league for talent (Like Arizona picking RBs and DEs from other teams), and sign young/solid players. We don't need a bunch of stars in Washington right now, we're too far away from competing for that to matter. We need solid players under 25 signed to long term contracts, preferably on the Defensive and Offensive line.

Do I think the Skins will do any of this? Perhaps, but probably not all. If we stay the course we have for the last 10 years we'll let some vets go and replace them with equally poorly chosen veterans. Then we'll draft players with lots of potential that for some reason don't work out. It has hurt a lot to not have our last 2 first round picks, but that's in the past and we, as a franchise, have to move on.
I agree with much of what you wrote but I really don't agree about DeAngelo Hall. The guy has been one of their best defensive players, isn't paid a lot, is great in the locker room. He's better than every CB on the roster except possibly Breeland, and maybe Amerson in the future if Amerson gets back to the steady progress he had been making. Our DB play this year would not have had nearly as many communication failures and busted coverages if Hall had been playing.

Sure, he's older and will be coming back from injury. But watching how the CB's have played this year makes it obvious he was missed, and he's earned a shot for next year.

 
Bruce Allen made some questionable moves the past off season. This one is under the radar of many, but it really did not make much sense.
Lots of questionable offseason moves.

Re-signing Moss. Sure it was a cheap deal, but why waste the roster spot on a guy that doesn't see the field very often? It's not like we were a vet WR away. Especially after we added Roberts and Jackson and drafted Grant.

Bringing Hankerson back. Why? Dude has been injured constantly and has never really produced here. Had a couple decent games his rookie season but that's been it. Again, with the WRs we have here, what was the reason for keeping him? Or even bringing him back after injury? Has he even seen the field since he's been back?

Aldrick Robinson. Sensing a theme here. Why the need for all these WRs? Robinson's one trick was useless once we brought in Jackson. Robinson is a poor man's Jackson. Why keep him around? Another one that barely played until he was cut,

Keeping Bowen. Like you said, guys coming off microfacture surgery have a tough time ahead. Older guys have it even harder. So why bring him back? Another guy that was injured most of the season and don't really remember him making much of an impact since he's been healthy.

Keeping Chester. Once we drafted Long, I thought Chester was gone. It's not like Chester has been that good over the last couple seasons. I understand the need for OL depth, but why not bring in younger/cheaper guys that could probably produce similar results.

Not addessing safety. The biggest need was safety in the offseason. We brought in Ryan Clark. He's been extremely disappointing and was never really anything other than a stop gap. We thought he'd help the young guys Rambo and Thomas. Well we cut Rambo and Thomas has been bouncing around from the PS to wherever else. So why bring in a vet to teach the young guys and then cut the young guys?

Franchising Orakpo. Maybe hindsight is 20/20 here, but I was never a huge fan of the move. It was $11M guaranteed that ate into valuable cap space. Him getting hurt yet again this season just makes it look even worse. Especially since we franchised him then a couple months later drafted his replacement. Why franchise him then? Or why draft Murphy so early? Didn't make sense then and looks even worse now.

The only offseason move this team made that has helped in any way was signing Jackson and that just happened to fall right into their laps. For Bruce's first "real" season as GM, he made some really terrible moves that didn't help this team at all.
I am ok with bringing Hankerson and Robinson back. Jay Gruden was brought in develop the offensive players. So bringing back young guys and letting Gruden trying to develop them makes sense. Had we known that Gruden can't develop any players, then it really does not matter who you have on the roster.

I am starting to question the Jackson signing. Garcon is a good wide receiver and plenty serviceable. But with Jackson on the rosters, Garcon is more of a run blocking WR. It seems like Jackson with Garcon is too much of a good thing. They can only get the ball to one of them. Of course, maybe there is a problem with the offensive scheme. Detroit has no problems getting the ball to both Calvin Johnson and Golden Tate.
Bringing in a talent like Jackson at a reasonable price was a good move. It's the coach's job to figure out how he's supposed to gel with the rest of the offense. Just another example of Gruden's failure.
Well stated. There's no reason why both receivers couldn't be productive, but Garcon just looks lost in that offense. Some of that is on Gruden, but Garcon can't seem to get separation anymore.

 
I think some of the what Gruden has done can be questioned and looked at with a dubious eye. In fairness, it is hard to judge him and with what he has to work with in many different areas.

1) DC/Haz can't coach a lick, so absolutely no DEF support to give a team a chance at running their offense or staying competitive in a game.

2) Special teams was one of worst last year, so no dramatic turnaround was going to happen and team is on losing end of playing the field position game.

3) OL is pure putrid, horrible, plain ol turrible

4) No depth through out roster, so injuries just compound the matter. (DHall was major blow for this team)

5) QB play has not been consistent and just poor in general. One could list this position as putird, horrible and plain ol turrible too!

6) Many times forced from strength from our offensive game (running the ball) bcuz we are always behind. Not always, but most times...although Gruden struggles to run it regardless.

7) Front office spent money in FA and only one pick up (DJax) has produced as a starter. Rest appear to be either a waste of $$$ or overpriced for what they produce.

8) Front Office and Owner are meddling and inept at providing him with true support to coach this team.

Look there are plenty more to add and I'm not saying Gruden is crispy clean, but I think many being a bit to harsh on him considering what he inherited and what he's had to deal with in his FIRST year as a Head Coach. I think a little perspective is needed, opposed to an emotional blasting response. He is going to have to fix the blasting players publicly, unless he starts to blast himself and his coaches equally. If not, keep the specifics in house will have to be big lesson to take into next year.

 
Next year, salary cap roster moves we should make.

Cut ties with Bowen, Hall, Chester, Porter, and Hayward. They're all older veterans and won't help us compete long term. We have little to no chance of competing in the next 2 seasons so we should try to rebuild with younger players through the draft and FA.

Cutting those 5 players saves us 15.5 million in cap space, and if the cap goes up by at least 10 million (much more is expected by the NFLPA) then the Redskins will have ~$33 Million to work with. They'll also save some money from future seasons as well. None of these players have played significantly better than players that can be plugged in at lower salaries. We'd be well advised to follow the path that the Browns, Jags, and Raiders are (hear me out). They jettisoned high cost players and rebuilt through the draft. They are poised to be better than the Redskins in the next 2-3 years, which is horrible to think about. The Raiders made some boneheaded moves letting go certain solid players and picking up players that were over the hill (Woodley and Tuck) but they have started to find a base of talented players to build around (Mack, Carr, Murray). The Jags likewise have a base to build around (Bortles, 3 young WRs, and an improving Defense). The teams obviously still have major holes as evidenced by their records, but they show 100% more promise than the Skins do.

Get rid of these older players, don't trade up in the draft (if anything trade back unless a solid blue-chip player is available), scour the practice squads of the league for talent (Like Arizona picking RBs and DEs from other teams), and sign young/solid players. We don't need a bunch of stars in Washington right now, we're too far away from competing for that to matter. We need solid players under 25 signed to long term contracts, preferably on the Defensive and Offensive line.

Do I think the Skins will do any of this? Perhaps, but probably not all. If we stay the course we have for the last 10 years we'll let some vets go and replace them with equally poorly chosen veterans. Then we'll draft players with lots of potential that for some reason don't work out. It has hurt a lot to not have our last 2 first round picks, but that's in the past and we, as a franchise, have to move on.
I agree with much of what you wrote but I really don't agree about DeAngelo Hall. The guy has been one of their best defensive players, isn't paid a lot, is great in the locker room. He's better than every CB on the roster except possibly Breeland, and maybe Amerson in the future if Amerson gets back to the steady progress he had been making. Our DB play this year would not have had nearly as many communication failures and busted coverages if Hall had been playing.

Sure, he's older and will be coming back from injury. But watching how the CB's have played this year makes it obvious he was missed, and he's earned a shot for next year.
Hall has been really good, but I seriously question how a CB comes back from an Achilles tear. And an older CB at that.

 
Bruce Allen made some questionable moves the past off season. This one is under the radar of many, but it really did not make much sense.
Lots of questionable offseason moves.

Re-signing Moss. Sure it was a cheap deal, but why waste the roster spot on a guy that doesn't see the field very often? It's not like we were a vet WR away. Especially after we added Roberts and Jackson and drafted Grant.

Bringing Hankerson back. Why? Dude has been injured constantly and has never really produced here. Had a couple decent games his rookie season but that's been it. Again, with the WRs we have here, what was the reason for keeping him? Or even bringing him back after injury? Has he even seen the field since he's been back?

Aldrick Robinson. Sensing a theme here. Why the need for all these WRs? Robinson's one trick was useless once we brought in Jackson. Robinson is a poor man's Jackson. Why keep him around? Another one that barely played until he was cut,

Keeping Bowen. Like you said, guys coming off microfacture surgery have a tough time ahead. Older guys have it even harder. So why bring him back? Another guy that was injured most of the season and don't really remember him making much of an impact since he's been healthy.

Keeping Chester. Once we drafted Long, I thought Chester was gone. It's not like Chester has been that good over the last couple seasons. I understand the need for OL depth, but why not bring in younger/cheaper guys that could probably produce similar results.

Not addessing safety. The biggest need was safety in the offseason. We brought in Ryan Clark. He's been extremely disappointing and was never really anything other than a stop gap. We thought he'd help the young guys Rambo and Thomas. Well we cut Rambo and Thomas has been bouncing around from the PS to wherever else. So why bring in a vet to teach the young guys and then cut the young guys?

Franchising Orakpo. Maybe hindsight is 20/20 here, but I was never a huge fan of the move. It was $11M guaranteed that ate into valuable cap space. Him getting hurt yet again this season just makes it look even worse. Especially since we franchised him then a couple months later drafted his replacement. Why franchise him then? Or why draft Murphy so early? Didn't make sense then and looks even worse now.

The only offseason move this team made that has helped in any way was signing Jackson and that just happened to fall right into their laps. For Bruce's first "real" season as GM, he made some really terrible moves that didn't help this team at all.
I am ok with bringing Hankerson and Robinson back. Jay Gruden was brought in develop the offensive players. So bringing back young guys and letting Gruden trying to develop them makes sense. Had we known that Gruden can't develop any players, then it really does not matter who you have on the roster.

I am starting to question the Jackson signing. Garcon is a good wide receiver and plenty serviceable. But with Jackson on the rosters, Garcon is more of a run blocking WR. It seems like Jackson with Garcon is too much of a good thing. They can only get the ball to one of them. Of course, maybe there is a problem with the offensive scheme. Detroit has no problems getting the ball to both Calvin Johnson and Golden Tate.
Bringing in a talent like Jackson at a reasonable price was a good move. It's the coach's job to figure out how he's supposed to gel with the rest of the offense. Just another example of Gruden's failure.
Well stated. There's no reason why both receivers couldn't be productive, but Garcon just looks lost in that offense. Some of that is on Gruden, but Garcon can't seem to get separation anymore.
Not sure his heart is in being here anymore either. I think he is playing the "i'm the red headed step child of the family" card and checked out...sometime ago.

 
I think Garcon is behind some of the problems on this team. He's been very vocal about his dislike in Robert. Then when he threw that pass in the Bucs game aferwards he said, "Is this what we've come to?". Think he's unhappy here and just isn't putting in the effort.

 
Garcon needs to tow the line. RG3 made him the NFL leading receiver at one point. If he didn't want to share the ball with DJax, he shouldn't have took him clubbing that night they hosted him. :cool:

 
I think some of the what Gruden has done can be questioned and looked at with a dubious eye. In fairness, it is hard to judge him and with what he has to work with in many different areas.

1) DC/Haz can't coach a lick, so absolutely no DEF support to give a team a chance at running their offense or staying competitive in a game.

2) Special teams was one of worst last year, so no dramatic turnaround was going to happen and team is on losing end of playing the field position game.

3) OL is pure putrid, horrible, plain ol turrible

4) No depth through out roster, so injuries just compound the matter. (DHall was major blow for this team)

5) QB play has not been consistent and just poor in general. One could list this position as putird, horrible and plain ol turrible too!

6) Many times forced from strength from our offensive game (running the ball) bcuz we are always behind. Not always, but most times...although Gruden struggles to run it regardless.

7) Front office spent money in FA and only one pick up (DJax) has produced as a starter. Rest appear to be either a waste of $$$ or overpriced for what they produce.

8) Front Office and Owner are meddling and inept at providing him with true support to coach this team.

Look there are plenty more to add and I'm not saying Gruden is crispy clean, but I think many being a bit to harsh on him considering what he inherited and what he's had to deal with in his FIRST year as a Head Coach. I think a little perspective is needed, opposed to an emotional blasting response. He is going to have to fix the blasting players publicly, unless he starts to blast himself and his coaches equally. If not, keep the specifics in house will have to be big lesson to take into next year.
I will take the other position.

Football is the ultimate team sport where good coaching and getting everyone playing together can bring results pretty quickly. Look at the Arizona Cardinals. They have been decimated with injuries. And yet, they keep winning. And this is with a 2nd year head coach.

In 2012, the Eagles were losing games left and right. They hire Chip Kelley. They also change from a 4-3 to a 3-4 defense, which we heard takes a couple of years to implement. Kelley goes 10-6 his first year and is likely to win the division this year. And their defense has scored a ton of TDs.

My points are:

1. Get everyone on the same page (players, coaches, front office) and coach them well. You can do a lot better than 3-13 with marginal talent in the NFL.

2. Last year, the Redskins had one of the top rushing teams with most of the same players including the OL. That was with the same marginal talent. Did these players lose their ability or is coaching and offensive scheme playing a role in this?

3. Head coaches aren't given 2 or 3 years to find their way, grow into the job, etc. They need to be ready to hit the ground running in year 1. And so far, I just don't see it with Jay Gruden.

 
What's funny is other teams have had success with not only rookie HCs, but 1st year HCs recently.

Going back during Sndyer's tenure, the coaches with the best 1st year record are Marty and....Zorn. Both went 8-8 their 1st season. Marty as everyone knows, was fired after his 1st season and Zorn followed up 8-8 with a 5-11 season.

How come other teams can succeed in year 1 but not us? Harbaugh went to the NFCCG with the 49ers his first season. Chip Kelly won the divsion last year in his 1st season. Chuck Pagano/Bruce Arians led the Colts to the playoffs their first year. Arians won 10 games his 1st season. Jim Harbaugh and Mike Smith took their teams to the playoffs in their 1st seasons. So why does our 1st year HC have us at 3-10?

 
Zorn followed up 8-8 with a 5-11 season.
I think we may look back at the Zorn era as the good old days.

At one point I was going to post the Gruden era feels a lot like the Zorn era without the 6-2 start. But I am not sure Gruden could go 7-17 in 1 1/2 seasons, which is what Zorn did after his fast start.

 
Don't overthink it. Snyder is not going to eat $20m of a coaches contract unless Gruden accepts a buy out of some kind. Something around $8m I could see. But not $20m.

- Gruden will be back.

- Allen will be back, although if Allen wants to preserve his role as Team President for a long, long time he could hire a new GM.

- Haslett is probably gone even if he is friends with Gruden and Allen. The PR hit of keeping him would turn off the few remaining fans.

- Cousins will be back to compete for starting job.

- McCoy is questionable.

- RG3 is gone if they can do it smartly.

Several other moves are obvious...

Outright cuts:

Bowen - saves $5.5m in cap space

Porter - saves $2.8m in cap space

Others are questionable:

Garcon - saves $5.3m in cap space in 2015 and $8m in 2016 - doubtful cut this year. I still like him but think he may be trade bait.

Cofield - saves $4.1m in cap space and another $6m in 2016. Lots of dead money. Who the hell signed him to this deal? He sucks.

Possible restructuring:

Kerrigan - last year of deal - Would he even restructure? He stands to get a nice contract with another good season. He'll likely play out the season for $7.5m and be a franchise tag candidate.

Williams - last year of deal - Would he restructure? I sense not. He seems tired of DC. So he'll likely play out next season for $13m.

Chester- saves $4.0m in cap space to cut him, so the team has the upper hand here. He has few options. I think he'll get restructured for $1.5m - $2.5m per year for 4 years.

Even if the cap stays as is, we're $20m under + $8m more under with the likely cuts. That's $28m minimum in cap space. We can really shore up the secondary and OL through free agency and the draft.

The biggest question still comes at the most important position. There are no good FA QBs. The guys available early in the draft are so reminiscent of RG3 that I can't see them being picked. There's a good chance Cousins, McCoy and a mid-level FA signing (like Tyrod Taylor) are fighting it out for this job next year.

 
Rumor now is AJ Smith will be GM and Allen President in 2015.
He's definitely an ##### but he did a good job picking talent in San Diego.
And then a better job losing it all. He is a piece of ####. Players routinely cited him personally for reasons they left when they could. He had 1 and a 1/2 good drafts and it got to his head. He let Welker, Brees, Sproles, Turner (those are off the top of my head) for free. Not in trades. Just let them walk. All because he is an arrogant son of a ##### that no one wants to play for.

Please no.

 
Marvelous said:
RGIII HTTR said:
I think some of the what Gruden has done can be questioned and looked at with a dubious eye. In fairness, it is hard to judge him and with what he has to work with in many different areas.

1) DC/Haz can't coach a lick, so absolutely no DEF support to give a team a chance at running their offense or staying competitive in a game.

2) Special teams was one of worst last year, so no dramatic turnaround was going to happen and team is on losing end of playing the field position game.

3) OL is pure putrid, horrible, plain ol turrible

4) No depth through out roster, so injuries just compound the matter. (DHall was major blow for this team)

5) QB play has not been consistent and just poor in general. One could list this position as putird, horrible and plain ol turrible too!

6) Many times forced from strength from our offensive game (running the ball) bcuz we are always behind. Not always, but most times...although Gruden struggles to run it regardless.

7) Front office spent money in FA and only one pick up (DJax) has produced as a starter. Rest appear to be either a waste of $$$ or overpriced for what they produce.

8) Front Office and Owner are meddling and inept at providing him with true support to coach this team.

Look there are plenty more to add and I'm not saying Gruden is crispy clean, but I think many being a bit to harsh on him considering what he inherited and what he's had to deal with in his FIRST year as a Head Coach. I think a little perspective is needed, opposed to an emotional blasting response. He is going to have to fix the blasting players publicly, unless he starts to blast himself and his coaches equally. If not, keep the specifics in house will have to be big lesson to take into next year.
I will take the other position.

Football is the ultimate team sport where good coaching and getting everyone playing together can bring results pretty quickly. Look at the Arizona Cardinals. They have been decimated with injuries. And yet, they keep winning. And this is with a 2nd year head coach. Comparing Redskins to Arizona is like Apples to Oranges...ARZ at least has been drafting depth and has multi talented players through out their roster, but again it shows what a team can over come when the front office places talent on the roster without it all be just starters.

In 2012, the Eagles were losing games left and right. They hire Chip Kelley. They also change from a 4-3 to a 3-4 defense, which we heard takes a couple of years to implement. Kelley goes 10-6 his first year and is likely to win the division this year. And their defense has scored a ton of TDs. Apples to Oranges...Philly also has at least has been drafting depth and has multi-talented players through out their roster. Easier to do, but is concerning that 'Skins have had 5 years to implement switch to 3-4 and we are still nowhere near having the right personnel for it. Again, crappy front office really hurting us.

My points are:

1. Get everyone on the same page (players, coaches, front office) and coach them well. You can do a lot better than 3-13 with marginal talent in the NFL. A team can overcome having a bad defense or a bad QB, but cannot overcome both. We get both of them being bad and a special teams as the cherry on top. Team and organization is seriously showing its flaws this season, no patchwork will help.

2. Last year, the Redskins had one of the top rushing teams with most of the same players including the OL. That was with the same marginal talent. Did these players lose their ability or is coaching and offensive scheme playing a role in this? QB play is worse than ever, so it is a combo of how other teams are playing us and poor play calling. When you are playing from behind, it does limit the ability to run the ball over n over when defenses don't fear your passing game.

3. Head coaches aren't given 2 or 3 years to find their way, grow into the job, etc. They need to be ready to hit the ground running in year 1. And so far, I just don't see it with Jay Gruden. Again, he's not innocent and has much to learn given the evidence of how this season has gone. I think he's been handcuffed to a degree and that is what my post was originally pointing out. There is plenty of other things on this team/organization that are going on that would hinder any new coach here.
 
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http://grantland.com/the-triangle/daniel-snyder-washington-redskins/

Sorry if it's been posted already.

Cliffs

Snyder is the worst owner in sports

We are looking at possibly 30-40 years or misery

75% of fans would likely support Snyder moving the team to LA as long as the Washington area was promised an expansion team in 3 years

Fans could organize and try to force Snyder to sell the team

All hope is not lost and Snyder is capable of learning from his mistakes

It's possible if this team isn't turned around in 10 years Snyder could sell the team

 

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