***Official*** Washington Redskins 2014 Thread (In-Season) (2 Viewers)

[Marvelous]

Wash Post -

Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall tore his left Achilles’ tendon for the second time in five weeks, a person with knowledge of the situation confirmed. Hall had surgery to repair the tendon on Thursday.

Hall suffered the initial injury against the Philadelphia Eagles on Sept. 21, ending his 11th season in the NFL. He had surgery shortly after and had yet to begin rehab while still recovering.

Hall then re-injured himself at home.

The exact timeline for his recovery following the second surgery remains unclear. It is believed, however, that it could take another six to nine months for him to recover.

Hall, 30, had re-signed with Washington in the offseason, agreeing to a four-year, $17 million deal with $5.65 million guaranteed.

Ouch. That's rough.

Hall's base salary jumps significantly next year. Unless his rehab goes really, really well I'm wondering how likely it is he gets cut, or at least forced to restructure. Especially if the young guys keep showing promise.

How do injury settlements work, especially their impact on the cap?

If Amerson and Breeland can continue to grow, I don't see any way they bring back Hall for anything other than a vet minimum after this injury.

They'd save approximately 2.5 million in cap space if they cut him before next season. Around 2 million in dead money.

I think they just signed Hall to a new contract last off season.

And I think Achilles injuries will frequently cause a loss of speed. A double injury does not look good at all for Hall's career.

 

[MattFancy]

Damn tough news for DHall

 

[Don Quixote]

Should have had Pierre Garcon deliver Paisano's instead...

Brian McNally ‏@bmcnally14 3m3 minutes ag
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Not kidding: DeAngelo Hall was making a pizza in his kitchen and slipped. THAT is how he re-tore his repaired Achilles' tendon. I can't even

 

[dgreen]

I heard Dianna Russini on the radio (106.7) Wednesday. Her impression is that Griffin was physically cleared to play a couple weeks ago.

THEY'RE RUSHING HIM BACK!!!!!!!

I think it was three weeks ago @ Arizona that he was doing sprints pregame.

 

[Marvelous]

No one posted this yet. From PFT:

RG3: I’m not going to try to be a normal quarterbackPosted by Josh Alper on October 31, 2014, 12:14 PM EDT

With Robert Griffin III’s return to the starting quarterback job all but certain, the question for the Redskins will shift from when will Griffin return to what kind of quarterback he’ll be when he’s back in the lineup.

Ever since Griffin has joined the team, there has been a tug-of-war between those that think he needs to tone down his running for the sake of safety as he becomes a more “traditional” quarterback and those that think his best path to success is being the same type of quarterback he’s been throughout his career. That debate was in the spotlight this preseason as Griffin appeared to struggle while making the transition to head coach Jay Gruden’s offensive scheme, which called for him to run less than he did in the Shanahan years.

Griffin gave an interview to the team’s website, his first since Gruden said he’ll start on Sunday barring any setbacks, and shared some of his thoughts on the matter.

“I’m ready to go, ready to play, get back out there with the guys and have fun. That’s what it is,” Griffin said. “God didn’t put us on this earth to be normal. So I’m not gonna go out there and try to be a normal quarterback. I’m gonna go out there and be the quarterback he’s called me to be.”

Whether he’s a “normal” quarterback or not, the Redskins need to figure out if he’s the right quarterback for them over the long term. That’s why he’ll return to the starting lineup despite Colt McCoy handling things well the last two weeks and it will be the biggest question to answer over the second half of Washington’s season.

My interpretation: There have been a lot of indications that Griffin is the one who did not want to run or be a read option QB. If so, maybe Griffin's mindset has changed.

Griffin definitely needs to be better in the pocket. But he is a dynamic athlete. The offense needs to be designed to take advantage of all of his abilities.

 

[dgreen]

It will be interesting to see what happens Sunday and the coming weeks. Personally, I'll be happy to see some ZRO and even a couple designed QB runs. Seriously, I can't think of a more deadly short-yardage play than ZRO. I wonder how often that play fails to pick up positive yards?

Whether he’s a “normal” quarterback or not, the Redskins need to figure out if he’s the right quarterback for them over the long term. That’s why he’ll return to the starting lineup despite Colt McCoy handling things well the last two weeks and it will be the biggest question to answer over the second half of Washington’s season.

Now that's just funny. The reason he'll return is so they can figure out what they have? It's not because anyone could actually think he's the best QB on the roster and gives them the best chance to win?

 

[thayman]

Breeland hurt his knee in practice today. Questionable for Sunday

 

[MikeApf]

Should have had Pierre Garcon deliver Paisano's instead...

Brian McNally ‏@bmcnally14 3m3 minutes ag
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Not kidding: DeAngelo Hall was making a pizza in his kitchen and slipped. THAT is how he re-tore his repaired Achilles' tendon. I can't even

Well, Brian Griese tripped over his dog...

 

[MikeApf]

Breeland hurt his knee in practice today. Questionable for Sunday

Crap...we are already razor thin at corner. Does this mean that we'll see us some more E.J. "I'll make Teddy Bridgewater Look Like Joe Freakin Montana" Biggers?

 

[MattFancy]

Breeland hurt his knee in practice today. Questionable for Sunday

That's not good. Hopefully nothing serious

 

[dgreen]

Breeland hurt his knee in practice today. Questionable for Sunday

That's not good. Hopefully nothing serious

I hope they don't rush him back. No sense in letting him play this week with the bye coming up. Just let him have that extra time to heal. Have we learned nothing!

Yeah, I'm going to do this for EVERY injury for the next decade.

 

[thayman]

Breeland hurt his knee in practice today. Questionable for Sunday

That's not good. Hopefully nothing serious

I hope they don't rush him back. No sense in letting him play this week with the bye coming up. Just let him have that extra time to heal. Have we learned nothing!Yeah, I'm going to do this for EVERY injury for the next decade.

 

[Sebowski]

So the 2nd half of the last page is talking about Hall being expendable. Now the talk is that we are toast without Breeland. Ugh.

 

[thayman]

So the 2nd half of the last page is talking about Hall being expendable. Now the talk is that we are toast without Breeland. Ugh.

 

[dgreen]

@RobCarlinCSN: Here's how #Redskins have fared in 2nd half last 6 yrs:

2013 0-8

2012 7-1

2011 2-6

2010 2-6

2009 2-6

2008 2-6

#RedskinsTalk

 

[dgreen]

@john_keim: So Phillip Thomas not only will be on 53 man roster also sounds as if he'll be active Sunday.

 

[MikeApf]

So the 2nd half of the last page is talking about Hall being expendable. Now the talk is that we are toast without Breeland. Ugh.

This is not what we expected but it's certainly fair commentary. Breeland appears to be stepping up to be a legitimate starter. So Breeland's play has both made Hall somewhat expendable but also made us feel we don't want to lose him.

 

[MikeApf]

@john_keim: So Phillip Thomas not only will be on 53 man roster also sounds as if he'll be active Sunday.

Wow..that's a name I haven't heard for a while, At one point, he had a lot of promise. Let's see what he's got!

 

[MikeApf]

Redskins LCB Bashaud Breeland (questionable, knee) "moved around fine" in practice on Saturday.
Breeland suffered a knee injury during practice Friday. His MRI after practice came back clean, and he should be ready to go against the Vikings on Sunday. Breeland has been Washington's best corner the last two weeks. Nov 1 - 1:25 PM
Source: Mike Jones on Twitter

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/9585/bashaud-breeland

Could be big. I know we tend to think Breeland is nothing to get excited about, but you have to consider that it's either Breeland or Biggers. In that context, this is important.

 

[Sebowski]

So the 2nd half of the last page is talking about Hall being expendable. Now the talk is that we are toast without Breeland. Ugh.

This is not what we expected but it's certainly fair commentary. Breeland appears to be stepping up to be a legitimate starter. So Breeland's play has both made Hall somewhat expendable but also made us feel we don't want to lose him.

What excites me most about Breeland is that we might finally have someone to pair with Hall. The rest is good depth. You need more than 1 CB in this league.

 

[Sebowski]

Redskins LCB Bashaud Breeland (questionable, knee) "moved around fine" in practice on Saturday.
Breeland suffered a knee injury during practice Friday. His MRI after practice came back clean, and he should be ready to go against the Vikings on Sunday. Breeland has been Washington's best corner the last two weeks. Nov 1 - 1:25 PM
Source: Mike Jones on Twitter

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/9585/bashaud-breeland

Could be big. I know we tend to think Breeland is nothing to get excited about, but you have to consider that it's either Breeland or Biggers. In that context, this is important.

I think Breeland is worth getting very excited about.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

If any truth to this then we (as an organization) are in serious trouble. If coaches can't coach and Danny and his boy wonder are calling the shots of who plays and doesn't, get used to being 4-12 or 5 -11 for a loooooooooong time.

Via Rotoworld:

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the decision to start Robert Griffin III in Week 9 against the Vikings was "driven" by Redskins management, and not head coach Jay Gruden.
Citing "multiple members" of the organization, Schefter reports the decision to go away from Colt McCoy and back to Griffin "is an owner- and general-manager-driven decision." ESPN's Britt McHenry reported RG3 has "alienated" locker room, where teammates recently attempted to sabotage an interview with Griffin and the media. Predictably, the Redskins are denying everything in the story and insisting Gruden wants Griffin to start. There have been murmurs since early August that Gruden views RG3 as a misfit for his offense.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

If any truth to this then we (as an organization) are in serious trouble. If coaches can't coach and Danny and his boy wonder are calling the shots of who plays and doesn't, get used to being 4-12 or 5 -11 for a loooooooooong time.

Via Rotoworld:

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the decision to start Robert Griffin III in Week 9 against the Vikings was "driven" by Redskins management, and not head coach Jay Gruden.
Citing "multiple members" of the organization, Schefter reports the decision to go away from Colt McCoy and back to Griffin "is an owner- and general-manager-driven decision." ESPN's Britt McHenry reported RG3 has "alienated" locker room, where teammates recently attempted to sabotage an interview with Griffin and the media. Predictably, the Redskins are denying everything in the story and insisting Gruden wants Griffin to start. There have been murmurs since early August that Gruden views RG3 as a misfit for his offense.

Im extremely skeptical of this. just media stirring things up as always.

 

[hammerva]

I love hearing all these "just the media stirring things up as always" conspiracy theories. Did it really look like all of this crap last year with Shanny and Super Bob was just made up by the media?

 

[PinkydaPimp]

I love hearing all these "just the media stirring things up as always" conspiracy theories. Did it really look like all of this crap last year with Shanny and Super Bob was just made up by the media?

its the sad truth. the media loves stories like this. And especially with regard to RG3. It is what it is. Until i see more information from multiple trusted local beat reporters, i am going to be quite skeptical of this(as i generally am of any story). Just as i will at all the stories tonight that will pop up if the redskins lose that ask whether RG3 was rushed back. lol.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

If any truth to this then we (as an organization) are in serious trouble. If coaches can't coach and Danny and his boy wonder are calling the shots of who plays and doesn't, get used to being 4-12 or 5 -11 for a loooooooooong time.

Via Rotoworld:

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the decision to start Robert Griffin III in Week 9 against the Vikings was "driven" by Redskins management, and not head coach Jay Gruden.
Citing "multiple members" of the organization, Schefter reports the decision to go away from Colt McCoy and back to Griffin "is an owner- and general-manager-driven decision." ESPN's Britt McHenry reported RG3 has "alienated" locker room, where teammates recently attempted to sabotage an interview with Griffin and the media. Predictably, the Redskins are denying everything in the story and insisting Gruden wants Griffin to start. There have been murmurs since early August that Gruden views RG3 as a misfit for his offense.

Im extremely skeptical of this. just media stirring things up as always.

Yeah, several other media say it did not happen and the incident in locker room had nothing to do with RGIII, which is where this Britt girl is getting her stuff from. One thing is clear, DRAMA follows this organization everywhere regardless. I am not one that has ever been on this bandwagon, but realize that if there is always drama with this team then there is one common denominator or blame that has been there the entire time...DANIEL SNYDER. He may not be the actual source, but his way of running this organization is producing this atmosphere as it seems to follow from coach to coach and GM to GM (never really had a GM only boy wonder's, but you know what I mean).

 

[thayman]

I love hearing all these "just the media stirring things up as always" conspiracy theories. Did it really look like all of this crap last year with Shanny and Super Bob was just made up by the media?

its the sad truth. the media loves stories like this. And especially with regard to RG3. It is what it is. Until i see more information from multiple trusted local beat reporters, i am going to be quite skeptical of this(as i generally am of any story). Just as i will at all the stories tonight that will pop up if the redskins lose that ask whether RG3 was rushed back. lol.

I'll be more concerned if something else pops up. But then again I'm not desperately hoping the team will fail.

 

[hammerva]

I love hearing all these "just the media stirring things up as always" conspiracy theories. Did it really look like all of this crap last year with Shanny and Super Bob was just made up by the media?

its the sad truth. the media loves stories like this. And especially with regard to RG3. It is what it is. Until i see more information from multiple trusted local beat reporters, i am going to be quite skeptical of this(as i generally am of any story). Just as i will at all the stories tonight that will pop up if the redskins lose that ask whether RG3 was rushed back. lol.

Sorry but that got a from me Most of the local beat reporters either work for the Washington Redskins or are blind loyalist to the Skins because they want to be in Dan Synder's inner circle or incompetent idiots like Mike Wise

 

[PinkydaPimp]

LOL

https://twitter.com/keenanrobinson1/status/528925529446297601

Man next time Ima just take an @Uber to the game

 

[dgreen]

Approximately a 0% chance the Redskins would have hired Gruden if he wasn't committed to Griffin.

 

[thayman]

Redskins bus was in an a accident. Almost very bad from what was being talked about on 980. Silas Redd was banged up enough that he can't go today

 

[just_want_2_win]

Impact of accident on Redskins? Will their heads be in the game?

 

[fatness]

I was listening to sports talk on my way in this morning and people were saying how McCoy lead us to the biggest win in the last 12 years.

Someone was obviously in a coma in late 2012.

 

[fatness]

I was listening to sports talk on my way in this morning and people were saying how McCoy lead us to the biggest win in the last 12 years.

A lot of Packer fans are pretty damn stupid too but didn't these people learn anything from the whole Cousins thing?

Not at all. I've been a Redskin fan my whole life, but man we have some of the dumbest, uninformed, short-sighted fans in all of football.

Except for all of us, of course.

 

[fatness]

Wash Post -

Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall tore his left Achilles’ tendon for the second time in five weeks, a person with knowledge of the situation confirmed. Hall had surgery to repair the tendon on Thursday.

Hall suffered the initial injury against the Philadelphia Eagles on Sept. 21, ending his 11th season in the NFL. He had surgery shortly after and had yet to begin rehab while still recovering.

Hall then re-injured himself at home.

The exact timeline for his recovery following the second surgery remains unclear. It is believed, however, that it could take another six to nine months for him to recover.

Hall, 30, had re-signed with Washington in the offseason, agreeing to a four-year, $17 million deal with $5.65 million guaranteed.

Ouch. That's rough.

Hall's base salary jumps significantly next year. Unless his rehab goes really, really well I'm wondering how likely it is he gets cut, or at least forced to restructure. Especially if the young guys keep showing promise.

How do injury settlements work, especially their impact on the cap?

If Amerson and Breeland can continue to grow, I don't see any way they bring back Hall for anything other than a vet minimum after this injury.

Tracy Porter's employed for more than the vet minimum and nobody in Washington can prove on a Sunday that he even exists. Hall's miles better than Porter and should be brought back, if healthy, at more than the minimum. A team needs at least 4 good cornerbacks.

 

[fatness]

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the decision to start Robert Griffin III in Week 9 against the Vikings was "driven" by Redskins management, and not head coach Jay Gruden.
Citing "multiple members" of the organization, Schefter reports the decision to go away from Colt McCoy and back to Griffin "is an owner- and general-manager-driven decision." ESPN's Britt McHenry reported RG3 has "alienated" locker room, where teammates recently attempted to sabotage an interview with Griffin and the media. Predictably, the Redskins are denying everything in the story and insisting Gruden wants Griffin to start. There have been murmurs since early August that Gruden views RG3 as a misfit for his offense.

Schefter broke all those "anonymous" reports from Shanahan criticizing Griffin last year.

When it comes to Redskin coverage he's an absolute tool.

Mike: "Ok Adam, here's what I'm hearing this week from my sources"

Schefter: "What sources, Mike"

Mike: "I won a Super Bowl. Obviously I have sources"

Schefter: "OK Mike!"

 

[fatness]

There's a 50% chance they lay an egg today. We all know our history. Here's hoping for the other 50%

 

[thayman]

There's a 50% chance they lay an egg today. We all know our history. Here's hoping for the other 50%

 

[nittanylion]

I don't know what to say to you guys...I've brought a lot of 'off the beaten path' stuff to the table in the past that was ultimately proven to be accurate and true, and we all acknowledge that under the Snyder regime, there are multiple times every season that, indeed, 'truth is stranger than fiction'...

...I'm just saying, based on this, not to discount or ridicule the idea that the decision to start Griffin was influenced by the front office, and not entirely, if at all, the decision of the Coaching Staff.

Wrapping this up and getting it in before he takes his first snap, I'll return later to offer more structure and defend my position if I must, but on several levels, Griffin starting is not a sound football decision that a sound football mind would make.

Good luck today, Redskins.

 

[thayman]

I don't know what to say to you guys...I've brought a lot of 'off the beaten path' stuff to the table in the past that was ultimately proven to be accurate and true, and we all acknowledge that under the Snyder regime, there are multiple times every season that, indeed, 'truth is stranger than fiction'...

...I'm just saying, based on this, not to discount or ridicule the idea that the decision to start Griffin was influenced by the front office, and not entirely, if at all, the decision of the Coaching Staff.

Wrapping this up and getting it in before he takes his first snap, I'll return later to offer more structure and defend my position if I must, but on several levels, Griffin starting is not a sound football decision that a sound football mind would make.

Good luck today, Redskins.

I enjoy your posts and insight.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

ill admit... i almost had a heart attack during that first drive.

 

[fatness]

Egg laid.

This one falls squarely on the offensive and defensive playcalling.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

agreed. I thought all in all rg3 played well for his first game back. So at least there is that.

 

[Sebowski]

Approximately a 0% chance the Redskins would have hired Gruden if he wasn't committed to Griffin.

And 0% chance Gruden takes the job if he didn't want Griffin running his offense. He had multiple suitors.

 

[fatness]

chad dukes ‏@chaddukes 26m26 minutes ago

If you put up 26 on the road against a 3 win Minny, you should win. Griffin was not perfect, but this one is on the defense.

Chris Russell ‏@Russellmania980 44m44 minutes ago

Jay Gruden says Robert was a mixed bag...but was very disappointed by the defense. Says he can't believe lack of pressure

Rich Tandler ‏@Rich_TandlerCSN 49m49 minutes ago

The #Redskins have a lot of work to do. Need to protect the QB, find better DB’s and get rid of players who want to anonymously trash the QB

SuperSkin ‏@SuperSkin1 54m54 minutes ago

This team scored 26 points. Haslett allowed 29 with a defensive game plan completely different from last week. Do the math

HoldenKushner ‏@Holdenradio 56m56 minutes ago

This is what the #Redskins do. Tantalize the fan base. Dominate first half action. One play swings momentum. Another meltdown to a bad team.

Chad Lowe ‏@ichadlowe 1h1 hour ago

Does the #Redskins offensive line want RGIII to get seriously injured, again?

 

[fatness]

The only possible bright spot today is that Gruden is criticizing Haslett's defense.

“It bothers me,” Coach Jay Gruden fumed in his postgame news conference. “We had a lead. We got down. We came back to get the lead. We let them drive 80 yards to take the lead. We go back down to score and take the lead. We go down to take the lead and they come back again. Very, very, very sickening.”

Now if he'd just criticize (and change) his own playcalling the team would be better off.

The defense sucked major ### today. That's the greatest number of completely-uncovered receivers I've ever seen in one game. If the Skins were facing an experienced QB they would have given up over 50 points. Bridgewater's a rookie and struggles with deep passes, luckily for Washington. But Washington kept their own point total down as well, with stupid playcalling that had Griffin standing in the pocket all second half, with the O-line constantly being collapsed toward him. They'd run Morris and they'd take him right out to put Helu in to whiff on a block. Has an RB ever missed as many blocks as Helu has missed this year? I'd really like to know what Gruden sees out there, because it isn't what people watching the game are seeing.

 

[fatness]

Worst breakout: The Vikings hadn’t scored 20 points since September. They had averaged 12 points a game over their previous four outings. But with Washington in town, the Vikings more than doubled that mark.

Best breakout: Let me be the 4,000th person to say: The happiest Redskins player about Griffin’s return should probably be Alfred Morris. With the read-option threat back in the playbook, Morris carried 19 times for 92 yards, his highest total of the season. His previous high? Morris had 91 yards in the opener against Houston, the only previous game that Griffin completed.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/11/02/redskins-vikings-best-and-worst-3/

 

[fatness]

The Redskins are 3-6 for the fourth straight year.

 

[dgreen]

Once again, to my untrained eye, Haslett doesn't make in-game changes. Against Dallas, it was good that he didn't. His pregame plan was working and he stuck with it. But, in other games, he sticks with his plan even when it's not working. It's frustrating to watch them do the same thing over and over (again, to an untrained eye) and continue to get beat.

 

[dgreen]

If he hasn't been asked already, I hope Gruden is asked tomorrow about kneeling to end the first half. With 36 seconds and 2 timeouts, I find it inexcusable to take a knee.