GoBirds
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The screen to Helu has seemed to be unstoppable all season....should do that every play.
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***Official*** Washington Redskins 2014 Thread (In-Season) (1 Viewer)
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Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
That was Dan Snyder after a few scotches. First thing he's said right in 20 years.
VA703
Footballguy
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
MattFancy
Footballguy
It sounds like a reality. Some of the "insiders" on Twitter seem to be hinting at it. Hopefully it's not true, but if it is, I'm done watching Redskins games this year.
I will believe it when I see it. If he does start McCoy then it shows that Gruden has some stones and isn't afraid of what the boss will think.
Listen Colt McCoy isn't the answer for this team. But was Todd Collins the answer for the team when they had their fluke playoff run. And no the Skins aren't going to the playoff no matter how many times they will try to convince you on ESPN 980 this week.
Listen Colt McCoy isn't the answer for this team. But was Todd Collins the answer for the team when they had their fluke playoff run. And no the Skins aren't going to the playoff no matter how many times they will try to convince you on ESPN 980 this week.
MattFancy
Footballguy
That was different with Collins because Campbell got hurt and the team made a playoff run. Griffin isn't hurt and we aren't making the playoffs. Benching him basically means his time here is done.
Swing 51
Footballguy
I can't watch that San Fran game, gonna be ugly. I'm sure I'll watch at some point later in the season but this Sunday I'm going to the movies or something.
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
Yeah, he fumbled the one in a previous series. That is why we don't do that every play.
B-Deep
Footballguy
sounds like a rough presser
Andrew Siciliano @AndrewSiciliano 7m7 minutes ago
Jay Gruden says RGIII had "fundamental flaws." Footwork was "below average". Fairly harsh criticism.
Andrew Siciliano @AndrewSiciliano 1m1 minute ago
Jay Gruden isn't pulling punches. He just said RGIII needs to worry about himself and not everybody else.
Andrew Siciliano @AndrewSiciliano 7m7 minutes ago
Jay Gruden says RGIII had "fundamental flaws." Footwork was "below average". Fairly harsh criticism.
Andrew Siciliano @AndrewSiciliano 1m1 minute ago
Jay Gruden isn't pulling punches. He just said RGIII needs to worry about himself and not everybody else.
RGIII HTTR
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Jay: "Rob needs to worry about himself and no one else. It's my job to worry about the rest of the team. He needs to not elaborate as much".
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
Jay saying Rob had some fundamental flaws. Should of took 3 steps when he took 5. Took 1 step when he should have taken 3. Not moving up in the pocket when he should, moving when he doesn't need to...
fatness
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The word I saw on twitter was just unknown people citing unknown reports. When they actually linked something, what they linked had nothing to do with replacing Griffin. Basically it was a bunch of ####, circulated by 1)people who don't know any better and 2)people who don't like Griffin.
I just listened to Gruden's press conference and there's no thought of replacing Griffin.
But hey, what does Gruden know, because twitter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lod01
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The read option is a gimmick. Like all other gimmicks, it eventually fails. As The Tebow showed, you can beat incompetent teams but you will never win the SB. It would simply be a waste of time if the goal is to win the SB.
fatness
Footballguy
What has stopped it more than once this year is when Helu was supposed to chip block before heading out for the screen, Helu whiffed, and the QB got smashed or had to throw it away. In case anyone hasn't noticed Helu is a terrible blocker.
MattFancy
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fatness
Footballguy
The press conference was basically nothing. What you're seeing above is only some of what Gruden said about Griffin. He also said some complimentary stuff.
And basically Gruden said nothing's going to change on offense or defense, they have to play hard and eliminate mistakes, etc. etc. etc. same stuff he's said every week. Along with his usual "point out what this player did wrong, and deflect all questions critical of Haslett" crap. Nothing is changing.
He did say Morgan Moses played well.
And basically Gruden said nothing's going to change on offense or defense, they have to play hard and eliminate mistakes, etc. etc. etc. same stuff he's said every week. Along with his usual "point out what this player did wrong, and deflect all questions critical of Haslett" crap. Nothing is changing.
He did say Morgan Moses played well.
RGIII HTTR
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MattFancy
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fatness
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
I actually wonder if Trent Williams is going to want to risk Trent Williams. And I mean nothing against Trent by saying that. But this is a losing team, in disarray, with a rookie HC with no plan except "keep doing what we do" and "call out players", and it seems like the players are checking out. Williams isn't near the beginning of his career, his health matters, and it may matter more to him than playing injured in what might just be a clown show. In other words the injury may take a long time to heal.
fatness
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MattFancy
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I don't think he should play. Gruden said it'll be up to Trent and the trainers if he plays this week. Well he needs to rest up. He's been playing hurt all season. We need him long-term.
MattFancy
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And fatness I agree 100% with how Gruden handles things in the media. Why does he feel like he needs to call out a player every press conference? Last week it was Hatcher. This week RG3. Do that #### internally. I'm sure his calling out players publicly is going to wear thin on the locker room sooner rather than later. You don't see any other coaches doing that.
B-Deep
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IF RG3 is laying it out to the media the coach can send his message there as well. As Peter King pointed out, Gruden is the one in charge, not RG3
B-Deep
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
He's a young guy learning his job. A "work in progress" which seems to be a popular phrase around here. And he's making mistakes, as you can see by his team's performance on the field and by his own performance talking to the press.
But I don't think he needs to go. He just needs to learn his job, which to me would involve:
1. putting a team on the field that plays like an NFL team
2. managing his players better, which can't be done in public view. The players tune out and Gruden looks like a teenager blaming others for the results of his work
3. managing his coaches better, because at least some of them are doing a poor job. That can't be done publicly either, but has to be done.
4. figuring out his own limits, and his own blind spots. Right now he calls offensive plays, obsesses about QB details, and the teams as whole is falling apart. He needs to step back from the micromanaging of QB and offense, and run the damn team.
If he's still doing the same things early next year when they hit their first losing streak, it may be time to say he has to go. But it's way too early now. He's doing a bad job, and his constant player-blaming is just irritating as crap. Some people still think it's good, that he "tells it like it is", but he really has little credibility that makes you think he'd know what he's talking about. He sounds so sure about player evaluation, then his team performs like crap again. Apparently he's not so damn smart or competent, and ought to stop telling us about other's shortcomings when he's failing himself.
Get some wins, coach. Earn some credibility. Stop being such a whiner.
No team, like Seattle, could ever win a Super Bowl running the read option. History has already proved you wrong.
On ESPN 980, Chris Russell strongly stated that Gruden wants to make a QB change. He also said that Gruden would strongly prefer an average QB who runs his system well than a talented QB who runs it poorly.
Sheehan and Levaro both thought that if Griffin is benched, his time in DC is over.
Sheehan and Levaro both thought that if Griffin is benched, his time in DC is over.
dhockster
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As a 50 year old Eagles fan, I have no sympathy for you. You got to experience one of the greatest coaches of all time in Joe Gibbs. You won 3 superbowls with Joe Theisman, Jay Schroeder/Doug Williams, and Mark Rypien as your starting QB's. The present and near future may be bleak, but suck it up. If you stop rooting for your team just because they are going through a bad stretch, you will no longer be a Redskin fan. You will be a Cowboy fan.
Archer
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Skins fans were spoiled to great times in the past, and now dying a death of a million paper cuts watching this franchise try to field a team year after year. I do think RG3 needs to play every snap this season, no matter what the score, and either grow into his role as a franchise or play his way out of town. But he HAS to play, no matter what. And I absolutely HATE how we have an amazing RB in Alfred Morris that brings it EVERY day on every play, and is a total class act on and off the field, and yet this is the team he's stuck with. Can you imagine what he'd do in Denver, NE, or GB??
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RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
LOL, we are typical and predicable...week 11 and it gets ugly. Last year was different flavor of ugly, but ugly regardless....
lod01
Footballguy
It's the smart move. The guy simple sucks at playing QB.Marvelous said:
Whoa. Clueless. They won because they had a dominant defense. It had nothing to do with the read option. They shut down arguably the best QB ever. THAT has NOTHING to do with the read option. The read option was along for the ride. You are out of your league.Marvelous said:
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
So Russel's passer rating of 101 last year ranking 7th among qbs had nothing at all to do with that? The point is you can win with the read option.
lod01
Footballguy
They lose with an average defense. Manning carves them up.
Now onto Russ. If it was any part of the reason they won last year, what happened this year? Oh, their defense is not even close to what it was last year.
The fact is you cannot win with the read option unless you have a dominant defense. That means it's just along for the ride.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
at not being able to win running the read option.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
Yep, we are. I'm going to try to dig up some other season threads, because some of them followed the same pattern.
fatness
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
Let's look at some other coaches who refreshingly called out their players in the NFL, and see how they worked out.
Brad Childress: how did he make out?
Mike Singletary: how did he make out?
Jim Zorn: how did he make out?
After all, we know Jim Zorn pretty well.
Gruden's on the same path those guys were.
Brad Childress: how did he make out?
Mike Singletary: how did he make out?
Jim Zorn: how did he make out?
After all, we know Jim Zorn pretty well.
Gruden's on the same path those guys were.
fatness
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