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***Official*** Washington Redskins 2014 Thread (In-Season) (1 Viewer)

As far as Griffin and Cousins, that'll sort itself out on the football field over the next weeks and months. The games will sort it out. I'm not too concerned about it, honestly. The games will sort it out.

And I think Philly beats the Skins by 20; I think they're that good. Their o-line is tremendous, and that leaves our defensive backfield exposed. I think they'll pressure Cousins who'll have numerous TD's and turnovers. The running game and somehow getting the d-line to stand up to Philly's o-line is the only hope for a win.

 
Best part was that Kirk did not know he was going to play, thus he just did his thing and had no expectations. We saw last year what Kirk was like once he knew he was starting...
Right after Griffin got hurt and Jackson got hurt (and Reed was already hurt) it struck me ---- the team is in adversity yet they're responding completely differently than they did to adversity under Shanahan last year. I think they like their coach.

I know they have some new players, some of them perhaps better. But they also have a new coach, a guy who's learning his way, who apparently levels with them, corrects them, teaches them, trusts them, and who doubted himself more than he doubted his players. So when the adversity hit they didn't miss any beats, kept playing hard, because behind them is a coach they want to win for. Last year they would have held on a bit and faded and lost a nailbiter to a bad team. Sunday they won big. Sure, Jacksonville is lousy. But last year they lost to teams like that.
Obviously, we don't know yet how good of a HC Gruden is gonna be. But the one thing I do like about him is the demeaner he displays. Like in the recent press conference when someone asked him who was gonna start at QB when Griff was healthy again, he just kind of looked at them and started laughing, as if to say, "yeah, like I'm going to bite on that one." Shanahan probably would have just scowled at them. I get the sense that Gruden is tough and no-nonesense underneath, but he's defintely more likelable on the surface, and you shouldn't underestimate the importance of that sometimes...

 
As far as Griffin and Cousins, that'll sort itself out on the football field over the next weeks and months. The games will sort it out. I'm not too concerned about it, honestly. The games will sort it out.

And I think Philly beats the Skins by 20; I think they're that good. Their o-line is tremendous, and that leaves our defensive backfield exposed. I think they'll pressure Cousins who'll have numerous TD's and turnovers. The running game and somehow getting the d-line to stand up to Philly's o-line is the only hope for a win.
To be sure, it will be sorted out later. And that's probably as it should be. Just weigh how each guy does on the field.

The problem is: Cousins is probably more ready right now, based on his college experience at Mich St. Griffin has always been seen as the one with more upside, and that is why you play him now even though he's not as "pocket ready." But how do you see if Griff is going to develop if Cousins keeps playing well? It may all be moot, Cousins has a murderers row coming up vs. Philly and then Seattle in two weeks. If he lays an egg in those two games, this whole conversation is different.

The Washington Redskins: another year, another season of drama.

 
Best part was that Kirk did not know he was going to play, thus he just did his thing and had no expectations. We saw last year what Kirk was like once he knew he was starting...
Right after Griffin got hurt and Jackson got hurt (and Reed was already hurt) it struck me ---- the team is in adversity yet they're responding completely differently than they did to adversity under Shanahan last year. I think they like their coach.

I know they have some new players, some of them perhaps better. But they also have a new coach, a guy who's learning his way, who apparently levels with them, corrects them, teaches them, trusts them, and who doubted himself more than he doubted his players. So when the adversity hit they didn't miss any beats, kept playing hard, because behind them is a coach they want to win for. Last year they would have held on a bit and faded and lost a nailbiter to a bad team. Sunday they won big. Sure, Jacksonville is lousy. But last year they lost to teams like that.
Very good points and I think there is a lot of truth to what you are saying too. My point was more specific to Kirk though in that he didn't have time to be nervous or over think it, it was a spur of the moment thing for him to fill in. This is similar to how he reacted last year when he had to spot duty fill in for RG3. At least in the past, Kirk's problem was bound to when he knew he was going to play. That is when I saw a different Kirk...the one where everyone said "see he's not better." I'm not worried about the Eagles preparing for him or any other team, I'm worried about Kirk's preparing and not letting it happen naturally. Kirk knows he has a window to show why he should be a starter in the NFL and my fear that is the crux of the problem (at least it looked that way last year).

 
As far as Griffin and Cousins, that'll sort itself out on the football field over the next weeks and months. The games will sort it out. I'm not too concerned about it, honestly. The games will sort it out.

And I think Philly beats the Skins by 20; I think they're that good. Their o-line is tremendous, and that leaves our defensive backfield exposed. I think they'll pressure Cousins who'll have numerous TD's and turnovers. The running game and somehow getting the d-line to stand up to Philly's o-line is the only hope for a win.
Eagles O-Line is banged up. Down to the backup LG and third string RT. With the way the RT played in last nights game, I would think that pressure from that side will get through enough to disrupt Foles a bit. The Eagles will counter with a bunch of screens to that side and sweeps to the left to try and slow down the rush from there.

How are the WAS LBs in coverage? Ertz could have a big game if they aren't good.

 
And I think Philly beats the Skins by 20; I think they're that good. Their o-line is tremendous, and that leaves our defensive backfield exposed. I think they'll pressure Cousins who'll have numerous TD's and turnovers. The running game and somehow getting the d-line to stand up to Philly's o-line is the only hope for a win.
In both games Philly has started out very slow and looked out of sorts in first half of the games. If that trend continues, Redskins will have to POUNCE on that opportunity. Odd to say, but I feel Eagles have to beat badly in 1st half to win it. They have shown to have some real fireworks in the second half on offense, so getting a substantial lead has to happen. Their defense is nothing to write home about, especially considering the injuries to their LB corps. That lack of depth at LB could provide Alf, teh rest of RBs and the TEs the ability to win it for the 'Skins. Redskins keeping composure will be a key for any chance to win.

 
As far as Griffin and Cousins, that'll sort itself out on the football field over the next weeks and months. The games will sort it out. I'm not too concerned about it, honestly. The games will sort it out.

And I think Philly beats the Skins by 20; I think they're that good. Their o-line is tremendous, and that leaves our defensive backfield exposed. I think they'll pressure Cousins who'll have numerous TD's and turnovers. The running game and somehow getting the d-line to stand up to Philly's o-line is the only hope for a win.
How are the WAS LBs in coverage? Ertz could have a big game if they aren't good.
Perry and Robinson would end up covering Ertz and they are average to above average. Depending on who, they can be subject having a big play happen on them though. Jbz said it, I think a real concern will be Sproles...he could be serious factor. Redskins are known for giving up at least one huge play a game these days, so be prepared for that to happen at any given time.

 
As far as Griffin and Cousins, that'll sort itself out on the football field over the next weeks and months. The games will sort it out. I'm not too concerned about it, honestly. The games will sort it out.

And I think Philly beats the Skins by 20; I think they're that good. Their o-line is tremendous, and that leaves our defensive backfield exposed. I think they'll pressure Cousins who'll have numerous TD's and turnovers. The running game and somehow getting the d-line to stand up to Philly's o-line is the only hope for a win.
To be sure, it will be sorted out later. And that's probably as it should be. Just weigh how each guy does on the field.

The problem is: Cousins is probably more ready right now, based on his college experience at Mich St.
Not to be difficult, but that's clearly wrong. Look at their performances the last 2 seasons. Look at the stats. Look at the won-loss record. Griffin has outperformed Cousins.

People get sucked in by Cousins looking decisive and looking comfortable in the pocket. All that's nice but it isn't what matters. What matters is making the right throws, and not making the wrong throws, and so far in his career Cousins has been at a Grossman level. Whether he progresses beyond that will take time to see. But watch the 3 games he started last year and you'll know exactly what I'm talking about.

 
Very good points and I think there is a lot of truth to what you are saying too. My point was more specific to Kirk though in that he didn't have time to be nervous or over think it, it was a spur of the moment thing for him to fill in. This is similar to how he reacted last year when he had to spot duty fill in for RG3. At least in the past, Kirk's problem was bound to when he knew he was going to play. That is when I saw a different Kirk...the one where everyone said "see he's not better."
OK, I see what you mean now about Cousins. Yeah, I have to agree, that's the way he's looked so far. We'll see in the next weeks if he's gotten past that.

 
fatness said:
Snotbubbles said:
How are the WAS LBs in coverage? Ertz could have a big game if they aren't good.
The ILB's are decent-to-good. The OLB's are outright miserable in coverage.
Expect lots of throws to McCoy/Sproles in the flats and down the sidelines

 
Rambo got cut, but Trenton Robinson is still on the team. I don't know if that means he's any good, or "well at least he's not Rambo". Has any Redskin ever tackled worse than Rambo?

 
Rambo got cut, but Trenton Robinson is still on the team. I don't know if that means he's any good, or "well at least he's not Rambo". Has any Redskin ever tackled worse than Rambo?
Good question. I remember Stanley Richard being particularly awful. I couldnt stand him. The fact that he was a top 10 pick in the draft and at one time considered good, even had a nickname- The Sheriff--makes him even worse than Rambo in my book.

But yeah, I don't know if there has ever truly been a worse tackler than Rambo.

 
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Rambo got cut, but Trenton Robinson is still on the team. I don't know if that means he's any good, or "well at least he's not Rambo". Has any Redskin ever tackled worse than Rambo?
Good question. I remember Stanley Richard being particularly awful. I couldnt stand him. The fact that he was a top 10 pick in the draft and at one time considered good, even had a nickname- The Sheriff--makes him even worse than Rambo in my book.

But yeah, I don't know if there has ever truly been a worse tackler than Rambo.
His tackling was not really the main issue, it was his poor angles that wouldn't even allow him to get a chance to tackle. Now we can see why Rambo fell in the draft as much as he did, right? Regardless, it was time to move on...I'm someone else will blow a coverage or take a wrong angle now....

 
It just hit me that Rambo is responsible for the only two TDs given up by the defense through 8 quarters. Outside of those two misplays, the defense has only surrendered two FGs. The D has been really good. Hopefully they can do a decent job in Philly. McCoy and Sproles scare me.

 
It just hit me that Rambo is responsible for the only two TDs given up by the defense through 8 quarters. Outside of those two misplays, the defense has only surrendered two FGs. The D has been really good. Hopefully they can do a decent job in Philly. McCoy and Sproles scare me.
Also if Rambo doesn't give up that catch to Lewis, the Jags are held under 100yds of offense

 
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It just hit me that Rambo is responsible for the only two TDs given up by the defense through 8 quarters. Outside of those two misplays, the defense has only surrendered two FGs. The D has been really good. Hopefully they can do a decent job in Philly. McCoy and Sproles scare me.
Also if Rambo doesn't give up those 2 plays, we could have potentially held 2 teams to under 100yds of offense.
Those two plays account for 30% of all the yards they've given up so far (139 of 469 yards).

 
Not completely accurate as a great deal of that "sunk cost" is in their fanbase goodwill. That goodwill translates into ticket, jersey sales and higher ratings. Putting in Cousins is going to piss off a large portion of the DC market fanbase greatly. Especially after being sold and hyped on Griffin for the past 3 years.

 
Anyone familiar with Washington's cap situation? What are Washingtons options from a contract perspective?
Both QB's contract are up after next season. RGIII's cap number next year is about $6.7 million and Cousins is about $800,000. I am sure that the team can sign Griffin to a team option 5th year (2016) if they so choose but I don't know what the $ for that would be. They just have to see how this season plays out, how both players play, and then make a decision as to who they want to go with in 2015. They probably won't know who they want to go with long-term until they are into the 2015 season.

The cap does not really impact their decision on QB longterm

 
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MikeApf said:
Not completely accurate as a great deal of that "sunk cost" is in their fanbase goodwill. That goodwill translates into ticket, jersey sales and higher ratings. Putting in Cousins is going to piss off a large portion of the DC market fanbase greatly. Especially after being sold and hyped on Griffin for the past 3 years.
The other part that is missing from the article is that a lot of decision making after these big deals is predicated on someone (e.g. Snyder, Allen) not wanting to be admit that they might have made a mistake. I believe you find that dynamic a lot. Not saying getting Griff was a mistake, but the point is: you have to look at the motivating factors of all parties involved, and winning is not the only motivation.

No, the article is not completely accurate. But it is an interesting way to look at the situation...

 
Gruden said Griffin will wear a cast for 10 days and then be reevaluated. I believe after that, recovery time is 4-6 weeks. So, in full, likely 6-8 weeks off.

 
It just hit me that Rambo is responsible for the only two TDs given up by the defense through 8 quarters. Outside of those two misplays, the defense has only surrendered two FGs. The D has been really good. Hopefully they can do a decent job in Philly. McCoy and Sproles scare me.
Also if Rambo doesn't give up those 2 plays, we could have potentially held 2 teams to under 100yds of offense.
Those two plays account for 30% of all the yards they've given up so far (139 of 469 yards).
Rambo's a difference maker!

 
Gruden said Griffin will wear a cast for 10 days and then be reevaluated. I believe after that, recovery time is 4-6 weeks. So, in full, likely 6-8 weeks off.
I read 8 weeks minimum. If the evaluation is good and if the rehab goes good.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2014/09/17/griffin-will-wear-cast-for-10-days-then-have-re-evaluation/

Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III will wear the cast on his dislocated left ankle for roughly 10 days and then will have it re-evaluated, with the hope of then proceeding to around a month and a half of rehabilitation, Coach Jay Gruden said.
I just assume he's gone for the season. Anything earlier than that will surprise me.

 
Gruden said Griffin will wear a cast for 10 days and then be reevaluated. I believe after that, recovery time is 4-6 weeks. So, in full, likely 6-8 weeks off.
I read 8 weeks minimum. If the evaluation is good and if the rehab goes good.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2014/09/17/griffin-will-wear-cast-for-10-days-then-have-re-evaluation/

Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III will wear the cast on his dislocated left ankle for roughly 10 days and then will have it re-evaluated, with the hope of then proceeding to around a month and a half of rehabilitation, Coach Jay Gruden said.
I just assume he's gone for the season. Anything earlier than that will surprise me.
8 weeks gets them to the bye. They'll have played 9 games and have 7 remaining. I don't think he's gone for the season unless they are hiding something or something goes really wrong in the recovery.
 
Gruden said Griffin will wear a cast for 10 days and then be reevaluated. I believe after that, recovery time is 4-6 weeks. So, in full, likely 6-8 weeks off.
I read 8 weeks minimum. If the evaluation is good and if the rehab goes good.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2014/09/17/griffin-will-wear-cast-for-10-days-then-have-re-evaluation/

Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III will wear the cast on his dislocated left ankle for roughly 10 days and then will have it re-evaluated, with the hope of then proceeding to around a month and a half of rehabilitation, Coach Jay Gruden said.
I just assume he's gone for the season. Anything earlier than that will surprise me.
you have'nt seen rg3s new shirt i guess...

'all in for wk12'.

 
By week 12 or whenever, Washington has the option to play the "we're holding him out due to slow rehab and fear of re-injury" card.

This might be the only way for everyone to save face. Management can say they made the right decisions but for unpredictable injuries. Gruden gets his pocket passer. Fans have to chalk it up to bad luck.

 
It seems like people are taking for granted that Cousins will play well enough to earn the starting QB job. He's never done that before, so it's far from certain that it will happen. Look at his 3 starts last year. He basically crapped the bed.

Maybe he'll be better this year. Maybe not. I certainly hope he is; I want the Skins to win, QB controversy be damned. But I'm far less sure than a lot of people are that he will be.

 
By week 12 or whenever, Washington has the option to play the "we're holding him out due to slow rehab and fear of re-injury" card.

This might be the only way for everyone to save face. Management can say they made the right decisions but for unpredictable injuries. Gruden gets his pocket passer. Fans have to chalk it up to bad luck.
Wild card here is would Griffin go along with the story? I'm not sure he would tell people "he's not ready" if he felt in his heart he was ready. That wouldn't mean that Gruden would have to start him. But, it would force Gruden's hand to explain why he was starting one guy over the other.

 
It seems like people are taking for granted that Cousins will play well enough to earn the starting QB job. He's never done that before, so it's far from certain that it will happen. Look at his 3 starts last year. He basically crapped the bed.

Maybe he'll be better this year. Maybe not. I certainly hope he is; I want the Skins to win, QB controversy be damned. But I'm far less sure than a lot of people are that he will be.
For my part, I'm not assuming he'll play well enough to win the starting job. Looking forward to the next three games, we've got Philly, NYG and Seattle. Two of those games are likely to be really difficult and the third is not a gimme. Against Philly we'll likely have to throw a lot to keep pace with their offense, and that will put lots of pressure on him. And despite their performance against SD, Seattle is still a great Defense. I think honestly it's more likely that he doesn't just crush these opponents, so I do think we should reign in our expectations.

But, we should probably give him a chance and see what he can do. It's interesting that a lot of people are annointing him a savior. But, a lot of folks are also writing him off very quickly as well. Yeah, he sucked those three games. But, on the other hand, pretty consistently we say that we need to be patient with RGIII and give him a chance to learn to play as a pro -- and also that he suffered last year due to lack of reps -- and yet Cousins somehow sucks because he played those last 3 games when the team had basically given up -- without being given first team reps all year? Its just interesting, I think people on "both sides" tend to apply facts somewhat selectively to draw the conclusion they want to draw. In the end, we really just don't know how good or bad Cousins will be -- we just have to see what he does. Honestly, same thing with RGIII. Let it be seen on the field.

Following the Redskins is not for the feint of heart.

 
fatness said:
It seems like people are taking for granted that Cousins will play well enough to earn the starting QB job. He's never done that before, so it's far from certain that it will happen. Look at his 3 starts last year. He basically crapped the bed.

Maybe he'll be better this year. Maybe not. I certainly hope he is; I want the Skins to win, QB controversy be damned. But I'm far less sure than a lot of people are that he will be.
Agree 100% fatness. All the talking heads are making it seem like Cousins is ready to come in and light the league on fire. He's been good in spot duty, but the one time he's played consecutive games and teams have been able to see more tape on him, he's struggled. His yards, comp%, QB rating and INTs went up last year as he had more starts. You can argue the team around may not have been giving 100%, but we don't really know that for certain.

I just haven't see enough from Kirk yet to be certain he's going to take this job and run away with it. I could be dead wrong, but I just don't see it. There was a good article on Grantland on Monday that basically said Kirk is Mark Sanchez. I could buy that comparison. Sanchez had some good games, but then he had some WTF games, that's Kirk. Last year he looked great against Atlanta, but then struggled against Dallas and New York to end the season. It just depends which Kirk we get and how consistent he can play.

 
The Cousins Situation reminds me a little bit of Kevin Kolb in Philly. He filled in nicely for Donovan McNabb for a few games when McNabb got hurt, but he was still the back-up. Then when he was made the starter he didn't look so good. Cousins could be better than last year, though, because maybe Gruden's system fits him better than Shanahans did. As you guys know, Shanahan's coaching last year probably screwed up a lot of players.

 
This will be easy...if the Redskins are winning, they will keep Cousins in and use the giving RG3 more time to heal up (something even RG3 would agree with). If the Redskins are so-so or not winning, RG3 goes back in to get reps in Grudens offense. Pretty simple, no drama, no fuss, no hidden agenda...just smart football decisions.

 
This will be easy...if the Redskins are winning, they will keep Cousins in and use the giving RG3 more time to heal up (something even RG3 would agree with). If the Redskins are so-so or not winning, RG3 goes back in to get reps in Grudens offense. Pretty simple, no drama, no fuss, no hidden agenda...just smart football decisions.
Agreed. I think all the people saying it's Cousins job now are reaching a bit. He's going to have to play really well and the team is going to have to win some big games for him to take it for the rest of the year, IMO. And even if he does enough this year, there's no guarantee he beats out RG3 in a competition next TC and preseason. Only way that would happen is it we were to win the Super Bowl. It's WAY too early to write off RG3.

 
People are being very quick to create a QB controversy and declare Cousins ready to start. Remember, the Redskins best offer for him in the offseason was a 4th round draft pick. Obviously other teams don't think Cousins is ready to step in a be a fantastic starter.

The worst case scenario on the Griffin and Cousins draft is that the Redskins still do not have a QB of the future. If Cousins can step and be that good, that is awesome for the Redskins. If not, they still have a year and a half to figure out Griffin. Note that the worst case scenario became much more likely with Griffin's latest injury. That is where the Redskins are right now.

 
The most popular person around is the backup QB. In a couple of weeks, we will get used to Cousins starting. And people will start clamoring for Colt McCoy.

 
The most popular person around is the backup QB. In a couple of weeks, we will get used to Cousins starting. And people will start clamoring for Colt McCoy.
I hope not, the only reason people are even talking QB controversy here is that we've never had two QBs who people thought could start. I'd love nothing more than to see Cousins play well enough over the next 5 weeks so we can actually have that conversation.

 
Cousins statistically has a career track of Mark Sanchez. I am not expecting him to light the NFL on fire like many non-Redskins fans seem to think he will. If he does, great. But I'd still put my stock in RG3 being the Redskins QB next year.

 
I did not hear Chris Cooley much this week. But Cooley thought Shawn Lauvao could be on the verge of losing his starting position. He thought that Lauvao made a number of WTF plays and just looked lost. That is a pretty bad review when the team scores 41 points.

Last week, Cooley predicted that Rambo would be cut and he got that right.

 
I did not hear Chris Cooley much this week. But Cooley thought Shawn Lauvao could be on the verge of losing his starting position. He thought that Lauvao made a number of WTF plays and just looked lost. That is a pretty bad review when the team scores 41 points.
Did Cooley say who he thought would replace Lauvao?

 
fatness said:
Marvelous said:
I did not hear Chris Cooley much this week. But Cooley thought Shawn Lauvao could be on the verge of losing his starting position. He thought that Lauvao made a number of WTF plays and just looked lost. That is a pretty bad review when the team scores 41 points.
Did Cooley say who he thought would replace Lauvao?
No, but LeRibeus came in at the end of the game with Lauvao was injured.

 
Marhsall Fault just predicted 300+ rushing yds and 3 TDs for the Eagle's two backs today. Hope he's off there or this won't be a game.

 

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