With this guy not eating for days at a time on the regular I don’t see how I stand a chance here. That’s ok if something finally works for you
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Otis fad diet thread — yoga, fasting, and kevzilla walking on🚶♂️ (1 Viewer)
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Otis
Footballguy
They don’t have them at most places. I’ve only seen them at the local beer distributor, not regular supermarkets.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Day 11:
Exhausted - today was a rest day - knees aren’t feeling good
- 10,729 steps - 5k run
- 20 push-ups
- 0 squats
- 125 abs (0 Spider-man plank crunches; 25 leg lifts; 50 crunches; 25 mountain climbers; 25 teasers)
- Stretching - NOPE
- 100 oz of water - CHECK
Exhausted - today was a rest day - knees aren’t feeling good
- 10,729 steps - 5k run
- 20 push-ups
- 0 squats
- 125 abs (0 Spider-man plank crunches; 25 leg lifts; 50 crunches; 25 mountain climbers; 25 teasers)
- Stretching - NOPE
- 100 oz of water - CHECK
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
So Friday, Saturday and Sunday all checked in at under 269. The thing is my weigh in day is Monday, today, and today I was 270. Down a pound since last week but hoping maybe more, maybe I have a bit of water weight or some such. No matter. A pound is a pound.
As for my intention to start taking the stairs at work, well I more or less was intending to blow that off this morning but the elevators were out so up 114 steps I went. I did not like that. Still, it may be what gets me back in that habit and as I said, 5 days a week until Memorial day. that's like climbing Pikes Peak. that should be worth a few pounds by summer.
As for my intention to start taking the stairs at work, well I more or less was intending to blow that off this morning but the elevators were out so up 114 steps I went. I did not like that. Still, it may be what gets me back in that habit and as I said, 5 days a week until Memorial day. that's like climbing Pikes Peak. that should be worth a few pounds by summer.
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
Down 8 pounds in three weeks with IFF. Everyday I have a 6 hour window from 1PM to 7PM. Generally finished dinner at 6 and don’t eat after. I have worked a one day 600 calorie fast into the mix on Tuesdays which is much easier than I thought. About to go crush some soup and an apple.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
2 coffee cakes and a big bowl of caramels in the break room and a big dish of candy corn on our receptionist desk. Also the attractive young paralegal we just hired has a huge bowl of candy bars on her desk she offers to any who enter her office.
I have avoided all those temptations.
Looking forward to lunch. Mixed greens and grilled salmon.
I have avoided all those temptations.
Looking forward to lunch. Mixed greens and grilled salmon.
Keerock
Footballguy
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Horny old men surreptitiously photographing young women is probably an actionable offense at my work place. Also if my wife were to find such a photo on my phone she would snatch me bald. All in all too high risk a maneuver for me.Pic of candy bowl (with paralegal in shot) or it didn't happen.
xulf
Footballguy
Pretty sure that if you explain that you just wanted a picture of the candy, they would understand.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I don't know. I remember the trouble Homer Simpson got into through a merry mix up when all he wanted was a gummy De Milo. Misunderstandings can happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIbx4DM1s9I
MAC_32
Footballguy
For the first time in a long time I'm looking forward to a weigh-in. I just nudged into the 180's early September. I'm curious how deep into the 180's I am now. May wait until later in the week though. Going to be a lot of extra water the next couple days due to this heat.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
NutterButter
Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
Here's my weight loss epiphany.
All diets work. Keto isn't better than just tracking calories. It isn't worse, either, as long as you get your nutrients right.
The problem is that people pick diets because they can envision themselves succeeding. Keto? Hell yeah, i can see myself eating nothing but hamburgers without the bun and steak and chicken. That's the best stuff anyways. Diet and exercise? I can cut back to 1400 calories, no problem. I love smoothies.
Diets fail because you fail. Willpower isn't about what you do at your best, it's about what you're able to do over a long period of time, including when you're at your worst
Everybody in this thread has started a diet and gotten those first couple weeks of awesome weight loss where you're pooping out all the old and your belly is settling in at its new size. It's tough at first, then you feel like you've gotten past that first huge hurdle and you can do it.
This is just one hurdle, and it's not the hard one.
The hard one is when you meet up with that friend who you always get 3 or 4 beers with, and you haven't hung out in ages and you don't want to be a ####. Or when it's been a long day and you're starving and there's nothing but breaded fried chicken in the fridge. Or you are running late and the kids want pizza. Or there's cake at the office and you feel like you're expected to partake.
People act like these are unexpected things that derail their diets temporarily, then they react by getting back on track. But psychologically, you already thought you were succeeding at dieting, and now you're failing. Eventually you quit dieting because you don't want the negative reinforcement. And then you start up again because you like the positive reinforcement of being a success, then quit. That's how people yo yo diet and eventually believe they're just not good dieters.
If that describes you, then the trick is to understand why you fail. Not what sounds easiest, or what worked for someone else. What makes you, personally, fail.
For me the answer was four things. One, i feel I deserve a reward for dieting. I don't want a beer, i want a reward for all the hard work I've done dieting all day.
Two, my willpower sucks at night. So i have my beer and i think i should have something with it so I'm not just having alcohol. I'll just have a hundred calorie pack of chips or a small serving of something. And it spirals.
Three, i have a hard time being strict for a long time. I can be strict for a little while but pragmatically i know that 1700 calories is still enough to lose weight so why do i need to stick to 1600 (or whatever the numbers are for your weight goals). Or i know that I've been good for a week so i deserve a cheat day, but then i cheat and have a hard time getting back into it.
And four, i need to mix things up. I can do this for a while, but forever? I think a lot of us set a goal for our diet so we can stop dieting, but don't focus on the exit plan.
So how do i build that into my strategy so i can lose weight for months instead of days? And maintain it for life?
Well, I need a reward, and my willpower sucks at night, so i need to save my calories for night. Whether you want to call it intermittent fasting or just calorie counting, i log my breakfast, lunch and any exercise in myfitnesspal with a goal of having a lot of calories left over for night. Ideally 1000 or so. Then for dinner i can have... a burrito? Salmon with a baked potato and broccoli? Two beers, a small bag of chips and a small sandwich? I try to stick with healthier foods but I'm more worried about total calories for the day.
When i get to eat stuff like that i don't feel deprived at all. I can be on my "A game" during the day if i know I'm going to get a nicer meal at night. And if i have a day where i eat more than I'd planned for breakfast or lunch, I can survive a night with a crappy dinner - it just reminds me tomorrow that i need to be good early in the day because it sucks having a 250 calorie dinner. And I've been super strict about logging calories, especially at first - it doesn't help to log calories if you're lying about what you ate. If i eat chips i eat 11 of them because that's a serving.
For the third part, i have found that i can "sprint" for a while, lose 5 pounds, and then cheat. For my cheat days i don't even track calories, but mentally i kind of set my calories like i was trying to maintain, not lose. It still feels like a huge cheat, and if i go slightly over so what. I give myself a couple days to get back in the swing of things and then I push hard again.
But i also need to mix things up. Sometimes i set myself to 2lbs a week, but mostly i aim for 1.5. Sometimes i try to ratchet up my exercise so i can justify eating a little more, other times i focus on calories in, instead of calories out, and let my body rest for a while.
That's been working for me for a long enough time that i feel comfortable talking about it. And when I'm ready to maintain, the exit plan is to keep fluctuating. Don't try to maintain every day forever. Cheat for a while, diet for a while, go back to maintaining. This isn't a life sentence with no possibility of food parole, it's just doing better on the good days.
That means keto wouldn't work for me. But it works great for other people who have different problems than i do. Maybe you have a short term weight loss goal, or you're trying to break your sugar habit.
I'm kind of doing intermittent fasting, but it's not really structured like that. There's days i stick to my daily calorie goal but i eat a big breakfast and tiny dinner, or 3 normal meals, or just snack all day. But i get why people like that structure and can plan their day or week around it. It probably works better for people whose problem is that they need to binge eat once in a while, but i like the flexibility of being able to start my day with a 500 calorie bacon egg and cheese on a plain bagel if i want.
I have a friend that's a stress eater. He's been succeeding by saving his calories for the end of the day and having some foods that he likes to binge on - taco bell tacos or buffalo chicken fingers for example - that aren't 2500 calorie nightmares, but 500 calorie planned "mistakes". That's not really my issue, but it's good to have a plan for when you do get the urge to cheat.
I feel like you guys are more focused on making your good days taste better instead of being realistic about what kinds of mistakes you make, then planning ahead for how you'll survive them.
You're both event people - we're having people over tonight, or i have to entertain a client. So you need to build your plan around those things. Am i going to be socially obligated to eat tonight? Let's cut breakfast and plan for a nice meal. Where can i take a client to entertain them later, and what is my go to order if I need something low calorie to go with a couple drinks. Which low calorie foods can i have with a drink when my wife's friends come over?
What other mistakes do you guys make? How do you plan around them?
I don't know if this is helpful or just preachy but maybe it will help to think of it a different way.
All diets work. Keto isn't better than just tracking calories. It isn't worse, either, as long as you get your nutrients right.
The problem is that people pick diets because they can envision themselves succeeding. Keto? Hell yeah, i can see myself eating nothing but hamburgers without the bun and steak and chicken. That's the best stuff anyways. Diet and exercise? I can cut back to 1400 calories, no problem. I love smoothies.
Diets fail because you fail. Willpower isn't about what you do at your best, it's about what you're able to do over a long period of time, including when you're at your worst
Everybody in this thread has started a diet and gotten those first couple weeks of awesome weight loss where you're pooping out all the old and your belly is settling in at its new size. It's tough at first, then you feel like you've gotten past that first huge hurdle and you can do it.
This is just one hurdle, and it's not the hard one.
The hard one is when you meet up with that friend who you always get 3 or 4 beers with, and you haven't hung out in ages and you don't want to be a ####. Or when it's been a long day and you're starving and there's nothing but breaded fried chicken in the fridge. Or you are running late and the kids want pizza. Or there's cake at the office and you feel like you're expected to partake.
People act like these are unexpected things that derail their diets temporarily, then they react by getting back on track. But psychologically, you already thought you were succeeding at dieting, and now you're failing. Eventually you quit dieting because you don't want the negative reinforcement. And then you start up again because you like the positive reinforcement of being a success, then quit. That's how people yo yo diet and eventually believe they're just not good dieters.
If that describes you, then the trick is to understand why you fail. Not what sounds easiest, or what worked for someone else. What makes you, personally, fail.
For me the answer was four things. One, i feel I deserve a reward for dieting. I don't want a beer, i want a reward for all the hard work I've done dieting all day.
Two, my willpower sucks at night. So i have my beer and i think i should have something with it so I'm not just having alcohol. I'll just have a hundred calorie pack of chips or a small serving of something. And it spirals.
Three, i have a hard time being strict for a long time. I can be strict for a little while but pragmatically i know that 1700 calories is still enough to lose weight so why do i need to stick to 1600 (or whatever the numbers are for your weight goals). Or i know that I've been good for a week so i deserve a cheat day, but then i cheat and have a hard time getting back into it.
And four, i need to mix things up. I can do this for a while, but forever? I think a lot of us set a goal for our diet so we can stop dieting, but don't focus on the exit plan.
So how do i build that into my strategy so i can lose weight for months instead of days? And maintain it for life?
Well, I need a reward, and my willpower sucks at night, so i need to save my calories for night. Whether you want to call it intermittent fasting or just calorie counting, i log my breakfast, lunch and any exercise in myfitnesspal with a goal of having a lot of calories left over for night. Ideally 1000 or so. Then for dinner i can have... a burrito? Salmon with a baked potato and broccoli? Two beers, a small bag of chips and a small sandwich? I try to stick with healthier foods but I'm more worried about total calories for the day.
When i get to eat stuff like that i don't feel deprived at all. I can be on my "A game" during the day if i know I'm going to get a nicer meal at night. And if i have a day where i eat more than I'd planned for breakfast or lunch, I can survive a night with a crappy dinner - it just reminds me tomorrow that i need to be good early in the day because it sucks having a 250 calorie dinner. And I've been super strict about logging calories, especially at first - it doesn't help to log calories if you're lying about what you ate. If i eat chips i eat 11 of them because that's a serving.
For the third part, i have found that i can "sprint" for a while, lose 5 pounds, and then cheat. For my cheat days i don't even track calories, but mentally i kind of set my calories like i was trying to maintain, not lose. It still feels like a huge cheat, and if i go slightly over so what. I give myself a couple days to get back in the swing of things and then I push hard again.
But i also need to mix things up. Sometimes i set myself to 2lbs a week, but mostly i aim for 1.5. Sometimes i try to ratchet up my exercise so i can justify eating a little more, other times i focus on calories in, instead of calories out, and let my body rest for a while.
That's been working for me for a long enough time that i feel comfortable talking about it. And when I'm ready to maintain, the exit plan is to keep fluctuating. Don't try to maintain every day forever. Cheat for a while, diet for a while, go back to maintaining. This isn't a life sentence with no possibility of food parole, it's just doing better on the good days.
That means keto wouldn't work for me. But it works great for other people who have different problems than i do. Maybe you have a short term weight loss goal, or you're trying to break your sugar habit.
I'm kind of doing intermittent fasting, but it's not really structured like that. There's days i stick to my daily calorie goal but i eat a big breakfast and tiny dinner, or 3 normal meals, or just snack all day. But i get why people like that structure and can plan their day or week around it. It probably works better for people whose problem is that they need to binge eat once in a while, but i like the flexibility of being able to start my day with a 500 calorie bacon egg and cheese on a plain bagel if i want.
I have a friend that's a stress eater. He's been succeeding by saving his calories for the end of the day and having some foods that he likes to binge on - taco bell tacos or buffalo chicken fingers for example - that aren't 2500 calorie nightmares, but 500 calorie planned "mistakes". That's not really my issue, but it's good to have a plan for when you do get the urge to cheat.
I feel like you guys are more focused on making your good days taste better instead of being realistic about what kinds of mistakes you make, then planning ahead for how you'll survive them.
You're both event people - we're having people over tonight, or i have to entertain a client. So you need to build your plan around those things. Am i going to be socially obligated to eat tonight? Let's cut breakfast and plan for a nice meal. Where can i take a client to entertain them later, and what is my go to order if I need something low calorie to go with a couple drinks. Which low calorie foods can i have with a drink when my wife's friends come over?
What other mistakes do you guys make? How do you plan around them?
I don't know if this is helpful or just preachy but maybe it will help to think of it a different way.
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
With your workouts it would be tough anyway. I’m continuing to pay attention tot the benefits/research and since I’m not a BMF I just scale back my working out when I do a couple of days.
Zow
Footballguy
krista4
Footballguy
I greatly appreciate the nice comments and encouragement from people in this thread. Monday weigh-in!
Week One: -6.0 pounds
Week Two: -3.0 pounds
Week Three: -2.2 pounds
Total: -11.2 pounds
Mr. krista has lost more than 20 pounds over the same three weeks. I should have put him in the Woz/Otis/Bass bet!
Week One: -6.0 pounds
Week Two: -3.0 pounds
Week Three: -2.2 pounds
Total: -11.2 pounds
Mr. krista has lost more than 20 pounds over the same three weeks. I should have put him in the Woz/Otis/Bass bet!
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I think they accomplish different things. To kind of address your post and Fred’s at the same time, I refer back to my toolbelt analogy. For optimal weight/health/fitness I think having multiple tools is the someone’s best bet for achieving short term and long term goals. Very few people have the discipline to do the exercise you do and also have the discipline to do really healthy eating all the time. I think mixing things up and allowing for setbacks (cheats) works best for most people.
Specifically with fasting it seems undeniable to me that if someone is obese and/or has insulin sensitivity that (supervised) fasting is the fastest and probably best way to get their insulin under control. Additionally it seems undeniable to me that we have not evolved by eating 3 meals a day and eating every day. These are much more recent phenomenons. Most people don’t know what it’s like to be truly hungry.
To use your term - optimal - probably isn’t something that can be known but I think we’ve talked about it numerous times in here and Fred touches on it - we all need to find what works for us and don’t assume just because it works for us it will work for everyone.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
And @Woz - if you are lightheaded and you don’t feel right then listen to Mac and eat a little something and don’t workout - this shouldn’t be a sprint but a marathon when it comes to health. You got a beautiful family to worry about and some stupid internet contest isn’t worth risking your health over.
Not saying you are but I’m a big believer in something Sisson talks about a lot - your inner voice is frequently pretty smart. If things don’t seem normal then don’t push it.
Not saying you are but I’m a big believer in something Sisson talks about a lot - your inner voice is frequently pretty smart. If things don’t seem normal then don’t push it.
bostonfred
Footballguy
I'm not a doctor but i thought the goal was to tear your muscles, then give them protein so they can come back stronger. What's the point of tearing them and not giving them any fuel to grow back?
MAC_32
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Hopefully it wasn’t my post causing confusion around fasting and exercise - I had two different things going on and was just pleased I could do my daily challenge while fasting.bostonfred said:
I’m a big believer in lifting and mostly believer in fasting - not necessarily together though.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Day 12:
Back at it but gave my legs another day off from running.
- 17,276 steps - treadmill desk FTW!
- 255 push-ups
- 275 squats
- 250 abs (50 Spider-man plank crunches; 50 leg lifts; 50 crunches; 50 mountain climbers; 50 teasers)
- Stretching - CHECK
- 100 oz of water - CHECK
Back at it but gave my legs another day off from running.
- 17,276 steps - treadmill desk FTW!
- 255 push-ups
- 275 squats
- 250 abs (50 Spider-man plank crunches; 50 leg lifts; 50 crunches; 50 mountain climbers; 50 teasers)
- Stretching - CHECK
- 100 oz of water - CHECK
Gawain
Footballguy
Good past week. 243.6 today. 49.5 lbs since July 24.
Getting close to Woz's starting weight.
ETA: Had to go in for a physical today for a new job. I don't have a point of reference, but BP was 138/83 and heart rate was 69. BP is a little high, but I shudder to think what it would have been two months ago. Hoping to continue to lose and get those numbers back to normal range.
Getting close to Woz's starting weight.
ETA: Had to go in for a physical today for a new job. I don't have a point of reference, but BP was 138/83 and heart rate was 69. BP is a little high, but I shudder to think what it would have been two months ago. Hoping to continue to lose and get those numbers back to normal range.
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
Day 13:
I leave for a 4 day backpacking trip Thursday so I’m going to scale back my squats this week to make sure my knees are as good as they can be for the trip and hikes.
- 21,194 steps
- 150 push-ups
- 100 squats
- 125 abs (0 Spider-man plank crunches; 25 leg lifts; 50 crunches; 15 mountain climbers; 35 teasers)
- Stretching - NOPE
- 100 oz of water - CHECK
I leave for a 4 day backpacking trip Thursday so I’m going to scale back my squats this week to make sure my knees are as good as they can be for the trip and hikes.
- 21,194 steps
- 150 push-ups
- 100 squats
- 125 abs (0 Spider-man plank crunches; 25 leg lifts; 50 crunches; 15 mountain climbers; 35 teasers)
- Stretching - NOPE
- 100 oz of water - CHECK
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Otis
Footballguy
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
I wish I could give you #### but I haven't weighed myself lately either. 
DocHolliday
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
krista4
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Plan is to stick to my challenge up to the week before Thanksgiving and then see where things are.
Couple of comments/thoughts now that I’m two weeks in:
- I can already tell a difference in my physique and push-up endurance. I’m able to do more and bigger sets already
- I’m taking today off as I’m leaving tomorrow night or real early Friday for a 3 or 4 day backpacking trip.
- I’ve been exhausted - partly because I’ve been doing part of the workout late(r) in to the evening and going to bed late and then obviously just from doing the work. I’ve got to get more sleep
- The walking desk is really going to help and yesterday I locked my office door and did a few sets of pushups and squats. I have to get more consistent with that to have any hope of bringing these averages up.
- This has been rough on my knees and I already had an iffy knee. I may have to call an audible on the squats once I’m back
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krista4
Footballguy
Wow. Impressive.
Have fun backpacking! My backpacking season might be over already as our mountains already have snow above 4000 feet! I don't have the gear for snow camping or even cold-weather camping.
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