offdee
Footballguy
This is the downside to the one episode per week like Better Call Saul. Can't dissect episodes and point out nuances. Oh well, I'll survive.avoiding this thread till next week
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offdee
Footballguy
Watching the first new episode, ep 8. What was up with the diner scene and Ruth talking to the music guy, him taking her earphones to listen to song and then her seeing 2 dogs in rear view mirror? Was all that her hallucinating from no sleep and stress?!
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The Big Donkey
Footballguy
I love this show.
edit: Marty at the end of episode 11. woopah.
edit: Marty at the end of episode 11. woopah.
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Klimtology
Footballguy
How long are the episodes again?
Anyone know?
Anyone know?
Galileo
Footballguy
About an hour...some a couple minutes shorter, some a couple minutes longer.How long are the episodes again?
Anyone know?
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
great show, and i'm all in. didn't like the 2nd to last scene at all.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
I have liked the show a lot (falls short of the all time greats). I can see how the ending is underwhelming. I had somewhat guessed they were heading towards ending on that motif that another show used.
We don't really have spoiler function anymore so I will wait to say more.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Such a "Gliding Over All" feel to a lot of that characters' arc in these final episodes.
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Runkle
Footballguy
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
snogger
Footballguy
At first glance I was sadden and disappointed by the last death.. But after watching the "Ozark wrap-up" it made sense on the why, but didn't lessen the :(
that wrap-up show was tremendous.. Made me want to restart the series..
After seeing the final season..
1a Breaking Bad
1b Ozark... And it is VERY close, IMO, and wouldn't disagree if someone swapped them.
that wrap-up show was tremendous.. Made me want to restart the series..
After seeing the final season..
1a Breaking Bad
1b Ozark... And it is VERY close, IMO, and wouldn't disagree if someone swapped them.
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Desert_Power
Footballguy
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Clown Car
Footballguy
GordonGekko
Footballguy
Introducing Navarro's sister this late in the overall storyline was too jarring. We never heard of her before or saw her before.
I don't buy that Ruth would stay. After the end of Episode 8, and after what happened to her cousin, she would just cash out as soon as Frank Jr helped her with that truck load, sell as much as she could and ran.
I despised both kids in the show.
The best ending to the show would be Navarro's sister telling Marty and Wendy that they would have to pick which of their children gets to live and which one gets to die, one has to pay for being involved over Javi. Then have each parent name a different child and have the gunshot happened off screen.
The real problem here is the show runners wanted to leave another sequel for down the road or some movies as options. Same problem for the ending of 24 and Dexter and countless other shows.
Midnight Mass is really an example of sterling storytelling and being respectful to the audience. Midnight Mass could have milked itself for 36-40 episodes to tell that story. Instead it was a 7 tightly packed episodes that focused on good writing and a good narrative and being honest with the characters.
The biggest loss here was the Marty/Ruth relationship. The Marty written in the previous seasons would have just told her to run. Wendy Byrde is the biggest advertisement against marriage since Julia McNamara on Nip/Tuck. I know so many Wendys in real life. Just lurking around looking for new targets to grind down and destroy their lives.
kupcho1
Footballguy
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
No shame in not holding up to classics like Breaking Bad and It’s Your Move.
I'm not sure that's Jason Bateman's 2nd best show let alone the 2nd best of all time.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
I’m not sure I can be objective. This is a case where what I imagined the series would do was different than the direction they ended up going. And while I think my concept made more sense, maybe I’m just a narcissist.
I don’t think the show ever really got back to the highs it during Ben’s arc. Which is really the only time it felt like prestige TV to me. It was always well-acted and watchable, but it was often kind of all over the place.
I don’t think the show ever really got back to the highs it during Ben’s arc. Which is really the only time it felt like prestige TV to me. It was always well-acted and watchable, but it was often kind of all over the place.
kupcho1
Footballguy
I was thinking
1. Arrested Development
2. It's Your Move
3. Ozark
4. Little House on the Prairie
5. Valerie
kupcho1
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Mark me down as another highly disappointed with how this ended. The acting was always top notch, but the writing was a bit scattershot, even hokey, at times, and it feels like they really missed the mark with this ending. This could have been an all-timer with a great ending, but with this ending, no.
And ultimately, the flash forward at the start of the season earlier this year meant nothing. They all walked away from the car accident and went about their days like nothing had just happened.
And ultimately, the flash forward at the start of the season earlier this year meant nothing. They all walked away from the car accident and went about their days like nothing had just happened.
PhillipPhoto
Footballguy
That's my take on it too. She freed the two bobcats in season 2 if you remember. Most of the episode was her flashing back. A cat was one of the artifacts in the symbol at the beginning of the episode.
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Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
I agree. I was hoping that the fact that Ruth owned the casino (the largest business to launder the money through) would somehow keep her alive. It did offer an out. I think Ruth's death/disappearance would likely end the FBI / Navarro deal.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
I kind of discussed it earlier in this thread after Season 3. It was obvious they weren’t going in that direction in the first half of season 4, but my thought was that Charlotte would have to save Jonah by informing on her parents to Maya. The idea being that for all Marty talked about doing everything to protect his family, the only way Charlotte could prevent Jonah from turning into a sociopath was to get him away from his toxic parents.
I didn’t give a ton of thought to how Ruth’s story would be resolved, but I imagine you could still have her lose Wyatt and then end as sort of the same type of surrogate parent/sibling figure for the Byrd kids that she was for Wyatt and Three.
snogger
Footballguy
you can not like how it ended, while at the same time understand that from episode one, the ending matched the narrative and thus enjoy it.
snogger
Footballguy
It popped up on Netflix as "watch next" after the finale.. And as I said, it made me want to restart the series.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Trying to avoid seeing spoilers... I'm just geekin out on Illmatic on rotation throughout Episode 8.
offdee
Footballguy
** Spoilers below, so don't read if haven't finished! **
Misc random thoughts:
- The black dress shooting the white dress was a nice subtle touch. Interesting after all Ruth had done they still portrayed her as the "angel" (in white) getting killed by evil (in black).
- On that same theme, the other storyline with the church and the awkward dude getting baptized "new beginnings" carried over into Ruth. They were obviously playing up her change to be better moving forward as a second chance which ultimately signified her in the white dress as being "forgiven" without ever formally going through any religious ceremonies. To me is showing everyone can be a good person in however mode they choose...you don't need to formally be a part of the church/religion to be an internally good soul.
- I believe the Jonah ending is showing how much he's turned into his parents. Calm without any remorse like his mom (shooting the PI), and smart and skillful with money like Dad. We knew about the like Dad part already, but the mom came out right at the end. Also signifies that this family business won't be ending anytime soon and Jonah is fully capable of leading even when his parents are gone. I also enjoyed the subtle line earlier of Jonah saying he's gonna play it straight for a while....then an hour later he's blowing a guy's brains out. (but Jonah is still a dweeb)
- It also made me mad why Ruth just didn't record the grandpa saying all those things about the kids and her just playing it back for them (and blackmailing the grandpa with what he said against the church). I thought for sure she was pulling out a recording device when she reached for the gun. Damnit Ruth, think ahead!
- And no way does gramps turn down $2 Million ultimately knowing it really wasn't about saving the kids. Shoddy writing there.
- Earlier post about an alternate ending idea where the cartel woman said to payback for her brother that Marty and Wendy would need to pick one of their kids to die (My family member dies so one of your family members die. Choose). And then the ending is just a gunshot but we never see who they chose to sacrifice (or if they put sublte nuances to make us believe Marty possibly took one for the family knowing Jonah could handle the laundering money part). At first read that would've been pretty epic. But after further thought, it would be pretty clear that they'd off Charlotte if given that scenario. I mean, what value does she provide other than just driving the brother around in that big tan van?
Misc random thoughts:
- The black dress shooting the white dress was a nice subtle touch. Interesting after all Ruth had done they still portrayed her as the "angel" (in white) getting killed by evil (in black).
- On that same theme, the other storyline with the church and the awkward dude getting baptized "new beginnings" carried over into Ruth. They were obviously playing up her change to be better moving forward as a second chance which ultimately signified her in the white dress as being "forgiven" without ever formally going through any religious ceremonies. To me is showing everyone can be a good person in however mode they choose...you don't need to formally be a part of the church/religion to be an internally good soul.
- I believe the Jonah ending is showing how much he's turned into his parents. Calm without any remorse like his mom (shooting the PI), and smart and skillful with money like Dad. We knew about the like Dad part already, but the mom came out right at the end. Also signifies that this family business won't be ending anytime soon and Jonah is fully capable of leading even when his parents are gone. I also enjoyed the subtle line earlier of Jonah saying he's gonna play it straight for a while....then an hour later he's blowing a guy's brains out. (but Jonah is still a dweeb)
- It also made me mad why Ruth just didn't record the grandpa saying all those things about the kids and her just playing it back for them (and blackmailing the grandpa with what he said against the church). I thought for sure she was pulling out a recording device when she reached for the gun. Damnit Ruth, think ahead!
- And no way does gramps turn down $2 Million ultimately knowing it really wasn't about saving the kids. Shoddy writing there.
- Earlier post about an alternate ending idea where the cartel woman said to payback for her brother that Marty and Wendy would need to pick one of their kids to die (My family member dies so one of your family members die. Choose). And then the ending is just a gunshot but we never see who they chose to sacrifice (or if they put sublte nuances to make us believe Marty possibly took one for the family knowing Jonah could handle the laundering money part). At first read that would've been pretty epic. But after further thought, it would be pretty clear that they'd off Charlotte if given that scenario. I mean, what value does she provide other than just driving the brother around in that big tan van?
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Courtjester
The Town Drunk
Spoilers!!!
Spoilers!!!!
All I know is if Clare Shaw isn't the most hated person in tv history. than I don't know who is,
That dinner party scene reminded me of the one from Heat where DeNiro has the money, has the girl and all he has to do is drive to the airport and be free, but NO!!! He has turn off to go after the guy who wronged him and ultimately to his demise. I have seen that movie a dozen times and even though I know it is coming and completely in line with who his character was, I still wish he would've kept driving.
When Clare was asked that question by Navarro's sister, all she has to do was stay the course and everyone leaves happy--end of show. But NO!!! She has to spill the beans and unravel everything. Does she honestly think they will let her live now? I would have loved a 2 minute cut scene at the end of the show of something horrible happening to her.
Great show. I don't think there was an ending that would have made everyone happy, but it was a great, great show.
Spoilers!!!!
All I know is if Clare Shaw isn't the most hated person in tv history. than I don't know who is,
That dinner party scene reminded me of the one from Heat where DeNiro has the money, has the girl and all he has to do is drive to the airport and be free, but NO!!! He has turn off to go after the guy who wronged him and ultimately to his demise. I have seen that movie a dozen times and even though I know it is coming and completely in line with who his character was, I still wish he would've kept driving.
When Clare was asked that question by Navarro's sister, all she has to do was stay the course and everyone leaves happy--end of show. But NO!!! She has to spill the beans and unravel everything. Does she honestly think they will let her live now? I would have loved a 2 minute cut scene at the end of the show of something horrible happening to her.
Great show. I don't think there was an ending that would have made everyone happy, but it was a great, great show.
offdee
Footballguy
Why wouldn’t they let Clare live? Don’t they need her as one of their big drug purchasers? And Claire didn’t kill the guy and she ultimately was honest about it. Claire had ZERO care for Ruth…why would she risk her life and just the constant stress of keeping that info when she literally met the girl for 20 minutes and all she did was threaten them. If I was Claire I would’ve done the same thing from her point of view.
Runkle
Footballguy
One thread that was dropped.... Javi and his professor. When Wendy and Marty were questioned about Javi's whereabouts, they said "we had a meeting with him in the afternoon. Then we went out to dinner with Claire. Javi told us he was going to dinner with an old teacher. We haven't seen him since."
...and the cartel investigator never followed up? Had she, she would have found the professor beaten to within an inch of his life, bruised, bloodied, even days later... a perfect scenario to throw doubt and suspicion away from the Byrdes. But that just went nowhere? I thought that was going to open the door for Wendy to talk her way out of it, or for Marty to spin some yarn about a dispute, a fight, something that obviously happened with Javi that night that they had nothing to do with.
Hell, even mentioning to his mother that the guy Javi had dinner with after leaving the Byrdes was obviously in some kind of ruckus with him would have tempered her aggression towards Wendy and Marty. But it just... didn't happen?
...and the cartel investigator never followed up? Had she, she would have found the professor beaten to within an inch of his life, bruised, bloodied, even days later... a perfect scenario to throw doubt and suspicion away from the Byrdes. But that just went nowhere? I thought that was going to open the door for Wendy to talk her way out of it, or for Marty to spin some yarn about a dispute, a fight, something that obviously happened with Javi that night that they had nothing to do with.
Hell, even mentioning to his mother that the guy Javi had dinner with after leaving the Byrdes was obviously in some kind of ruckus with him would have tempered her aggression towards Wendy and Marty. But it just... didn't happen?
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Desert_Power
Footballguy
** Spoilers below, so don't read if haven't finished! **
Do we really know that he did though? The implication is that he did that and learned to take a full measure (vs the half measure with Helen earlier), but he very easily could have shot his mother. Or into the air.
I predicted (to my wife) the fade to black/Sopranos style ending a couple episodes out just because of how inconsistent the characters are. That piece actually fits well.
