***Official*** Washington Redskins 2014 Thread (In-Season) (1 Viewer)

[fatness]

Did anyone else notice how many times Colt McCoy said "for one reason or another" in his presser? That phrase is getting as contagious as losing.

 

[Marvelous]

Colt McCoy had a zone read play where he kept the ball and ran with it.

Griffin had no zone reads the whole time he was in the game. Why not? I thought that was a strength of his.

 

[thayman]

Colt McCoy had a zone read play where he kept the ball and ran with it.

Griffin had no zone reads the whole time he was in the game. Why not? I thought that was a strength of his.

Jay Gruden would like to answer your question, but sorry the coaching staff doesn't report to work till Monday morning.

 

[Hang 10]

Is there any kind of argument to keep Gruden that doesn't involve saying you shouldn't fire a coach after only one season? Because I was going to try and play devil's advocate but I got nothing.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Colt McCoy had a zone read play where he kept the ball and ran with it.

Griffin had no zone reads the whole time he was in the game. Why not? I thought that was a strength of his.

Because we had no 3rd QB active and they didn't want to risk Griffin also getting hurt with no backup, pretty obvious.

What we CAN #### on is their decision to not have Cousins active when McCoy's neck was inevitably re-injured.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Is there any kind of argument to keep Gruden that doesn't involve saying you shouldn't fire a coach after only one season? Because I was going to try and play devil's advocate but I got nothing.

Absolutely not. The only reason NOT to do it, is because of the perception if you do it. Which is no reason at all.

 

[fatness]

Is there any kind of argument to keep Gruden that doesn't involve saying you shouldn't fire a coach after only one season? Because I was going to try and play devil's advocate but I got nothing.

Absolutely not. The only reason NOT to do it, is because of the perception if you do it. Which is no reason at all.

Will Bruce Allen want to admit he failed in choosing his first coach here? Only if he thinks it'll save his (Allen's) job.

There's no football reason to keep Allen, Gruden, or Haslett.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Is there any kind of argument to keep Gruden that doesn't involve saying you shouldn't fire a coach after only one season? Because I was going to try and play devil's advocate but I got nothing.

Absolutely not. The only reason NOT to do it, is because of the perception if you do it. Which is no reason at all.

Will Bruce Allen want to admit he failed in choosing his first coach here? Only if he thinks it'll save his (Allen's) job.

There's no football reason to keep Allen, Gruden, or Haslett.

I'm hoping it spells the end of Allen as well. Snyder needs a scapegoat if he's going to fire a HC after one year.

 

[fatness]

One of the worst teams ever on third and long.

list

 

[Hang 10]

Is there any kind of argument to keep Gruden that doesn't involve saying you shouldn't fire a coach after only one season? Because I was going to try and play devil's advocate but I got nothing.

Absolutely not. The only reason NOT to do it, is because of the perception if you do it. Which is no reason at all.

Will Bruce Allen want to admit he failed in choosing his first coach here? Only if he thinks it'll save his (Allen's) job.

There's no football reason to keep Allen, Gruden, or Haslett.

Yeah, Bruce is really the key here. Would Snyder let him throw 20 million dollars down the rat hole for Gruden and try again? He shouldn't. Snyder should fire them both.

 

[CR69]

Colt McCoy had a zone read play where he kept the ball and ran with it.

Griffin had no zone reads the whole time he was in the game. Why not? I thought that was a strength of his.

It really seems like he's going out of his way to make Griffin look bad.

Anyone watch the press conference?

 

[Marvelous]

Is there any kind of argument to keep Gruden that doesn't involve saying you shouldn't fire a coach after only one season? Because I was going to try and play devil's advocate but I got nothing.

His last name is Gruden. That is one qualification that has not changed since he was hired.

 

[fatness]

Dan Steinberg's Best and Worst are usually pretty funny.

Worst timeout management: The Redskins took a timeout before a fourth down in the third quarter. The Redskins then failed to convert. So the timeout was lost in vain. The timeout’s relatives can’t be very pleased about that. Poor timeout. We will remember you anyhow.

 

[HittinHard]

Dynamite time,only one safe is Dannyboy.

 

[Hang 10]

So if the Redskins fire Gruden that's 20 million dollars down the tubes, right? But I wonder how much it's worth to organization to bring back a coach that's become toxic to the fan base.

You bring Gruden back and he wants to start the year with Colt or sign Hoyer or some garbage... How many dollars do the Redskins lose when home attendance looks like last weeks Rams game?

 

[dgreen]

So if the Redskins fire Gruden that's 20 million dollars down the tubes, right? But I wonder how much it's worth to organization to bring back a coach that's become toxic to the fan base.

You bring Gruden back and he wants to start the year with Colt or sign Hoyer or some garbage... How many dollars do the Redskins lose when home attendance looks like last weeks Rams game?

A few years ago, I would have said that we're still many years away from a possible black out scenario. Now I'm not so sure.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

So if the Redskins fire Gruden that's 20 million dollars down the tubes, right? But I wonder how much it's worth to organization to bring back a coach that's become toxic to the fan base.

You bring Gruden back and he wants to start the year with Colt or sign Hoyer or some garbage... How many dollars do the Redskins lose when home attendance looks like last weeks Rams game?

Nah, we'll just draft Jameis Winston. No worries though, we'll still have a horrible OL. I'm not sure where you get the toxic part from though as Gruden is not even mentioned in articles and on radio as toxic. LOL, only real "Toxic" talk is done here and by a few opinionated regular joe's on twitter.

 

[MattFancy]

What a piss poor coaching job in that game on both sides of the ball.

On defense, how in the world did we not double Beckham? You know he's the only WR Eli has been looking for over the last few weeks so why are we leaving him in single coverage? Especially after he was consistently beating Breeland. How did we let 1 guy beat us? Pretty sure like all of Eli's passing yards were to Beckham. Just horrible adjustments by the defense.

On offense, what the hell happened in the 2nd half? Seemed like whatever we did that worked in the 1st half, we just stopped doing in the 2nd. Where was Alf again? Why do we ALWAYS get away from the running game? How does he only have 14 carries in a game that was never really out of hand until mid 4th quarter? Why did we stop rolling RG3 out? He looked so much better than it past weeks when he was throwing on the move. Just terrible play calling in the 2nd half on offense.

This game proved the coaches need to go. We were out coached in every aspect. Even Special Teams. How did you not figure they would try and onsides kick to start the half when they were kicking off from our side of the field? Anyone with half a football mind saw that one coming from a mile away. And Gruden just fails to even try to put RG3 in spots to succeed. In his postgame presser he was talking about how we can't roll out every play, well then come up with something that works because that was the only thing that worked. Wilson throws on the move all the time so don't give me that BS Jay.

And then, do we have the worst team doctors in the league? How in the hell does Colt get cleared to play and leave after taking 1 hit and it wasn't even a bad hit. There is no reason he should have been allowed to play. Is Gruden that big of an idiot to let him play? And why wasn't Cousins active? If you know there was a possibility Colt wasn't going to make it through the game, why not have all 3 QBs ready and active? We were 1 bad hit on RG3 away from seeing Darrel Young or Andre Roberts play QB in an actual NFL game. Just terrible coaching decisions.

 

[fatness]

And then, do we have the worst team doctors in the league? How in the hell does Colt get cleared to play and leave after taking 1 hit and it wasn't even a bad hit. There is no reason he should have been allowed to play. Is Gruden that big of an idiot to let him play?

This is what bothers me most of all. I hate losing, I think Griffin should be playing, I think they should run more, etc., but those are just in-game things.

They started a ####### quarterback with a ####### neck injury, who clearly wasn't OK at the beginning of the game and whose neck got further hurt early in the game. They're risking his health, seriously, just to keep from starting another player. And the coach is talking about starting him again next week.

His ####### neck is injured. You don't do that to people.

 

[fatness]

Jason Reed just took apart Bruce Allen and called for him to lose his job. Like or dislike Reed, he's pretty correct in his analysis of Allen's performance.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/the-man-who-caused-redskins-problems-cant-be-the-one-tasked-with-solving-them/2014/12/14/40ab206e-83d5-11e4-9534-f79a23c40e6c_story.html

In his first offseason with roster control, Allen has made so many missteps that there’s no telling how long it could take to untangle his dunderheaded moves. His failure to address glaring holes and identify others has resulted in a roster that could be years away from merely being competitive, a team official recently acknowledged. The organization has never appeared more lost — and that’s saying a lot.

Allen’s fingerprints are all over the mess. More than 20 players on the roster must be jettisoned before next season, people in the organization say. Problem is, Allen is incapable of providing Coach Jay Gruden with better ones. Allen already proved that while botching the previous offseason.

Allen’s biggest problem is that, unlike the game’s top talent-evaluators, he apparently sees only a bunch of names and numbers when he studies the roster.

 

[MattFancy]

And then, do we have the worst team doctors in the league? How in the hell does Colt get cleared to play and leave after taking 1 hit and it wasn't even a bad hit. There is no reason he should have been allowed to play. Is Gruden that big of an idiot to let him play?

This is what bothers me most of all. I hate losing, I think Griffin should be playing, I think they should run more, etc., but those are just in-game things.

They started a ####### quarterback with a ####### neck injury, who clearly wasn't OK at the beginning of the game and whose neck got further hurt early in the game. They're risking his health, seriously, just to keep from starting another player. And the coach is talking about starting him again next week.

His ####### neck is injured. You don't do that to people.

Oh yeah, Gruden risked McCoy's career in a meaningless game in a lost season. Who does that? A coach who has an agenda to prove, that's who.

 

[Milkman]

This team is so ridiculous.

 

[VA703]

taking all my jerseys to goodwill maybe a homeless person will use it

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Redksins would have the 6th draft pick as it stands now. 5 teams are worse than us? Seriously?

On the bright side, if we were in the NFC South we'd still have a chance at making the playoffs

 

[MattFancy]

Redksins would have the 6th draft pick as it stands now. 5 teams are worse than us? Seriously?

On the bright side, if we were in the NFC South we'd still have a chance at making the playoffs

Thought we had the 5th pick as it stands now?

Right now the order is:

Tampa

Oakland

Jacksonville

Tennessee

Washington

 

[southeastjerome]

In other news, Bacari Rambo had 2 picks today for the Bills vs. Aaron Rodgers.

SMH

It is beyond me how he was not roasted by Aaron Rodgers.

 

[Milkman]

Redksins would have the 6th draft pick as it stands now. 5 teams are worse than us? Seriously?

On the bright side, if we were in the NFC South we'd still have a chance at making the playoffs

Thought we had the 5th pick as it stands now?

Right now the order is:

Tampa

Oakland

Jacksonville

Tennessee

Washington

We need to get ahead of Tennessee so we can trade down with a team that needs a QB.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

I have changed my stance after yesterday. Gruden, Haslett, and Allen are all goners. Some rather humorous (in retrospect) quotes from an article in June http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/redskins-hire-jay-gruden-as-new-head-coach-010914

''We HAVE to get it right,'' said Allen, who led the search and interviewed six candidates. ''We need to get the franchise back on track in a winning direction. ... We were looking for a new leader, somebody who can inspire our football team. We knew it was more than just X and Os, it was about finding the right person to build a team chemistry that we needed.''

Gruden praised the talents of Griffin and spoke of the need to build a ''genuine'' trust with the quarterback, who regressed this season after winning the AP's Offensive Rookie of the Year award in 2012.

''I see every trait that a quarterback has to have to be successful, I see Robert having all of those,'' Gruden said. ''So why wouldn't you want to coach a guy like that? ... I'm going to let him know that I'm a trustworthy guy. He's also got to understand that I expect a lot from the starting quarterback. I expect him to come in and prepare and work hard, and I expect him to take the blame on some throws. I expect him to be a great leader.''

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Redksins would have the 6th draft pick as it stands now. 5 teams are worse than us? Seriously?

On the bright side, if we were in the NFC South we'd still have a chance at making the playoffs

Thought we had the 5th pick as it stands now?

Right now the order is:

Tampa

Oakland

Jacksonville

Tennessee

Washington

Jets...I think are 5.

 

[Hang 10]

Redksins would have the 6th draft pick as it stands now. 5 teams are worse than us? Seriously?

On the bright side, if we were in the NFC South we'd still have a chance at making the playoffs

Thought we had the 5th pick as it stands now?

Right now the order is:

Tampa

Oakland

Jacksonville

Tennessee

Washington

Jets...I think are 5.

Jets won yesterday and have a stronger strength of schedule.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

An article in Jan 2014 in why the Redskins should NOT hire Jay Gruden... you will see some familiar trends. Sorry about the blue text. Couldn't figure out how to get rid of the links

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1913816-washington-redskins-shouldnt-hire-jay-gruden

The Washington Redskins would be making a mistake if they hire Jay Gruden as their next head coach. The Cincinnati Bengals offensive coordinator is emerging as a favorite to succeed Mike Shanahan, but like Shanahan, his reputation has been inflated. Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports predicts that Gruden has the inside track to be the next Redskins boss. La Canfora cites Gruden's relationship with general manager Bruce Allen, who worked with Jay's older brother, Jon, for both the Oakland Raiders and Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

That familiarity is seen as a deciding factor. So is the younger Gruden's work with Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton. But this is where the argument in favor of Gruden starts to come off the rails. Under Gruden's tutelage, Dalton has led the Bengals to three straight playoff appearances, but that stat is only surface deep.

Dalton has lost all three playoff games and his performances in them have been horrible. Supporters of Gruden will stress that he has taken Dalton as far as the young quarterback will ever go, but that is too easy a conclusion to draw.Part of the blame for Dalton's postseason meltdowns has to belong to his play-caller. If Gruden is going to take the credit for Dalton's numbers in the regular season, he has to bear the criticism for Dalton's follies in the playoffs. That was never more evident than in Dalton's most recent failure, the 27-10 home loss to the San Diego Chargers in the AFC wild-card round. Put simply, Gruden was thoroughly outcoached by San Diego defensive coordinator John Pagano. All it took was a few fire-zone blitzes to completely wreck the Cincinnati offense. Forget any numbers that might suggest to the contrary, your own eyes will tell you Dalton has major issues against the blitz. Pagano knew it and used a host of pressures to force mistakes, something confidently predicted by this writer. The disturbing thing was how Gruden failed to adjust to what the Chargers were doing.

If you look at that game, you will see that Pagano sent frequent pressure with the same three-deep, three-under coverage behind it. That pattern began in the first quarter, meaning Gruden had almost the entire game to adjust to it. Even worse, San Diego's blitzes created the most problems in the second half. The halftime intermission is a good opportunity for NFL coordinators to add tweaks and wrinkles to a game plan in order to counter or exploit the opposition's tactics. But instead, Dalton continued to wilt under the blitz after the break. He was guilty of three costly turnovers in the second half, as Gruden failed to adjust and protect his young quarterback. Gruden's approach to the game was very worrisome. He abandoned the run early, despite a bright start from BenJarvus Green-Ellis. Green-Ellis had tormented the Chargers in a Week 13 road win for Cincinnati, but Gruden gave him just eight carries in the playoffs.

Gruden also seemed baffled by the Chargers decision to double-cover premier wide receiver A.J. Green. Isn't that what most teams try to do to Green? With his primary means of attacking defenses taken away, Gruden looked lost. That is the exact the way things went for Robert Griffin III and the Washington offense in 2013. Allen banking on Gruden's ability to improve Griffin is a very, very dangerous gamble. For instance, where is Dalton's improvement and progress through three seasons? The end result has been the same, a dire performance and an inevitable defeat in the postseason. If you like to crunch numbers, consider that while Dalton's touchdown figures have gone up, his interception totals have risen as well.

More than mere analytics, Dalton's approach has stayed the same and become stale. It remains "bombs away to Green" and not much else. How is that different from Dalton's rookie season in 2011? Let's apply the brakes here because this isn't meant as a treatise on Dalton's failings. It is a critique of Gruden's limits as a play-caller. Coordinators, like the players they coach, have to be judged on progress. More than just numbers, that progress has to be measured in results and performances. For three seasons, Gruden's offense has faltered at the same stage of the playoffs. The Bengals have only been in the postseason mix because of the play of their defense, not Gruden's influence. Yet that hasn't stopped others from fueling the narrative that he will take over in D.C. NFL Media Insider Jeff Darlington believes Allen will appoint Gruden as Shanahan's successor.

Darlington is joined in that thinking by Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio, who tabbed Gruden as Allen's preferred choice in an interview with CSN Washington. There are better names on the still-growing list of candidates to replace Shanahan for Allen to consider. Maybe the focus ought to be a defensive-minded head coach who can fix that side of the ball and balance the team. San Francisco 49ers defensive boss Vic Fangio, who was recently added to the list by ESPN's Adam Schefter, would be a great hire. And please, can somebody give Allen the number of Arizona Cardinals defensive coordinator Todd Bowles?

But if the Redskins are intent on hiring an offensive coach to aid Griffin, there are better choices than Gruden. Why not consider Doug Pederson, who has done an excellent job with Alex Smith and the Kansas City Chiefs? Pederson's offense is creative, quarterback friendly and showed significant improvement as the season progressed. If not Pederson, then tempt offensive coordinator Adam Gase away from Peyton Manning and the Denver Broncos. He knows how to tailor systems to what his quarterback does best. If Allen and owner Dan Snyder want a quarterback-friendly coach to build a team around Griffin, then hire Pederson or Gase. Follow that up by appointing Wade Phillips as defensive coordinator. Opting for Gruden is too easy and smacks of lazy thinking. Just because his older brother proved to be a success, it doesn't automatically follow he will be the same. But more important than the family ties, Jay Gruden's work in Cincinnati doesn't stand up to close inspection. He is the wrong man to revive the Redskins.

 

[steelers1080]

The Skins are screwed. I don't see Snyder firing Allen, and therefore I'm not positive Allen fires Gruden. If Snyder never realizes that the common denominator of losing teams is him, and he never takes that step back, then I don't see this team going deep in the playoffs ever. If he eventually steps back and lets more knowledgable people take control, then we have a shot down the line.

This offseason we need a new GM, Coach/Staff, O-line, D-line, Secondary, and QB. I think RG3 can succeed with another team, but I don't think he can succeed with the pressure in Washington. I still like the guy even for all his failures since his rookie year. He's been the victim (somewhat) of Coaching errors and I'm still thankful that he won the division for us. That said, I don't see him winning back the Washington fanbase, especially not with the current coaching staff/offensive line.

 

[steelers1080]

Also, we should totally get Todd Bowles as our HC if he would take the job. He'll be a sought after commodity this offseason, I don't see why he'd want to go to the Redskins...

 

[Milkman]

People are lining up to coach the skins. #smh

 

[hammerva]

Redksins would have the 6th draft pick as it stands now. 5 teams are worse than us? Seriously?

On the bright side, if we were in the NFC South we'd still have a chance at making the playoffs

Thought we had the 5th pick as it stands now?

Right now the order is:

Tampa

Oakland

Jacksonville

Tennessee

Washington

Why should you worry about draft position. you know they are going to draft Jameis Winston and he would probably be available in the 2nd round much first 10 picks of the draft

 

[Milkman]

Yeah i was just thinking that kinda. It doesn't even matter if they do trade down because they'll just draft the wrong players anyway.

 

[MattFancy]

An article in Jan 2014 in why the Redskins should NOT hire Jay Gruden... you will see some familiar trends. Sorry about the blue text. Couldn't figure out how to get rid of the links

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1913816-washington-redskins-shouldnt-hire-jay-gruden

I posted this in here on Saturday. But, yup, every concern raised in that article is something this team is going through right now. How did Allen not see something like this coming? Oh it was because he hires all his buddies.

 

[MikeApf]

I think the Redskins have hit a new low. Seriously, this may be worse than the Vinnie Cerrato years, Heath Shuler, and Steve Spurrier. It's definitely worse than the Zorn years.

Trying to think of a worse time.

I just want Snyder to sell the team, but it's never going to happen. He is too stubborn. Therefore, we are left hoping and praying that he'll get a clue, but that's really not likely to tell you the truth.

At least I had the chance to see Redskins championships when I was younger...

 

[Sebowski]

The Skins are screwed. I don't see Snyder firing Allen, and therefore I'm not positive Allen fires Gruden. If Snyder never realizes that the common denominator of losing teams is him, and he never takes that step back, then I don't see this team going deep in the playoffs ever. If he eventually steps back and lets more knowledgable people take control, then we have a shot down the line.

So you think Snyder won't intervene and fire Allen, but you think he intervenes too much. Got it.

 

[MattFancy]

I think the Redskins have hit a new low. Seriously, this may be worse than the Vinnie Cerrato years, Heath Shuler, and Steve Spurrier. It's definitely worse than the Zorn years.

Trying to think of a worse time.

I just want Snyder to sell the team, but it's never going to happen. He is too stubborn. Therefore, we are left hoping and praying that he'll get a clue, but that's really not likely to tell you the truth.

At least I had the chance to see Redskins championships when I was younger...

Agreed. I don't think we've been at a lower point than this that I can remember.

For me, being the ever optimistic Skins fan, it has finally sunk in that this entire organization is just one big mess. We got a combined 8 years of coaching from Gibbs/Shanahan. One if the HoF, one probably going to get there. 5 combined Super Bowl rings. What did we end up getting out of them? 3 playoff apperances in 8 years. All 3 took 4+ game winning streaks at the end of the year to make the playoffs. Looking back, that should have been a sign of how bad this franchise is.

And looking around, what is there to salvage from this team? How many players do we have that we can build around? Trent, Morris, Garcon, Jackson, Reed, Kerrigan and Robinson is probably it. The sad thing, I don't think even any of them are under contract past 2015. So the guys we could use for the future, may not even want to be here. There's so many holes to fill that we could realisticly draft any position other than WR or RB in the 1st round and draft a need. That's pretty pathetic.

So where does the franchise go from here? I honestly don't know. I mean Snyder has to fire Allen, right? There's no way he can justify to the fans bringing him back. Same with Gruden. If Snyder wants to keep what is left of this fanbase, he HAS to make those moves. If not, I'd hate to see FedEx next season.

 

[Shutout]

Let Allen go.

Let Gruden go.

Hire Jim Harbaugh and Rex Ryan (if both are available and you can get Ryan in without the HC title).

Draft defense until your eyes bleed. Trade down and accumulate picks. Go into this thing with the idea that you are drafting the player...and the player that gives that player backup depth...and the player that gives that player backup depth.

Do those things and let Harbaugh lean on the ground game and the stick movers and become respectable next year and plan to ascend in the following years.

 

[Sebowski]

Harbaugh is stinking up the league right now. Why would anyone want him? What has he done at this level?

 

[dhockster]

taking all my jerseys to goodwill maybe a homeless person will use it

Isn't there a law about cruelty to the homeless?

 

[dhockster]

Sorry, guys, I had to come here today. I had to do something to get over the loss to the Cowboys last night. And....yup....I now don't feel so bad about my team.

Thanks, guys.

 

[steelers1080]

The Skins are screwed. I don't see Snyder firing Allen, and therefore I'm not positive Allen fires Gruden. If Snyder never realizes that the common denominator of losing teams is him, and he never takes that step back, then I don't see this team going deep in the playoffs ever. If he eventually steps back and lets more knowledgable people take control, then we have a shot down the line.

So you think Snyder won't intervene and fire Allen, but you think he intervenes too much. Got it.

He intervenes when it comes to signings/player matters the most. His FO management is horrible, but I mean leaving the team alone when it comes to intervening.

And yeah, if there's something that Snyder can do to help the team, I usually assume he won't do it...

 

[MattFancy]

Maybe we'll win Saturday since Gruden will still be doing his job?

 

[pablito]

Here is what the state of this Franchise has come to: I spent the afternoon yesterday in a sports bar on Capitol Hill. The place has 12 TVs.

NOT ONE OF THEM HAD THE REDSKINS GAME ON.

Just, wow.

 

[Don Quixote]

I still can't believe that Gruden did not know Moss was ejected until Siragusa told him coming out for the second half.

 

[MattFancy]

I still can't believe that Gruden did not know Moss was ejected until Siragusa told him coming out for the second half.

You're saying it isn't common for coaches not to know when their players get ejected from a game?

 

[packersfan]

So would it be out of line to suggest Gruden started an injured player (McCoy) mainly because he refuses to start Griffin and thereby put an injured player at risk merely to prove a point?