P. Manning vs. Roethlisberger (1 Viewer)

[Ghost Rider]

If you were an NFL GM and could have your choice of starting your franchise with Peyton Manning or Ben Roethlisberger, which quarterback would you choose?

 

[djcolts]

Roethlisberger. He's much younger, more mobile, and he's shown this post-season how much he can rise to the occassion.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Earlier this season, I'd have said Manning without a doubt. While I still think he's a much better QB than Roethlisberger right now, I honestly believe Roethlisberger has more potential. Peyton has maybe the best football IQ of any QB that ever lived, but he does seem to shrink under pressure, and his feet of stone mean he's borderline useless if he doesn't get ample time to throw. Roethlisberger's mobility gives him an edge in physical tools, and he already seems to have more moxie, if he develops the mental aspect of his game to the point where he's in Manning's ballpark, I think he has the potential to be one of the greats.

 

[The (Grid)Iron Giant]

To me, the debate is B-Roth or Brady, not Manning. As someone who has no rooting interest in any of those teams, I am flabbergasteed by where Big Ben is after 1.9 years. Most of the guys with that "it" quality to win big games and make clutch throws while appearing utterly unflustered never have the ridiculously elite physical tools Ben has. Think Montana, Brady, even Young. The last guy with _this_ much going on was Elway in his prime, maybe Favre, too. But neither of them showed the whole package this early, though Elway was much closer. So maybe the real question is Elway or Roethlisberger...

 

[iSnitch]

Roethlisberger: 2 March 1982Manning: 24 March 1976Neither one is close to retirement but if you're also going to factor in how much each one costs I'll take Big Ben. However there is no wrong answer to this.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Roethlisberger: 2 March 1982

Manning: 24 March 1976

Neither one is close to retirement but if you're also going to factor in how much each one costs I'll take Big Ben. However there is no wrong answer to this.

Roethlisberger has so few miles on him, that's why I chose him. He played 3 years in college and 2 in the NFL thus far, and he's this good. His potential is frightening, and even if he only plays until he's 35, he still has at least 12 more years to his career (barring injury)

 

[glumpy]

:hijack:Just had this emailed to me and thought wouldn't be too big a reach in this thread!

Peyton Manning died. When he got to heaven, God was showing him around. They came to a modest little house with a faded Colts flag in the window. "This house is yours for eternity, Peyton." said God. "This is very special; not everyone gets a house up here." Peyton felt special and walked up to his house. On his way up the porch, he noticed another house. It was a 3-story mansion with a Black and Gold sidewalk, a 50 foot tall flagpole with an enormous Steeler flag and in every window, a Terrible towel. Peyton looked at God and said "God, I'm not trying to be ungrateful, but, why does Ben Roethlisberger get a better house than me?" God chuckled, and said "Peyton that's not Ben's house, it's mine."

:/hijack:

 

[JohnnyU]

:hijack:

Just had this emailed to me and thought wouldn't be too big a reach in this thread!

Peyton Manning died. When he got to heaven, God was showing him around. They came to a modest little house with a faded Colts flag in the window. "This house is yours for eternity, Peyton." said God. "This is very special; not everyone gets a house up here." Peyton felt special and walked up to his house. On his way up the porch, he noticed another house. It was a 3-story mansion with a Black and Gold sidewalk, a 50 foot tall flagpole with an enormous Steeler flag and in every window, a Terrible towel. Peyton looked at God and said "God, I'm not trying to be ungrateful, but, why does Ben Roethlisberger get a better house than me?" God chuckled, and said "Peyton that's not Ben's house, it's mine."

:/hijack:

That was also used with Tom Brady instead of Roethlisberger. Old joke.

 

[DoctorDetroit]

I think Roethlisberger could very well be the next Vince Young. He's that good.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I think Roethlisberger could very well be the next Vince Young. He's that good.

I think you have that backwards. Roethlisberger is already a proven NFL QB. Young has yet to play a down in the NFL.

 

[DoctorDetroit]

I think Roethlisberger could very well be the next Vince Young.  He's that good.

I think you have that backwards. Roethlisberger is already a proven NFL QB. Young has yet to play a down in the NFL.

Guess you weren't around much two weeks ago.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I think Roethlisberger could very well be the next Vince Young.  He's that good.

I think you have that backwards. Roethlisberger is already a proven NFL QB. Young has yet to play a down in the NFL.

It sounded like he was being sarcastic.....

 

[bagger.]

Roethlisberger. He's much younger, more mobile, and he's shown this post-season how much he can rise to the occassion.

Big Ben has "IT", Manning does not.

Manning can run up his personal stats against mediocre teams in meaningless regular season games, but when it comes to crunch time give me Big Ben to win me a Super Bowl.

Ben will have won a SB in his second season before Archie, Peyton, or Eli.

 

[jurb26]

:hijack:

Just had this emailed to me and thought wouldn't be too big a reach in this thread!

Peyton Manning died. When he got to heaven, God was showing him around. They came to a modest little house with a faded Colts flag in the window. "This house is yours for eternity, Peyton." said God. "This is very special; not everyone gets a house up here." Peyton felt special and walked up to his house. On his way up the porch, he noticed another house. It was a 3-story mansion with a Black and Gold sidewalk, a 50 foot tall flagpole with an enormous Steeler flag and in every window, a Terrible towel. Peyton looked at God and said "God, I'm not trying to be ungrateful, but, why does Ben Roethlisberger get a better house than me?" God chuckled, and said "Peyton that's not Ben's house, it's mine."

:/hijack:

That was also used with Tom Brady instead of Roethlisberger. Old joke.

That was used by my college football coach my freshman year the week before our rival game. Yeah, thats a very old joke. I got that email too though.

 

[faulkfan]

The great thing about Ben is that he has found all this success on a team that has nothing else. No running game. No decent WRs. No defense covering his behind if he does make a mistake. He has pretty much had to carry this franchise all by himself and has done so with amazing ease. Manning could never do this.

 

[bagger.]

The great thing about Ben is that he has found all this success on a team that has nothing else. No running game. No decent WRs. No defense covering his behind if he does make a mistake. He has pretty much had to carry this franchise all by himself and has done so with amazing ease. Manning could never do this.

defense: #3 points allowed, #4 yardage allowedrushing offense: #5 in yards & TDs, #1 in attempts

 

[Jason Wood]

If Big Ben wins the Bowl two weeks from now, this poll is going to look a lot different if we re-vote

 

[jurb26]

If Big Ben wins the Bowl two weeks from now, this poll is going to look a lot different if we re-vote

You're probably right, but I dont think you should be. I mean Ben has already done what Manning and the Colts have failed to do for years... make it to the SB.

 

[Q-Bert]

The great thing about Ben is that he has found all this success on a team that has nothing else. No running game. No decent WRs. No defense covering his behind if he does make a mistake. He has pretty much had to carry this franchise all by himself and has done so with amazing ease. Manning could never do this.

Do you really believe that any of this is true?It absolutely astounds me that someone could say that Pittsburgh has no running game and no defense. And Hines Ward isn't a decent WR?

Seriously, WTF?

 

[Q-Bert]

The great thing about Ben is that he has found all this success on a team that has nothing else.  No running game.  No decent WRs.  No defense covering his behind if he does make a mistake.  He has pretty much had to carry this franchise all by himself and has done so with amazing ease.  Manning could never do this.

defense: #3 points allowed, #4 yardage allowedrushing offense: #5 in yards & TDs, #1 in attempts

You were too quick for me.

 

[glumpy]

:hijack:

Just had this emailed to me and thought wouldn't be too big a reach in this thread!

Peyton Manning died. When he got to heaven, God was showing him around. They came to a modest little house with a faded Colts flag in the window. "This house is yours for eternity, Peyton." said God. "This is very special; not everyone gets a house up here." Peyton felt special and walked up to his house. On his way up the porch, he noticed another house. It was a 3-story mansion with a Black and Gold sidewalk, a 50 foot tall flagpole with an enormous Steeler flag and in every window, a Terrible towel. Peyton looked at God and said "God, I'm not trying to be ungrateful, but, why does Ben Roethlisberger get a better house than me?" God chuckled, and said "Peyton that's not Ben's house, it's mine."

:/hijack:

That was also used with Tom Brady instead of Roethlisberger. Old joke.

That was used by my college football coach my freshman year the week before our rival game. Yeah, thats a very old joke. I got that email too though.

Well--if nothing else at least y'all have made me feel younger--somehow I hadn't heard it!

 

[ren hoek]

The great thing about Ben is that he has found all this success on a team that has nothing else. No running game. No decent WRs. No defense covering his behind if he does make a mistake. He has pretty much had to carry this franchise all by himself and has done so with amazing ease. Manning could never do this.

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[streamkeeper]

I'd have to go with the guy that could get my team to the Super Bowl, and that would be Big Ben.

 

[SuperJohn96]

The real question should bea) Peyton Manningb) Ben Roethamburlgierc) Chuck NorrisCorrect Answer:c) Chuck Norris

 

[brobe4]

1. Tom Brady2.Donovan McNabb3.Big Ben4.Carson Palmer5.Peyton ManningIm a Manning homer, but when you weigh all football aspects into play this are my results.

 

[Dancing Bear]

Ben's the clear winner here!He has made it to the Super Bowl and he has a knack for winning under a variety of situations [24-6 career record].I'd like to hear from the Peyton supporters. Under what criteria have you chosen him? Aside from shear passing statistics Peyton has no advantage that I can see.

 

[faulkfan]

The great thing about Ben is that he has found all this success on a team that has nothing else.  No running game.  No decent WRs.  No defense covering his behind if he does make a mistake.  He has pretty much had to carry this franchise all by himself and has done so with amazing ease.  Manning could never do this.

Do you really believe that any of this is true?It absolutely astounds me that someone could say that Pittsburgh has no running game and no defense. And Hines Ward isn't a decent WR?

Seriously, WTF?

No. I don't believe this. I think Ben is a decent QB who has the good fortune of having a great system and team around him. Had Peyton had this kind of team around him he would already have four Super Bowls.

 

[trader jake]

i'll take peyton manning 1.01 in an NFL redraftjwvdwjkefyw - please this and bump it in two years

 

[Jason Wood]

I think Big Ben is a massive talent, but let's keep some perspective here. Drew Bledsoe led the Patriots to a Super Bowl in his 2nd year, too. Can we save the "all time great" or "best in the league" talk please?

 

[-OZ-]

Seeing this makes me I was laughed at for saying I might take Ben ahead of Brady or Manning back in December.Ben's my pick, but then I've always liked winning more than putting up stats.

 

[-OZ-]

I think Big Ben is a massive talent, but let's keep some perspective here. Drew Bledsoe led the Patriots to a Super Bowl in his 2nd year, too. Can we save the "all time great" or "best in the league" talk please?

Fair enough, but this isn't neccessarily which QB we think is the best today. It's starting a franchise, and which you'd prefer. FWIW I think Peyton is taking too much of the blame for the loss here, nobdoy wants to say it, but some blame has to go to the coaches. (Don't take this as anti-Dungy or less than sympathetic, but the assistants have to step up in a time of need.)

 

[Dancing Bear]

Jason,Although I agree that we should temper our enthusiasm for Big Ben until he shows us a at least one ring and a few more years under center. Making your statement however denies and sweeps his accomplishments under the rug.He is writing history with each snap. No QB in NFL history has started their career like Ben has. Period.If this thread included Tom Brady, then my answer would be different. However against Peyton there really is not an argument that I can see which would sway me away from Ben.From a history perspective, if you bring up guys like Otto Graham, Johnny Unitas, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana then I agree that Ben has a lot to prove. Hopefully he will treat us to another 8-10 years of inspiring play and many more wins.Against most of the remaining QB of NFL history he already has them beat.

 

[Jason Wood]

Jason,

Although I agree that we should temper our enthusiasm for Big Ben until he shows us a at least one ring and a few more years under center. Making your statement however denies and sweeps his accomplishments under the rug.

He is writing history with each snap. No QB in NFL history has started their career like Ben has. Period.

If this thread included Tom Brady, then my answer would be different. However against Peyton there really is not an argument that I can see which would sway me away from Ben.

From a history perspective, if you bring up guys like Otto Graham, Johnny Unitas, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana then I agree that Ben has a lot to prove. Hopefully he will treat us to another 8-10 years of inspiring play and many more wins.

Against most of the remaining QB of NFL history he already has them beat.

This is the kind of hyperbole I'm talking about...Dan Marino shattered [and I mean absolutely demolished] the passing record books in his 2nd season on the way to a Super Bowl. He had the stats [historical stats] AND the SB appearance. Big Ben looks every bit the franchise QB, but we as a society as so maddeningly obsessed with hyperbole and overstatement of the "now" it's infuriating. We always have to be in the presence of greatness, when in fact we could very well be in the presence of "pretty darn good."

 

[D-BO]

The great thing about Ben is that he has found all this success on a team that has nothing else. No running game. No decent WRs. No defense covering his behind if he does make a mistake. He has pretty much had to carry this franchise all by himself and has done so with amazing ease. Manning could never do this.

You forgot something....

 

[D-BO]

I think Big Ben is a massive talent, but let's keep some perspective here. Drew Bledsoe led the Patriots to a Super Bowl in his 2nd year, too. Can we save the "all time great" or "best in the league" talk please?

 

[CrossEyed]

The great thing about Ben is that he has found all this success on a team that has nothing else. No running game. No decent WRs. No defense covering his behind if he does make a mistake. He has pretty much had to carry this franchise all by himself and has done so with amazing ease. Manning could never do this.

Do you really believe that any of this is true?It absolutely astounds me that someone could say that Pittsburgh has no running game and no defense. And Hines Ward isn't a decent WR?

Seriously, WTF?

No. I don't believe this. I think Ben is a decent QB who has the good fortune of having a great system and team around him. Had Peyton had this kind of team around him he would already have four Super Bowls.

He had all these things this year. And yet he is home watching again.

 

[iSnitch]

The great thing about Ben is that he has found all this success on a team that has nothing else.  No running game.  No decent WRs.  No defense covering his behind if he does make a mistake.  He has pretty much had to carry this franchise all by himself and has done so with amazing ease.  Manning could never do this.

defense: #3 points allowed, #4 yardage allowedrushing offense: #5 in yards & TDs, #1 in attempts

Sarcasm detector down?

 

[Dancing Bear]

There is no hyperbole in going 14-0, 1-1 in your first season for a total record of 15-1. Or in going 9-3, 3-0 in your second seasond for a total record of 12-3.

Or starting out 27-4 as a QB career in the NFL. This is not hyperbole. This is greatness.

My example of historical QB's was not intended to exclude possible greatness like Marino, but simply to give a flavor for Ben's company. Jason, you are certainly correct to point out that Marino shattered the passing records and appeared in the Super Bowl in his second year. The game records are unclear as to how many of the games Marino started and won in his first year. Regardless, he had an incredible first 3 years in the NFL. Miami was 38-10 over that period and 3-3 in the playoffs. In fact, Marino was part of a team that went to the playoffs 10 out of his 17 years.

However Marino ended up with an 8-10 record in the playoffs. Hardly stellar. More like Peyton Manning; get into the playoffs and then fall short.

Manning started out through his first 4 years at 32-32; he is now 80-48 which is spectacular. However, he is 3-6 in the playoffs.

Big Ben has way more to prove for sure before he can be called the NFL best or any such description, but IMHO he has proved that his is among the QB elite [past and present] and that he is going to lead to victory.

 

[cstu]

There is no hyperbole in going 14-0, 1-1 in your first season for a total record of 15-1. Or in going 9-3, 3-0 in your second seasond for a total record of 12-3.

Or starting out 27-4 as a QB career in the NFL. This is not hyperbole. This is greatness.

My example of historical QB's was not intended to exclude possible greatness like Marino, but simply to give a flavor for Ben's company. Jason, you are certainly correct to point out that Marino shattered the passing records and appeared in the Super Bowl in his second year. The game records are unclear as to how many of the games Marino started and won in his first year. Regardless, he had an incredible first 3 years in the NFL. Miami was 38-10 over that period and 3-3 in the playoffs. In fact, Marino was part of a team that went to the playoffs 10 out of his 17 years.

However Marino ended up with an 8-10 record in the playoffs. Hardly stellar. More like Peyton Manning; get into the playoffs and then fall short.

Manning started out through his first 4 years at 32-32; he is now 80-48 which is spectacular. However, he is 3-6 in the playoffs.

Big Ben has way more to prove for sure before he can be called the NFL best or any such description, but IMHO he has proved that his is among the QB elite [past and present] and that he is going to lead to victory.

It's also playing for a top rushing team with a top defense in the NFL that had gone 13-3 and 10-5 with Stewart and Maddox at QB.

 

[zoni]

Seeing this makes me 

I was laughed at for saying I might take Ben ahead of Brady or Manning back in December.

Ben's my pick, but then I've always liked winning more than putting up stats.

Seeing this makes me If you like winning, you should pick Brady. Seems this guy has won a championship in his 2nd year. Oh yea, and his 4th year. Oh, and his 5th year too.

Ben has been playing lights out, and has great career potential. But right now he's the flavor of the week.

 

[bostonfred]

Roethlisberger.  He's much younger, more mobile, and he's shown this post-season how much he can rise to the occassion.

Big Ben has "IT", Manning does not.

And sharks eat, drink and sleep it.

It = info.

 

[Kai's Hero]

Roethlisberger. He's much younger, more mobile, and he's shown this post-season how much he can rise to the occassion.

R U Serious! Manning by a LOOOOONNNNNGGG SHOT!

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

I try to contain my homer bias towards the Steelers but it's tough to do with Roethlisberger. I think we all see the athleticism in him that we saw years before in Favre and Elway. Steelers/Broncos highlights are on the NFL Network at least 20 times per day but go back and watch Ben's TD pass to Hines Ward right before halftime. Roethlisberger (a right-handed QB) rolls left and with the flick of the wrist throws a 30 yard pass to the back of the end zone that splits two Broncos defenders for a TD with 7 seconds left in the half. I am not sure that there is another QB in the league that makes that play. The athleticism, the arm strength, the accuracy. Favre made plays like that in his day as did John Elway but as great as Manning is he doesn't make that play in his sleep.I guess what I'm saying is while Manning is obviously the more polished pocket passer, Roethlisberger at 23 has so much ability in and out of the pocket it is sick. Alot of the throws he makes are flat-footed or off his back foot, yet his accuracy is unbelievable. His mechanics and game should only get better.

 

[SaosiN]

Manning is a better passer but Roethlisberger is a better quarterback because he can do more things in and out of the pocket and makes a lot of plays himself. It is tough for me to chose though because Manning is the stat king and Roethlisberger isn't and he hasn't won a Superbowl yet. Hopefully next Sunday I will have a clearer view on this and can say Roethlisberger without a doubt but right now I can't. I will take Roethlisberger though becacuse my bias towards Pittsburgh players.

 

[Da Guru]

I would have to say Big Ben. Mannings body language and pouty face in big games rubs off on his team.

 

[-OZ-]

Seeing this makes me

I was laughed at for saying I might take Ben ahead of Brady or Manning back in December.

Ben's my pick, but then I've always liked winning more than putting up stats.

Seeing this makes me If you like winning, you should pick Brady. Seems this guy has won a championship in his 2nd year. Oh yea, and his 4th year. Oh, and his 5th year too.

Ben has been playing lights out, and has great career potential. But right now he's the flavor of the week.

For this year I probably do take Brady, but he wasn't in the poll.From today to the end of their careers? Can't go wrong with either.

 

[djcolts]

Roethlisberger.  He's much younger, more mobile, and he's shown this post-season how much he can rise to the occassion.

R U Serious! Manning by a LOOOOONNNNNGGG SHOT!

Big Ben would have converted 2nd and 2 at the other team's 28 because he would have seen a wide open Dallas Clark and thrown it to him (like he really did in that game when he connected with Heath Miller over and over again). Manning didn't make the correct decision when it counted most.

 

[RedRaiders]

The great thing about Ben is that he has found all this success on a team that has nothing else.  No running game.  No decent WRs.  No defense covering his behind if he does make a mistake.  He has pretty much had to carry this franchise all by himself and has done so with amazing ease.  Manning could never do this.

defense: #3 points allowed, #4 yardage allowedrushing offense: #5 in yards & TDs, #1 in attempts

Stop using logic

 

[Warsteinner]

Peyton Manning [ 79 ] [55.24%] Ben Roethlisberger [ 63 ] [44.06%] 79 People want to watch the Super Bowl on TV every yearI guess.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

The great thing about Ben is that he has found all this success on a team that has nothing else.  No running game.  No decent WRs.  No defense covering his behind if he does make a mistake.  He has pretty much had to carry this franchise all by himself and has done so with amazing ease.  Manning could never do this.

Do you really believe that any of this is true?It absolutely astounds me that someone could say that Pittsburgh has no running game and no defense. And Hines Ward isn't a decent WR?

Seriously, WTF?

No. I don't believe this. I think Ben is a decent QB who has the good fortune of having a great system and team around him. Had Peyton had this kind of team around him he would already have four Super Bowls.

True. Poor Peyton has had to go to war with such NFL dregs as Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison, and Reggie Wayne. Yet somehow, he finds the strength to keep on living.