That and don't crank up the tunes.....every time you do that in the car you get in an accident.
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beer 30
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My take is Camilla did that with Claire knowing full well it would have the effect on her that it did. Claire is a wuss and would crumble under pressure. Dealing with cartels are not her thing and she can be pushed around.
Camilla wouldn't get that same response from Ruth. And frankly, out of respect for Ruth, she got the death she deserved. Quick and final. There was a certain amount of respect associated with her ending.
Yea I didn't care for that either. Seemed lazy writing to me.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Whether he died or not, now that I've thought about it a little more, it was really dumb for Mel to show up, unarmed, and confront Marty and Wendy about Ben's remains. He knew how brutal and relentless this family was capable of being (or at least Wendy).
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Loved Marty beating the hell out of that guy honking the horn in the traffic jam in the 3rd or 4th to last episode. Like he tries to always keep it calm but just finally had enough. Awesome.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Surprised he never did that to Wendy. But nothing ever made sense because she was cheating on him from the beginning (wasn't she?) and they were on the brink of divorce, yet somehow the end-all-be-all of the whole series is family first???
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The shared struggle brought them closer together.
Did you people really watch the show?
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Depends on what kind of people you think the Byrds really are, I think.
Marty's mistake was marrying Wendy to start with. He was rather blameless otherwise at the beginning...not so much at the end. Ultimately they were bad enough to deserve each other.
Such is the life of the anti-hero.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Didn't hate the end. Didn't particularly like it but I wasn't invested enough to really care. Not like game of thrones where I have an irrational hatred towards those 2 idiots that ruined it.
But man oh man did I want Wendy to die.
Good tv show for sure, but a little too hokey at times for me to consider it top tier.
But man oh man did I want Wendy to die.
Good tv show for sure, but a little too hokey at times for me to consider it top tier.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
It's worth it. The direction of the series changes significantly for the better after Season 3, if I recall.
Agreed - the only two things I didn't really like were the preview of the car accident at the beginning of season 4 part 2, and the very last scene with the detective. Both seemed completely unnecessary.
simey
Footballguy
I think Camilla respected that Ruth was defiant when she confronted her, and maybe that is why she paused before pulling the trigger right away, but she had to for her son. She shot her in the heart. I think Ruth's heart was already shattered from Wyatt's death. After Wyatt was killed, her mission was revenge, but it seemed she was indifferent to whether she lived or died. Like she would accept whatever came her way, whether it be owning a casino and getting her record expunged, or being killed by the cartel for getting in their way or payback for Javi. She gave Nelson the finger out in the rain knowing that he could have shot her right then. She knew it was Nelson and he had bad intentions, because she warned Rachel when he was gone when she came back out of the Sheriff's office. It was a bummer she died, but she sealed her fate when she killed Javi. Anyway, she was a great character, and I enjoyed the series all the way through.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
It's hard to end a series. There are plenty that did it better ...MASH, The Americans, Newhart, Cheers, West Wing, Star Trek TNG, Marco Polo, Breaking Bad. But the Ozark ending wasn't all that bad. I'd say the worst were Sopranos and GoT. Lazy IMO.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Love me some Ruth
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He may have been armed. He didn’t need it before Jonah came out with the shotgun and then it was too late to pull it out. He had the situation under control with just Marty and Wendy.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Which show is Breaking Bad again? Is that the one where the main character's lackey's girlfriend is dying of a drug overdose and the main character elects to let her die and then it turns out that her dad is an air traffic controller that gets sad and doesn't pay attention to his job so two planes crash into each other directly over the main character's house and debris falls into his pool while he happens to be standing out there looking at the sky?
Yeah, I guess Ozark did have some silly stuff in it.
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facook
Footballguy
Which show is Breaking Bad again? Is that the one where the main character's lackey's girlfriend is dying of a drug overdose and the main character elects to let her die and then it turns out that her dad is an air traffic controller that gets sad and doesn't pay attention to his job so two planes crash into each other directly over the main character's house and debris falls into his pool while he happens to be standing out there looking at the sky?
Yeah, I guess Ozark did have some silly stuff in it.
I mean, when you say it that way it sounds like The Dukes of Hazzard.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Walt was not looking at the sky when the collision happened. He was looking down, almost sadly comprehending what had just happened (Skylar had just left him).Which show is Breaking Bad again? Is that the one where the main character's lackey's girlfriend is dying of a drug overdose and the main character elects to let her die and then it turns out that her dad is an air traffic controller that gets sad and doesn't pay attention to his job so two planes crash into each other directly over the main character's house and debris falls into his pool while he happens to be standing out there looking at the sky?
Yeah, I guess Ozark did have some silly stuff in it.
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belljr
Footballguy
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Which show is Breaking Bad again? Is that the one where the main character's lackey's girlfriend is dying of a drug overdose and the main character elects to let her die and then it turns out that her dad is an air traffic controller that gets sad and doesn't pay attention to his job so two planes crash into each other directly over the main character's house and debris falls into his pool while he happens to be standing out there looking at the sky?
Yeah, I guess Ozark did have some silly stuff in it.
I suppose the Ozark writers would have just used another Darlene shtogun to take care of Jane
Certainly some unrealistic (but awesome) occurrences in Breaking Bad, but I always felt like the characters were operating realistically in response to them (or causing them). Vince Gilligan doesn't seem to have any qualms about having an unexpected crazy stunt to get the characters/plot where they wanted it. And, when they happened, they get even better with the rewatch. The foreshaddowing of an event like the plane crash is all over S3, you just don't know it is coming.
I personally like that more than advancing the plot by having the same characters make the same predictable mistakes. I think the main characters (Wendy and Marty) evolved very little throughout the few seasons. Darlene was very one-note. Other characters like Ben and Ruth showed more depth and growth and I think most of us enjoyed their stories the most.
Some of my favorite moments this season was when Marty showed potential growth (running the cartel in Mexico) or at least finally let out some of his suppressed urges (beating the guy in traffic). He basically ends the series the same guy we started with; stuck between the ridiculous demands of the cartel and his wife.
It also seems like the FBI has more than enough for all of these folks to be behind bars at least a season ago, so it really rings false that they are all crossing the boarder shooting each other for another season.
I know your post was at least somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but felt like explaining why they are in different tiers in my book. Now off to continue my Peaky Blinders rewatch.
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
Sopranos was bad for the idea. Going black like that.
GoT was a horrible last entire season because the show runners ran out of the source material and just didn't have the talent to create even with a supposed blueprint from Martin. It clearly strayed from the foundations of real life as much of what Martin wrote had inspiration from the history which is why even though there are Dragons and White Walkers but felt more real than most fiction. There was example after example of ridiculous writing that jolted out of the world and seeing it for being fiction (and not good fiction).
The Sopranos ending wad bad for the that last going black. GoT entire last season was a trainwreck.
jamny
Footballguy
Finished last night. A disjointed final season but it ended as well as could be expected for what they were trying to do and say. Those in power stay in power. Ruth was never going to live happily ever after.
They could have done away with the whole John Boy and the grandkids storyline. Pointless, imo. And the teaser of the flipped car really annoyed me when they all walked away from it like they did.
The final season took away the "great" label from me but it was still a very good show that I'm glad I watched.
They could have done away with the whole John Boy and the grandkids storyline. Pointless, imo. And the teaser of the flipped car really annoyed me when they all walked away from it like they did.
The final season took away the "great" label from me but it was still a very good show that I'm glad I watched.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
The only real point of that whole storyline with the grandfather seemed to be to show how Wendy and Ben were so very screwed up by him.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
John Boy has always been a hell of a good actor so I assume they wanted him to get some air time. The guy was acting in 1959. He's been on shows for 63 years.
jamny
Footballguy
No doubt he was really good as usual but the time could have been better spent on the rest of the storyline, imo.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
He's only thirteen years older than Linney, and eighteen than Bateman. That was distracting.
Even if you didn't know the specifics, he just didn't look old enough to be her father.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I thought the last season was good and the ending was ok 
I never really bought in to Ruth being some mastermind. She pretty much was only in that spot due to Marty. And she was stupid going after Javi in that way.
I never really bought in to Ruth being some mastermind. She pretty much was only in that spot due to Marty. And she was stupid going after Javi in that way.
Yeah I think a lot of people (including me) are disappointed that Wendy didn't die and Ruth didn't survive. That would've been the happy ending. We got the sad ending which this show was always about.I thought the last season was good and the ending was ok
I never really bought in to Ruth being some mastermind. She pretty much was only in that spot due to Marty. And she was stupid going after Javi in that way.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
I liked it. Thought Ruth’s death was foreshadowed when she daydreaming about all her dead family members. Kinda wish there was a twist at the end. Last ten minutes played out just as scripted.
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mr. furley
Footballguy
at first i thought this was Jason Bateman's series
at some point it became clear it's Laura Linney's, then Julia Garner's and then Jason Bateman.
holy ####
at some point it became clear it's Laura Linney's, then Julia Garner's and then Jason Bateman.
holy ####
I think the whole series played out as scripted....not just the last 10 minutes.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
One thing that still bothers me a bit when I think about it.
Camilla goes to kill Ruth and Ruth asks, "How'd you find out?"
Camilla (surprisingly) just responds, "Clare Shaw told me."
Clare had told Camilla, "She followed him to my office, and she shot him. I'm sorry. I didn't know what to do. I had my head of security take care of the body. I am so sorry... ...I didn't tell anyone"
Camilla seems too smart / cunning to just believe things on the surface. When Ruth asks, "How'd you find out?" wouldn't the only way, based on Clare's story, been from Clare? Why would Ruth ask that question?
I would think Camilla would have probed a bit more anyway to see if the story was true or if anyone else was involved or knew about it. That question would have been another flag to lead to that line of questioning but they just let it pass so they Byrdes don't get caught and get the ending the writers wanted.
Camilla goes to kill Ruth and Ruth asks, "How'd you find out?"
Camilla (surprisingly) just responds, "Clare Shaw told me."
Clare had told Camilla, "She followed him to my office, and she shot him. I'm sorry. I didn't know what to do. I had my head of security take care of the body. I am so sorry... ...I didn't tell anyone"
Camilla seems too smart / cunning to just believe things on the surface. When Ruth asks, "How'd you find out?" wouldn't the only way, based on Clare's story, been from Clare? Why would Ruth ask that question?
I would think Camilla would have probed a bit more anyway to see if the story was true or if anyone else was involved or knew about it. That question would have been another flag to lead to that line of questioning but they just let it pass so they Byrdes don't get caught and get the ending the writers wanted.
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beer 30
Footballguy
Maybe I'm wrong but Marty & Wendy said they weren't there, in Clare's office, correct? If so Camilla had no reason not to believe Clare. Ruth however, knew there were three people in the office so might have been asking to see if the Byrdes burned her? Nothing would change the outcome but we could have shared in Ruth's last Byrde disappointment before she went down.
Jobber
Footballguy
The one and only character I was pulling for was Ruth. So of course the f’n Byrds come through unscathed and Ruth dies in the dirt.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
No reason? You're assuming she 100% trusts the Byrdes which I would find hard to believe. Plus they barely had a reaction to the revelation in a tense conversation that should have raised suspicion.
Exactly... Ruth asks the question because she knew that multiple people knew what happened and didn't know which one told Camilla. Should have been a red flag for Camilla because if it was just Clare and Ruth as Clare stated, and Clare didn't tell anyone else as she stated, there would have been no reason for Ruth to ask that, it could only have been Clare.
As Camilla approached Ruth, I assumed she was going to probe for more info and that, whether or not Ruth had intended to out the Byrdes, that Camilla would have got the information somehow. And then Ruth, intentional or not, would have been the reason for the Byrdes downfall. Poetic justice based on the Byrde effect on the Langmores?
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PlayaHata
Footballguy
I avoided this thread until I finished everything to avoid spoilers, but I do have one question that I'm confused on.
In the scene with Ruth, Marty, Wendy, and Claire in Claire's office where they're having it out, Wendy admits to lying to Ruth about knowing who shot Wyatt. We know Wendy has absolutely no reason to want to help Ruth whatsoever, so what would have caused her to suddenly do a complete 180 and call Javi to lure him back to the office? That part made zero sense to me.
In the scene with Ruth, Marty, Wendy, and Claire in Claire's office where they're having it out, Wendy admits to lying to Ruth about knowing who shot Wyatt. We know Wendy has absolutely no reason to want to help Ruth whatsoever, so what would have caused her to suddenly do a complete 180 and call Javi to lure him back to the office? That part made zero sense to me.
Wendy says in that same episode to Marty "you clearly don't know people's will". She knew Ruth was gonna kill Javi, nothing was stopping her. She was just moving things along.
offdee
Footballguy
Yep, exactly. It was going to happen regardless at some point....this way at least Wendy and Marty can witness the details, cleanup, etc so they are 100% in the know of what all went down to be able to cover their tracks appropriately and plan next steps with the aftermath.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
But that's the whole point of the ending - the rich and powerful get away with everything while the "little guys" get the shaft.
simey
Footballguy
Yeah, she realized earlier when she overheard Marty on the phone that he wasn't going to warn Javi that Ruth was going to try to kill him, because Marty was protecting Ruth. She lied to Ruth telling her that Javi went to Mexico for three months, but the lie didn't work. Wendy knew once they encountered Ruth in Chicago that she was going to have to let her kill him, and make other plans. She told Marty it was "inevitable" when Marty told her in the hotel room that she was the one who called Javi.jobarules said:
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Charlie Harper
Footballguy
The series was good, but what made me disappointed is that Marty is the same, weak guy at the end. I thought the writers were setting up Marty to make a choice at the end on who he gets to choose lives: Wendy or Ruth.
If he made a more deliberate choice between the two I would've been more satisfied with the ending either way. However, Marty never goes full heel or makes a true face turn.
If he made a more deliberate choice between the two I would've been more satisfied with the ending either way. However, Marty never goes full heel or makes a true face turn.
E Street Brat
Footballguy
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I guess from my perspective, I didn't view the Byrdes as rich and powerful. They scrambled the entire series to come up with emergency contingencies and crazy plans to stay alive. In the grand scheme of things with the cartel, some of the politicians, the drug company, the Snell's drug money, etc. were the Byrdes rich, powerful, or in control of anything? To me, they were flying by the seat of their pants and scrambling all the time. They just happened to be luckier or more fortunate than Ruth and the other locals. I would slot them in the "little guys" category.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
By the end of the series they were politically connected while also having the backing of a powerful cartel. I mean you did watch the last episode where they held that big fundraiser.
Wendy Bird basically laid out what I said to the Chicago cop right before he gets shot.
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Runkle
Footballguy
Yeah they made Wendy so hate-able, all of her decisions just made their situation more difficult, but she got everything in the end. Marty didn't win at all.
