Ortiz or A-Rod (1 Viewer)

[SkyRattlers]

After 143 votes we only have 15 Yankees fans???

 

[Gambino]

I always thought that the Yankees had the most annoying fans in the world, then the Red Sox got good. :X

 

[Tough As Nails]

I always thought that the Yankees had the most annoying fans in the world, then the Red Sox got good. :X

:greatposting:

 

[Alias]

I don't even know how you can put Ortiz in the same category, because he was up at the right time the last couple years and got important hits. So what??? he doesn't play the field, he doesnt make things happen on the bases, he only hits, and hits VERY well.

If he singles, all he does is extend an inning, if A-rod singles, you have to think more because he can steal a base and make things happen(ie go first to third).

Put Papi in the field and your defense gets remarkably worse....put A-rod in the field and your defense is remarkably improved.

Baseball is much more than hitting homeruns and walk offs and the people who obviously don't understand that picked Ortiz

maybe for your team, on the sox .981 (3rd) & .996 (SS) > .941 (ARod)

yea but think of it in baseball terms. those guys fielding pct is better than a-rod but they dont hold a candle to him at the plate. It is a package thing and A-rod is the total package.A rod is a 5 tool player

Those others including Ortiz are only about 3 or 4 tool

define candle please...
LowellAVG : .307SLG : .507OBP : .362OPS : .869PAY-RodAVG : .279SLG : .496OBP : .390OPS : .886

You aren't seriously comparing A-Rod to Mike Lowell offensively right...?

Yes. I am saying the gap is not as large as some yankees fans seem to think, ala can't hold a candle to A-Rod, looking at his stats this year he is no god...he hits for power and has more RBI's but Lowell is a damn fine hitter, especially if you take their salaries into consideration, but I couldn't expect a yankess fan to ever do that...Lowell

TB 139

GIDP 13

RBI 40

HR 9

XBH 36

BB/SO 1.00

A-Rod

TB 139

GIDP 12

RBI 55

HR 16

XBH 28

BB/SO 0.71

 

[Tough As Nails]

This is laughable.

Red Sox fans favor Ortiz.Yankee fans favor ARod.

Objective fans favor ARod.

That's perfectly in line with how I thought the poll would go. Not sure why Red Sox fans are so insecure about the whole thing. Every chance they get they bash ARod. Get over it. The Sox have a World Series ring. ARod doesn't. Let it go.

Because they're Red Sox fans. You new here?

Red Sox fans have that whole 25-1 championship thing to be insecure about. That's a pretty big chip to carry around. You would think the need to tell anyone and everyone that ARod sucks and Ortiz rules would be down on their list...but it's not.

Yankees fans have that whole ignorance thing to worry about, what is 25-1?

That would be World Series Championships of the Yankees vs. Red Sox in the last Century or whatever. I'm not a fan of either team so I don't know the intricate details. Maybe it's 27-1. Maybe it's 23. I don't know. But I'll bet you do.

 

[Workhorse]

And Lowell is a MUCH better defensive 3rd baseman than ARod.

 

[Tough As Nails]

especially if you take their salaries into consideration, but I couldn't expect a yankess fan to ever do that...

lol at a Red Sox fan complaining about a team spending money.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I always thought that the Yankees had the most annoying fans in the world, then the Red Sox got good.  :X

:greatposting:

Good thing is maybe only one will make the playoffs this year.

 

[Tough As Nails]

I always thought that the Yankees had the most annoying fans in the world, then the Red Sox got good. :X

:greatposting:

Good thing is maybe only one will make the playoffs this year.

Go Bluejays.

 

[Alias]

That would be World Series Championships of the Yankees vs. Red Sox in the last Century or whatever. I'm not a fan of either team so I don't know the intricate details. Maybe it's 27-1. Maybe it's 23. I don't know. But I'll bet you do.

i c so you are one of those guys that like to sound knowledgeable by spouting off stats but in reality you are pretty ignorant?

 

[Oscar]

I always thought that the Yankees had the most annoying fans in the world, then the Red Sox got good.  :X

:greatposting:

Good thing is maybe only one will make the playoffs this year.

Not a chance. Both will. You heard it here first.

 

[Alias]

especially if you take their salaries into consideration, but I couldn't expect a yankess fan to ever do that...

lol at a Red Sox fan complaining about a team spending money.

I am not complaining, it is called value - go spend a bazillion dollars if you have to field a competitive team, oh wait you already did that the past 4 years.

 

[Gambino]

Does baseball have a salary cap?

 

[Tough As Nails]

That would be World Series Championships of the Yankees vs. Red Sox in the last Century or whatever. I'm not a fan of either team so I don't know the intricate details. Maybe it's 27-1. Maybe it's 23. I don't know. But I'll bet you do.

i c so you are one of those guys that like to sound knowledgeable by spouting off stats but in reality you are pretty ignorant?

Oh, I'm sorry...did I 'spout off'??? I just called Red Sox fans insecure...looks like I found somebody that fits the mold quite nicely.

especially if you take their salaries into consideration, but I couldn't expect a yankess fan to ever do that...

lol at a Red Sox fan complaining about a team spending money.

I am not complaining, it is called value - go spend a bazillion dollars if you have to field a competitive team, oh wait you already did that the past 4 years.

This just in...I'm am NOT a Yankees fan. Can't stand 'em.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Does baseball have a salary cap?

Maybe they should?2006 MLB Team Payrolls

Based Upon 2006 Season as of April 7, 2006

Rank Team Total Payroll

1 New York Yankees $194,663,079

2 Boston Red Sox $120,099,824

3 Los Angeles Angels $103,472,000

4 Chicago White Sox $102,750,667

5 New York Mets $101,084,963

6 Los Angeles Dodgers $98,447,187

7 Chicago Cubs $94,424,499

8 Houston Astros $92,551,503

9 Atlanta Braves $90,156,876

10 San Francisco Giants $90,056,419

11 St. Louis Cardinals $88,891,371

12 Philadelphia Phillies $88,273,333

13 Seattle Mariners $87,959,833

14 Detroit Tigers $82,612,866

15 Baltimore Orioles $72,585,582

16 Toronto Blue Jays $71,915,000

17 San Diego Padres $69,896,141

18 Texas Rangers $68,228,662

19 Minnesota Twins $63,396,006

20 Washington Nationals $63,143,000

21 Oakland Athletics $62,243,079

22 Cincinnati Reds $60,909,519

23 Arizona Diamondbacks $59,684,226

24 Milwaukee Brewers $57,568,333

25 Cleveland Indians $56,031,500

26 Kansas City Royals $47,294,000

27 Pittsburgh Pirates $46,717,750

28 Colorado Rockies $41,233,000

29 Tampa Bay Devil Rays $35,417,967

30 Florida Marlins $14,998,500

 

[ThisGuy]

especially if you take their salaries into consideration, but I couldn't expect a yankess fan to ever do that...

lol at a Red Sox fan complaining about a team spending money.

I am not complaining, it is called value - go spend a bazillion dollars if you have to field a competitive team, oh wait you already did that the past 4 years.

Because I care if the team I root for is THRIFTY!!

 

[KevT]

Does baseball have a salary cap?

Maybe they should?2006 MLB Team Payrolls

Based Upon 2006 Season as of April 7, 2006

Rank Team Total Payroll

1 New York Yankees $194,663,079

2 Boston Red Sox $120,099,824

3 Los Angeles Angels $103,472,000

4 Chicago White Sox $102,750,667

5 New York Mets $101,084,963

6 Los Angeles Dodgers $98,447,187

7 Chicago Cubs $94,424,499

8 Houston Astros $92,551,503

9 Atlanta Braves $90,156,876

Inaccurate list, not sure by how many teams it affects though. The Braves have around an 80 million payroll. They don't have to pay Renteria's 10 million contract because Boston is paying 8 million of it.

 

[guru_007]

I don't even know how you can put Ortiz in the same category, because he was up at the right time the last couple years and got important hits. So what??? he doesn't play the field, he doesnt make things happen on the bases, he only hits, and hits VERY well.

If he singles, all he does is extend an inning, if A-rod singles, you have to think more because he can steal a base and make things happen(ie go first to third).

Put Papi in the field and your defense gets remarkably worse....put A-rod in the field and your defense is remarkably improved.

Baseball is much more than hitting homeruns and walk offs and the people who obviously don't understand that picked Ortiz

maybe for your team, on the sox .981 (3rd) & .996 (SS) > .941 (ARod)

yea but think of it in baseball terms. those guys fielding pct is better than a-rod but they dont hold a candle to him at the plate. It is a package thing and A-rod is the total package.A rod is a 5 tool player

Those others including Ortiz are only about 3 or 4 tool

define candle please...
LowellAVG : .307SLG : .507OBP : .362OPS : .869PAY-RodAVG : .279SLG : .496OBP : .390OPS : .886

You aren't seriously comparing A-Rod to Mike Lowell offensively right...?

Yes. I am saying the gap is not as large as some yankees fans seem to think, ala can't hold a candle to A-Rod, looking at his stats this year he is no god...he hits for power and has more RBI's but Lowell is a damn fine hitter, especially if you take their salaries into consideration, but I couldn't expect a yankess fan to ever do that...Lowell

TB 139

GIDP 13

RBI 40

HR 9

XBH 36

BB/SO 1.00

A-Rod

TB 139

GIDP 12

RBI 55

HR 16

XBH 28

BB/SO 0.71

Taking a PARTIAL year's stats is pretty weak, inmho. Comparing Lowell offensively to AROD is ludicrous. Let's go career stats:ARod:

Avg - .307

Slg - .577

OPS - .962

Average RBI per season - 125

Average HR per season - 44

Lowell

Avg - .277

Slg - .461

OPS - .800

Average RBI per season - 95

Average HR per season - 23

Oh, and ARod is younger. Oh, and ARod has won two gold gloves vs. ONE for Lowell. Oh, and ARod's career numbers dominate Ortiz (I'm talking the same categories I have above). Oh, and ARod will probably end up with 300 steals.

The difference between ARod and Lowell is TREMENDOUS.

The difference between ARod and Ortiz is fairly slight in hitting, but TREMENDOUS is all other areas of the game. Furthermore, you can't quantify "clutch" so I don't know why this is even mentioned.

And why the hell isn't Jim Rice in the MLB HOF???? That's friggin BS.

 

[Jayded]

It would depend what my team needed. If I needed a clutch 3-4 hitter to jump start my offense and only that then I'd take Ortiz. If I needed a guy who is usually solid at the plate and can play GG caliber in the field when he puts his mind to it, then I take A-Rod.

As a Yankees fan I can't help but see why people love Ortiz. He's killed us lately. But since the Yankees currently already have a slew of DH's, assuming it was a trade that made this occur, replacing the offensive numbers and fielding of a new 3B to get Ortiz wouldn't be beneficial.

 

[Darth Cheney]

I don't even know how you can put Ortiz in the same category, because he was up at the right time the last couple years and got important hits.  So what??? he doesn't play the field, he doesnt make things happen on the bases, he only hits, and hits VERY well.

If he singles, all he does is extend an inning, if A-rod singles, you have to think more because he can steal a base and make things happen(ie go first to third).

Put Papi in the field and your defense gets remarkably worse....put A-rod in the field and your defense is remarkably improved.

Baseball is much more than hitting homeruns and walk offs and the people who obviously don't understand that picked Ortiz

maybe for your team, on the sox .981 (3rd) & .996 (SS) > .941 (ARod)

yea but think of it in baseball terms. those guys fielding pct is better than a-rod but they dont hold a candle to him at the plate. It is a package thing and A-rod is the total package.A rod is a 5 tool player

Those others including Ortiz are only about 3 or 4 tool

define candle please...
LowellAVG : .307SLG : .507OBP : .362OPS : .869PAY-RodAVG : .279SLG : .496OBP : .390OPS : .886

You aren't seriously comparing A-Rod to Mike Lowell offensively right...?

Yes. I am saying the gap is not as large as some yankees fans seem to think, ala can't hold a candle to A-Rod, looking at his stats this year he is no god...he hits for power and has more RBI's but Lowell is a damn fine hitter, especially if you take their salaries into consideration, but I couldn't expect a yankess fan to ever do that...Lowell

TB 139

GIDP 13

RBI 40

HR 9

XBH 36

BB/SO 1.00

A-Rod

TB 139

GIDP 12

RBI 55

HR 16

XBH 28

BB/SO 0.71

Taking a PARTIAL year's stats is pretty weak, inmho. Comparing Lowell offensively to AROD is ludicrous. Let's go career stats:ARod:

Avg - .307

Slg - .577

OPS - .962

Average RBI per season - 125

Average HR per season - 44

Lowell

Avg - .277

Slg - .461

OPS - .800

Average RBI per season - 95

Average HR per season - 23

Oh, and ARod is younger. Oh, and ARod has won two gold gloves vs. none for Lowell. Oh, and ARod's career numbers dominate Ortiz (I'm talking the same categories I have above). Oh, and ARod will probably end up with 300 steals.

The difference between ARod and Lowell is TREMENDOUS.

The difference between ARod and Ortiz is fairly slight in hitting, but TREMENDOUS is all other areas of the game. Furthermore, you can't quantify "clutch" so I don't know why this is even mentioned.

And why the hell isn't Jim Rice in the MLB HOF???? That's friggin BS.

You have a decent player in Mike Lowell and a player who has had a couple of good years but is not by any stretch a HOFer in Ortiz versus a sure fire HOFer in A-Rod. I know who I would take.

 

[Alias]

Oh, and ARod is younger. Oh, and ARod has won two gold gloves vs. none for Lowell.

Sorry I stopped right here, can you tell me who won the gold glove at 3B for the NL last season?

 

[shuke]

After 143 votes we only have 15 Yankees fans???

They haven't won a WS as recently, so they don't have as many whiney bandwagon fans as Boston does.

 

[shuke]

I always thought that the Yankees had the most annoying fans in the world, then the Red Sox got good. :X

Post of the century.

 

[guru_007]

Oh, and ARod is younger. Oh, and ARod has won two gold gloves vs. none for Lowell.

Sorry I stopped right here, can you tell me who won the gold glove at 3B for the NL last season?

Mike Lowell....sorry my computer screen didn't refresh with last year's gold glove winner. I'll edit my original post to reflect this.

 

[Workhorse]

Errors to date:

Youks (1B) - 4

Loretta (2B) - 3

Lowell (3B) - 4

Gonzo (SS) - 1

Total: 12

A-Rod (3B) - 13

 

[wilked]

I always thought that the Yankees had the most annoying fans in the world, then the Red Sox got good.  :X

Post of the century.

Let's not get carried away now™

 

[Alias]

Errors to date:

Youks (1B) - 4

Loretta (2B) - 3

Lowell (3B) - 4

Gonzo (SS) - 1

Total: 12

A-Rod (3B) - 13

but who cares about defense when you swing a big bat?

 

[Alias]

This is from Day 1 on, for an entire season, not just a particular situation.

Ignore salary in this particular poll, as most teams couldn't come close to affording A-Rod. I expect A-Rod to get a majority of the votes, as he's a more complete player, but I'm curious how far emotion and 'clutch' hitting will help out Big Papi.

ok so red sox fans are whiney tools and yankees fans ask people who they would rather have BUT let's not talk about actually having to pay his salary because it is a non-issue, right?Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Errors to date:

Youks (1B) - 4

Loretta (2B) - 3

Lowell (3B) - 4

Gonzo (SS) - 1

Total: 12

A-Rod (3B) - 13

but who cares about defense when you swing a big bat?

That's a good point. Looking at how many errors a player has is the perfect way to analyze how good he is defensively.

 

[shuke]

I always thought that the Yankees had the most annoying fans in the world, then the Red Sox got good.  :X

Post of the century.

Let's not get carried away now™

Sorry, good buddy, but it happened.

 

[David Yudkin]

Seeing that you can get two David Ortiz' salary wise for one A-Rod, I'm thinking Ortiz is a far better value.

 

[Workhorse]

Errors to date:

Youks (1B) - 4

Loretta (2B) - 3

Lowell (3B) - 4

Gonzo (SS) - 1

Total: 12

A-Rod (3B) - 13

but who cares about defense when you swing a big bat?

That's a good point. Looking at how many errors a player has is the perfect way to analyze how good he is defensively.

How about modified Zone Ratings?Defensive zone ratings through 6/22....

R/150:

Mike Lowell: +29

Alex Rodriguez: +1

 

[The foo]

Seeing that you can get two David Ortiz' salary wise for one A-Rod, I'm thinking Ortiz is a far better value.

Does that mean if im getting 9 Bake Mcbrides's mean im getting better value?

 

[Don Quixote]

Errors to date:

A-Rod (3B) - 13 16

Updated, after 3 errors tonight. Baseball Tonight crew suggesting ARod has come down with Chuck Knoblauch Disease.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Errors to date:

A-Rod (3B) - 13 16

Updated, after 3 errors tonight. Baseball Tonight crew suggesting ARod has come down with Chuck Knoblauch Disease.

Whew. And I thought BT might overreact.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Errors to date:

A-Rod (3B) - 13 16

Updated, after 3 errors tonight. Baseball Tonight crew suggesting ARod has come down with Chuck Knoblauch Disease.

Whew. And I thought BT might overreact.

 

[Don Quixote]

Errors to date:

A-Rod (3B) - 13 16

Updated, after 3 errors tonight. Baseball Tonight crew suggesting ARod has come down with Chuck Knoblauch Disease.

Whew. And I thought BT might overreact.

They started going on about ARod DHing, Giambi playing first, and the pain they will suffer when it bumps Andy Phillips out of the lineup.

 

[Pat Patriot]

I always thought that the Yankees had the most annoying fans in the world, then the Red Sox got good. :X

Jon, you know you love us.

 

[Your Mom]

Errors to date:

A-Rod (3B) - 13 16

Updated, after 3 errors tonight. Baseball Tonight crew suggesting ARod has come down with Chuck Knoblauch Disease.

Whew. And I thought BT might overreact.

I am glad P. Gammons is out of the hospital and doing ok. Hope he comes back to the show soon because it is a joke. john Kruk is a moron. He makes no sense. Sounds like a guy that never seen a baseball game. A-rod had a tough night. He isnt the greatest 3rd basemen but he gets to more balls than most guys and that will lead to more errors. A-rod is fine, relax Kruk.

 

[Pat Patriot]

I dont understand the concept of calling fans of a championship team whiny tools. Jealousy is the only thing I can come up with. Their team just won the championship, they have nothing to whine about. Its fans of all those other non-championship teams that seem to be whining.

 

[Keys Myaths]

I dont understand the concept of calling fans of a championship team whiny tools. Jealousy is the only thing I can come up with. Their team just won the championship, they have nothing to whine about. Its fans of all those other non-championship teams that seem to be whining.

Who called White Sox fans whiny tools in here?

 

[Pat Patriot]

Do a search for Gridiron Assassin. You'll have your answer.

If the Astros ever win anything, you would get the same treatment.

Or do you only root for Umpires and Referees not teams?

 

[Raider Nation]

Well, at least we know which one lasted longer.