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***** Official Westworld Thread ***** (1 Viewer)

man, this show is good. the way that the show manipulates the audience is pretty slick. since the beginning, Bernard is the character that we have been made to empathize with the most. even though it was a possibility, him being revealed as a bot really throws you for a loop. now that I know he's a bot, I almost feel WORSE for Bernard, because he's going through so much inner pain because of his son...it's like I want that pain to be real, just for his sake.

 
So, we haven't spent much time discussing WHERE this park is.

Promo pics are out for the next episode, and the one with the corporate Delos wench has a map of the park behind here, and it kinda looks like...

The moon maybe?  The fact that the map is round (as it is on the visit Westworld website thing) makes me think it is definitely on it's own planet or moon or asteroid.
 
Help me with the staged scene where they had the hooker bot go ham on the asian.  Why was that a setup, and to what end?  

And what was the point of giving her a sinus cavity drilling if the intention was to take her out of service, isn't the typical protocol to just burn them? Or was this simply a way to look at her odd nipples one last time?  We sure that wasn't a CGI nude there? Looked a little strange.

The one thing that is annoying is the very lazy plot structure of the Board vs. Whomever.  It's always "oooohhh the board wants this" ZOMG.  Oh snap the board is ruining my artistic vision. :rolleyes:   It's just symbolic of the fact that they could afford Anthony ####### Hopkins, but couldn't manage to make a Jerry Jones like character and develop it and instead are acting to paper.  Big weak point in my mind.  

 
I still don't like the inconsistency of using CGI for young Hopkins, albeit very brief

But clearly William = MIB at this point

Good for Jimmi Simpson, a nobody brought on for physical resemblance I'm still not seeing

Wonder what they've been doing in the barn all these years

 
culdeus said:
Help me with the staged scene where they had the hooker bot go ham on the asian.  Why was that a setup, and to what end?

To show she was keeping memories even after having them wiped

And what was the point of giving her a sinus cavity drilling if the intention was to take her out of service, isn't the typical protocol to just burn them? Or was this simply a way to look at her odd nipples one last time?  We sure that wasn't a CGI nude there? Looked a little strange.

Where have they been burned? They've show a few times how they disable the hosts before retiring them...basically a lobotomy  

The one thing that is annoying is the very lazy plot structure of the Board vs. Whomever.  It's always "oooohhh the board wants this" ZOMG.  Oh snap the board is ruining my artistic vision. :rolleyes:   It's just symbolic of the fact that they could afford Anthony ####### Hopkins, but couldn't manage to make a Jerry Jones like character and develop it and instead are acting to paper.  Big weak point in my mind.  

What? 
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I swear to god you're not watching this show and just come in and ask questions based off of posts here. Decent shtick :thumbup:  

 
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The Gator said:
I swear to god you're not watching this show and just come in and ask questions based off of posts here. Decent shtick :thumbup:  
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I don't know how to use quote function here

Q1 - When Bernard was about to be revealed, he indicated that the whole Asian/Hooker thing was a sham, and she should have seen through it.  It wasn't clear to me exactly what part of that setup was a scam and what they were trying to fake and to what end.  

Q2 - This isn't the case at all, they have at least 5 times said that really bad bots go to the "incinerator".  If she has shown tendency to go ham, she should have gotten a bit toasty.

Q3 - I'm just critical of a lazy plot hook they keep using.  "The Board" could have instead been a specific person "The Owner" who could have been an actor rather than some nebulous/nefarious group of people off camera that are never shown.  

 
culdeus said:
Q3 - I'm just critical of a lazy plot hook they keep using.  "The Board" could have instead been a specific person "The Owner" who could have been an actor rather than some nebulous/nefarious group of people off camera that are never shown.  
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That's what they're trying to make Theresa, no?  But I can see what your'e saying, it's even easy for her to just say "but the board says..." 

 
culdeus said:
I don't know how to use quote function here

WHO DOES???

Q2 - This isn't the case at all, they have at least 5 times said that really bad bots go to the "incinerator".  If she has shown tendency to go ham, she should have gotten a bit toasty.
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I took that as only the out of commission ones....like the smash-head-with-rock dood. 

 
The Gator said:
That's what they're trying to make Theresa, no?  But I can see what your'e saying, it's even easy for her to just say "but the board says..." 
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Exactly, why have Theresa if she's just there to be somewhat of an auditor?  It's just lazy writing and distracting to have a group with disparate motives off camera that is only spoken of with reverence.  Theresa could have played the role of "the owner" just fine.  As it is you don't really know what power she really has, and she might end up getting assimilated.  

 
huh. I'm not worried about the role of the "owner/corporation" yet. they've been building this world for the viewer and slowly introducing the idea of a controlling body that's external to it. and we're only just getting our first glimpse (delightful naked butt, glimpse) of the young woman who is their proxy, so I assume and am comfortable waiting for more inclusion as the story demands it. so far, IMO, it hasn't. 

 
Ok, Mrs. Koya just brought up a potential killer to the dual timeline idea...

In the episode where Delores shoots the gun at the bad guy who was going to rape her - if you recall, she has memories of the MIB interchanged with the bad guy standing in front of her, it's the same barn where MIB was "assaulting" her to whatever degree -  after she shoots him (prior to that, her code would not let her shoot a weapon), she runs away to escape. 

She runs to William and his friend, who were at their campsite "bored out of their minds"

As my wife pointed out, how could Delores be reacting to a memory of something that happened 30 years later? Does this kill the dual timeline theory, or is there an out clause, or are we just missing something.

 
The dual timeline theory is stupid and if that is really what is going on I'm done.  It's already going to be annoying dealing with the fact that it's not clear who is a robot and who isn't from this point forward. 

I assume they 3-D print the Emma Page starter kit too. Not sure how long the process is as he has to bot up Theresa also.

 
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culdeus said:
The dual timeline theory is stupid and if that is really what is going on I'm done.  It's already going to be annoying dealing with the fact that it's not clear who is a robot and who isn't from this point forward. 
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Culdeus is clearly a bot.

Time to decommission him.

 
Koya said:
As my wife pointed out, how could Delores be reacting to a memory of something that happened 30 years later? Does this kill the dual timeline theory, or is there an out clause, or are we just missing something.
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If the two timeline theory is true, this will be a point of contention because it was an attempt to trick with editing. The other cuts were more plausible. 

Although, some assume that because Dolores ran away and got on the horse unscathed that it was the current timeline. What if,  @culdeus , she was shot in the current time, but in that instant had a memory of being in the same situation but escaping? And that's what we're seeing now, the time 30 years ago that she escaped.

 
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Ok, Mrs. Koya just brought up a potential killer to the dual timeline idea...

In the episode where Delores shoots the gun at the bad guy who was going to rape her - if you recall, she has memories of the MIB interchanged with the bad guy standing in front of her, it's the same barn where MIB was "assaulting" her to whatever degree -  after she shoots him (prior to that, her code would not let her shoot a weapon), she runs away to escape. 

She runs to William and his friend, who were at their campsite "bored out of their minds"

As my wife pointed out, how could Delores be reacting to a memory of something that happened 30 years later? Does this kill the dual timeline theory, or is there an out clause, or are we just missing something.
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The out clause is that was not one continuous scene - we saw the events at the Abernathy ranch - and then the show cut to something else, don't recall what exactly, but it was something else.  Then there was a scene with Delores headed to William and Logan's camp.  It is plausible that something else drove Delores away from her ranch in William's time frame.

Fast forward to the new time frame - and perhaps MIB "triggered" Delores to shoot the guy - may even have planted the gun for her.  Thus setting things in motion so that she is on the Train with the box of Nitro, and the maze stamp - where we saw her by herself.

 
culdeus said:
I don't know how to use quote function here

Q1 - When Bernard was about to be revealed, he indicated that the whole Asian/Hooker thing was a sham, and she should have seen through it.  It wasn't clear to me exactly what part of that setup was a scam and what they were trying to fake and to what end. 

The people representing the Board (Theresa and the new lady) were trying to discredit Ford, and come up with grounds to force him to retire. They expected him to fall on his sword to protect Bernard, because the code they blamed for the bot malfunction was his code- the reveries. Bernard and Ford both recognized it was fake, and Clem's going ham were due to sloppy, staged coding from Theresa's team. But, Bernard never did spell out what gave it away.

Also, maybe I'm giving Hopkins too much credit as an actor (doubtful) but his facial expressions and body language during the scene suggest he knows they're making a play against him, but he's staying quiet while he watches it play out. There even seemed to be a little hand gesture where he could have been trying to shut Clem down, like he has with all the other bots, when the security guy couldn't get her to shut down. He looked bemused when it didn't work- but that's definitely could be me reading too much into it.

Q2 - This isn't the case at all, they have at least 5 times said that really bad bots go to the "incinerator".  If she has shown tendency to go ham, she should have gotten a bit toasty.

The new lady rep said they were going to wipe all of the infected bots clean and re-boot their code. That was when she fired Bernard. I imagine that's for two reasons: 1. They know there's really nothing that drastically wrong with the bots, because it was a set-up. 2. There's too many bots to incinerate and re-create from scratch.

Q3 - I'm just critical of a lazy plot hook they keep using.  "The Board" could have instead been a specific person "The Owner" who could have been an actor rather than some nebulous/nefarious group of people off camera that are never shown.

El Floppo already answered this, but I think the role of the Board is a slow-play that will develop as the story goes on. Especially if the MIB and William/Logan are part of Delos, which seems pretty likely.
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I'm pretty sure I could watch that episode 10 times and still be completely unable to decipher just what in the sam hell is going on now.

 
Well, if it was not clear before, it's pretty clear now where Maeve is going to find her army.

interesting show as it relates to the multiple timeline theory.

 
El Floppo said:
Let's hear em.

TBH, so far your track record of paying attention to the show isn't so hot, but the show is definitely spreading itself thin, so shoot.
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You've got two dead humans in this park in two days (unless they're time-jumping here, which would be cheap IMO). 

There is no conceivable scenario I can imagine her slitting his throats without setting off alarms. These areas unmonitored? 

 
fantasycurse42 said:
You've got two dead humans in this park in two days (unless they're time-jumping here, which would be cheap IMO). 

There is no conceivable scenario I can imagine her slitting his throats without setting off alarms. These areas unmonitored? 
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Only one dead human that they know about...

 
Ok... so no Theresa bot.

wyatt = Arnold? Seems like Wyatt has to be a big reveal...

Did maeve slice mib in the homestead (as the edit suggests) or was that her memory of stabbing herself as the later narrative shows? 

How does Maeve keep jerk resuscitated maintenance dude and good-guy pal from ratting her out now that she's shown she's ready to kill them.

What's the significance to wyatts gang being masked and not showing their faces? I thought they were guests, but the large horned fella appears to have taken a lethal axe to the head.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
You think you can conceal in murder in that place? IDK, how Maeve came to be is stretching how far I'd let them take this without saying "come on."
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Maybe I misunderstood what they showed, but I assumed when they cauterized his wound, it saved his life so no murder just yet.

 
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