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OSCARS - 88th. Leo finally. Spotlight = best movie. (1 Viewer)

Me: "Oof. Whoopi's tattoo is kinda rough looking."

Wife: "Yeah. You'd think she would have started with her eyebrows instead of her shoulder."

 
PIK95 said:
I watched it last night and I thought it was very well done.  I grew up Irish Catholic with most of my extended family living in Providence Rhode Island, and the rest spread from Boston South.  Even as kids in the 80's it was common knowledge that many of the priests were didlers.  Luckily, my family was very overprotective and not very trusting, so my cousins and I were not allowed anywhere near priests (or any church officials) as kids.  

When that Father Porter stuff went down, that was pretty much the beginning of the end for church life in our family/community.  

On a side note, I am now pretty much convinced something happened with one of my oldest cousins who was heavily involved with their church until his early teens.  I was little but I remember my grandma crying and my crazy aunt talking about the Devil infultrating the church.  My cousins all stopped being involved (one was an alter boy or something) and everyone stopped going to church.  That one cousin is a crack head and lives under a bridge now.  It's pretty sad.
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Whoa. That sounds pretty bad with your cousin, sorry to hear that. Messed up indeed. 

Agree on Spotlight. Didn't want to see it really but it was a really well done movie. Pretty much told that awful story in a perfect way. 

 
Andy Dufresne said:
You heard me.
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I am curious about your reasons for this statement.  What roles have people thought were great that you didn't?

Looking back, he has been great from the start - Gilbert Grape & Basketball Diaries.  I don't always love the movies he is in, but rarely is he not one of the better things going on onscreen.  (ie - Django).  Maybe the few movie stretch from Titanic to The Beach soured people on him or something?

 
Even the black bears were passed over for casting opportunities this year.  Sure, the Grizzly in the revenant was a brown bear, but they could have cast a black one had they wanted.

 
They had an italian guy win for best score, a mexican won best director, and it seemed like for every other award they had an accent of some kind.  That seems diverse.  Are we really supposed to be outraged becasue the fresh prince of bel air didnt get a nomination?

 
KarmaPolice said:
I am curious about your reasons for this statement.  What roles have people thought were great that you didn't?

Looking back, he has been great from the start - Gilbert Grape & Basketball Diaries.  I don't always love the movies he is in, but rarely is he not one of the better things going on onscreen.  (ie - Django).  Maybe the few movie stretch from Titanic to The Beach soured people on him or something?
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He was better in Gilbert Grape and Aviator than The Revenant.

I wasn't impressed with his Revenant performance. I thought it was just a bunch of grunting and crawling.

He was almost bad in Inception (and I like Inception).

I dunno. I just don't find him particularly nuanced.

 
11 hours ago, Bob Magaw said:

Favorite moment by far:

Standing ovation for "The Maestro", 87 year old Ennio Morricone, who has scored well over 500 films, winning his first individual Best Score Oscar (he had a controversial loss in 1996 for The Mission when some of the original score was deemed recycled from a previous jazz arrangement). He got a lifetime achievement award for his body of work nearly a decade ago in 2007. The score for H8teful Eight was Tarantino's first to feature an all original score, Morricone's first western in three and a half decades and first for a Hollywood production since Ripley's Game in nearly a decade and a half. He just received a star on the Hollywood "Walk Of Fame" this past Friday, 2-26-16 (good time to do it, being in town for the Oscars).

My favorite Morricone score element - Ecstasy Of Gold from The Good, The Bad And The Ugly. He was one of the first film scorers I can think of that gave characters leitmotifs (Charles Bronson with the harmonica in Once Upon A Time In The West, for instance) like a Wagner opera. His most famous partnership, with Sergio Leone, was innovative in that the director would play music in progress on the set to get the cast into the mood, and he would later cut the film to the rhythm of the score, rather than Morricone composing timed cues to the finished film.

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Totally agree. I was rooting for this one more than any other category.

Once Upon A Time In America is the greatest score in the history of film.

 
Binky The Doormat said:
:lmao:   "Fight the Power" - all of that was so heavy handed, its got to be a joke.  

Even if it's not supposed to be - it's pretty GD funny.
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I don't know.  The writing for this show was so awful I don't think they were that clever.  Just continuing to beat the dead horse.

 
KarmaPolice said:
I am curious about your reasons for this statement.  What roles have people thought were great that you didn't?

Looking back, he has been great from the start - Gilbert Grape & Basketball Diaries.  I don't always love the movies he is in, but rarely is he not one of the better things going on onscreen.  (ie - Django).  Maybe the few movie stretch from Titanic to The Beach soured people on him or something?
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Don't forget Critters 3

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Neither was Mad Max. But both looked and sounded cool.

I'm just saying that movies are for the entertainment of many and the enlightenment of few. I think the Academy and self-important thespians forget that.
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Yes to the bolded. No to Mad Max which was by far my favorite movie of 2015 by a landslide. 

And no Leo is far from overrated. He is one of the very best in film for the last decade or so. I love a bunch of films. He finally got a long deserved Oscar.

Catch Me If You Can

Blood Diamond

The Aviator

Shutter Island

The Departed

The Wolf Of Wall Street

Gangs Of New York

Dejango Unchained

All awesome roles. 

 
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I saw all the best picture nominees except for Room, and I think they got that award right by giving it to Spotlight. If you haven't seen it yet, you should check it out.

Also, if you have any interest in the Revenant, make sure you see it on a big screen with an awesome sound system. The cinematography and score (which it somehow didn't get nominated for) are great, by far the best things about that movie.

 
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Blood Diamond is one of the worst movies I've ever seen in a theater.  Horrible accent, horrible script, ridiculous plot then at the very end of the movie, after we've suffered through the heavy-handed message that WE AMERICANS are the cause of all the diamond problems, they hit us over the head yet again at the end with a written message right before the credits roll.  Put me in the overrated camp for Leo.  

 
Gr00vus said:
I saw all the best picture nominees except for Room, and I think they got that award right by giving it to Spotlight. If you haven't see it yet, you should check it out.
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Will definitely see it.

 
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Tiger Fan said:
I thought Rock did a good job of balancing the seriousness of the topic with making fun about it :shrug:
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I dunno.  I thought it was awkward.  Especially when he calls out Leo for getting good parts and the camera zooming in on Leo.  Guy had to be thinking "jackhole, first of all, I get good parts because I'm one of the best actors on the planet, and second of all, one of the reasons all my parts are so good is because I'm a good ####ing actor."

Fell flat for me.  Not an angry white guy.  All for making fun of people and calling for equality.  But it didn't seem like the way to go about it. :shrug:

 
Otis said:
I dunno.  I thought it was awkward.  Especially when he calls out Leo for getting good parts and the camera zooming in on Leo.  Guy had to be thinking "jackhole, first of all, I get good parts because I'm one of the best actors on the planet, and second of all, one of the reasons all my parts are so good is because I'm a good ####ing actor."

Fell flat for me.  Not an angry white guy.  All for making fun of people and calling for equality.  But it didn't seem like the way to go about it. :shrug:
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Yeah, that's what I thought when they zoomed in on Leo. He was probably pissed about that comment....I know I would be.

 
Scoresman said:
They had an italian guy win for best score, a mexican won best director, and it seemed like for every other award they had an accent of some kind.  That seems diverse.  Are we really supposed to be outraged becasue the fresh prince of bel air didnt get a nomination?
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Correct.  People are acting like it was just a bunch of white people winning and nominated. 

 
Andy Dufresne said:
He was better in Gilbert Grape and Aviator than The Revenant.

I wasn't impressed with his Revenant performance. I thought it was just a bunch of grunting and crawling.

He was almost bad in Inception (and I like Inception).

I dunno. I just don't find him particularly nuanced.
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I think the win last night was more for two main reasons: 1.  what he went through for the part, and 2. a bit of a lifetime achievement award.

Just seems to me that he is one of the few big name actors that seems to be able to do it all at a high level.  I have come around on him quite a bit. 

I am sure there are people I am forgetting, but who else is better than him working today?  I would think he has to be in a top 10 list of people working today if we made a list.

 
Scoresman said:
They had an italian guy win for best score, a mexican won best director, and it seemed like for every other award they had an accent of some kind.  That seems diverse.  Are we really supposed to be outraged becasue the fresh prince of bel air didnt get a nomination?
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Well, he does have A point, 

Now, this is a story all about howhis life got flipped-turned upside downAnd I'd like to take a minuteJust sit right thereI'll tell you how he became the prince of a town called Bel Air

 
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Lady Gaga's performance kind of puzzled me.  Ok, I get she was sexually abused.  And all the others were as well.  But what is the point of the lyrics?  Are people who haven't been sexually abused supposed to turn a blind eye because we don't understand?  Are we not supposed to show empathy and compassion because we haven't been raped?  I don't get it.  

 
KarmaPolice said:
I think the win last night was more for two main reasons: 1.  what he went through for the part, and 2. a bit of a lifetime achievement award.

Just seems to me that he is one of the few big name actors that seems to be able to do it all at a high level.  I have come around on him quite a bit. 

I am sure there are people I am forgetting, but who else is better than him working today?  I would think he has to be in a top 10 list of people working today if we made a list.
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The guy has a pretty solid resume, The Revenant, Wolf of Wall Street, The Departed, The Avaitor, Catch Me if You Can, Gangs of New York, Titanic, Basketball Diaries and Gilbert Grape.  He has had a few clunkers but what actor out there hasn't?  He typically brings a solid performance and his track record of delivering solid returns for studios I'm sure doesn't hurt him being offered great roles.  Additionally, he gets credit in my book for being smart enough not to get married yet.

 
KarmaPolice said:
Correct.  People are acting like it was just a bunch of white people winning and nominated. 
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My understanding was that the complaint was about the lack of acting nominations, which was supposedly emblematic of or a product of the relative lack of good roles for minority actors.  I don't think it was about diversity in nominees in general, or even necessarily just about the acting nominations.  I think the idea is that unless a part specifically calls for a black character (or a Hispanic character or whatever) it almost always goes to a white person.

Out of curiosity I looked at the last 10 years of Best Actor nominees. About half of them were fictional characters, meaning they could have cast anyone.  Only one of those roles was given to a black actor (Denzel Washington in Flight).  On the women's side there's been two, but they were both roles that pretty much had to be given to a black actress- Precious and the girl from Beasts of the Southern Wild. 

So of all the Oscar-nominated lead roles over the last decade that could have gone to anyone, probably somewhere around 40-50, only one went to a black person.

Is that a problem?  If so, what's to blame?  Beats me. But that's the complaint.

 
Would it have been so wild if a film set in Boston in 2003 had a single person of color among a huge ensemble cast?

I love McAdams but that was a nothing part as well.

 
Leo is one of my favorite actors ever, but I wish he would have won for something else. He did a better job in most of the movies listed above, and just about all of them were more entertaining than The Revenant IMO. If I had a vote, I'd have chosen Cranston

 
Daywalker said:
Would it have been so wild if a film set in Boston in 2003 had a single person of color among a huge ensemble cast?

I love McAdams but that was a nothing part as well.
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Except those were real people.  You can still argue that there's an issue with the disparity in nominations, but then the question is why stories of real black people doing stuff don't get made into movies as often, or why those movies aren't given as much Oscar consideration.  A much more complicated question I think.

 
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TobiasFunke said:
My understanding was that the complaint was about the lack of acting nominations, which was supposedly emblematic of or a product of the relative lack of good roles for minority actors.  I don't think it was about diversity in nominees in general, or even necessarily just about the acting nominations.  I think the idea is that unless a part specifically calls for a black character (or a Hispanic character or whatever) it almost always goes to a white person.

Out of curiosity I looked at the last 10 years of Best Actor nominees. About half of them were fictional characters, meaning they could have cast anyone.  Only one of those roles was given to a black actor (Denzel Washington in Flight).  On the women's side there's been two, but they were both roles that pretty much had to be given to a black actress- Precious and the girl from Beasts of the Southern Wild. 

So of all the Oscar-nominated lead roles over the last decade that could have gone to anyone, probably somewhere around 40-50, only one went to a black person.

Is that a problem?  If so, what's to blame?  Beats me. But that's the complaint.
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Fair enough, and you bring up some good questions. 

The blame was being placed at the foot of The Academy, but as Rock pointed out is probably more institutional and needs help from the ground up.  Are the producers to blame, as I assume they oversee everything and do a lot of the hiring?  What about the casting directors who find the people for the movie?  Is there enough opportunity for black voices in these positions and for them to make films they want to make?  If not, what is a solution to that problem? 

It is an interesting discussion, but one that isn't solved by boycotting the Oscars for sure. 

 
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Willie Neslon said:
They were playing actual people. What role could have been cast black?
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Don't be surprised if you start to see white roles being cast with blacks.  Seriously.  I saw Dickens Christmas a Carol at the Hartford Stage in December and there was a black actor in the troupe who played multiple different roles throughout the play, including mid 20's Scrooge.  It was ridiculous.

 
Higgs said:
Don't be surprised if you start to see white roles being cast with blacks.  Seriously.  I saw Dickens Christmas a Carol at the Hartford Stage in December and there was a black actor in the troupe who played multiple different roles throughout the play, including mid 20's Scrooge.  It was ridiculous.
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It wasn't a documentary :shrug:

 
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