***Official*** Washington Redskins 2014 Thread (In-Season) (5 Viewers)

[fatness]

And here's some 2009 talk of improving the offensive line. Sound familiar?

This past offseason, we all talked about how long it will take to rebuild the OL. We all thought it would be 3 years until the line was rebuilt. But, I also think we all hoped they'd address OL in this year's draft, which they didn't. So, we might have to restart that 3-year clock.

 

[fatness]

Here's the 2008 season thread.

 

[thayman]

So it's never too early to start it, but Gruden needs to go.

It's so clear he wants nothing to do with RG3. He bashes players in the media. All from a coach with a sparkling 3-7 record. He calls guys out like he's done something. GTFO Gruden.

He's a young guy learning his job. A "work in progress" which seems to be a popular phrase around here. And he's making mistakes, as you can see by his team's performance on the field and by his own performance talking to the press.

But I don't think he needs to go. He just needs to learn his job, which to me would involve:

1. putting a team on the field that plays like an NFL team

2. managing his players better, which can't be done in public view. The players tune out and Gruden looks like a teenager blaming others for the results of his work

3. managing his coaches better, because at least some of them are doing a poor job. That can't be done publicly either, but has to be done.

4. figuring out his own limits, and his own blind spots. Right now he calls offensive plays, obsesses about QB details, and the teams as whole is falling apart. He needs to step back from the micromanaging of QB and offense, and run the damn team.

If he's still doing the same things early next year when they hit their first losing streak, it may be time to say he has to go. But it's way too early now. He's doing a bad job, and his constant player-blaming is just irritating as crap. Some people still think it's good, that he "tells it like it is", but he really has little credibility that makes you think he'd know what he's talking about. He sounds so sure about player evaluation, then his team performs like crap again. Apparently he's not so damn smart or competent, and ought to stop telling us about other's shortcomings when he's failing himself.

Get some wins, coach. Earn some credibility. Stop being such a whiner.

I very much dislike the constant calling players out and insinuating that it's the player's effort not the coaches fault on Sunday. I'd like to see him develop into a fine Head Coach, but his player evaluation seems god awful.

 

[fatness]

Jay Gruden, bringing the drama.

Still, Gruden came across as a frustrated coach. Know this: His frustrations do not end with Griffin. There are basic plays not being made -- blocks missed, blitzes botched -- that add to his frustration. The Redskins’ problems don’t end with Griffin. They won’t end if they change quarterbacks. They will subside if Griffin develops because then he’ll become the playmaker they need at this position.

 

[fatness]

Dan Daly being pretty critical of Gruden.

Dan Daly @dandalyonsports · 2h 2 hours ago

On a 3-7 team, the building is full of people who are "not even close to being good enough," starting, usually, with the coach.

Dan Daly @dandalyonsports · 2h 2 hours ago

Gruden already seems to be in Shanahan Fire-Me mode. The nurturing of young QBs used to be important. Now? Egomania rules.

Dan Daly @dandalyonsports · 2h 2 hours ago

Never heard a coach rip a QB like Gruden did #RG3 today. Clearly, QBs are just implements of his genius. Another whiteboard whiz.

Dan Daly @dandalyonsports · 1h 1 hour ago

Can hardly remember Gibbs saying a discouraging word about any of his QBs. And none are in the HOF. It was always "we," never "he."

Dan Daly @dandalyonsports · 1h 1 hour ago

Bad coaches like Gruden publicly strip away what little confidence a QB might have left + shout, "Look at me! I'm a leader of men!"

 

[GoBirds]

Dan Daly being pretty critical of Gruden.

Dan Daly @dandalyonsports · 2h 2 hours ago

On a 3-7 team, the building is full of people who are "not even close to being good enough," starting, usually, with the coach.

Dan Daly @dandalyonsports · 2h 2 hours ago

Gruden already seems to be in Shanahan Fire-Me mode. The nurturing of young QBs used to be important. Now? Egomania rules.

Dan Daly @dandalyonsports · 2h 2 hours ago

Never heard a coach rip a QB like Gruden did #RG3 today. Clearly, QBs are just implements of his genius. Another whiteboard whiz.

Dan Daly @dandalyonsports · 1h 1 hour ago

Can hardly remember Gibbs saying a discouraging word about any of his QBs. And none are in the HOF. It was always "we," never "he."

Dan Daly @dandalyonsports · 1h 1 hour ago

Bad coaches like Gruden publicly strip away what little confidence a QB might have left + shout, "Look at me! I'm a leader of men!"

He seems pretty arrogant, don't think his brothers ring gives him the right to act like such a D.

 

[fatness]

"You know, usually that stuff is said behind closed doors," Burleson said. "He might just get up there and say, 'Our quarterback didn't play well enough today.' But you don't go out there and break it down and actually expose every single thing that the quarterback did wrong."

Brian Baldinger added on NFL Network's The Aftermath: "I've listened to a lot of postgame press conferences over a lot of years, and I've never heard a coach criticize his quarterback like that."

 

[fatness]

https://twitter.com/CarbonPrimo/status/534489622324469760

Worth reading.

 

[flapgreen]

Gruden reminds me of Josh McDaniels when he went to Denver. That's not how you do it, coach. Good luck in the unemployment line in a couple years. Ego is not what you need to straighten things out. Idiot

 

[Ted Mullins]

https://twitter.com/CarbonPrimo/status/534489622324469760

Worth reading.

I like this list a lot but I just have such a hard time imagining this franchise letting a total rebuild take place - seems like they are always looking for a quick fix instead. My assumption is that this is mostly due to Snyder's influence - would he actually tell a coach to "not worry about winning now"? Of course, they end up with a rebuilding type record most years anyways.

Seems like if you get the right coach, there's something to be said for stability even if it's ugly for a few years. You can pretty much set your watch to coaching staff turnover and turmoil every 3-4 years for the Skins though.

I tend to side with those Dan Daly tweets for the most part. Not sure if I am being influenced by a media narrative here, but I've really felt all along that Gruden doesn't really like Griffin as a QB. I get that people appreciate Gruden's candor but some of these comments come off over the top and it's kinda seemed like he's been harder on Griffin than he was on the other QBs. And as Fatness has been pointing out, Gruden seems to be pushing a lot of the blame off the staff and on to the players every week, which is funny considering Griffin is currently getting lambasted for spreading blame around.

 

[jbz]

Gruden is RG3's direct position coach, so he should be looking at the mirror when dogging his own starting QB like that.

 

[Sebowski]

Gruden reminds me of Josh McDaniels when he went to Denver. That's not how you do it, coach. Good luck in the unemployment line in a couple years. Ego is not what you need to straighten things out. Idiot

OMG, Josh McDaniels is unemployed!?

 

[Sebowski]

https://twitter.com/CarbonPrimo/status/534489622324469760

Worth reading.

Not really. Just a Madden player and a bunch of blanket ubiquitous comments.

 

[MattFancy]

Still 100% disagree with how Gruden handled everything yesterday. He came off as a coach who knows he's lost control so he's gonna call people out to look strong.

Where's the blame on the coaching staff? What has Haslett done that puts him above criticism? What the hell has Gruden done that puts him above the criticism? He's the head coach of a 3-7 team, yet he's out here calling people out like he's a 5x Super Bowl champion. He's done jack in this league. You want to rip the players? Do it in the locker room, not the press room. You're not Bill Parcells.

It's clear he doesn't like Griffin and doesn't want Griffin to be here. When Kirk was out there throwing INT after INT, he didn't get ripped in the media. Pretty sure Gruden was making excuses for Kirk to the media. RG3 has a bad game and he rips him a new one. Gruden is in over his head here. Which is a common theme for 1st time NFL HCs in DC lately. We're such a ####### clown show here, it's not even funny anymore.

Other teams that lose don't seem to have nearly the drama. The Lions went 0-16 and didn't have this much #### going on. The Raiders are 0-10, but you don't have their coach calling players out in the media. The Jags have been bad for years, no drama there. Why is it that this team doesn't know what to do unless there's constant drama? Every single ####### year. Even when in 2012 when we won the division, drama.

Honestly, it pains me to say it, but we're the worst organization in the NFL, top to bottom. Our owner, our "GM", our coaches, our players, our fans. Everything stinks.

 

[fatness]

Gruden reminds me of Josh McDaniels when he went to Denver. That's not how you do it, coach. Good luck in the unemployment line in a couple years. Ego is not what you need to straighten things out. Idiot

He seems like a lot nicer guy than McDaniels did but other than that seems pretty much the same so far. Qualified to be OC, way over his head as HC

 

[fatness]

It's clear he doesn't like Griffin and doesn't want Griffin to be here. When Kirk was out there throwing INT after INT, he didn't get ripped in the media. Pretty sure Gruden was making excuses for Kirk to the media. RG3 has a bad game and he rips him a new one.

It's weird. He treats Griffin like an enemy.

 

[MattFancy]

It's clear he doesn't like Griffin and doesn't want Griffin to be here. When Kirk was out there throwing INT after INT, he didn't get ripped in the media. Pretty sure Gruden was making excuses for Kirk to the media. RG3 has a bad game and he rips him a new one.

It's weird. He treats Griffin like an enemy.

He really does. Griffin is far from the only person playing poorly, yet you wouldn't know it according to Gruden.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Gruden reminds me of Josh McDaniels when he went to Denver. That's not how you do it, coach. Good luck in the unemployment line in a couple years. Ego is not what you need to straighten things out. Idiot

OMG, Josh McDaniels is unemployed!?

No, he's the NE OC, but he was fired pretty quickly after his stunts as a HC.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Gruden may have some straight forward candor and everyone is jumping on the "not the right way to do it coach" bandwagon. Has anyone thought that RGIII may be told plenty in private way ahead beforehand and they are getting fed up with no changes?

Why can't he see the field or get the right drop back (feet count) in his third year of being a NFL QB? Why is it he is now just starting to talk about he needs to improve and still not just saying that cuz he includes others need to improve too? I don't know about you, but in my experience of being around other workers...the only people who don't learn or change what they do are the people who think they know better or think they are doing it right. This is also inline with people who don't take responsibility for their own actions, never their own fault its always someone else.

Why such tenuous relationship between Shanny and RGIII? Hmm...now we see Gruden and some questionable comments...Hmmm....what is the common denominator?

All I'm saying is, it can't always be the coach (especially when that person has changed) and maybe we are not dealing with normal circumstances here as the player could be hard or frustrating to coach. From John Keim's story: "Everything Gruden told the media Monday is what he said he’s told Griffin privately. None of what Gruden said publicly would therefore be classified as a surprise."

Just a thought fellas...

 

[MattFancy]

But isn't Gruden the defacto QB coach? Maybe he's not doing a good enough job getting through to him? We heard Terry Shea in the offseason talk about how Griffin's footwork looked great. Now who knows if that's true or not, but shouldn't Gruden work on that instead of publicy bashing RG3? He hasn't even been with RG3 for a full season and he's pretty much decided he's done with him. If they were to bench him in the next couple of weeks, RG3's time in DC is over. No chance he starts next year or wants to be here. You bench RG3 at all the rest of the season, you better trade him in the offseason.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

But isn't Gruden the defacto QB coach? Maybe he's not doing a good enough job getting through to him? We heard Terry Shea in the offseason talk about how Griffin's footwork looked great. Now who knows if that's true or not, but shouldn't Gruden work on that instead of publicy bashing RG3? He hasn't even been with RG3 for a full season and he's pretty much decided he's done with him. If they were to bench him in the next couple of weeks, RG3's time in DC is over. No chance he starts next year or wants to be here. You bench RG3 at all the rest of the season, you better trade him in the offseason.

Who says he hasn't done that and maybe several times over? A person who doesn't learn is the person who thinks they know better or is always right. Odd how RG3 still had trouble with drop back and setting feet in his 3rd year in the NFL with at least 2 different coaches working with him, right?

 

[fatness]

It's not just Griffin who played badly Sunday. It's almost the entire team. Yet we hear no detailed analysis of how Ryan Clark blew pass coverages, how Roy Helu fumbled twice, how Niles Paul threw the ball to a defender, how O-linemen blew their blocks.

We only hear the detailed breakdown about Griffin.

Those other players played poorly. That reflects on the coaching staff, and Gruden in particular. This team is badly coached right now, and the coach is blaming his QB.

 

[fatness]

San Francisco barely beat the Giants, even though Eli threw 5 INT's. So theoretically on Sunday the Skins have a chance.

On Sunday we'll either see a slightly improved performance by the players (and maybe the coaches but I'm not holding out much hope for that), or the wheels will really come off the cart.

 

[tangfoot]

San Francisco barely beat the Giants, even though Eli threw 5 INT's. So theoretically on Sunday the Skins have a chance.

On Sunday we'll either see a slightly improved performance by the players (and maybe the coaches but I'm not holding out much hope for that), or the wheels will really come off the cart.

What makes you think this cart has any wheels left on it at this point?

Internal and public squabbling, terrible play, injuries, it's a complete nightmare out there.

 

[Swing 51]

That reflects on the coaching staff, and Gruden in particular. This team is badly coached right now, and the coach is blaming his QB.

The main thing (among others) that was causing me to cuss at the TV is the repeated false starts - at home, after a bye week.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

It's not just Griffin who played badly Sunday. It's almost the entire team. Yet we hear no detailed analysis of how Ryan Clark blew pass coverages, how Roy Helu fumbled twice, how Niles Paul threw the ball to a defender, how O-linemen blew their blocks.

We only hear the detailed breakdown about Griffin.

Those other players played poorly. That reflects on the coaching staff, and Gruden in particular. This team is badly coached right now, and the coach is blaming his QB.

Again, if the player is not learning or making changes then it goes to another level...ironic that Shanny had issues with RG3 and now this coach seems to have issues with lack of fundamentals...one thing is common, RG3. Other players maybe showing responsibility and accountability for their poor play with coaches and RG3 is not. If you think you are right, you won't learn or change. Odd how RG3 is now starting to accept responsibility for his poor play and muffs that up too by including everyone else, which then takes away taking responsibility for your own action. I think when we see Gruden going to this level, things are far far far far far far far worse below the surface. Easy to just say "bad coach, good coaches never do that."

 

[RGIII HTTR]

That reflects on the coaching staff, and Gruden in particular. This team is badly coached right now, and the coach is blaming his QB.

The main thing (among others) that was causing me to cuss at the TV is the repeated false starts - at home, after a bye week.

That is a sign of poor coaching IMO. We see poor coaching almost every Sunday on the defensive side of the ball though, now used it.

 

[fatness]

San Francisco barely beat the Giants, even though Eli threw 5 INT's. So theoretically on Sunday the Skins have a chance.

On Sunday we'll either see a slightly improved performance by the players (and maybe the coaches but I'm not holding out much hope for that), or the wheels will really come off the cart.

What makes you think this cart has any wheels left on it at this point?

Internal and public squabbling, terrible play, injuries, it's a complete nightmare out there.

Personal pride on the part of most of the players; loyalty to teammates; self-interest in looking good on film at the end of the year; competitive instinct. Those would be the reasons for improvement, if it happens.

 

[fatness]

It's not just Griffin who played badly Sunday. It's almost the entire team. Yet we hear no detailed analysis of how Ryan Clark blew pass coverages, how Roy Helu fumbled twice, how Niles Paul threw the ball to a defender, how O-linemen blew their blocks.

We only hear the detailed breakdown about Griffin.

Those other players played poorly. That reflects on the coaching staff, and Gruden in particular. This team is badly coached right now, and the coach is blaming his QB.

Again, if the player is not learning or making changes then it goes to another level...ironic that Shanny had issues with RG3 and now this coach seems to have issues with lack of fundamentals...one thing is common, RG3.

A failing coach looking for someone to blame, and picking the highest profile player. One thing in common.

 

[MattFancy]

It's not just Griffin who played badly Sunday. It's almost the entire team. Yet we hear no detailed analysis of how Ryan Clark blew pass coverages, how Roy Helu fumbled twice, how Niles Paul threw the ball to a defender, how O-linemen blew their blocks.

We only hear the detailed breakdown about Griffin.

Those other players played poorly. That reflects on the coaching staff, and Gruden in particular. This team is badly coached right now, and the coach is blaming his QB.

Agreed. How many times has Clark missed tackles or been late on coverage this year? How many times has Perry Riley not run the right play on defense? Yet those guys don't get the undressing in the media that RG3 got yesterday. Gruden doesn't like RG3, that much is clear. So we'll add QB to the list of needs now since Gruden is done with him. We need a QB, RT, RG, LG, C, DT, OLB, CB, FS, SS. Just awesome.

 

[dhockster]

It's not just Griffin who played badly Sunday. It's almost the entire team. Yet we hear no detailed analysis of how Ryan Clark blew pass coverages, how Roy Helu fumbled twice, how Niles Paul threw the ball to a defender, how O-linemen blew their blocks.

We only hear the detailed breakdown about Griffin.

Those other players played poorly. That reflects on the coaching staff, and Gruden in particular. This team is badly coached right now, and the coach is blaming his QB.

Agreed. How many times has Clark missed tackles or been late on coverage this year? How many times has Perry Riley not run the right play on defense? Yet those guys don't get the undressing in the media that RG3 got yesterday. Gruden doesn't like RG3, that much is clear. So we'll add QB to the list of needs now since Gruden is done with him. We need a QB, RT, RG, LG, C, DT, OLB, CB, FS, SS. Just awesome.

I think Gruden probably would have said the same thing about Clark and Riley if they had stated they needed everyone else playing well around them. Gruden shouldn't have called out RGIII publicly but it was not really about his play, it was about RGIII publicly deflecting criticism to other people.

 

[fatness]

It's not just Griffin who played badly Sunday. It's almost the entire team. Yet we hear no detailed analysis of how Ryan Clark blew pass coverages, how Roy Helu fumbled twice, how Niles Paul threw the ball to a defender, how O-linemen blew their blocks.

We only hear the detailed breakdown about Griffin.

Those other players played poorly. That reflects on the coaching staff, and Gruden in particular. This team is badly coached right now, and the coach is blaming his QB.

Agreed. How many times has Clark missed tackles or been late on coverage this year? How many times has Perry Riley not run the right play on defense? Yet those guys don't get the undressing in the media that RG3 got yesterday. Gruden doesn't like RG3, that much is clear. So we'll add QB to the list of needs now since Gruden is done with him. We need a QB, RT, RG, LG, C, DT, OLB, CB, FS, SS. Just awesome.

It's still not apparent whether we have an adequate head coach or not.

 

[fatness]

Gruden shouldn't have called out RGIII publicly but it was not really about his play, it was about RGIII publicly deflecting criticism to other people.

I have to disagree in part. Gruden was very specific about Griffin's play, and how it was inadequate. Very specific.

 

[fatness]

Another smooth PR move by the Skins.

 

[Ksquared]

It's not just Griffin who played badly Sunday. It's almost the entire team. Yet we hear no detailed analysis of how Ryan Clark blew pass coverages, how Roy Helu fumbled twice, how Niles Paul threw the ball to a defender, how O-linemen blew their blocks.

We only hear the detailed breakdown about Griffin.

Those other players played poorly. That reflects on the coaching staff, and Gruden in particular. This team is badly coached right now, and the coach is blaming his QB.

Agreed. How many times has Clark missed tackles or been late on coverage this year? How many times has Perry Riley not run the right play on defense? Yet those guys don't get the undressing in the media that RG3 got yesterday. Gruden doesn't like RG3, that much is clear. So we'll add QB to the list of needs now since Gruden is done with him. We need a QB, RT, RG, LG, C, DT, OLB, CB, FS, SS. Just awesome.

I think Gruden probably would have said the same thing about Clark and Riley if they had stated they needed everyone else playing well around them. Gruden shouldn't have called out RGIII publicly but it was not really about his play, it was about RGIII publicly deflecting criticism to other people.

I have a strange feeling that RGIII is going the way of Vick - the ultimate coach killer. They make enough exciting/spectacular plays to make everyone on the outside say "why can't he keep doing that? A good coach would" but they are so inconsistent/wild card that you cannot count on what they are going to do game to game. So if they don't win, it is all about the coaching.

Whether you liked either Shanahan or now Gruden - all three have shown an ability to get a lot out of the quarterbacks they work with - but it is not happening with RGIII. He calls out his teammates play and yet he is doing high school mistakes. Mixing up 3 and 5 step drops!!!!! Obviously he does not even understand the concepts of the routes that are being run - either the WR/TE will not have started their break or will have already completed it. Gruden also said RGIII looked at the wrong side of the field several times on the first read....these are inexcusable failures for a QB in college, let alone the NFL

And lastly the elephant in the room, Danny is meddling and wants his toy on the field. I believe much of Shanahan's actions his last year and now Gruden's are due to higher ups (Snyder) forcing personnel choices on the head coach. What a mess.

 

[Milkman]

Bottom 5 team in the league and Dan Snyder is the worst owner in the NFL.

If they keep drafting like they did this year. Basically passing on soon to be All Pros in positions of need to trade down and draft complete ####### garbage........ they'll never turn it around. I literally can't watch Redskin games anymore because there's nothing to even cheer about.

They would literally have more success if they did the exact opposite of what they think is the move to make personal wise and game planning wise.

It has been an amazing 20-25 year run of complete ######ation!

 

[fatness]

Whether you liked either Shanahan or now Gruden - all three have shown an ability to get a lot out of the quarterbacks they work with -

When has Gruden shown that as a head coach?

 

[fatness]

They would literally have more success if they did the exact opposite of what they think is the move to make personal wise and game planning wise.

This would be so cool. The Costanza method.

 

[dhockster]

Gruden shouldn't have called out RGIII publicly but it was not really about his play, it was about RGIII publicly deflecting criticism to other people.

I have to disagree in part. Gruden was very specific about Griffin's play, and how it was inadequate. Very specific.

I guess I was just referring to his "Robert's got to worry about his own game and let me worry about everyone else's".

 

[B-Deep]

So, people complaining about Gruden, would you actually like to see him canned after the season?

if you answer yes, do you think they should stick with RG3?

 

[dhockster]

They would literally have more success if they did the exact opposite of what they think is the move to make personal wise and game planning wise.

This would be so cool. The Costanza method.

"If everything I do or think is wrong, than the opposite has to be right"

 

[Dondante]

Gruden shouldn't have called out RGIII publicly but it was not really about his play, it was about RGIII publicly deflecting criticism to other people.

I have to disagree in part. Gruden was very specific about Griffin's play, and how it was inadequate. Very specific.

So are you simply arguing for the sake of arguing or do you really believe this is more on Gruden than Griffin? Do you disagree with what Gruden said about Griffin?

 

[fatness]

So, people complaining about Gruden, would you actually like to see him canned after the season?

if you answer yes, do you think they should stick with RG3?

I can't give an answer until the end of the season on either of them.

Haslett? Yes, he should be canned.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

So, people complaining about Gruden, would you actually like to see him canned after the season?

if you answer yes, do you think they should stick with RG3?

I can't give an answer until the end of the season on either of them.

Haslett? Yes, he should be canned.

Whew, for a second I thought you were Chris Russell until you said Haz should be let go.

 

[fatness]

Redskin ticket for $10.

With about six minutes left, one guy in my section went on a rant.“They’re a terrible team,” he said, possibly to no one. “I mean, if Haslett has a job tomorrow….I don’t understand.”

With about two minutes left, a different fan — possibly the boo bird — shouted out “You suck, Redskins, you suck!”

“Fire Jim Haslett!” someone else growled.

But this mostly wasn’t anger. It was something different. Something sadder.

“It’s been the longest 22 years of my life,” a downcast Kelly Smith of Sterling told me after it was all over. Kelly Smith, it’s worth noting, is 22 years old.

“I don’t want to be so negative,” she said, and she ticked off a couple of potential reasons for hope. But she wasn’t fooling herself. “They suck,” she finally said. “They really do. I hate that I love them.”

 

[Dondante]

Redskin ticket for $10.

With about six minutes left, one guy in my section went on a rant.“They’re a terrible team,” he said, possibly to no one. “I mean, if Haslett has a job tomorrow….I don’t understand.”

With about two minutes left, a different fan — possibly the boo bird — shouted out “You suck, Redskins, you suck!”

“Fire Jim Haslett!” someone else growled.

But this mostly wasn’t anger. It was something different. Something sadder.

“It’s been the longest 22 years of my life,” a downcast Kelly Smith of Sterling told me after it was all over. Kelly Smith, it’s worth noting, is 22 years old.

“I don’t want to be so negative,” she said, and she ticked off a couple of potential reasons for hope. But she wasn’t fooling herself. “They suck,” she finally said. “They really do. I hate that I love them.”

Pathetic.

 

[fatness]

Gruden shouldn't have called out RGIII publicly but it was not really about his play, it was about RGIII publicly deflecting criticism to other people.

I have to disagree in part. Gruden was very specific about Griffin's play, and how it was inadequate. Very specific.

So are you simply arguing for the sake of arguing or do you really believe this is more on Gruden than Griffin? Do you disagree with what Gruden said about Griffin?

When you say "this" you're talking about a spat between HC and QB, with the HC doing most of the sparring.

When I say "this" I'm talking about a total team collapse.

Which is the most important one?

 

[MattFancy]

So, people complaining about Gruden, would you actually like to see him canned after the season?

if you answer yes, do you think they should stick with RG3?

I don't know about Gruden. He hasn't shown me anything so far. I think it would be nuts to fire him after the season (even though I said yesterday he needs to go), but I honestly wouldn't be upset if they did. It won't happen.

Should they stick with RG3? For at least the rest of this season yes.

 

[Dondante]

Gruden shouldn't have called out RGIII publicly but it was not really about his play, it was about RGIII publicly deflecting criticism to other people.

I have to disagree in part. Gruden was very specific about Griffin's play, and how it was inadequate. Very specific.

So are you simply arguing for the sake of arguing or do you really believe this is more on Gruden than Griffin? Do you disagree with what Gruden said about Griffin?

When you say "this" you're talking about a spat between HC and QB, with the HC doing most of the sparring.

When I say "this" I'm talking about a total team collapse.

Which is the most important one?

You can't be serious.

 

[fatness]

You didn't answer.