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OSCARS - 88th. Leo finally. Spotlight = best movie. (1 Viewer)

Spotlight was pretty great. Probably would have picked that or The Revenant if I had a vote. Mad Max right up there as well.

 
lakerstan said:
Spotlight was good, but it won't go down as an all time great.  Weak year overall for movies.
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Disagree completely.  I think Spotlight and The Revenant were fantastic.  Of course I thought Sicario was fantastic and Mad Max was a bore, so what do I know?

 
KarmaPolice said:
GTFO - the movie industry is dying?
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Yes, particularly for the kind of content rewarded here. 

Film has such a diminishing resonance to younger people and it's being surpassed by television in terms of relevance and dialogue 

And these ratings for this telecast fall every year. 

There will be avengers and Star Wars til the cows come home, but film, this kind of film, has peaked.  Instead of celebrating or selling the business, they did this bizarre character assault of the industry. 

 
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Favorite moment by far:

Standing ovation for "The Maestro", 87 year old Ennio Morricone, who has scored well over 500 films, winning his first individual Best Score Oscar (he had a controversial loss in 1996 for The Mission when some of the original score was deemed recycled from a previous jazz arrangement). He got a lifetime achievement award for his body of work nearly a decade ago in 2007. The score for H8teful Eight was Tarantino's first to feature an all original score, Morricone's first western in three and a half decades and first for a Hollywood production since Ripley's Game in nearly a decade and a half. He just received a star on the Hollywood "Walk Of Fame" this past Friday, 2-26-16 (good time to do it, being in town for the Oscars).

My favorite Morricone score element - Ecstasy Of Gold from The Good, The Bad And The Ugly. He was one of the first film scorers I can think of that gave characters leitmotifs (Charles Bronson with the harmonica in Once Upon A Time In The West, for instance) like a Wagner opera. His most famous partnership, with Sergio Leone, was innovative in that the director would play music in progress on the set to get the cast into the mood, and he would later cut the film to the rhythm of the score, rather than Morricone composing timed cues to the finished film.



 
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Smack Tripper said:
Yes, particularly for the kind of content rewarded here. 

Film has such a diminishing resonance to younger people and it's being surpassed by television in terms of relevance and dialogue 

And these ratings for this telecast fall every year. 

There will be avengers and Star Wars til the cows come home, but film, this kind of film, has peaked.  Instead of celebrating or selling the business, they did this bizarre character assault of the industry. 
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I think there are more options. TV has gotten so good because of the technology among other factors.

Think Hollywood getting preachy has very little to do with people's decisions to go see a movie nominated for an Oscar.

 
The General said:
I think there are more options. TV has gotten so good because of the technology among other factors.

Think Hollywood getting preachy has very little to do with people's decisions to go see a movie nominated for an Oscar.
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I agree, but a joyless dirge like this night doesn't help matters. 

I know there has been a rich history of using this night as a platform for agendas.  And at the end of the day, these are industry awards. They can do what they please. But it happens to be one of the most popular industries in the world and one that sells on a very public level. 

These people carry on as if the platform was what it was even ten years ago. It's not. It's going away. Not overnight and never altogether but this is a night to sell what you're about, sell the good, sell the uniqueness of film where you future just consumes through netflix. 

And they get this relentlessly heavy handed crap. 

4 separate segments, at least, dedicated to the lack of black nominees. One dedicated to the apparently pressing issue of campus sexual assault, Leo finally gets his big moment takes up the plight of indigenous people, and what exactly are we supposed to do about them?

And if people want black award winners , where are the black writers, black indie directors and black producers making serious black film? I saw one great black indie movie this year, Dope. And dope deserved some recognition tonight.    But where and what are the other snubs other than possibly Michael p. Jordan?   

 
Smack Tripper said:
I agree, but a joyless dirge like this night doesn't help matters. 

I know there has been a rich history of using this night as a platform for agendas.  And at the end of the day, these are industry awards. They can do what they please. But it happens to be one of the most popular industries in the world and one that sells on a very public level. 

These people carry on as if the platform was what it was even ten years ago. It's not. It's going away. Not overnight and never altogether but this is a night to sell what you're about, sell the good, sell the uniqueness of film where you future just consumes through netflix. 

And they get this relentlessly heavy handed crap. 

4 separate segments, at least, dedicated to the lack of black nominees. One dedicated to the apparently pressing issue of campus sexual assault, Leo finally gets his big moment takes up the plight of indigenous people, and what exactly are we supposed to do about them?

And if people want black award winners , where are the black writers, black indie directors and black producers making serious black film? I saw one great black indie movie this year, Dope. And dope deserved some recognition tonight.    But where and what are the other snubs other than possibly Michael p. Jordan?   
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As I watched Beasts Of No Nation, I was certain I was watching Idris Elba win the best supporting actor award. And then he didn't even get nominated. But there were plenty of non-black snubs too (Carrell in Big Short, the score in Mad Max, and Sicario for multiple categories). If Will and Jada were all pissy about him not getting nominated for Concussion, I'd love to know which of the best actor noms they think should have been removed. I didn't see Concussion yet, but all those other dudes were awesome in their respective films.

 
Smack Tripper said:
Smack Tripper said:
I agree, but a joyless dirge like this night doesn't help matters. 

I know there has been a rich history of using this night as a platform for agendas.  And at the end of the day, these are industry awards. They can do what they please. But it happens to be one of the most popular industries in the world and one that sells on a very public level. 

These people carry on as if the platform was what it was even ten years ago. It's not. It's going away. Not overnight and never altogether but this is a night to sell what you're about, sell the good, sell the uniqueness of film where you future just consumes through netflix. 

And they get this relentlessly heavy handed crap. 

4 separate segments, at least, dedicated to the lack of black nominees. One dedicated to the apparently pressing issue of campus sexual assault, Leo finally gets his big moment takes up the plight of indigenous people, and what exactly are we supposed to do about them?

And if people want black award winners , where are the black writers, black indie directors and black producers making serious black film? I saw one great black indie movie this year, Dope. And dope deserved some recognition tonight.    But where and what are the other snubs other than possibly Michael p. Jordan?   
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What are you talking about?  Sure it was a bit much tonight, but Oscar night has always been used as a soapbox for nominees and winners.  I guess I don't see why tonight's ceremony was so much worse than what they have been putting out there for the last several years. 

 
Michael Brown said:
As I watched Beasts Of No Nation, I was certain I was watching Idris Elba win the best supporting actor award. And then he didn't even get nominated. But there were plenty of non-black snubs too (Carrell in Big Short, the score in Mad Max, and Sicario for multiple categories). If Will and Jada were all pissy about him not getting nominated for Concussion, I'd love to know which of the best actor noms they think should have been removed. I didn't see Concussion yet, but all those other dudes were awesome in their respective films.
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And to be fair, the movie in essence debuted on netflix despite a qualifying run for eligibility. I suspect there was a push to not reward that model of distribution. 

You used to sell a single movie six times domestically:

theatical, home rental/sales, cable distribution, network distribution and syndicated/cable distribution. 

Those revenue streams aren't what they were and technology had simply diminished some. A straight to streaming model is not one to be sought before necessary. 

So I think that weighed on beasts snub as much as anything 

 
Michael Brown said:
As I watched Beasts Of No Nation, I was certain I was watching Idris Elba win the best supporting actor award. And then he didn't even get nominated. But there were plenty of non-black snubs too (Carrell in Big Short, the score in Mad Max, and Sicario for multiple categories). If Will and Jada were all pissy about him not getting nominated for Concussion, I'd love to know which of the best actor noms they think should have been removed. I didn't see Concussion yet, but all those other dudes were awesome in their respective films.
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Yeah, let's please not turn this into the NFL where we have to nominate a certain % of certain people each year. 

I agree with Tripper's point above.  It needs to change from the ground up.  Maybe they are, but if the Smith's are so pissed about this, are they helping with scholarships, etc.. for black students trying to get into film?  Do they have a film company set up to help greenlight some black movies?  Just seems like way too much heat is thrown at the people doing the nominating when I didn't see a performance otherwise that stood out more than the ones up for the acting categories. 

 
Smack Tripper said:
And to be fair, the movie in essence debuted on netflix despite a qualifying run for eligibility. I suspect there was a push to not reward that model of distribution. 

You used to sell a single movie six times domestically:

theatical, home rental/sales, cable distribution, network distribution and syndicated/cable distribution. 

Those revenue streams aren't what they were and technology had simply diminished some. A straight to streaming model is not one to be sought before necessary. 

So I think that weighed on beasts snub as much as anything 
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This I agree with 100%. There is no way were going to acknowledge a movie that bypassed theaters.

 
I found it more annoying than usual that they managed to find time for lame skits like the girl scout cookies thing, but they have to play every award winner out after 1 minute. We're probably not going to hear from most of these people again, let them have an extra 20 seconds for their acceptance speech. Somehow I think I'll be entertained even if it costs us a few less minutes of Whoopie Goldberg.

 
just wanted to say...

DiCaprio, Redmayne, Fassbender, Damon and Cranston is a phenomenal line-up for Best Actor.

That's with players like Hanks, Will Smith, Carrell and maybe Keaton watching from the side.

 
Chris Rock calling "Hollywood" (i.e. Everyone in the room) out as racists right to their faces made for a pretty awkward opening here. 

 
I have to be completely honest...before last night I'd never even heard of Spotlight. Guess I didn't pay much attention to movies this year.

 
Smack Tripper said:
I agree, but a joyless dirge like this night doesn't help matters. 

I know there has been a rich history of using this night as a platform for agendas.  And at the end of the day, these are industry awards. They can do what they please. But it happens to be one of the most popular industries in the world and one that sells on a very public level. 

These people carry on as if the platform was what it was even ten years ago. It's not. It's going away. Not overnight and never altogether but this is a night to sell what you're about, sell the good, sell the uniqueness of film where you future just consumes through netflix. 

And they get this relentlessly heavy handed crap. 

4 separate segments, at least, dedicated to the lack of black nominees. One dedicated to the apparently pressing issue of campus sexual assault, Leo finally gets his big moment takes up the plight of indigenous people, and what exactly are we supposed to do about them?

And if people want black award winners , where are the black writers, black indie directors and black producers making serious black film? I saw one great black indie movie this year, Dope. And dope deserved some recognition tonight.    But where and what are the other snubs other than possibly Michael p. Jordan?   
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It is funny that the industry spends much of the night complaining about a problem which they have 100 percent control over. 

 
The biggest logical disconnect is that the people watching the Oscars, the fans, have zero control over the resolution of the problem.

Probably three people in the entire viewing audience know an Academy voting member. So then they're subjected to four hours of family squabble interspersed by moments of self glorification and Joe Biden yelling at them.

 
KarmaPolice said:
What are you talking about?  Sure it was a bit much tonight, but Oscar night has always been used as a soapbox for nominees and winners.  I guess I don't see why tonight's ceremony was so much worse than what they have been putting out there for the last several years. 
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The issue I would take with last night is, you addressed it.  You gave the entire monologue to this topic and I would very much argue, deservedly so. Had to address it. Now, in my opinion, it didn't click, and rock is one of the five best black comedians ever. It was such a tentative handling of this and the audience went into their shell of "is it ok to laugh at this" so the whole thing didn't really go over but you opened and said your peace up front. 

I'm not expecting and nor do I want song and dance billy crystal stuff but at least he brought a focus to the films while often interweaving comedy and current events.  Or trying anyway. 

There was the one hybrid skit with Chris rock as the Martian , that whole gimmick but again it was heavy handed brow beating of this.   To have two more segments in this at the expense of the people that were here and nominated, it was overdone to me. And I guess like anything, if it was funny it would be better. 

Eddie Murphy doing throw away improv filler off script almost 30 years ago was funnier and hit more of a home run last night than anything they hit upon. 

The oscars next year should institute a system by which a white nominee can decline their nomination so that a minority can be acknowledged. Let's put some skin in this game for real. Wonder how many will bow out?

 
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Show is way too long, it isn't the Grammy's so they should just cut out individual performances for Best Song.  Save a good chunk of time right there.  

 
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