Yeah, I like that list too. Notice nothing about ketosis.Good list here from your link.
4 ways to use this information for better health:
- Avoid sugars and refined grains. Instead, eat fruits, vegetables, beans, lentils, whole grains, lean proteins, and healthy fats (a sensible, plant-based, Mediterranean-style diet).
- Let your body burn fat between meals. Don’t snack. Be active throughout your day. Build muscle tone.
- Consider a simple form of intermittent fasting. Limit the hours of the day when you eat, and for best effect, make it earlier in the day (between 7 am to 3 pm, or even 10 am to 6 pm, but definitely not in the evening before bed).
- Avoid snacking or eating at nighttime, all the time.
That link is interesting, but a far cry from proving IF is the way to go. Anything that promotes body fat loss will improve insulin resistance though.AAA is fighting trim, but for a lardazz like myself, there are very promising results about fasting shocking the body out of insulin resistance.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/intermittent-fasting-surprising-update-2018062914156
I'm not sure I'm ready for a 36 hour, but I like the idea of 20 hour fasts to start undoing the resistance to insulin ten years of lousy eating has put on me.
same. maybe slightly more, say 3 nights a week. but it's typically beer, sometimes wine. it's the mind numbing consistency of it. it's just too easy to have 3-4 beers. i only had 1 at sushi tonight* and my wife was looking at me funny. maybe cut it to 1- 2 nights a week?@DA RAIDERS, what kind of drinking are you doing now? Let's figure out a way we can challenge each other to reset ourselves on it. For instance, last night I drank two glasses of wine at home alone because I was bored. Then Mr. krista got off work and wanted to go out, so I had three more glasses out with him. Just ridiculous. Every night is not like that, but more of them than I really want to admit.*
*probably twice a week. There, I admitted that. And on nights that aren't nearly as bad as that, I'm still usually having a couple of glasses.
I hear ya. So easy. I rarely get drunk, but the "mind numbing consistency" is a good description.same. maybe slightly more, say 3 nights a week. but it's typically beer, sometimes wine. it's the mind numbing consistency of it. it's just too easy to have 3-4 beers. i only had 1 at sushi tonight* and my wife was looking at me funny. maybe cut it to 1- 2 nights a week?
*had one at the house before we went. am about to have another as we speak.
Right there with you. Lightly flavored seltzers have been great for me as well in Sober Februarys and the like. Fulfills the “habit” without the bad bits. Not having the habit would be even better.It’s the bored, habitual drinking, that I’d like to eliminate.
From the link: "But sugar can only enter our cells with insulin, a hormone made in the pancreas. Insulin brings sugar into the fat cells and keeps it there."Yeah, I like that list too. Notice nothing about ketosis.
The fact that you’re embarrassed to admit this happens two nights a week in your house makes me realize how bad my situation is. 4-5 drinks a day on average has become awfully typical in my household. Eesh.@DA RAIDERS, what kind of drinking are you doing now? Let's figure out a way we can challenge each other to reset ourselves on it. For instance, last night I drank two glasses of wine at home alone because I was bored. Then Mr. krista got off work and wanted to go out, so I had three more glasses out with him. Just ridiculous. Every night is not like that, but more of them than I really want to admit.*
*probably twice a week. There, I admitted that. And on nights that aren't nearly as bad as that, I'm still usually having a couple of glasses.
cut out drinking at home entirely
Here you go.It’s the bored, habitual drinking, that I’d like to eliminate.
Otis:The fact that you’re embarrassed to admit this happens two nights a week in your house makes me realize how bad my situation is. 4-5 drinks a day on average has become awfully typical in my household. Eesh.
Can we all stop drinking pls?
We’re probably spending over a thousand dollars a month on wine alone. Maybe far more. It’s ridiculous. I should come up with some kind of deal with myself — been looking at the new mid engine corvette, I should make a deal to give up drinking entirely and buy a vette paid for with the drinking fund....I can't even fathom how much you guys must spend on alcohol.
Also, for those of you with kids (especially younger kids), what happens that one night when the little one gets hurt or gets sick and needs to go to the ER after you've both had quite a bit to drink? Or there's any other kind of emergency after hours in the house that requires clear decision making and/or driving?
Here’s the thing though. I don’t have a physical need for alcohol. It’s more habit than addiction. An awful habit, but still habit. It wasn’t physically hard for me to go 3-4 days without drinking earlier this week, but I gave in at a social work event.Otis:
You have a drinking problem. You are an alcoholic.
No shtick.
Forget weight loss. You need to fix this first.
Here's the thing though.Here’s the thing though. I don’t have a physical need for alcohol. It’s more habit than addiction. An awful habit, but still habit. It wasn’t physically hard for me to go 3-4 days without drinking earlier this week, but I gave in at a social work event.
I need to stop drinking for a lot of reasons. But I don’t think I qualify as a true alcoholic.
I stole the idea of being addicted to tomorrow form someone else in this thread. Unfortunately I forgot who I saw say that, but it was the most important advice I've gotten in the entire thread. I read that, knew it applied to me, and started that day. I encourage everyone who wants to start this journey to think about it.This is concise and excellent advice for me as well.
Love not having caffeine. I've gotten to the point that if we are out to eat I will have a diet coke and the caffeine won't bother me, but I limit it to 2, and don't mindless get half a dozen refills like I might in the past.A few of us have given up caffiene. It's tough at first but it's great to not need caffiene to get started in the morning and not to have the caffiene crashes.
It was me, but I ripped it from Nick Saban.I stole the idea of being addicted to tomorrow form someone else in this thread. Unfortunately I forgot who I saw say that, but it was the most important advice I've gotten in the entire thread. I read that, knew it applied to me, and started that day. I encourage everyone who wants to start this journey to think about it.
I don't drink for this very reason. I pictured my infant daughter or toddler daughter getting hurt, running into something or falling and breaking something. We rush her to the emergency ward. Some over officious attending professional smells alcohol on my breath. My wife is in a state of fear and aggravation with the hospital procedures, The overly officious person reads her fear and my daughters injury and my smell and puts 2 and 2 together and comes up with 22, a drunk abuser. Nope. I love drinking. I love my family more. Small risk, sure, but not one I took.I can't even fathom how much you guys must spend on alcohol.
Also, for those of you with kids (especially younger kids), what happens that one night when the little one gets hurt or gets sick and needs to go to the ER after you've both had quite a bit to drink? Or there's any other kind of emergency after hours in the house that requires clear decision making and/or driving?
Crap, these are good points.I don't drink for this very reason. I pictured my infant daughter or toddler daughter getting hurt, running into something or falling and breaking something. We rush her to the emergency ward. Some over officious attending professional smells alcohol on my breath. My wife is in a state of fear and aggravation with the hospital procedures, The overly officious person reads her fear and my daughters injury and my smell and puts 2 and 2 together and comes up with 22, a drunk abuser. Nope. I love drinking. I love my family more. Small risk, sure, but not one I took.
Also, it would be a bad look for a prosecutor to get a DUI. I would not expose my bosses to that publicity.
Nope, I had my days as an intoxicant sand look forward to them again in retirement, but not as a father and an employee.
Not sure what you point is...but I understand how metabolism works. The first quoted statement is inaccurate BTW. Not all glucose uptake is Insulin dependentFrom the link: "But sugar can only enter our cells with insulin, a hormone made in the pancreas. Insulin brings sugar into the fat cells and keeps it there."
Ketosis: "nutritional process characterised by serum concentrations of ketone bodies over 0.5 mM, with low and stable levels of insulin and blood glucose."
If you want to keep splitting hairs, I'll join you.
Even simpler, I can't discharge a kid from the ER home to parents that have been drinking if they drove there. And yes, it's obvious as I've seen this plenty of times.I don't drink for this very reason. I pictured my infant daughter or toddler daughter getting hurt, running into something or falling and breaking something. We rush her to the emergency ward. Some over officious attending professional smells alcohol on my breath. My wife is in a state of fear and aggravation with the hospital procedures, The overly officious person reads her fear and my daughters injury and my smell and puts 2 and 2 together and comes up with 22, a drunk abuser. Nope. I love drinking. I love my family more. Small risk, sure, but not one I took.
Also, it would be a bad look for a prosecutor to get a DUI. I would not expose my bosses to that publicity.
Nope, I had my days as an intoxicant sand look forward to them again in retirement, but not as a father and an employee.
How about this Otis. You say you spend $1000 a month on drinking. Stop, for now. Take that $1000 and deposit $500 every month into a travel account. Take the other $500 and invest in a bottle or maybe two of very good wine, or occasionally a single malt. Put those away in your new wine cellar (Oh, you will need a wine cellar). You are an aficionado now. Commit that you will watch them age. Do the same month after month. When Otis retires or goes Of Counsel, when your kids are gone you now have an extensive collection of well aged wonderful booze to drink away the empty nest syndrome. You also have a ton of cash to spend on maybe the worlds best wine tour vacation, a trip through Burgundy, on to the Rhine , into Italy, off to Australia, and back through Napa. You could devote a month or two to your passion and return to a well stocked wine cellar. Also this Otis is back to his fighting weight. As a side benefit, once it is known around the firm that you are a collector all of those Associates trying to curry favor will start giving you very fine bottles on your birthday and during the holidays. Your collection will grow rapidly so make that cellar substantial size.Crap, these are good points.
My point is you’ve repeatedly stated misleading things about Keto (with regards to animal protein) and dismissed it and low carb for whatever your reasons are. I have no doubt you know your stuff but nothing you’ve posted has convinced me what I’ve done or am doing is harmful - maybe not optimal but I’m not looking to be the healthiest man in the world. I’m looking for something that is sustainable for me.Not sure what you point is...
Say it ain't so. I thought you were the rock?I'm back. And almost asbigfat as ever. Starting up again on Sunday (9/1).
I like this, too.But I do like the idea of kind of a Tecumseh-style challenge to myself with booze and setting aside some reward fund.
I don’t think I’ve stated anything misleading. While VLC/ketogenic diets can be plant-based, the vast majority of people I’ve known and posters here aren’t discussing the variety of fruits and vegetables they’re eating, rather, they tend to consume a bunch of meat and animal products. I don’t think that’s healthy or sustainable for most people, though it certainly works for you.My point is you’ve repeatedly stated misleading things about Keto (with regards to animal protein) and dismissed it and low carb for whatever your reasons are. I have no doubt you know your stuff but nothing you’ve posted has convinced me what I’ve done or am doing is harmful - maybe not optimal but I’m not looking to be the healthiest man in the world. I’m looking for something that is sustainable for me.
I’m done here though - our pissing contest (which I’m equally accountable for) is distracting from the thread - which apparently is now an AA meeting.
Cheers.
Totally agree. Mrs. O and I regularly comment that when we’re constantly guzzling wine, you almost don’t even taste it anymore. You’re just guzzling it. Because that’s just what you do. But when you’re not drinking regularly and you have a nice glass of red out at dinner? Amazing.Somewhat tangential to DW's point - I find that I actually enjoy alcohol much more when it's a occasional/rare thing. If I drink every day or several days out of a week it doesn't bring me the same enjoyment than if it's like once or twice a month. I hadn't had much of anything for a while and then had a nice Manhattan with my steak the other night - it was fantastic!
I may be the Devil.Love these suggestions DW. Well except the part where, to help avoid drinking alcohol, you have me filling my home with a cache of the finest alcohol in the world.
Amazing. Congrats on following through. You’re right there’s really no good that comes from drinking. Well except the part where it tastes really good and is really fun and relaxing.Otis we’ve discussed this before over PM. You should quit. I’m going on two years. I was exactly where you are. I just decided to quit. Too expensive, extremely bad for your healthand I’m turning 50 next month. I still go out with friends except now I have sparkling water. Not one good thing comes from booze. not one.
The thing I hate the most if I’m honest is when you tell people you don’t drink they immediately think the worst. I tell them it was for health reasons.
I absolutely LOVE waking up every morning now. No hangovers, no feeling like crap, fresh and ready to take on the day.
You can do this Otis!!
To be honest another reason i quit is I got scared. I had my liver levels checked 2 years ago and both the booze tests were off the charts. Dr wanted to ultrasound my liver. Told him no. Asked what I needed to do, he said quit drinking. That was the last day I drank. Had liver checked 1 year ago, completely normal levels. There is a thread going on here somewhere about a member who's wife had a bad liver. I honestly was scared ####-less after reading what they are going through. I know im going to die, I decided however it was not going to be because of problems with my liver.Amazing. Congrats on following through. You’re right there’s really no good that comes from drinking. Well except the part where it tastes really good and is really fun and relaxing.
This happened to me and Mrs. Woz, especially pre-kids. We'd share at least a bottle every night. And at that time my income was steadily increasing so we didn't hesitate to buy the $20+ dollar bottles in lieu of the 6-8 dollar bottles. Which of course then raised our palates to having to buy a $60+ bottle to experience a difference.Totally agree. Mrs. O and I regularly comment that when we’re constantly guzzling wine, you almost don’t even taste it anymore. You’re just guzzling it. Because that’s just what you do. But when you’re not drinking regularly and you have a nice glass of red out at dinner? Amazing.
Right. A glass of The Prisoner or Silver Oak (my two favorites) with a nice steak while eating on some outside patio in great weather is basically unbeatable.Amazing. Congrats on following through. You’re right there’s really no good that comes from drinking. Well except the part where it tastes really good and is really fun and relaxing.
Funny you say that — we were just discussing this two days ago. Seems like it might help.Zow said:Otis, not that I want to help you, but have you and the Mrs considered CBD in lieu of alcohol at night?
I now use it before golf and probably a couple nights a week. It's not a huge difference maker but it does seem to relax me a bit and helps me get to sleep easier.Funny you say that — we were just discussing this two days ago. Seems like it might help.
This is going to be a huge test. You have a plan. Stick to it. Use MFP to try to keep you honest with your calorie consumption.Zow said:So the above two posts notwithstanding, last night was incredibly huge for me. I got home from work about 6:30 after more than average stressful day at work. I was planning on running for 30 minutes but my wife was behind in making dinner for the kids and decided to make dinner for all of us (healthy taco casserole with ground beef and quinoa) so we could all eat at the table together. Okay, this is a rare event, so no problem - I'll forfeit the run as I was fried anyway. My wife then opens wine. At that point I felt pretty much like a crack addict. I wanted wine and I wanted to order pizza and get some snacks. I really just wanted to relax and consume.
Instead, I distracted myself outside for ten minutes, ate dinner with my kids, and resisted the wine throughout. After the kids went down I had a small pour of wine and an Atkins bar. Then, when I felt myself just wanting to rummage through the fridge and pantry and find whatever, I instead did some work and just went to bed at 9:30. In short, I was able to have a very moderate amount and remain under my calories for the day. I didn't give in. I do, however, wish that I could have been immediately rewarded when I stepped on the scale this morning but alas it was the same as yesterday.
Next challenge ahead is this weekend. We're going camping with a group where 2 of the husbands are serious beer tasters, I'm playing golf, and I have like 3 fantasy football drafts. The beer tasters I mentioned will be bringing me unique beers that I have never had (and I'm doing the same for them). In short I'm going to treat this weekend like the last. I'm going to beer taste. But, I'm going to moderate myself to just like two ounce pours of the unique stuff. I'm going to eat steak for sure one night along with probably some potato side. I'm going to have eggs, bacon, and breakfast potatoes. I'm going to eat chili. But, I'm not going to have nearly as much of it as I would have had in the past. I'm not going to eat random biscuits throughout the day and other such empty snacks. I'm going to walk when I golf and not ride. I'm going to try to go on a hike or two rather than just sitting around. When Monday morning comes and we pack up and leave I'm going right back on the diet and not excusing some unhealthy Monday night meal because it's still a holiday/the weekend. If I gain a pound or two over the weekend, so be it, as life isn't worth living if I can enjoy these sorts of times. But, I'm not going to gain back 3-5 pounds.
Or a wedding.I don’t understand you folks that spend around 1k a month on booze do it. I don’t make NY Otis money but do WELL over 6 figures. I’d be sick knowing I spend that much dough on booze monthly. To each their own I guess.
I just think of all the things I could do with that money. Like putting it into a college fund for my kids. Can you imagine how much that would be by the time they his 18? Wow.