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Ozark on Netflix (2 Viewers)

AAABatteries said:
Then why were they surprised by the truck?  Also, why take that risk - that looked bad enough where one of them could actually die.  I’m onboard with the idea of them taking their own deaths but not in that way. 
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nysfl2 said:
No way that the whole family would be in the car for that accident if they were planning on faking their deaths. The kids, for sure, would be safely in a 2nd vehicle, and fake bodies put in the car afterwards.
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How dare you doubt the craftiness of Sir Martin Byrde....

 
BigJohn said:
How dare you doubt the craftiness of Sir Martin Byrde....
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if they are using that to fake their deaths I don't believe it was planned that way.  I think the accident ends up providing a cover because it happened but not that it was planned ahead of time.  

 
Golden Retriever's Hilarious Expression While Watching 'Ozark' Goes Viral—'Too Intense'

Agolden retriever's hilariously tense reaction to the latest season of the hit Netflix series Ozark is proving popular with pet lovers and fans of the show alike.

In a video posted to TikTok by Enzo Potato, the dog can be seen watching the gripping moment FBI Agent Maya Miller has a face-to-face meeting with Mexican cartel boss Omar Navarro in Episode 3 of the brand new Season 4 of the show.

It's a tense moment to say the least and the drama of it all is clearly not lost on the watching pooch, as the footage shared to social media suggests. It can be viewed here.

 
I think Charles-Ann, aka Chuck, is going to show up again in Part 2. Ruth is running out of people that she can reach out to and trust.

 
simey said:
I think Charles-Ann, aka Chuck, is going to show up again in Part 2. Ruth is running out of people that she can reach out to and trust.
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I didn't get that scene. Why was Ruth there, and what was up with all the seed packets? That was the first time we have seen Chuck, right?

 
Considering how many times they showed the Snells selling their honey at the Farmer's Market, it seems a big waste that they never had Darlene kill anyone with her bees.  They could have had a mini-arc with Nic Cage.

 
I did love that anytime someone started talking #### to Darlene you saw her walk into the other room knowing a shotgun was coming out.

Still loving the show but getting a little complicated and the Byrdes have turned into a super combo of the Son's of Anarchy crew and Vic Mackey with their ability to stay one ahead of the bad guys :lol:

 
While the plot has gotten a little goofy, I think S4:E7 is now holds my person top spot for "major character death scene."  Everything about that was perfect.  It goes from 0 to 60 literally in about 5 seconds and manages to be shocking and emotionally satisfying while also being completely predictable.  I mean, one of the other characters literally predicted this exact scenario.  The writers nailed that one.

I was originally going to write something up contrasting this with the season 2 finale of The Sopranos where Big ##### gets clipped.  That takes up the entire episode.  We get all the preparations, everybody makes a little speech, they drink some tequila, and it goes on and on.  But then I remembered that just a week earlier was Knight In White Satin Armor which gave us the opposite.  That show had really tremendous range.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
While the plot has gotten a little goofy, I think S4:E7 is now holds my person top spot for "major character death scene."  Everything about that was perfect.  It goes from 0 to 60 literally in about 5 seconds and manages to be shocking and emotionally satisfying while also being completely predictable.  I mean, one of the other characters literally predicted this exact scenario.  The writers nailed that one.

I was originally going to write something up contrasting this with the season 2 finale of The Sopranos where Big ##### gets clipped.  That takes up the entire episode.  We get all the preparations, everybody makes a little speech, they drink some tequila, and it goes on and on.  But then I remembered that just a week earlier was Knight In White Satin Armor which gave us the opposite.  That show had really tremendous range.
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I’m not sure I’ve ever been happier by a characters death as I was with hers.  I was almost giddy - felt bad for half a second about Wyatt but dude was railing grandma, so that was short lived.  

 
IvanKaramazov said:
I felt bad for Wyatt.  He mad a bad choice, but he's not the brightest guy to start with.

I kept wondering if they were going to do something more with his relationship with Darlene.  In a similar but different show, with the genders reversed, this side plot probably would have been framed as a villainous male character exploiting a young and stupid girl.  It would have been interesting to see them explore that idea here, but obviously that won't be happening.  (I mean, I guess they did frame it that way kind of.  I'd have rewatch a lot of the show.) 
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I would agree with all of this UNTIL he watched her kill two people and then helped cover it up.  He considered running because of it but stuck around - he gets no sympathy from me.

 
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IvanKaramazov said:
While the plot has gotten a little goofy, I think S4:E7 is now holds my person top spot for "major character death scene."  Everything about that was perfect.  It goes from 0 to 60 literally in about 5 seconds and manages to be shocking and emotionally satisfying while also being completely predictable.  I mean, one of the other characters literally predicted this exact scenario.  The writers nailed that one.

I was originally going to write something up contrasting this with the season 2 finale of The Sopranos where Big ##### gets clipped.  That takes up the entire episode.  We get all the preparations, everybody makes a little speech, they drink some tequila, and it goes on and on.  But then I remembered that just a week earlier was Knight In White Satin Armor which gave us the opposite.  That show had really tremendous range.
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I do appreciate the Game of Thrones-esque manner in the way they off people in this show.

 
jobarules said:
This show is just insane. I think it has surpassed Breaking Bad for #1 TV drama of all time.
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I really enjoy the show but I can’t go that far - let’s see how they wrap things up but even if the last 7 episodes are the 7 best of the series I don’t think I’ll rank it that high.  I will say that the female lead (really all the female roles) aren’t even close - Wendy >>>> Skylar 

Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marie.

Jonah and Walt Jr. are both equally worthless.

But there’s no Walt, no Gus, no Saul. Not even a Jesse.  Marty can’t make up for that.  

 
AAABatteries said:
I really enjoy the show but I can’t go that far - let’s see how they wrap things up but even if the last 7 episodes are the 7 best of the series I don’t think I’ll rank it that high.  I will say that the female lead (really all the female roles) aren’t even close - Wendy >>>> Skylar 

Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marie.

Jonah and Walt Jr. are both equally worthless.

But there’s no Walt, no Gus, no Saul. Not even a Jesse.  Marty can’t make up for that.  
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I think people forget how boring the first season of BB was. Don't get me wrong it revs up and goes to GOAT status at around season 3. I've personally enjoyed Ozark more.

 
Incredible to think of how many people close to Ruth were killed because of the Byrdes. Her uncle, her father, her boyfriend, her cousin.

I loved the suddenness of the Darlene and Wyatt deaths.

 
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AAABatteries said:
I’m not sure I’ve ever been happier by a characters death as I was with hers.  I was almost giddy - felt bad for half a second about Wyatt but dude was railing grandma, so that was short lived.  
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I cannot remember the exact wording, but Ruth told Wyatt in S1 that it was a big advantage for them to be smart considering their line of work.  Turns out Wyatt was more of a doofus than even Ruth realized. 

 
AAABatteries said:
no Gus
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In watching Omar, there was something familiar in his performance, not in the actor, but I couldn't place it. It was something in how he spoke, his voice inflection.

I saw an old episode of Miami Vice, and then I remembered: the actor playing Navarro is channeling Edward James Olmos, just on the other side of the law.

 
Encyclopedia Brown said:
In watching Omar, there was something familiar in his performance, not in the actor, but I couldn't place it. It was something in how he spoke, his voice inflection.

I saw an old episode of Miami Vice, and then I remembered: the actor playing Navarro is channeling Edward James Olmos, just on the other side of the law.
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He is great in this. The nephew also great. 

 
AAABatteries said:
I really enjoy the show but I can’t go that far - let’s see how they wrap things up but even if the last 7 episodes are the 7 best of the series I don’t think I’ll rank it that high.  I will say that the female lead (really all the female roles) aren’t even close - Wendy >>>> Skylar 

Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marie.

Jonah and Walt Jr. are both equally worthless.

But there’s no Walt, no Gus, no Saul. Not even a Jesse.  Marty can’t make up for that.  
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Biggest factor is Walt >>>>>>Marty

Hank, Salamacchia, the twin nephews, Mike, Tuco, Todd. The skinhead gang dudes. They built up the tension on BB like few others shows have ever done. 

Really enjoy Ozark and looking forward to it but can’t be on that tier.

 
AAABatteries said:
I really enjoy the show but I can’t go that far - let’s see how they wrap things up but even if the last 7 episodes are the 7 best of the series I don’t think I’ll rank it that high.  I will say that the female lead (really all the female roles) aren’t even close - Wendy >>>> Skylar 

Ruth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marie.

Jonah and Walt Jr. are both equally worthless.

But there’s no Walt, no Gus, no Saul. Not even a Jesse.  Marty can’t make up for that.  
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To be fair Ruth is not comparably to Marie in character roles.  Ruth is Jesse Pinkman.  Compare those two. 
 

Marty is Walter

Wendy is Skylar

Ruth is Jesse

Jonah is Walt Jr

 
Went back and watched a the opening scene again - no chance they were planning their fake deaths there.

Everyone was wearing a seatbelt - so, in theory they could all survive.  But, you could see Charlotte's shirt/body in the last shot, and she was not strapped in...

 
offdee said:
To be fair Ruth is not comparably to Marie in character roles.  Ruth is Jesse Pinkman.  Compare those two. 
 

Marty is Walter

Wendy is Skylar

Ruth is Jesse

Jonah is Walt Jr
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Yep.  This is a very good show, but it's basically a re-skinned and re-imagined Breaking Bad.  That's not a bad thing, and Ozark is being thoughtful and creative about what it's doing.  It's not just a copy and paste.  

I actually kind of enjoy this type of thing -- a "reimagining" that isn't just dumbing-down the original.

(Also, I'm one of the people who loathed the finale of Breaking Bad.  I am hoping that Ozark does something better.)

 
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IvanKaramazov said:
I think S4:E7 is now holds my person top spot for "major character death scene."  Everything about that was perfect.
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I think that the previous season's episode when Ben was ordered killed by Wendy is hard to top. If the writers can surpass that episode, it would be an enormous accomplishment. Not quite up there with the "Ozymandias" episode from Breaking Bad, but it's not all that far behind either IMO. Tom Pelphrey was absolutely incredible in that short-lived performance and got totally shafted at the Emmys.

 
zamboni said:
I think that the previous season's episode when Ben was ordered killed by Wendy is hard to top. If the writers can surpass that episode, it would be an enormous accomplishment. Not quite up there with the "Ozymandias" episode from Breaking Bad, but it's not all that far behind either IMO. Tom Pelphrey was absolutely incredible in that short-lived performance and got totally shafted at the Emmys.
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That Ruth scene in the last episode was almost Ozymandias level.

 
offdee said:
To be fair Ruth is not comparably to Marie in character roles.  Ruth is Jesse Pinkman.  Compare those two. 
 

Marty is Walter

Wendy is Skylar

Ruth is Jesse

Jonah is Walt Jr
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Marty is based on Marcus Agrippa from ancient Rome. A man who started out of humble means and no social standing and no powerful family legacy who was known as a logical tactician and administrator.

Wendy is based on Julia The Elder, who was Octavian's daughter. She is the gateway to legitimacy for Marty in terms of social status, much in the way JTE was for Agrippa.

Darlene is based on Livia Servilla, the jealous backroom double dealer who sows chaos.

Ruth is a combination of Livia and Fulvia ( Mark Antony's former Roman wife)  Fulvia had the distinction of constantly having the powerful men in her life die off.

Jonah is Lucius Caesar and Charlotte is Julia The Younger.

Thematically Ozark is about the lack of self agency/self determination in your own fate. That social hierarchies are built upon dynastic principles and blood right. Marty elevated from poor beginnings and marrying Wendy was validation of his perception that he ascending into a higher tier into society. And that his children would be pulled up with him by that association. You'll see the same dynamic with Navarro and Wendy. There is a constant reminder that Wendy ( moreso than Marty) is the white public acceptable face of legitimacy. Navarro's nephew Javi is a psychopath but sees the danger in the Byrdes and what they represent. They sell the seduction of a world that they don't even get to inhabit into themselves.

Wendy didn't step down and take a "downgrade" in marrying Marty, she was clearly not fit for a real station into a higher tier of society. She can only operate by blackmail and bribing and murder. In essence, Wendy's social standing is a fraud because she is a fraud.

And what happened to Navarro? His attempt at being legitimate only made everything worse for him and his family. He didn't just want out, he wanted out and UPWARDS. Mostly for his children. He didn't want that blood from a drug name smearing their future legacy. But what he failed to understand is, in this universe and this world building, there is no real self determination.

Marty is so talented, as the FBI accountant Maya Miller points out, that he could do things no one else could do. If he was born into higher station, he could be powerful and be in a position to be powerful without all the bloodshed and criminal behavior. Ruth is capable and practical, Marty carries great affection for her because of how she makes him feel about himself. Unlike his own children, Ruth takes nothing for granted. Everything is a fight and she's willing to fight for it. She's not cultured and she has no sense of what high society calls "class" but she's fearless and she desperately wanted to change the destiny of her cousin Wyatt. She wanted him to go to college and do well in school so he could escape. She is trapped by legacy built around her. This is why there are the extend arguments between Ruth and Frank Jr about the appearance of being "fake" to a higher status of society around them. They aren't accepted, they are novelties in the way Tony Soprano was a novelty to Cusamano and his golf buddies.

Navarro had Helen Pierce killed. In part because she was sloppy and took massive risks clearly behind his back, but also because the "betrayal" was really a privileged white woman from a higher social class was taking actions that said she knew better and was smarter and should be the one making the real decisions. For Navarro, all he can do is threaten the Byrdes with death. But they can live out in the open. They have status and power in the open. While he has to hide like a rat in a cage waiting to be killed.

Charlotte loses her virginity like she was just another piece of poor white trash for a passerby and Wyatt says you are one of us. One of Frank Cosgrove's men tries to sleep with Erin, Helen's daughter, because she's from a different cut of cloth. She's legitimacy.

There's a reason some people work two jobs to get their kids into a better school. Where the other children and their parents are wealthier and have more opportunity and access to a higher social tier. While marriage is a gateway upwards, it usually has some kind of hidden deep diminishing returns. There's no way to cheat your station prescribed to you at birth.

Marty will always be the child without any coins to put into the arcade game. Ruth will always be the abandoned foul mouthed girl who lives in a trailer. Navarro will always be someone that a person like Wilkes will see as only good enough to clean out his garden.

Marcus Agrippa was one of the most accomplished men in all of recorded human history. But nothing he could do could escape the issue that in his society and to the world around him, he didn't have "one drop of good blood in him"

Octavian was told directly that Agrippa was too powerful and too beloved by the rank and file men in the military. If he didn't make him a part of his actual family, then the only choice would be to murder him as a threat to his power.

In every instance of Marty's criminal life, he is pulled into some aspect of a criminal family because he is too valuable to be killed. But the danger is always there. Jacob, Del, Cade, Helen, Wilkes, Cosgrove, everyone understood the danger Marty presented as a threat to their existing power.

Ben and Wyatt perished as a consequence of their "attachment" to a life that they could not hold onto and a life that could never really have. Both deviated from their "station" and their "tier" but unlike Marty, had nothing to give back in value to the world to justify their survival. Both started out as characters who wanted to be happy. Wyatt wanted to be left alone and Ben just wanted to laugh and see the day to day beauty of the world. When they didn't buck their place in society, they were spared the violence. When they fought for something different without leverage, they died.

Ozark is nothing like Breaking Bad. Ozark is a discussion of how one cannot control their fate because none of us truly have free will. Breaking Bad is a discussion of tragedy that comes from a lack of authenticity to one's true nature.

 
I avoided this thread once the show was released, since I knew it would get spoilery really quick.

Great half season!

That scream Ruth gave to Marty at the end was epic. Another amazing season from her so far.

It's always so much more shocking when there's a killing so sudden and random of major characters, ala the Red Wedding. No conversation. Just done...gone. wow Poor Wyatt.

I thought for sure the car crash would end Part 1. I wonder where it will be in Part 2.

 
AAABatteries said:
IvanKaramazov said:
Killing somebody with bees seems needlessly complicated when they'll just politely stand there in your living room waiting to take a shotgun blast to the chest.
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Less cleanup.
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i see that someone has never seen the carnage that a hive full of wild bees will inflict when it kills a man dead its ok snowflake nature isnt for everyone take that to the bank brohans

 
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