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Online poker is back in the US, a start? (1 Viewer)
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If people really wanted to collude it's not difficult to get individual IP's. I would be surprised if mobile gaming isn't the future. Collusion is always going to be a risk regardless of platform.
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Insoxicated
Apple prohibits any apps involving gambling or pornography. It's kinda a drag as far as I'm concerned as The platform is absolutely RIPE for both to thrive. Sure, you can use an app for either, but the improvement in user experience of an actual app over browsers is pretty significant.
It's a rather significant flaw in Apple's ecosystem IMO. One of several right now.
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It's remarkably easy with tethering/hotspots or 3G/4G enable tablets these days... No doubt that no matter WHAT the online poker sites do, collusion will become a massive problem once legalized fully. I'd be amazed if it wasn't a huge problem right now in other countries. It's just very very easy.The only way to watch it is to track who sits with who and follow the money / track betting patterns.
Hooper31
Footballguy
This is this beauty of playing online. There's a data trail to be followed. Its how the guy that was able to see hole cards was discovered. As long as hand histories are public record players will police the games themselves when things aren't right.
17seconds
root of all aliai
I can't imagine Apple allowing porn apps. Just doesn't fit their image. Gambling maybe.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Good times. :(
flapgreen
Footballguy
It seems like there was a guy from another site that did this as well, but it's been a long time ago. He was taking down guys like Sheets continually until he got caught.
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Hooper31
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Come on their had to be lot's of people doing this. Just rare to find someone smart enough to hack the system and dumb enough to win every hand.
Uhm, no. These guys were software developers for the sites themselves. They weren't hackers. They were the programmers. The stuff was heavily montiored. There were'nt "lots" of people doing this.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
La Paz, Mexico is not bad at all, especially when you literally live across the street from the Pacific Ocean. View from my rooftop(where I play poker all day long):
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200089201725564&set=a.1404929596011.2056794.1015527085&type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200089201565560&set=a.1404929596011.2056794.1015527085&type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200089201285553&set=a.1404929596011.2056794.1015527085&type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4173207641232&set=a.1404929596011.2056794.1015527085&type=3&theater
NCCommish
Footballguy
Yeah well I have a small window with a bush in front of it to look out all day so there.
Seriously that looks great, hope all is going well.
Premier
Footballguy
hey as long as you're happy that's all that matters. Wouldn't be my bag, that's all.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
To be honest I do like Canada better than Mexico and I"m definitely looking forward to getting back to Vegas....with that said, the ban on online poker has forced me to travel a bit, and while its annoying on the surface, its resulted in me living in some places that I might've never otherwise experienced.
Mexico is definitely a bit poorer than the US and theres many things you take for granted in the US that you don't have here...but its cheap to live, its a safe area(very touristy), and the beaches/weather are awesome.
Mexico is definitely a bit poorer than the US and theres many things you take for granted in the US that you don't have here...but its cheap to live, its a safe area(very touristy), and the beaches/weather are awesome.
Hooper31
Footballguy
http://www.commerce.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=Home
Link is to the 10:15 hearing today. The Expansion of Internet Gambling: Assessing Consumer Protection Concerns.
EDIT: This bill is Federal legislation regulating poker only.
Link is to the 10:15 hearing today. The Expansion of Internet Gambling: Assessing Consumer Protection Concerns.
EDIT: This bill is Federal legislation regulating poker only.
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NewlyRetired
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I disagree. When ever this starts back up, and its more when than if imo, this will be popular. Might not be huge like the Moneymaker affect back in 2003-2005 time frame, but there is now an entire generation of kids who missed out and will jump in if it is made easily available.
The attendance at the WSOP continues to be impressive especially considering it is no longer jam packed with internet qualifiers, indicating the game at the highest levels is still viable.
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Hooper31
Footballguy
Pretty sure flap was referring to the time that the webcast was supposed to start.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Hooper31
Footballguy
A few of the guys at 2+2 commented on the hearing as it was live. I was there too. Some were optimistic about what was said. In my opinion it sounded like every reason was listed to completely ban online gaming. I think the optimistic approach looked it as reasons that legislation is needed and we just need to be sure there's a special carve-out for poker as its a game of skill.
NCCommish
Footballguy
At some point the potential dollars are going to turn the tide. People with lots of money are "talking" to Congress about this. Money makes things happen.
NCCommish
Footballguy
I agree, he is surprisingly powerful. I'm more than a little amazed that the GOP has so far been able to withstand all the public speeches that Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have made endorsing online gambling.
NCCommish
Footballguy
2011 is when the admin worked with the Justice Dept to get the ruling mentioned in the article that allowed states to start working on legalizing. So I would guess Obama has done more than speechify. Pelosi has been a long time opponent. Reid has pushed to expand online gambling with bills in the past.
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
Let me see if I have this straight: you are whining because Democratic politicians arent vigorous enough advocates for online gambling in comparison to the GOP politicians and the billionaire scumbag Republican casino owner who employs them who are keeping online gambling illegal?
You make so much sense with your false equivalency doodoo reasoning. Nicely done.
Hooper31
Footballguy
This political topic gets me frustrated more than any other. Members of both parties have taken dollars to sell their political soul with regard to online poker. Not gambling, but poker.
The "what about the children" argument is the worst. It shows a complete lack of understanding with regard to the topic and means that someone is entirely rooted in some other reason for their opposition, usually money or some form of moralistic fervor.
Online poker is my only experience working as a lobbyist in my state capital (Olympia, WA). Getting to see how lobbyist groups fill legislators with free food and drink in "the castle" next to the capitol building opened my eyes. Its a giant house next to the government campus where lobbyist smooze legislators. Yes, a house with a ton of empty rooms in it. Amazed to see how many secretaries and government workers looked like super models. The entire experience just felt slimy.
The "what about the children" argument is the worst. It shows a complete lack of understanding with regard to the topic and means that someone is entirely rooted in some other reason for their opposition, usually money or some form of moralistic fervor.
Online poker is my only experience working as a lobbyist in my state capital (Olympia, WA). Getting to see how lobbyist groups fill legislators with free food and drink in "the castle" next to the capitol building opened my eyes. Its a giant house next to the government campus where lobbyist smooze legislators. Yes, a house with a ton of empty rooms in it. Amazed to see how many secretaries and government workers looked like super models. The entire experience just felt slimy.
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Todd Andrews
Footballguy
Goodness, you're confused. I'm suggesting the Democrats are, for the most part, just as complicit in denying Americans their freedom in this area. I'm suggesting that you know this full well, yet refuse to criticize the Democrats for the same thing, simply because of the letter next to their name.
Hooper31
Footballguy
I follow the issue closely and I'm a member of the Poker Players Association (PPA).
I know its Adelson from The Sands on a national level. Here in my state (WA) it was the Democrats that screwed us. Indian casino lobbyists wrote the bill and got it passed through Margarita Prentice (D) outlawing all forms of online gambling. My own representative (D) apologized to me personally years later after that bill passed. She didn't understand what she was voting for at the time. Her son was super pissed too (we both teach and coached basketball at the time).
I know that any nation wide bill trying to block online gaming is going to come from a Republican.
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
Right, like I said, you are using false equivalency to hide your support for the people who are really keeping online poker illegal.
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
That sucks for Washington state. Nationally and in most states it is the Republicans fighting against online poker. Sheldon Adelson and the other Rich Conway anti-online poker GOP KooKs are funding many state efforts to keep it illegal while they lobby hard on the national level, as well.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Actually despite the fact that Obama and Reid have been open to it the majority of congressional Democrats voted to ban all online gaming. Now my guess is they knew it was a safe vote on the amendment because it was going down in flames and they wanted to look family friendly. But still you look at the roll call and the majority of the yeas were Democrats. Casino operators pay them as well.
I don't support the GOP, many of whom continue to keep online gambling illegal.
I don't support the Democrats, many of whom continue to keep online gambling illegal.
I fully endorse legal online gambling.
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Todd Andrews
Footballguy
You must hate Sheldon Adelson, then. I assume you will also be against his bought and paid for GOP Presidential nominee in 2016. Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Chris Christie and John Kasich are all in Vegas sucking his toes for money.
I don't support the GOP, many of whom continue to keep online gambling illegal.
I don't support the Democrats, many of whom continue to keep online gambling illegal.
I fully endorse legal online gambling.
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
I cant stand the vast majority of Democrats. Never been one and wouldnt vote for most of them.
lod01
Footballguy
;goodposting:
I don't support the GOP, many of whom continue to keep online gambling illegal.
I don't support the Democrats, many of whom continue to keep online gambling illegal.
I fully endorse legal online gambling.
Whichever party is against online poker, I am 100% against. Currently the republicans lead that race. Anyone stopping me from making money can suck the #### right out of my ###. I hope this Adelson homo strokes out and flops out of his wheelchair with drool pouring out of his mouth.
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anyone get their money back from Full Tilt yet?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Which is why every response of yours is whining about the Republican right...despite others showing you that its both sides.
Yeah, but you are not a Democrat...hilarious from you for sure.
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
I dont whine about the Republican right. I am anti-KooK. It just so happens that almost all of the KooKs right now are Republicans. Not my fault.
Please show me one other person like Sheldon Adelson, who the Republican Presidential nominee kingmaker, who is funding anti-online poker legislation nationally and all over the country at the state level, and I will hate their guts too.
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