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McGarnicle said:
The show's got some plot holes you could drive an aircraft carrier through, but it's mindless fun. 
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Season 1 spoiler alert...

I am two episodes into finally watching this show. The performances are great so far, particularly Bateman, but I already can't get past the fact that he left $8M in suitcases under the bed at a 1 star roadside motel expecting his two children to guard it unknowingly. Literally nobody in the world would make that choice. And despite having suitcases full of cash on hand, this money laundering mastermind is also paying for this dive motel and everything else with a credit card, easily providing the Feds with his exact location and undermining one of the primary reasons for going to the Ozarks. If those are the types of decisions that are going to drive the story forward, I'm out from here. 

 
snogger said:
At first glance I was sadden and disappointed by the last death.. But after watching the "Ozark wrap-up" it made sense on the why, but didn't lessen the :(  

that wrap-up show was tremendous.. Made me want to restart the series..

After seeing the final season..

1a Breaking Bad

1b Ozark... And it is VERY close, IMO, and wouldn't disagree if someone swapped them.
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Wow man ozark isn’t even in the same conversation as breaking bad. It’s not even a top-20 show imo. 

 
TwinTurbo said:
Thanks, I'm definitely tapping out after S1, E2 then. Not joking, I can spend time on something else. 
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Overall, it was fine as a series. Nothing I’ll remember or ever want to think about again. People saying this is one of their favorite shows ever are crazy to me but taste is subjective. It was just empty calories, a tv version of a moon pie. 

 
Capella said:
About to watch the last episode. This is one of the worst final seasons of tv I’ve ever seen. Terrible. 
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Disagree but you're entitled to your opinion

TwinTurbo said:
Thanks, I'm definitely tapping out after S1, E2 then. Not joking, I can spend time on something else. 
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I just did this with Raised by Wolves. Forced myself to finish season one but just couldn't do any more. Everybody has different tastes. I really enjoyed Ozark and while I didn't like the ending it was more about who got ended (and who didn't) rather than the writing.

 
beer 30 said:
Disagree but you're entitled to your opinion

I just did this with Raised by Wolves. Forced myself to finish season one but just couldn't do any more. Everybody has different tastes. I really enjoyed Ozark and while I didn't like the ending it was more about who got ended (and who didn't) rather than the writing.
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See I don’t care who died, that’s fine to me. The writing in the final season was just atrocious, so much plot armor for the Byrde family and everybody making decisions that didn’t make sense just to move things along. It was really bad imo. 

 
Courtjester said:
Spoilers!!! 

Spoilers!!!!

All I know is if Clare Shaw isn't the most hated person in tv history. than I don't know who is, 

That dinner party scene reminded me of  the one from Heat where DeNiro has the money, has the girl and all he has to do is drive to the airport and be free, but NO!!! He has turn off to go after the guy who wronged him and ultimately to his demise. I have seen that movie a dozen times and even though I know it is coming and completely in line with who his character was, I still wish he would've kept driving. 

When Clare was asked that question by Navarro's sister, all she has to do was stay the course and everyone leaves happy--end of show. But NO!!! She has to spill the beans and unravel everything. Does she honestly think they will let her live now? I would have loved a 2 minute cut scene at the end of the show of something horrible happening to her. 

Great show. I don't think there was an ending that would have made everyone happy, but it was a great, great show. 
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Why would Clare stick her neck out to protect Ruth?  In Camila's mind the last contact Javi had with anyone was that text from Clare.  Camila's not stupid she knew that Clare knew.  Clare 100% did the right thing.  

 
Even if it wasn't perfect, I liked the series.  It is the only Netflix series I watched.

You can pick apart many things, one of the things that irritated me was the Mel PI character.  If a private eye was sniffing around a Mexican cartel he would have been 'teets-up' long before his demise.  

Loved the acting and character Laura Linney created.  Really interesting.

Loved the directorial decisions of Bateman and Robin Wright.  I knew Bateman would be terrific since I had seen some clips of him basically making directorial decisions in the comedy film Paul.  I was really impressed since he seemed to be coaching the director of that film and he wasn't being pedantic or condensing, he really knows his stuff.

The location of the Ozarks and specifically the Byrde house on the lake was unique.  It became a character unto iteself.

Loved many aspects of the writing, the politics/paying off everyone and how that was portrayed.  How money laundering is done on film interests me and was key to both Breaking Bad and basically was the heart of the Marty Byrde character that the entire series was built.  

Even with things I would have fixed, overall the positives outweighed the negatives and I really liked the show.

 
One thing to consider as well: Camilia killing Ruth the way she did seemed unrealistic.  Given that she is with the cartel and what she had just threated to do to Clare if she didn't tell her the truth right then and there, to give Ruth, the person who killed her son, a quick death like that just doesn't pass the sniff test. Granted, I am sure the writers knew that having a beloved character like Ruth peeled like an onion before being put down was not something watchers would have liked at all, but I think it speaks to how shaky and lazy the writing got in the last season. 

 
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Capella said:
See I don’t care who died, that’s fine to me. The writing in the final season was just atrocious, so much plot armor for the Byrde family and everybody making decisions that didn’t make sense just to move things along. It was really bad imo. 
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Agreed

It's one thing if a series finale doesn't stick the landing (I'm looking at you Seinfeld), but the entire last season was so far below what they had done that its extremely disappointing.

 
Ghost Rider said:
One thing to consider as well: Camilia killing Ruth the way she did seemed unrealistic.  Given that she is with the cartel and what she had just threated to do to Clare if she didn't tell her the truth right then and there, to give Ruth, the person who killed her son, a quick death like that just doesn't pass the sniff test. Granted, I am sure the writers knew that having a beloved character like Ruth peeled like an onion before being put down was not something watchers would have liked at all, but I think it speaks to how shaky and lazy the writing got in the last season. 
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Or that Camilla would actually be the one doing the dirty work...walking out of the bushes (corny).

To assume that Ruth (who killed her brother with a gun) and that she would just be acting alone (her partner recently killed a hitman from the roof of a trailer with a gun) with no guns on hand or plan for protection was silly.

If nothing else Camilla's personal hitman would've been the one doing the pulling of the trigger and taking on the dangers of Ruth or someone else on Ruth's side pulling a gun.

 
belljr said:
disappointing yes,  but makes sense....the people with money and power keep trucking and the take out whatever little person is in their way
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Exactly!

This was the whole point in the ending, I think.  And note this isn't my original idea here, but I read a pretty good article afterwards that said this looked like what they were going for.  It was an allegory on the American political/societal situation in these kind of scenarios.  The little guys lose (Ruth, Mel), while the oligarchs win.  They actually went kind of heavy handed on it in the last scene where Wendy kept saying "people like us win, people like you lose", and with Mel mentioning the Kochs and Kennedy's by name.

 
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I just finished it up.  There was definitely some plot holes and some serious suspension of disbelief necessary throughout the show (I find it hard to believe so many people would just tell a Mexican drug cartel that beheads people to screw off rather than being slightly inconvenienced) but overall I liked it better than BB, personally.  People forget now that the last season of BB was pretty uneven too.

I thought it would have been a better ending without the last scene involving Mel, and just ending with Ruth, but like I said above I think they were going for something very specific and non subtle there.

As to Ruth's ultimate fate, I love the character like everyone else but she had it coming.  She spat in the face of the cartel way too many times and too stupidly, and she wasn't exactly the most benevolent character the last season.  Worst of all, the last season when she kept screwing the Byrde's out of being able launder through the casino she was essentially resigning to Jonah and Charlotte to being brutally murdered by the cartel and she didn't seem to care.  "Yeah, you got yourself in that situation Marty, you deal with it, it's not my problem if your family gets murdered".  Kind of a crappy move especially given how much she cared about Jonah. 

 
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FreeBaGeL said:
resigning to Jonah and Charlotte to being brutally murdered by the cartel and she didn't seem to care.  "Yeah, you got yourself in that situation Marty, you deal with it, it's not my problem if your family gets murdered".  Kind of a crappy move especially given how much she cared about Jonah. 
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Right, that’s a pretty big “nothing the characters did made any sense” point.

 
It definitely limped to the finish line, but it did wrap up pretty much how it had to.

Power plays and upheavals lead to necessary moves of desperation and collateral damage. Whatcha gonna do?

 
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I have not gotten to the end.  2 episodes to go.  So I didn't read any posts above.  But I think the writing this season is horrible.  Too many plot twists that don't make sense.  Laura Linney has somehow learned to overact even more than already.  Nothing she does is believable even stretching the story.  Plot spoilers below so please don't read if still going but none of these make sense to me...

Grandad basically getting a 15 year old at a 5 minute hearing?  A cartel sister is a cool plot twist, but it's too rushed.  Ruth getting the casino, and reaching out to a person that hasn't been on the show in 3 seasons.  Charlotte is an interesting story and they totally over look it.  Marty getting weaker and weaker as a character.  The twists with the PI.   I dunno.  I mean Ozark was like a top 15 show for me.  Maybe higher in Seasons 2 and 3.  This season has not been written well IMO.  The acting except for Linney is still good.  It's just the reactions to each event by the entire character list make 0 sense.

 
Brunell4MVP said:
I have not gotten to the end.  2 episodes to go.  So I didn't read any posts above.  But I think the writing this season is horrible.  Too many plot twists that don't make sense.  Laura Linney has somehow learned to overact even more than already.  Nothing she does is believable even stretching the story.  Plot spoilers below so please don't read if still going but none of these make sense to me...

Grandad basically getting a 15 year old at a 5 minute hearing?  A cartel sister is a cool plot twist, but it's too rushed.  Ruth getting the casino, and reaching out to a person that hasn't been on the show in 3 seasons.  Charlotte is an interesting story and they totally over look it.  Marty getting weaker and weaker as a character.  The twists with the PI.   I dunno.  I mean Ozark was like a top 15 show for me.  Maybe higher in Seasons 2 and 3.  This season has not been written well IMO.  The acting except for Linney is still good.  It's just the reactions to each event by the entire character list make 0 sense.
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Lol just wait till you’re done 

 
Why did Navarro send Nelson after Ruth and Rachel? He didn't know for sure that Ruth killed Javi, did he?

I guess Three now owns the Lazy-O Motel but he's gonna need a new manager and accountant. Big loose end there.

 
roadkill1292 said:
Why did Navarro send Nelson after Ruth and Rachel? He didn't know for sure that Ruth killed Javi, did he?

I guess Three now owns the Lazy-O Motel but he's gonna need a new manager and accountant. Big loose end there.
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So many holes id swear there was another season coming

 
roadkill1292 said:
Why did Navarro send Nelson after Ruth and Rachel? He didn't know for sure that Ruth killed Javi, did he?
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I believe he was going after them because they were blocking the use of the casino for money laundering, not for the death of Javi.  I think it was Wendy who put him on their tail, not Navarro.

I guess Three now owns the Lazy-O Motel but he's gonna need a new manager and accountant. Big loose end there.
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I don't see this as a big loose end...who really cares?  Lazy-O doesn't have any purpose any more.

 
The fact that the writers killed off Ruth and let Wendy live shows me someone dropped the ball and nobody recovered it,what a mistake ,could have saved the finale from totally sucking

 
Pipes said:
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Agree 100% with EoMMan.  With how street smart Ruth is her ending was terrible.  It's like she just gave up by pulling over and getting out of her vehicle.  
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Seemed pretty consistent with her character.  No fear whatsoever.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Exactly!

This was the whole point in the ending, I think.  And note this isn't my original idea here, but I read a pretty good article afterwards that said this looked like what they were going for.  It was an allegory on the American political/societal situation in these kind of scenarios.  The little guys lose (Ruth, Mel), while the oligarchs win.  They actually went kind of heavy handed on it in the last scene where Wendy kept saying "people like us win, people like you lose", and with Mel mentioning the Kochs and Kennedy's by name.
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Yup.  I thought the ending was great.  Not satisfying, but great.

 
Ghost Rider said:
One thing to consider as well: Camilia killing Ruth the way she did seemed unrealistic.  Given that she is with the cartel and what she had just threated to do to Clare if she didn't tell her the truth right then and there, to give Ruth, the person who killed her son, a quick death like that just doesn't pass the sniff test. Granted, I am sure the writers knew that having a beloved character like Ruth peeled like an onion before being put down was not something watchers would have liked at all, but I think it speaks to how shaky and lazy the writing got in the last season. 
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This also stood out to me but I guess they just wanted to keep up the pace and do it quickly, no way that's how things would have went especially after Camilla threatened to cut Clare from her chin to her ****, or something like that.

 
Lehigh98 said:
This also stood out to me but I guess they just wanted to keep up the pace and do it quickly, no way that's how things would have went especially after Camilla threatened to cut Clare from her chin to her ****, or something like that.
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***spoilers***

I think it was from her #### to her chin :)

I can see how that threat would work on most people. 

The van crash was odd. My first thought was why bother at all but my better half reminded me that it was a positive sign as Wendy said to the Priest later.   Also it likely brought the family a little closer together. I still think it was cheesy to have opened the season with it but I suppose it got the speculation train rolling.  The fact nobody had any injuries was completely unbelievable and I guess all the passersby knew it was the Byrds and decided not to help at all.

I had forgotten about Lickety Splitz. A crying shame they never went there for a scene or tow for some gratuitous boob shots.

Great series. I'm not sure how I feel about the ending. Could have been better, could have been worse, I suppose.

 
TwinTurbo said:
Thanks, I'm definitely tapping out after S1, E2 then. Not joking, I can spend time on something else. 
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What??? This is a fantastic show. And Season 4 was good.....no ending ever satisfies most....it was not bad...but it was not great.

But the ride was awesome. 

Oh well....your gonna miss out on some great TV.

 
Todem said:
What??? This is a fantastic show. And Season 4 was good.....no ending ever satisfies most....it was not bad...but it was not great.

But the ride was awesome. 

Oh well....your gonna miss out on some great TV.
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Agreed - also I would never even come into a thread until I’ve finished the latest season.  

 
Huh.  I just finished it and I came in here expecting to see a bunch of positive reviews.  I guess I'm an outlier, but I really liked the last season despite a few, um, unrealistic plot points (e.g. Marty running the cartel). 

Otherwise, I really liked the focus on Ruth during this last season and thought they did that part pitch-perfect.  She finally got a chance to assume some agency for herself, and she was at peace with the choices she made.  I can overlook the occasional plot hole here and there for what was for me a satisfying conclusion.

 
I could have done with something way more subtle than the very final scene, but I liked the juxtaposition.  People like the Byrds always manage to come out on top.  People like Ruth (and the Snells) don't.  This show leaned really hard into the culture of the Ozarks, and I thought it was cool that they paid that off in the end.  I like Ruth's ending better than I like Jessie Pinkman's.  

 
Todem said:
What??? This is a fantastic show. And Season 4 was good.....no ending ever satisfies most....it was not bad...but it was not great.

But the ride was awesome. 

Oh well....your gonna miss out on some great TV.
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Ok maybe I will stick with it then. There are so many choices for shows now and less time than ever. 

 
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