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Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
JP Arencibia? Brutal
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Wright and Mauer seem to be the only US players who GAF
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Such an embarrassment. Tomorrow we'll lose a doubleheader to Kazakhstan and Egypt.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
That wench is ruining this too? Or am I confused.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Haha no. I was just repeating one of john sterlings infamous lines in regards to this game.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Jeter's leadership would have made all the difference tonight
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Is Jorge Cantu available in Cake?
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Mini Tim Collins' beard is in mid-season form.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
What team is using the DBacks dugout/locker room? Maybe Mexico is getting the grit benefit
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
The guy washed out of the majors pretty young.
sporthenry
Footballguy
Stanton almost made it a 1 run game. At this point, every run seems to matter. 
Watching Garcia catch that like he just clinched the pennant.
Can't believe Dickey is our ace nor that the US might end up going home to a bunch of American born guys pretending to be Italian.
Watching Garcia catch that like he just clinched the pennant.Can't believe Dickey is our ace nor that the US might end up going home to a bunch of American born guys pretending to be Italian.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
You can only hope to contain MEXICO!
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Can't believe the reigning NL Cy Young Award winner is the team's ace?Stanton almost made it a 1 run game. At this point, every run seems to matter.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
What are the tie break rules? I think there's a good chance Italy/USA/Mexico all end up 2-1
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Took a hack Mexican squad to expose the R.A. Dickey fraud.
sporthenry
Footballguy
Well I'd take at least 5 guys, probably closer to 10 and perhaps more over him. And perhaps I'm in the minority, but in a tournament like this, I hate relying on a knuckleballer. Great over 162 game season where they can eat innings and throw a few stinkers, that is fine, but it just seems like knuckleballers can't really grind through a game like a normal pitcher.Can't believe the reigning NL Cy Young Award winner is the team's ace?Stanton almost made it a 1 run game. At this point, every run seems to matter.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Scenario 2Three Federation Teams with the highest winning percentage tied for Pool Winner designation.To determine the Pool Winner and Pool Runner-Up, the three Federation Teams shall be ranked in order of TQB (i.e., the sum of runs scored divided by the number of innings played on offense, minus the number of runs allowed, divided by the number of innings played on defense (RS/IPO)-(RA/IPD)=TQB)). For purposes of determining TQB only the scores from the games between the tied teams are to be used in the calculation. In the event two or three Federation Teams remain tied after determining TQB, such tie(s) shall be broken as follows: In the event two Federation Teams remain tied after determining TQB, the Federation Team that won the game played in the First Round between the two Federation Teams that remain tied shall be designated the winner of the tie between the two remaining Federation Teams. In the event three Federation Teams remain tied after determining TQB, such tie(s) shall be broken by ranking Earned Runs Team's Quality Balance ("ER-TQB", i.e., the sum of earned runs scored divided by the number of innings played on offense, minus the number of earned runs allowed, divided by the number of innings played on defense (ERS/IPO)-(ERA/IPD)=ER-TQB)). In the event two or three Federation Teams remain tied after determining TQB and ER-TQB, such tie(s) shall be broken as follows: In the event two Federation Teams remain tied after determining TQB and ER-TQB, the Federation Team that won the game played in the First Round between the two Federation Teams that remain tied shall be designated the winner of the tie between the two remaining Federation Teams. In the event three Federation Teams remain tied after determining TQB and ER-TQB, such tie(s) shall be broken by ranking batting average in games between the tied Federation Teams. In the event two Federation Teams remain tied after determining TQB, ER-TQB, and ranking the Federation Teams by batting average, the Federation Team that won the game played in the First Round between the two Federation Teams that remain tied shall be designated the winner of the tie between the two remaining Federation Teams. In the event three Federation Teams remain tied after each of the foregoing procedures have been applied, such remaining ties shall be determined by coin flip.
So if all three of Mexico, Italy and the USA tie at the top of the pool it's that formula above, so run differentials are important...The good thing is the Italian plastering of Canada wouldn't be included as the formula would only be applicable for games involving tie-break teams
So if all three of Mexico, Italy and the USA tie at the top of the pool it's that formula above, so run differentials are important...The good thing is the Italian plastering of Canada wouldn't be included as the formula would only be applicable for games involving tie-break teams
sporthenry
Footballguy
Didn't realize it was just the games involving those teams. Now they don't really have to press against Canada. But this means Italy is +1, Mexico is +2, and USA is -3. So they have to win by 2 runs or more against Italy and it seems Mexico is just about through now. So not in terrible shape.
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Premier
Footballguy
Unfortunately there's quite a few games of this tournament left. Not seeing the appeal of this. Bad teams, bad baseball. Nothing to get into.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
The pitch count limits and consecutive game restrictions really pervert the product IMO...I understand why they are there, but it becomes a parade of 1 inning relievers
shadyridr
Footballguy
Yeah I don't get the complaint about starting dickey. Sure he's not verlander, price, or kershaw but he still should've mowed thru that minor league caliber lineup. At least wait until vogelsong and holland pitch before complaining. Or the plethora of middling middle reliever we have on the squad. Funny thing is all our pitchers are better than anybody mexico rolled out there except gallardo
Northern Voice
Footballguy
I'm not sure about the Dickey decision because of the timing of the tournament. Do you really want a "feel" pitcher in March? Seems you might be better just running out someone who throws 94 MPH, I guess we'll see.
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
Rough night for USA last night. I was at the game and holy #### were the Mexicans out in full force. I had my 7 year old with me and I got to introduce him to his first out of control drunken sports crowd. Bleachers were crazy and I have to say I may have gone MOP if I did not have the kid with me. Saw a few people escorted out in hand cuffs.
We got there early and the team shop was insane. Stuff was flying off the shelves. I got the last white t shirt with the classic logo and all the teams on it. There was serious cash being dropped in there. There was a lot more support for Mexico then USA there. Dickey should have been pulled immediately. Adrian Gonzales who said he would not play in Chase field for the All Star game hitting that home run really sucked the life out of me. I never wanted to see a team come back more then I did last night. I just wanted the last laugh but it was not meant to be. I am not sure why Mexico was in the home dug out? It was kind of cool to see Chase so packed with people. We dont see that often.
We got there early and the team shop was insane. Stuff was flying off the shelves. I got the last white t shirt with the classic logo and all the teams on it. There was serious cash being dropped in there. There was a lot more support for Mexico then USA there. Dickey should have been pulled immediately. Adrian Gonzales who said he would not play in Chase field for the All Star game hitting that home run really sucked the life out of me. I never wanted to see a team come back more then I did last night. I just wanted the last laugh but it was not meant to be. I am not sure why Mexico was in the home dug out? It was kind of cool to see Chase so packed with people. We dont see that often.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Romo looked great. 
shadyridr
Footballguy
Sure. But when the nl cy young winner says he wants to pitch in the wbc and all the other good pitchers say they don't want to, you really have no choice but to start him. Also, the game was in a dome. I know a lot of knucklers stink in a dome
shadyridr
Footballguy
I went to sleep after the 8th so I didn't know they pitched him. Ill include him in with gallardo tooRomo looked great.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Should be the opposite, the Jays have already said they're keeping the dome closed for Dickey starts
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Yep. There's really no resolution to it unless they want to play baseball in November.Price getting a hard time on twitterDAVIDprice14: My arm is NOT ready to compete in the WBC and that's the end of it...I haven't even started throwing curveballs yet and it's the same trackThat's the problem with this stupid thing in a nutshell.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Didnt wakefield suck in tampa?
shadyridr
Footballguy
Best time to play would be in october or during a week long all star break. In october theyd be competing against their own playoffs so that wont happen. Problem with november is the month long break between end of season and wbc.Yep. There's really no resolution to it unless they want to play baseball in November.Price getting a hard time on twitter
shadyridr
Footballguy
True. I wonder if they had pitch counts then too and how many games they played.There used to be a post-World Series all star team tour of Japan every year. Pitchers used to throw in that.
RnR
Footballguy
The problem with a November start is going to be talking the elite players into giving up two or three weeks of their off-season for this right after a six-month grind. With the WBC in March, position players aren't giving up any time off and they're actually getting to go do something interesting in place of the dog days of ST. Pitchers are starting their throwing programs a few weeks earlier in the winter, but they're not necessarily reporting any sooner.
March is probably the only realistic way to get most of the best guys to participate. I think the pitch count rules are a good way to ensure that guys' arms aren't overworked. It is just a matter of wanting to have your arm in shape to throw a few innings at a time by early-mid March.
March is probably the only realistic way to get most of the best guys to participate. I think the pitch count rules are a good way to ensure that guys' arms aren't overworked. It is just a matter of wanting to have your arm in shape to throw a few innings at a time by early-mid March.
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Smack Tripper
Footballguy
This would be much more welcome in November. I appreciate the concept but these dopey pitch counts kill it.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Team Canada Pummels Team Mexico. Also, they won the game.
Was there more to this than an outbreak of machismo on the part of the Mexican pitcher late in a lost game? Something earlier in the game?
Also, did #91 of Mexico survive?
Was there more to this than an outbreak of machismo on the part of the Mexican pitcher late in a lost game? Something earlier in the game?
Also, did #91 of Mexico survive?
Lowly Clerk
Footballguy
I love baseball but is it just me or are these the longest games. The ones I have watched make a Yankees Red Sox game look quick
shadyridr
Footballguy
Cuz of all the pitching changes
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Such a cheap shot to throw at someone like that. Should have gone right after that ****.Nothing like a little bench clearing brawl to up the intensity a little. Would have expected a better fight from the Mexicans though. I guess they are letting the fans/thugs do the dirty work
Lowly Clerk
Footballguy
Lifelong cubs fan watching Pur. vs Ven. And got to see Carlos Zambrano's career in 2/3 of an inning. Brought a little tear to my eye.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
So with Canada beating Mexico, Italy is through with 2 wins, regardless of their result versus the US
If the US win out, they are through as well
If the US beats Italy and loses to Canada, Canada is through
If the US loses to Italy and beats Canada, then the 3 way tiebreak procedure outlined above comes into play
If the US win out, they are through as well
If the US beats Italy and loses to Canada, Canada is through
If the US loses to Italy and beats Canada, then the 3 way tiebreak procedure outlined above comes into play
