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P. Manning vs. Roethlisberger (1 Viewer)
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faulkfan
Footballguy
Lets focus on the defense and forget about Harrison, Wayne, and Edge. I'm not discounting Ben's ability as much as I am trying to point out that he is a product of his system. I'm willing to bet, and of course this is merely speculation, that Manning on the Steelers would fair better than Ben. I think Manning is a better QB. Not a god, but a better QB and while Ben is performing well with a defense that is setting the table for him, Manning would outperform him in the same situation.My sarcastic comment was the product of reading too many posts that completely ignore the fact that Ben has a defense and veteran offense that could make any average QB look amazing. Is he good? Yes. Has he benefited greatly by going to a ready made team to cover the mistakes of a young QB? Most defintely.
I think Ben will be a good QB, but let him switch places with Carr and you'd be singing the praises of DC right now. Heck, this team made Tommy Maddox look like a stud two years ago.
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Rhino
Footballguy
Maddox lost his job to an injury - something that isn't supposed to happen in the NFL, but does all the time. If Maddox doesn't get hurt, Ben never steps in to lead the Steelers in that unbelieveable Rookie season, and we aren't having this converstaion. Of course, when Maddox got healthy, how on Earth do you bench Roethlisberger when the team was winning behind him. So quickly we all forget last season when the talk was all about how the Steelers were winning "despite" Roethlisberger, and how the defense was playing amazingly out of their mind to cover for him. How many times in the past has Peyton Manning had that luxury?!? I can remember Colts games where they would score 35 points and lose because the defense was allowing 42. There's no excuse to lose a football game when your offense scores 35.Not taking anything away from Big Ben. He's playing fantastic football, has obviously shown talent, and the entire Steelers team just looks so focused and determined. I really credit Cowher and the coaching staff for opening up the offense, allowing Ben to make plays with his arm and not relying so much on the run and ball control - it's throwing opposing defenses for a loop. The Steelers offense hasn't looked this good since Bradshaw, Swann and Harris.
And by the way - all the success of the Steelers (and struggles of the Colts) doesn't change the fact that Peyton Manning is still one HELL of a quaterback, and all but a couple coaches in the league would drool at the opportunity to have him play for their team... playoff losses or not.
Nihilist Pig
Footballguy
Agreed. Amazing that the majority will settle for annual mediocrity instead of a guy with Super Bowl rings in half of his years in the league. And he does it without nearly the talent around him that Manning has. This should be tilted pretty heavily the other direction.
Stillers Jr.
Footballguy
Hmmm,
The "Pig at the trough" or Super Bowl Champion...let me think...hmmmm....
I can't decide!
The "Pig at the trough" or Super Bowl Champion...let me think...hmmmm....
I can't decide!
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
We can argue about skill level, certainly Manning is the better pocket passer, Roethlisberger is better outside the pocket. But let's look at the big picture:
Manning will be 30 at the start of the 2006 season.
Roethlisberger will be 24 at the start of the 2006 season.
Manning probably has 3-4 more years of top flight production, Roethlisberger likely has a few more years before he even reaches peak performance.
Manning's cap hit next year is nearly $18 million. His contract runs through 2012 and averages over $15 mill per season. Roethlisberger's cap hit next year is just over $2 million and he averages less than $3 million per year through 2009.
Certainly Roethlisberger will re-negotiate at some point but for the next few years he is an absolute steal. The team with Roethlisberger has $12-16 extra million to put into the rest of the team, at least for the next few years. As great as Manning is his contract constricts the Colts ability to upgrade and resign other players.
Manning will be 30 at the start of the 2006 season.
Roethlisberger will be 24 at the start of the 2006 season.
Manning probably has 3-4 more years of top flight production, Roethlisberger likely has a few more years before he even reaches peak performance.
Manning's cap hit next year is nearly $18 million. His contract runs through 2012 and averages over $15 mill per season. Roethlisberger's cap hit next year is just over $2 million and he averages less than $3 million per year through 2009.
Certainly Roethlisberger will re-negotiate at some point but for the next few years he is an absolute steal. The team with Roethlisberger has $12-16 extra million to put into the rest of the team, at least for the next few years. As great as Manning is his contract constricts the Colts ability to upgrade and resign other players.
C
CrossEyed
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Yeah, because 2 bad starts after a near life ending motorcycle accident and emergency appendectomy clearly mean that Ben's career is all but over.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Hah. Bengal fans get a few Zimas in them after the big win and go searching the archives for every thread possible to bump.
enjoy.
enjoy.
jurb26
Footballguy
Maybe this should be revisited when the playoffs roll around....
Historically, the Cowher Steelers have had several QBs. I remember when O'Donnell took over for Bubby Brister. A lot of Steeler fans pimped Neil as the best QB in the NFL. Then Kordell Stewart took over, and you were labelled an idiot if you thought that Kordell wasn't a great QB if not the best QB in the NFL.
Then Ben takes over, and well, it does seem like the hyperbole quickly flows in western PA.
He's definitely not as good as the hyperbole thrown his way in his first two years, and he's also not as bad as he appears in 2006. Time will tell where he will fit in the pecking order.
Then Ben takes over, and well, it does seem like the hyperbole quickly flows in western PA.
He's definitely not as good as the hyperbole thrown his way in his first two years, and he's also not as bad as he appears in 2006. Time will tell where he will fit in the pecking order.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
ren hoek
Footballguy
Hah. Bengal fans get a few Zimas in them after the big win and go searching the archives for every thread possible to bump.
in fairness, the bumping of this thread was foreshadowed right here. i don't think we've bumped up any other threads.the bengals winning today has nothing to do with this argument either, really.
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Big Ben has never won games on his own like Manning has. Manning has never had the dominant running game and defense that Pittsburgh has. You guys are giving Big Ben way too much credit considering they let the defense and running game run the show last year and limited the amount of throws Big Ben had to make. Check out the passing attempts per game, you'll see Big Ben at the bottom. There I said it, you guys give him too much credit. Put them both in the same offense, same personel, same defense and Manning easily wins.
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Assani Fisher
Footballguy
You do realize that Indy had a better defense than PIt last year, right?Also any team with Edge shouldn't be complaining about not having a good running game. You also ignore the fact that Manning has one of the greatest WRs of all time in Marving Harrison and a very very good #2 in Wayne.
