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Otis fad diet thread — yoga, fasting, and kevzilla walking on🚶‍♂️ (2 Viewers)

Back down to 194.8 this morning which was encouraging.  Really hoping I can keep momentum into the 180s here.  Haven't been that light since before I turned 21.  I turn 43 next week.  

 
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I think I'll declare a one week moratorium on dieting. Still eat mostly healthy but not being militant about that,

Another BBQ today, SB on Sunday, Flying out Tuesday for good. It makes dieting seem rather impossible.

 
msommer said:
I think I'll declare a one week moratorium on dieting. Still eat mostly healthy but not being militant about that,

Another BBQ today, SB on Sunday, Flying out Tuesday for good. It makes dieting seem rather impossible.
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Just skip breakfast.  Pretty simple was to curtail over eating.  

 
msommer said:
I think I'll declare a one week moratorium on dieting. Still eat mostly healthy but not being militant about that,

Another BBQ today, SB on Sunday, Flying out Tuesday for good. It makes dieting seem rather impossible.
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So your one week moratorium will set you back around a month from achieving your goals.  That's fine and all just be prepared for the reality.

 
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So your one week moratorium will set you back around a month from achieving your goals.  That's fine and all just be prepared for the reality.
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That's easy, don't have a goal ;)

Not going to go nuts and go on the all presidential nutritional scheme. Apart from the BBQ/SB I'll eat what I have in the freezer/fridge, there might just be more meat than normal the next week or so (since I have a bit of that in the freezer). Then when I get back to Denmark I can settle into a new routine

 
msommer said:
That's easy, don't have a goal ;)

Not going to go nuts and go on the all presidential nutritional scheme. Apart from the BBQ/SB I'll eat what I have in the freezer/fridge, there might just be more meat than normal the next week or so (since I have a bit of that in the freezer). Then when I get back to Denmark I can settle into a new routine
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I'm really not trying to say don't have fun, just if you watch a little bit you can have fun without crushing your progress to date.  That's all.  I'm in full agreement that we all need a "break" from constant dieting and exercising, just that letting go just a little can often lead to losing your handle altogether.  Posting from personal experience here.

Enjoy your trip!

 
I knew there was a reason to not jump on a scale every day. Went up 1.4 el bees since yesterdays weigh in. I did not have a particularly bad day. I told myself not to do it, but did it anyway. :sadbanana:   

 
Oh man. Just oh man. Last night we went to the hotel bar and I drank all the alcohols. 

And then I raided the snacks. 

OOF

 
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Summary of my January progress of Operation Phoenix (a new Cheeseypoof out of the ashes of the old Cheeseypoof):

Weight:

1/1/17:  335.6 lbs 

2/1/17:  319.8 lbs

16 lb loss.

Nutrition (Ave. Caloric intake):

Breakfast:  339 cal

Lunch:  483 cal

Dinner:  564 cal

Morning Snack:  146 cal

Afternoon Snack:  168 cal

Evening Snack:  277 cal

Ave Daily Total:  1883 cal

Those numbers are based upon the entries I made using MyFitnessPal from 1/3/17-1/31/17.  I began separating the snacks into morning, afternoon and evening on 1/17/17.  As the month went along I definitely refined my entries to more adequately reflect my eating (I think so anyway).  When I set up MFP originally, it gave me total daily calorie intake of 2210 cal/day to meet my goal.  Around 1/17/17 I adjusted that to 2000 cal/day.  I only exceeded 2000 calories once after that change.  That was all basically through dietary changes.  I basically went cold turkey on sugary stuff (soda, cakes, cookies, etc.) after my diabetes diagnosis.  Surprisingly I'm not really missing that stuff either.  I'm slowly adding aerobic exercise using my recumbent bike.

I think I'm doing pretty well so far and am quite proud of myself.  It's getting a little easier and the achievements are providing incentive to keep it up.

This challenge/thread has also helped a lot.  Thanks for listening.  

Cheeseypoof

 
@Sand

Must have forgot to "submit reply" because I know I typed up a weigh in post late Monday.  253.2 lbs for my evening weigh-in day early and that was duplicate the next morning.  Down 25.6 lbs on the month.

 
cheeseypoof said:
LOL. No.  A mustache and I only shave1-2 times a week.  That count.

It's an indoor stationary recumbent bike.  I only got that style cause it was rated to accommodate my fat self.
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Sorry, without a beard you will not burn any calories.  This is proven.

 
I just want to say that there are a lot of guys really making good progress in here. It's awesome to see. Keep it up! 

 
proninja said:
After a crap year and head injury/brain surgery recovery, I gained a ton of weight (50ish pounds.) I lost around 20 pounds in September/October after deciding to get my diet reigned in, and then from Sept-Jan had two hospital stays, two courses of IV antibiotics, an infection in my gut, bacterial meningitis, brain surgery, and the birth of our second child. I'm kind of annoyed I gained most of the weight back, but when I look back at the last few months I'm not *too* upset with myself, as it turns out life has kinda happened. 

So, speaking of broscience, I'm starting Tim Ferris's slow carb diet as of this morning. Mostly because that's really similar to how I like to eat anyway, and I'm going to need to do something forever. Simple, repeatable food, with a cheat meal/day every week, and 1-2 glasses of red wine at night. I'm not in the contest, but I'm with you in spirit. 
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Man, I thought I had a tough year.  Hang in there brother.

 
proninja said:
After a crap year and head injury/brain surgery recovery, I gained a ton of weight (50ish pounds.) I lost around 20 pounds in September/October after deciding to get my diet reigned in, and then from Sept-Jan had two hospital stays, two courses of IV antibiotics, an infection in my gut, bacterial meningitis, brain surgery, and the birth of our second child. I'm kind of annoyed I gained most of the weight back, but when I look back at the last few months I'm not *too* upset with myself, as it turns out life has kinda happened. 

So, speaking of broscience, I'm starting Tim Ferris's slow carb diet as of this morning. Mostly because that's really similar to how I like to eat anyway, and I'm going to need to do something forever. Simple, repeatable food, with a cheat meal/day every week, and 1-2 glasses of red wine at night. I'm not in the contest, but I'm with you in spirit. 
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So what makes you think it'll help you lose weight? :oldunsure:  

 
kutta said:
I just want to say that there are a lot of guys really making good progress in here. It's awesome to see. Keep it up! 
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I fear that if this keeps up, next year's contest may be in jeopardy.    I'm torn.  

 
I've been struggling mentally since late November.  I was on a six week eating junket (Thanksgiving followed by 5 days New Orleans - a week in Carmel, CA - 5 days San Francisco - 2 days Healdsburg, CA - 10 days in Brussels) and after being off the program for that long I just can't find the motivation to consistently eat well and my activity level is way down too. Haven't gone on a run in weeks and I'm barely logging 3,500 steps per day.  I'm holding consistently at 190lbs but I haven't been able to break through and get back to my preferred 180lbs.

It is frustrating sometimes that I can take years building up good habits, and building upon those good habits, follow them consistently but if I don't remain truly vigilant at all times I can still fall back to old habits with alarming speed.

Might a week of potatoes in my future.

 
Chaka said:
I've been struggling mentally since late November.  I was on a six week eating junket (Thanksgiving followed by 5 days New Orleans - a week in Carmel, CA - 5 days San Francisco - 2 days Healdsburg, CA - 10 days in Brussels) and after being off the program for that long I just can't find the motivation to consistently eat well and my activity level is way down too. Haven't gone on a run in weeks and I'm barely logging 3,500 steps per day.  I'm holding consistently at 190lbs but I haven't been able to break through and get back to my preferred 180lbs.

It is frustrating sometimes that I can take years building up good habits, and building upon those good habits, follow them consistently but if I don't remain truly vigilant at all times I can still fall back to old habits with alarming speed.

Might a week of potatoes in my future.
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"How are those hot little potatoes?"

/Moira

 
culdeus said:
Wanna break that down for me. 
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lol

your liver helps monitor, process sugar.  when booze enters the system, the liver sees it as a poison and stops doing what it normally does and tries to process the poison out.  this allows your blood sugar to drop because your body isn't releasing it's normal levels of glucose.  making you hungry and crave sweets.  

 
DA RAIDERS said:
lol

your liver helps monitor, process sugar.  when booze enters the system, the liver sees it as a poison and stops doing what it normally does and tries to process the poison out.  this allows your blood sugar to drop because your body isn't releasing it's normal levels of glucose.  making you hungry and crave sweets.  
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Ok, breaking this down into components for ease.

  • your liver helps monitor, process sugar.

    Sort of, in response to lower levels of insulin the liver will release sugar but this is true not just of the liver but several organs and tissue groups.  
  • The liver doesn't exactly process or monitor sugar.  It might control release of sugar into the bloostream but to call that function "monitor, process" is somewhat misleading.

[*]when booze enters the system, the liver sees it as a poison and stops doing what it normally does and tries to process the poison out.

  • Again, sort of.  Ethanol will denature and one of the byproducts is NADp which is oxidized and reduced. It just so happens that this isn't super difficult for the liver to do and it seems to have a preference to do the easy tasks sooner probably because it's lazy.
  • There's nothing intrinsically poisonous about booze,  many of the same byproducts formed by oxidizing ethanol are formed when you have a very sweet drink with lots of fructose (Think smoothie king).  These can get so strong that a smaller woman can in certain circumstances show a non 0 BAC test which attempts in part to set out to detect these oxidized byproducts after having a post workout smoothie.

[*] this allows your blood sugar to drop because your body isn't releasing it's normal levels of glucose.

  • You are making a spurious assumption here with some fairly weak standing.  Yes alcohol is insulinemic in that it takes up resources that otherwise would be doing other things if there was a decline in insulin in progress.  
  • 1) The liver alone is not the only source for stored blood glucose.  The figures I have seen quote liver's standing accounts for perhaps just 12% of the reserve capacity.  This will vary widely by body type, gender, and other factors including race.
  • 2) You are entering drinking in a fasted state, and drinking exclusively ethanol with no other calories. AND your liver has the signal that it needs to release glucose and is actively doing this at the time you are drinking.  This is a rare situation, but not entirely abnormal (Thinking like happy hours)
  • So if you are on perhaps a 6 hour fast and slam vodka sodas, yes maybe.  If you are on a 6 hour fast and hammer a gin and tonic, probably not.  If you are not on a fast then this doesn't apply.  

[*]making you hungry and crave sweets.  

  • This again is subject to alot of assumption.  Most people are drinking items that do contain sugar and the liver is reacting to a drop in insulin in deciding to or to not release the perhaps 12% of available capacity it has.  
  • The lack of liver released glycogen may infer hunger, but it's not clear in studies that if the liver is busy processing liver whether this triggers hunger in a similar manner.  And again, you are still relying on someone drinking in a fasted state and drinking items that contain nearly no sugar.

TLDR

  • If you drink, do it on a full stomach.  
  • If you drink fasted, don't slam vodka sodas or get a dry martini etc..  
For discussion

  • Potential reason why red wine drinkers tend to stay leaner is perhaps the carb/ABV ratio is in the range to be metabolized efficiently even on an empty stomach.  



 
culdeus said:
Ok, breaking this down into components for ease.

  • your liver helps monitor, process sugar.

    Sort of, in response to lower levels of insulin the liver will release sugar but this is true not just of the liver but several organs and tissue groups.  
  • The liver doesn't exactly process or monitor sugar.  It might control release of sugar into the bloostream but to call that function "monitor, process" is somewhat misleading.

[*]when booze enters the system, the liver sees it as a poison and stops doing what it normally does and tries to process the poison out.

  • Again, sort of.  Ethanol will denature and one of the byproducts is NADp which is oxidized and reduced. It just so happens that this isn't super difficult for the liver to do and it seems to have a preference to do the easy tasks sooner probably because it's lazy.
  • There's nothing intrinsically poisonous about booze,  many of the same byproducts formed by oxidizing ethanol are formed when you have a very sweet drink with lots of fructose (Think smoothie king).  These can get so strong that a smaller woman can in certain circumstances show a non 0 BAC test which attempts in part to set out to detect these oxidized byproducts after having a post workout smoothie.

[*] this allows your blood sugar to drop because your body isn't releasing it's normal levels of glucose.

  • You are making a spurious assumption here with some fairly weak standing.  Yes alcohol is insulinemic in that it takes up resources that otherwise would be doing other things if there was a decline in insulin in progress.  
  • 1) The liver alone is not the only source for stored blood glucose.  The figures I have seen quote liver's standing accounts for perhaps just 12% of the reserve capacity.  This will vary widely by body type, gender, and other factors including race.
  • 2) You are entering drinking in a fasted state, and drinking exclusively ethanol with no other calories. AND your liver has the signal that it needs to release glucose and is actively doing this at the time you are drinking.  This is a rare situation, but not entirely abnormal (Thinking like happy hours)
  • So if you are on perhaps a 6 hour fast and slam vodka sodas, yes maybe.  If you are on a 6 hour fast and hammer a gin and tonic, probably not.  If you are not on a fast then this doesn't apply.  

[*]making you hungry and crave sweets.  

  • This again is subject to alot of assumption.  Most people are drinking items that do contain sugar and the liver is reacting to a drop in insulin in deciding to or to not release the perhaps 12% of available capacity it has.  
  • The lack of liver released glycogen may infer hunger, but it's not clear in studies that if the liver is busy processing liver whether this triggers hunger in a similar manner.  And again, you are still relying on someone drinking in a fasted state and drinking items that contain nearly no sugar.

TLDR

  • If you drink, do it on a full stomach.  
  • If you drink fasted, don't slam vodka sodas or get a dry martini etc..  
For discussion

  • Potential reason why red wine drinkers tend to stay leaner is perhaps the carb/ABV ratio is in the range to be metabolized efficiently even on an empty stomach.  
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Is this in English?

 
shadyridr said:
purchased a Fitbit Charge 2. Cant wait to get it tomorrow!
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I just got the Fitbit Flex 2 and I'm digging it so far.  I want something low profile without a screen and the Flex is filling that need.  It even detects when you're exercising and knows what you're doing (except lifting).  Anyway, big fan so far.

 
culdeus said:
Ok, breaking this down into components for ease.

  • your liver helps monitor, process sugar.

    Sort of, in response to lower levels of insulin the liver will release sugar but this is true not just of the liver but several organs and tissue groups.  
  • The liver doesn't exactly process or monitor sugar.  It might control release of sugar into the bloostream but to call that function "monitor, process" is somewhat misleading.

[*]when booze enters the system, the liver sees it as a poison and stops doing what it normally does and tries to process the poison out.

  • Again, sort of.  Ethanol will denature and one of the byproducts is NADp which is oxidized and reduced. It just so happens that this isn't super difficult for the liver to do and it seems to have a preference to do the easy tasks sooner probably because it's lazy.
  • There's nothing intrinsically poisonous about booze,  many of the same byproducts formed by oxidizing ethanol are formed when you have a very sweet drink with lots of fructose (Think smoothie king).  These can get so strong that a smaller woman can in certain circumstances show a non 0 BAC test which attempts in part to set out to detect these oxidized byproducts after having a post workout smoothie.

[*] this allows your blood sugar to drop because your body isn't releasing it's normal levels of glucose.

  • You are making a spurious assumption here with some fairly weak standing.  Yes alcohol is insulinemic in that it takes up resources that otherwise would be doing other things if there was a decline in insulin in progress.  
  • 1) The liver alone is not the only source for stored blood glucose.  The figures I have seen quote liver's standing accounts for perhaps just 12% of the reserve capacity.  This will vary widely by body type, gender, and other factors including race.
  • 2) You are entering drinking in a fasted state, and drinking exclusively ethanol with no other calories. AND your liver has the signal that it needs to release glucose and is actively doing this at the time you are drinking.  This is a rare situation, but not entirely abnormal (Thinking like happy hours)
  • So if you are on perhaps a 6 hour fast and slam vodka sodas, yes maybe.  If you are on a 6 hour fast and hammer a gin and tonic, probably not.  If you are not on a fast then this doesn't apply.  

[*]making you hungry and crave sweets.  

  • This again is subject to alot of assumption.  Most people are drinking items that do contain sugar and the liver is reacting to a drop in insulin in deciding to or to not release the perhaps 12% of available capacity it has.  
  • The lack of liver released glycogen may infer hunger, but it's not clear in studies that if the liver is busy processing liver whether this triggers hunger in a similar manner.  And again, you are still relying on someone drinking in a fasted state and drinking items that contain nearly no sugar.

TLDR

  • If you drink, do it on a full stomach.  
  • If you drink fasted, don't slam vodka sodas or get a dry martini etc..  
For discussion

  • Potential reason why red wine drinkers tend to stay leaner is perhaps the carb/ABV ratio is in the range to be metabolized efficiently even on an empty stomach.  
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so your asking me to unpack that a bit was simply to refute what i was saying?  cool

i'd comment on your 'for discussion' but feel you already have an answer.  why don't you just post it.

link to alcohol effecting sugar levels.

 
DA RAIDERS said:
so your asking me to unpack that a bit was simply to refute what i was saying?  cool

i'd comment on your 'for discussion' but feel you already have an answer.  why don't you just post it.

link to alcohol effecting sugar levels.
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This is just a forum post.  I mean that's great and all but has some of the same logic leaks/lack of science understanding that got us here.  

To take the approach that taking the liver out of the mix while processing alcohol is bad from a blood sugar situation requires you to reconcile the fact that there is overwhelming evidence that the diabetes medication metformin might be the single biggest reason for lifespan extension of that population.

Metformin is basically a pill that sets out to for all intents interfere with the liver's ability to release sugar in the same manner as booze.  So here's a medicine we give to people with insane high levels of insulin resistance that mimics alcohol and is so successful that doctors wonder why everyone doesn't take it.  As this was authored in 2007 that information wasn't available, but here we are.  

Then on the other side you have studies that show that moderate wine drinkers have longer lifespans.  So put 2 and 2 together here. 

Key as always is moderation.  For those wanting to get the benefit of booze, they should be taking metformin not crap like resveratrol, but we are still maybe a decade away from that consensus.

 
Holy crap. I just weighed myself. Not only did I put on the weight I lost. I gained 2 pounds on top of that. Lmao

I stopped tracking food obviously a mistake.

New month new start.  Lmao what a pig

 
I weighed myself this morning just to get a final January count.  214.9  - down 22.6 lbs total.

I'm doing a couple of things (intentionally) that I would not normally do:

- No exercise - I think I'm going to go at least 2 more weeks and then reevaluate

- I'm not logging my food or counting calories - I used MFP in the past and it was great but I decided I almost used it as a crutch and I could never develop the good habits that would make MFP unnecessary.  So, I've decide to just muddle through this on my own which I think will be more sustainable long term - for me at least  

 
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AAABatteries said:
I weighed myself this morning just to get a final January count.  214.9  - down 22.6 lbs total.

I'm doing a couple of things (intentionally) that I would not normally do:

- No exercise - I think I'm going to go at least 2 more weeks and then reevaluate

- I'm not logging my food or counting calories - I used MFP in the past and it was great but I decided I almost used it as a crutch and I could never develop the good habits that would make MFP unnecessary.  So, I've decide to just muddle through this on my own which I think will be more sustainable long term - for me at least  
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At least I'm lighter than you!!!@!#!#!#!

 
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