Packers Blew Their Chance at Moss (1 Viewer)

[sho nuff]

You better behave. You've been a problem before, and we want you to prove to us you're not a problem now. Take a pay cut, because we don't trust you. Seems to me that the Pack had their decision made before the interview. Based on this, what exactly did the Pack pick up firsthand ( in the interview ) of what they would get from Moss?

Based on his actions....why would they not think he was a problem before? Even the Pats protected against such things (or do you think the 1 year deal was for his benefit?)His own words in the past gave them what they needed to know about his attitude...that is firsthand knowledge of how he treated things in the past...that is what I was getting at.

So, again, the decision was made on 2nd hand reports of his actions, without the Pack FO involved, without full context. Reports of past behavior <> firsthand knowledge. I understand what you're getting at. I just think you, like many, had a view of Moss and were going to treat him a certain way based on that. When he went to the Pats FO, they talked to him about his committment to winning, his views of football, and guaged him based on what they saw and heard, right then and there. No preconcieved notions of past behavior as a measuring stick.And based on how they dealt with him, he readily agreed to a mutually benificial deal ( or, a deal that was effectively beneficial to the Pats )

2nd hand reports? Are you making this crap up?Im talking about his exact quoted words in interviews....things that are on tape.Things he actually said about how he plays the game. That is 1st hand info based on what Moss has said and done.When Moss looks into a camera and says those things...its not just 2nd hand information.Yes...I had a view on Moss that he created all by himself. This was not the media doing.Do you seriously think the Pats did not warn him of his behavior and tell him what would and would not be acceptable? If you think that...you might be the most naive person on this board.Oh...and btw...Moss did not have the final say in who he got traded to....Al Davis did.

 

[sho nuff]

You better behave. You've been a problem before, and we want you to prove to us you're not a problem now. Take a pay cut, because we don't trust you. Seems to me that the Pack had their decision made before the interview. Based on this, what exactly did the Pack pick up firsthand ( in the interview ) of what they would get from Moss?

Based on his actions....why would they not think he was a problem before? Even the Pats protected against such things (or do you think the 1 year deal was for his benefit?)His own words in the past gave them what they needed to know about his attitude...that is firsthand knowledge of how he treated things in the past...that is what I was getting at.

So, again, the decision was made on 2nd hand reports of his actions, without the Pack FO involved, without full context. Reports of past behavior <> firsthand knowledge. I understand what you're getting at. I just think you, like many, had a view of Moss and were going to treat him a certain way based on that. When he went to the Pats FO, they talked to him about his committment to winning, his views of football, and guaged him based on what they saw and heard, right then and there. No preconcieved notions of past behavior as a measuring stick.And based on how they dealt with him, he readily agreed to a mutually benificial deal ( or, a deal that was effectively beneficial to the Pats )

Because you got to sit in on all the meetings right?

Is there some part of what I've stated that you don't think happened? I wasn't there, but this is how its been reported ( which, according to some is just like first hand knowledge ) Look, its ok to prejudge. Its OK to make your choices based on risk assessment of the past. But its also OK for Moss to prefer to deal with the organization that chose not to prejudge.

So Moss orchestrated the trade? Or was it Al Davis?Moss can say who he preferred...and when it came down to it..Im sure a big motivation of his was going to a team set up to win right away. At that time...nobody thought of Green Bay as that either.If both teams said similar things...he would lean towards the greener pastures. That appeared to be NE...it worked out well for both of them...and the Packers did quite well without him.

 

[sho nuff]

...Come on. These are his words. That hardly tells us for sure what was said verbatim. Of course the Packer's weren't going to give him 9 mill a year, so hence a paycut. He also got a 6 million dollar paycut with the Pats. He didn't bring that up did he? I'm sure they talked to him about the problems he's had in Minnesota and Oakland and wanted to make sure that was all behind him. Is that so bad? You think the Pats didn't talk to him about any of that stuff? I'm betting it was brought up.

All reports from both Moss and the NE FO was that the interview between Kraft and Moss was nearly solely focused on football. Moss convinced the top man in NE that he was committed to winning. I'm not sure I believe the "offered to take a pay cut" spin, but because the first conversation was based around football and winning, not behavior and money, he was much more amenable to the deal that the Pats offered. Now, I'll admit my take on the dealings with the Pats regarding the paycut and signing is speculation and somewhat based on hindsight. It probably didn't hurt that the team leader also agreed to a restructure to help get the deal done.

He was not a free agent...what does it matter where he was amenable to a deal?Oh...and Favre supposedly offered to restructure to get the deal done if the Packers needed it.

 

[Road Warriors]

You better behave. You've been a problem before, and we want you to prove to us you're not a problem now. Take a pay cut, because we don't trust you. Seems to me that the Pack had their decision made before the interview. Based on this, what exactly did the Pack pick up firsthand ( in the interview ) of what they would get from Moss?

Based on his actions....why would they not think he was a problem before? Even the Pats protected against such things (or do you think the 1 year deal was for his benefit?)His own words in the past gave them what they needed to know about his attitude...that is firsthand knowledge of how he treated things in the past...that is what I was getting at.

So, again, the decision was made on 2nd hand reports of his actions, without the Pack FO involved, without full context. Reports of past behavior <> firsthand knowledge. I understand what you're getting at. I just think you, like many, had a view of Moss and were going to treat him a certain way based on that. When he went to the Pats FO, they talked to him about his committment to winning, his views of football, and guaged him based on what they saw and heard, right then and there. No preconcieved notions of past behavior as a measuring stick.And based on how they dealt with him, he readily agreed to a mutually benificial deal ( or, a deal that was effectively beneficial to the Pats )

2nd hand reports? Are you making this crap up?Im talking about his exact quoted words in interviews....things that are on tape.Things he actually said about how he plays the game. That is 1st hand info based on what Moss has said and done.When Moss looks into a camera and says those things...its not just 2nd hand information.Yes...I had a view on Moss that he created all by himself. This was not the media doing.Do you seriously think the Pats did not warn him of his behavior and tell him what would and would not be acceptable? If you think that...you might be the most naive person on this board.Oh...and btw...Moss did not have the final say in who he got traded to....Al Davis did.

We'll just have to disagree then. It looks to me like GB wanted to cover their backside first, but I guess, in your view, Moss is just a malcontent, because he didn't feel they wanted him. Spin it how you want, but based on how he did perform ( hindsight, I know ) I struggle to understand how any team in the league is not better with a motivated Moss playing for them. GB included.

 

[Beergogglz]

I found this interesting to hear Moss's perspective of what happened.

Moss Article

It seems to me that Brett was right saying the Packer could have had him. Evidently they said the wrong things to Moss and he was no longer interested in Green Bay.

IMO...this looks worse on Moss than it does for the Packers.Their requests...given his performance and attitude in Oakland are quite reasonable and what many, including me, expected out of him if he came there. He seemed to throw a bit of a fit over it and that was that.

Yeah, he looks really foolish for wanting to be treated like a man.....and then moving on to make the Super Bowl....

Not saying he looks foolish...but why even bring up that part of the story if you are Moss? Is he not happy he is at the SB? Is he not happy that he is playing for the Pats? He had to try and throw the Packers organization under the bus because, gasp, they had the nerve to question his work ethic?And so many people are acting as if they all thought it would have been great for GB.

There was a huge sentiment on boards and on the airwaves that GB was nuts for even going after him.

Probably for the same reason Little Lord Favreleroy speaks about retirement all the time -- the media asked him the question........

Was wondering when you would show up and take your daily Packer shots. Aren't you tired of the jealousy eating you alive yet? Let it go man..

You related to Fla\/\/ed, by any chance?

 

[Beergogglz]

I found this interesting to hear Moss's perspective of what happened.

Moss Article

It seems to me that Brett was right saying the Packer could have had him. Evidently they said the wrong things to Moss and he was no longer interested in Green Bay.

IMO...this looks worse on Moss than it does for the Packers.Their requests...given his performance and attitude in Oakland are quite reasonable and what many, including me, expected out of him if he came there. He seemed to throw a bit of a fit over it and that was that.

Yeah, he looks really foolish for wanting to be treated like a man.....and then moving on to make the Super Bowl....

Not saying he looks foolish...but why even bring up that part of the story if you are Moss? Is he not happy he is at the SB? Is he not happy that he is playing for the Pats? He had to try and throw the Packers organization under the bus because, gasp, they had the nerve to question his work ethic?

And so many people are acting as if they all thought it would have been great for GB.

There was a huge sentiment on boards and on the airwaves that GB was nuts for even going after him.

Probably for the same reason Little Lord Favreleroy speaks about retirement all the time -- the media asked him the question........

Yes...because talking about retirement is the same thing as bashing an organization...

Corollary skills down? Now, try and follow along here, skippy -- you asked why Moss brought up the previous dealings with GB and I answered that it was similar to why Favre often talks about his retirement; the media posed a question seeking information about it.

Capice?

 

[sho nuff]

You better behave. You've been a problem before, and we want you to prove to us you're not a problem now. Take a pay cut, because we don't trust you. Seems to me that the Pack had their decision made before the interview. Based on this, what exactly did the Pack pick up firsthand ( in the interview ) of what they would get from Moss?

Based on his actions....why would they not think he was a problem before? Even the Pats protected against such things (or do you think the 1 year deal was for his benefit?)His own words in the past gave them what they needed to know about his attitude...that is firsthand knowledge of how he treated things in the past...that is what I was getting at.

So, again, the decision was made on 2nd hand reports of his actions, without the Pack FO involved, without full context. Reports of past behavior <> firsthand knowledge. I understand what you're getting at. I just think you, like many, had a view of Moss and were going to treat him a certain way based on that. When he went to the Pats FO, they talked to him about his committment to winning, his views of football, and guaged him based on what they saw and heard, right then and there. No preconcieved notions of past behavior as a measuring stick.And based on how they dealt with him, he readily agreed to a mutually benificial deal ( or, a deal that was effectively beneficial to the Pats )

2nd hand reports? Are you making this crap up?Im talking about his exact quoted words in interviews....things that are on tape.Things he actually said about how he plays the game. That is 1st hand info based on what Moss has said and done.When Moss looks into a camera and says those things...its not just 2nd hand information.Yes...I had a view on Moss that he created all by himself. This was not the media doing.Do you seriously think the Pats did not warn him of his behavior and tell him what would and would not be acceptable? If you think that...you might be the most naive person on this board.Oh...and btw...Moss did not have the final say in who he got traded to....Al Davis did.

We'll just have to disagree then. It looks to me like GB wanted to cover their backside first, but I guess, in your view, Moss is just a malcontent, because he didn't feel they wanted him. Spin it how you want, but based on how he did perform ( hindsight, I know ) I struggle to understand how any team in the league is not better with a motivated Moss playing for them. GB included.

I agree that GB wanted to cover their bases...im not denying that...and as a Packer fan, Im glad they do such things.Moss has been a malcontent...that he got upset that someone would try to cover their behind looks worse on him IMO.The Packers went 13-3...how he performed in NE is independent of how he would have performed with other teams, in other situations with other offenses and personnel. Would he have meshed as well with GB? I don't know...none of us do.Would GB have been better fantasy wise? Sure, I suppose that is quite reasonable. Would it have made them a better team? That I don't know.Would he have mattered in the NFCCG? I don't know that either.

 

[sho nuff]

Corollary skills down? Now, try and follow along here, skippy -- you asked why Moss brought up the previous dealings with GB and I answered that it was similar to why Favre often talks about his retirement; the media posed a question seeking information about it.Capice?

Yes...the media posed a question. But there is a difference between answering a question about yourself (Brett's talk of retirement)...and answering a question which basically badmouths another franchise (Moss).Get it?I doubt it...instead you will just try and sling little insults.

 

[Beergogglz]

Corollary skills down? Now, try and follow along here, skippy -- you asked why Moss brought up the previous dealings with GB and I answered that it was similar to why Favre often talks about his retirement; the media posed a question seeking information about it.Capice?

Yes...the media posed a question. But there is a difference between answering a question about yourself (Brett's talk of retirement)...and answering a question which basically badmouths another franchise (Moss).Get it?I doubt it...instead you will just try and sling little insults.

So is it safe to say you felt the same about Lord Favre, then, when he badmouthed a teammate (Javon Walker) and had some choice words/opinions regarding the franchise when they did not follow thru on acquiring Moss? As long as you're being consistent here, ya know?And sorry if you have overly delicate sensibilities, Sho. It's my bad for assuming you could take a little ribbing without getting all insulted.

 

[scott72]

Corollary skills down? Now, try and follow along here, skippy -- you asked why Moss brought up the previous dealings with GB and I answered that it was similar to why Favre often talks about his retirement; the media posed a question seeking information about it.Capice?

Yes...the media posed a question. But there is a difference between answering a question about yourself (Brett's talk of retirement)...and answering a question which basically badmouths another franchise (Moss).Get it?I doubt it...instead you will just try and sling little insults.

So is it safe to say you felt the same about Lord Favre, then, when he badmouthed a teammate (Javon Walker) and had some choice words/opinions regarding the franchise when they did not follow thru on acquiring Moss? As long as you're being consistent here, ya know?And sorry if you have overly delicate sensibilities, Sho. It's my bad for assuming you could take a little ribbing without getting all insulted.

Dude, a little ribbing is fine, but all you've been doing for months now is trolling around in threads that discuss the Packers and taking cheap shots every chance you get. If you have something constructive to add it would be different, but as of yet I haven't seen that. The whole "Lord Favre" thing is exactly what I'm talking about. Clearly your a jealous fan that can't stand the success this organization has enjoyed since Brett's arrival. I can understand feeling that way, but jeez man, learn to control it a little better..

 

[sho nuff]

Corollary skills down? Now, try and follow along here, skippy -- you asked why Moss brought up the previous dealings with GB and I answered that it was similar to why Favre often talks about his retirement; the media posed a question seeking information about it.Capice?

Yes...the media posed a question. But there is a difference between answering a question about yourself (Brett's talk of retirement)...and answering a question which basically badmouths another franchise (Moss).Get it?I doubt it...instead you will just try and sling little insults.

So is it safe to say you felt the same about Lord Favre, then, when he badmouthed a teammate (Javon Walker) and had some choice words/opinions regarding the franchise when they did not follow thru on acquiring Moss? As long as you're being consistent here, ya know?And sorry if you have overly delicate sensibilities, Sho. It's my bad for assuming you could take a little ribbing without getting all insulted.

Again...difference between team leader stating his opinion about one of his teammates...and a guy badmouthing a different franchise. that you don't get that is not surprising given your history here.Oh...and the only thing Favre said wrong about Walker, IMO, was saying that he hoped the Packers did not give in to him.Much of the "words" from Favre after the Moss deal were never direct quotes and denied by Favre.So yes, I am being very consistent...talk to me when you come up with something comparable to what Moss actually did.And no, Im not insulted much...just find it funny that you would have to call someone skippy because they disagreed with you.

 

[Beergogglz]

So is it safe to say you felt the same about Lord Favre, then, when he badmouthed a teammate (Javon Walker) and had some choice words/opinions regarding the franchise when they did not follow thru on acquiring Moss? As long as you're being consistent here, ya know?And sorry if you have overly delicate sensibilities, Sho. It's my bad for assuming you could take a little ribbing without getting all insulted.

Again...difference between team leader stating his opinion about one of his teammates...and a guy badmouthing a different franchise. that you don't get that is not surprising given your history here.Oh...and the only thing Favre said wrong about Walker, IMO, was saying that he hoped the Packers did not give in to him.Much of the "words" from Favre after the Moss deal were never direct quotes and denied by Favre.So yes, I am being very consistent...talk to me when you come up with something comparable to what Moss actually did.And no, Im not insulted much...just find it funny that you would have to call someone skippy because they disagreed with you.

What, again, was so bad about what Moss said? He didn't care for the way the Packer organization handled the situation and gave his opinion on it, much like Favre did in voicing how he didn't like the fact that TT didn't do more to acquire Moss, Then he proceeded to throw (or not, depending on who you believe) a tantrum saying he wanted to be traded because of it. Now, if you prefer to split hairs as to context and what a player is or is not allowed to comment on, I don't particularly have a problem with that. Just doesn't seem to be a very balanced or objective view, is all.

 

[sho nuff]

So is it safe to say you felt the same about Lord Favre, then, when he badmouthed a teammate (Javon Walker) and had some choice words/opinions regarding the franchise when they did not follow thru on acquiring Moss? As long as you're being consistent here, ya know?And sorry if you have overly delicate sensibilities, Sho. It's my bad for assuming you could take a little ribbing without getting all insulted.

Again...difference between team leader stating his opinion about one of his teammates...and a guy badmouthing a different franchise. that you don't get that is not surprising given your history here.Oh...and the only thing Favre said wrong about Walker, IMO, was saying that he hoped the Packers did not give in to him.Much of the "words" from Favre after the Moss deal were never direct quotes and denied by Favre.So yes, I am being very consistent...talk to me when you come up with something comparable to what Moss actually did.And no, Im not insulted much...just find it funny that you would have to call someone skippy because they disagreed with you.

What, again, was so bad about what Moss said? He didn't care for the way the Packer organization handled the situation and gave his opinion on it, much like Favre did in voicing how he didn't like the fact that TT didn't do more to acquire Moss, Then he proceeded to throw (or not, depending on who you believe) a tantrum saying he wanted to be traded because of it. Now, if you prefer to split hairs as to context and what a player is or is not allowed to comment on, I don't particularly have a problem with that. Just doesn't seem to be a very balanced or objective view, is all.

Care to bring one sourced quote of Favre asking to be traded? I bet you cannot do it.And yes...it is much different than a player talking about his own ####ing team....if Favre had bashed the Raiders or Pats...I would say the same thing as I am saying about Moss. Thats the point. You don't go around badmouthing other teams. Its not splitting hairs at all. You just cannot grasp the difference between situations and chose to try and play this little game because it involves the Packers....talk about not having a balanced or objective view...your history on the topic of the Packers pretty much ruins any kind of credibility you might have on this topic.

 

[scott72]

So is it safe to say you felt the same about Lord Favre, then, when he badmouthed a teammate (Javon Walker) and had some choice words/opinions regarding the franchise when they did not follow thru on acquiring Moss? As long as you're being consistent here, ya know?And sorry if you have overly delicate sensibilities, Sho. It's my bad for assuming you could take a little ribbing without getting all insulted.

Again...difference between team leader stating his opinion about one of his teammates...and a guy badmouthing a different franchise. that you don't get that is not surprising given your history here.Oh...and the only thing Favre said wrong about Walker, IMO, was saying that he hoped the Packers did not give in to him.Much of the "words" from Favre after the Moss deal were never direct quotes and denied by Favre.So yes, I am being very consistent...talk to me when you come up with something comparable to what Moss actually did.And no, Im not insulted much...just find it funny that you would have to call someone skippy because they disagreed with you.

Now, if you prefer to split hairs as to context and what a player is or is not allowed to comment on, I don't particularly have a problem with that. Just doesn't seem to be a very balanced or objective view, is all.

Isn't this what your doing about what Brett said about JWalk? Your talking in circles man..Your starting to sound like my wife..

 

[{Syrus}]

Farve is better off without Moss IMO. Moss was only content this season because they were winning and he was breaking records. In Green Bay, Moss isn't breaking records and he isn't smiling as much.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I am very comfortable with the Packers first priority in the exploration of coming to term with Moss being protecting team chemistry, the feelings of Donald Driver, and the development of their promising young receiveing corp. Moss is an immense talent, but he is also a petulent pouting jerk capable of ripping a team apart. Things worked out well for N.E. in this trade. Hindsight is 20/20, but Moss' history made it a long shot.

 

[Beergogglz]

So is it safe to say you felt the same about Lord Favre, then, when he badmouthed a teammate (Javon Walker) and had some choice words/opinions regarding the franchise when they did not follow thru on acquiring Moss? As long as you're being consistent here, ya know?

And sorry if you have overly delicate sensibilities, Sho. It's my bad for assuming you could take a little ribbing without getting all insulted.

Again...difference between team leader stating his opinion about one of his teammates...and a guy badmouthing a different franchise. that you don't get that is not surprising given your history here.Oh...and the only thing Favre said wrong about Walker, IMO, was saying that he hoped the Packers did not give in to him.

Much of the "words" from Favre after the Moss deal were never direct quotes and denied by Favre.

So yes, I am being very consistent...talk to me when you come up with something comparable to what Moss actually did.

And no, Im not insulted much...just find it funny that you would have to call someone skippy because they disagreed with you.

What, again, was so bad about what Moss said? He didn't care for the way the Packer organization handled the situation and gave his opinion on it, much like Favre did in voicing how he didn't like the fact that TT didn't do more to acquire Moss, Then he proceeded to throw (or not, depending on who you believe) a tantrum saying he wanted to be traded because of it. Now, if you prefer to split hairs as to context and what a player is or is not allowed to comment on, I don't particularly have a problem with that. Just doesn't seem to be a very balanced or objective view, is all.

Care to bring one sourced quote of Favre asking to be traded? I bet you cannot do it.And yes...it is much different than a player talking about his own ####ing team....if Favre had bashed the Raiders or Pats...I would say the same thing as I am saying about Moss. Thats the point. You don't go around badmouthing other teams. Its not splitting hairs at all. You just cannot grasp the difference between situations and chose to try and play this little game because it involves the Packers....talk about not having a balanced or objective view...your history on the topic of the Packers pretty much ruins any kind of credibility you might have on this topic.

How about this from Jay Glazer, a very respected NFL insider:"Just two or three days after last month's NFL Draft, Favre's agent Bus Cook phoned Green Bay's general manager Ted Thompson and asked that his client be traded, the sources said. In the conversation, Cook railed off on how his client was fed up with the organization and wanted out." Now just who wants this guy? Favre has reportedly settled down and now says he wants to stay, but he's still pissed that the Packers have done nothing to get better in the offseason."

I'm sure that won't be good enough, but really, it just seems to matter more who it was that decided to speak out and dare say something bad about GB (a guy as reviled by some as Moss) than anything else. If that's really not the case, then mea culpa, bro.

 

[Beergogglz]

So is it safe to say you felt the same about Lord Favre, then, when he badmouthed a teammate (Javon Walker) and had some choice words/opinions regarding the franchise when they did not follow thru on acquiring Moss? As long as you're being consistent here, ya know?And sorry if you have overly delicate sensibilities, Sho. It's my bad for assuming you could take a little ribbing without getting all insulted.

Again...difference between team leader stating his opinion about one of his teammates...and a guy badmouthing a different franchise. that you don't get that is not surprising given your history here.Oh...and the only thing Favre said wrong about Walker, IMO, was saying that he hoped the Packers did not give in to him.Much of the "words" from Favre after the Moss deal were never direct quotes and denied by Favre.So yes, I am being very consistent...talk to me when you come up with something comparable to what Moss actually did.And no, Im not insulted much...just find it funny that you would have to call someone skippy because they disagreed with you.

Now, if you prefer to split hairs as to context and what a player is or is not allowed to comment on, I don't particularly have a problem with that. Just doesn't seem to be a very balanced or objective view, is all.

Isn't this what your doing about what Brett said about JWalk? Your talking in circles man..Your starting to sound like my wife..

Thanks for your input, Fla\/\/ed Jr.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

So is it safe to say you felt the same about Lord Favre, then, when he badmouthed a teammate (Javon Walker) and had some choice words/opinions regarding the franchise when they did not follow thru on acquiring Moss? As long as you're being consistent here, ya know?

And sorry if you have overly delicate sensibilities, Sho. It's my bad for assuming you could take a little ribbing without getting all insulted.

Again...difference between team leader stating his opinion about one of his teammates...and a guy badmouthing a different franchise. that you don't get that is not surprising given your history here.Oh...and the only thing Favre said wrong about Walker, IMO, was saying that he hoped the Packers did not give in to him.

Much of the "words" from Favre after the Moss deal were never direct quotes and denied by Favre.

So yes, I am being very consistent...talk to me when you come up with something comparable to what Moss actually did.

And no, Im not insulted much...just find it funny that you would have to call someone skippy because they disagreed with you.

What, again, was so bad about what Moss said? He didn't care for the way the Packer organization handled the situation and gave his opinion on it, much like Favre did in voicing how he didn't like the fact that TT didn't do more to acquire Moss, Then he proceeded to throw (or not, depending on who you believe) a tantrum saying he wanted to be traded because of it. Now, if you prefer to split hairs as to context and what a player is or is not allowed to comment on, I don't particularly have a problem with that. Just doesn't seem to be a very balanced or objective view, is all.

Care to bring one sourced quote of Favre asking to be traded? I bet you cannot do it.And yes...it is much different than a player talking about his own ####ing team....if Favre had bashed the Raiders or Pats...I would say the same thing as I am saying about Moss. Thats the point. You don't go around badmouthing other teams. Its not splitting hairs at all. You just cannot grasp the difference between situations and chose to try and play this little game because it involves the Packers....talk about not having a balanced or objective view...your history on the topic of the Packers pretty much ruins any kind of credibility you might have on this topic.

How about this from Jay Glazer, a very respected NFL insider:"Just two or three days after last month's NFL Draft, Favre's agent Bus Cook phoned Green Bay's general manager Ted Thompson and asked that his client be traded, the sources said. In the conversation, Cook railed off on how his client was fed up with the organization and wanted out." Now just who wants this guy? Favre has reportedly settled down and now says he wants to stay, but he's still pissed that the Packers have done nothing to get better in the offseason."

I'm sure that won't be good enough, but really, it just seems to matter more who it was that decided to speak out and dare say something bad about GB (a guy as reviled by some as Moss) than anything else. If that's really not the case, then mea culpa, bro.

Um, how exactly have you provided a FAVRE QUOTE? You offered a quote from Jay Glazer - not from Brett Favre. Nice try though.

 

[Beergogglz]

So is it safe to say you felt the same about Lord Favre, then, when he badmouthed a teammate (Javon Walker) and had some choice words/opinions regarding the franchise when they did not follow thru on acquiring Moss? As long as you're being consistent here, ya know?

And sorry if you have overly delicate sensibilities, Sho. It's my bad for assuming you could take a little ribbing without getting all insulted.

Again...difference between team leader stating his opinion about one of his teammates...and a guy badmouthing a different franchise. that you don't get that is not surprising given your history here.Oh...and the only thing Favre said wrong about Walker, IMO, was saying that he hoped the Packers did not give in to him.

Much of the "words" from Favre after the Moss deal were never direct quotes and denied by Favre.

So yes, I am being very consistent...talk to me when you come up with something comparable to what Moss actually did.

And no, Im not insulted much...just find it funny that you would have to call someone skippy because they disagreed with you.

What, again, was so bad about what Moss said? He didn't care for the way the Packer organization handled the situation and gave his opinion on it, much like Favre did in voicing how he didn't like the fact that TT didn't do more to acquire Moss, Then he proceeded to throw (or not, depending on who you believe) a tantrum saying he wanted to be traded because of it. Now, if you prefer to split hairs as to context and what a player is or is not allowed to comment on, I don't particularly have a problem with that. Just doesn't seem to be a very balanced or objective view, is all.

Care to bring one sourced quote of Favre asking to be traded? I bet you cannot do it.And yes...it is much different than a player talking about his own ####ing team....if Favre had bashed the Raiders or Pats...I would say the same thing as I am saying about Moss. Thats the point. You don't go around badmouthing other teams. Its not splitting hairs at all. You just cannot grasp the difference between situations and chose to try and play this little game because it involves the Packers....talk about not having a balanced or objective view...your history on the topic of the Packers pretty much ruins any kind of credibility you might have on this topic.

How about this from Jay Glazer, a very respected NFL insider:"Just two or three days after last month's NFL Draft, Favre's agent Bus Cook phoned Green Bay's general manager Ted Thompson and asked that his client be traded, the sources said. In the conversation, Cook railed off on how his client was fed up with the organization and wanted out." Now just who wants this guy? Favre has reportedly settled down and now says he wants to stay, but he's still pissed that the Packers have done nothing to get better in the offseason."

I'm sure that won't be good enough, but really, it just seems to matter more who it was that decided to speak out and dare say something bad about GB (a guy as reviled by some as Moss) than anything else. If that's really not the case, then mea culpa, bro.

Um, how exactly have you provided a FAVRE QUOTE? You offered a quote from Jay Glazer - not from Brett Favre. Nice try though.

Thanks for your input, Fla\/\/ed III.

 

[Statorama]

Think Randy Moss would have been worth one more win for the Packers?

I do.

 

[Beergogglz]

Think Randy Moss would have been worth one more win for the Packers?I do.

But he's a cancer! Listen to the Favre and green/yella sychophants who say so! It is fact because they utter it!

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Being prolific and obnoxious is not the equivilent of being correct.

 

[Pipes]

Think Randy Moss would have been worth one more win for the Packers?I do.

What a stupid point...Moss is probably worth one more win for all the NFL teams that failed to trade for him, not just the Packers. Every team had a chance to pony up for him and didn't, not just the Packers.

 

[scott72]

Think Randy Moss would have been worth one more win for the Packers?I do.

Did God tell you we would have had one more win if we had Randy? Nice..

 

[Beergogglz]

Being prolific and obnoxious is not the equivilent of being correct.

Brett Favre would respectfully disagree, sir.

 

[scott72]

Think Randy Moss would have been worth one more win for the Packers?I do.

But he's a cancer! Listen to the Favre and green/yella sychophants who say so! It is fact because they utter it!

Man your a tool..

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

So is it safe to say you felt the same about Lord Favre, then, when he badmouthed a teammate (Javon Walker) and had some choice words/opinions regarding the franchise when they did not follow thru on acquiring Moss? As long as you're being consistent here, ya know?

And sorry if you have overly delicate sensibilities, Sho. It's my bad for assuming you could take a little ribbing without getting all insulted.

Again...difference between team leader stating his opinion about one of his teammates...and a guy badmouthing a different franchise. that you don't get that is not surprising given your history here.Oh...and the only thing Favre said wrong about Walker, IMO, was saying that he hoped the Packers did not give in to him.

Much of the "words" from Favre after the Moss deal were never direct quotes and denied by Favre.

So yes, I am being very consistent...talk to me when you come up with something comparable to what Moss actually did.

And no, Im not insulted much...just find it funny that you would have to call someone skippy because they disagreed with you.

What, again, was so bad about what Moss said? He didn't care for the way the Packer organization handled the situation and gave his opinion on it, much like Favre did in voicing how he didn't like the fact that TT didn't do more to acquire Moss, Then he proceeded to throw (or not, depending on who you believe) a tantrum saying he wanted to be traded because of it. Now, if you prefer to split hairs as to context and what a player is or is not allowed to comment on, I don't particularly have a problem with that. Just doesn't seem to be a very balanced or objective view, is all.

Care to bring one sourced quote of Favre asking to be traded? I bet you cannot do it.And yes...it is much different than a player talking about his own ####ing team....if Favre had bashed the Raiders or Pats...I would say the same thing as I am saying about Moss. Thats the point. You don't go around badmouthing other teams. Its not splitting hairs at all. You just cannot grasp the difference between situations and chose to try and play this little game because it involves the Packers....talk about not having a balanced or objective view...your history on the topic of the Packers pretty much ruins any kind of credibility you might have on this topic.

How about this from Jay Glazer, a very respected NFL insider:"Just two or three days after last month's NFL Draft, Favre's agent Bus Cook phoned Green Bay's general manager Ted Thompson and asked that his client be traded, the sources said. In the conversation, Cook railed off on how his client was fed up with the organization and wanted out." Now just who wants this guy? Favre has reportedly settled down and now says he wants to stay, but he's still pissed that the Packers have done nothing to get better in the offseason."

I'm sure that won't be good enough, but really, it just seems to matter more who it was that decided to speak out and dare say something bad about GB (a guy as reviled by some as Moss) than anything else. If that's really not the case, then mea culpa, bro.

Um, how exactly have you provided a FAVRE QUOTE? You offered a quote from Jay Glazer - not from Brett Favre. Nice try though.

Thanks for your input, Fla\/\/ed III.

Look, you claimed to offer up a quote from Favre. Instead, it was from Jay Glazer. Not my fault that your critical reasoning skills are lacking.

 

[Beergogglz]

So is it safe to say you felt the same about Lord Favre, then, when he badmouthed a teammate (Javon Walker) and had some choice words/opinions regarding the franchise when they did not follow thru on acquiring Moss? As long as you're being consistent here, ya know?

And sorry if you have overly delicate sensibilities, Sho. It's my bad for assuming you could take a little ribbing without getting all insulted.

Again...difference between team leader stating his opinion about one of his teammates...and a guy badmouthing a different franchise. that you don't get that is not surprising given your history here.Oh...and the only thing Favre said wrong about Walker, IMO, was saying that he hoped the Packers did not give in to him.

Much of the "words" from Favre after the Moss deal were never direct quotes and denied by Favre.

So yes, I am being very consistent...talk to me when you come up with something comparable to what Moss actually did.

And no, Im not insulted much...just find it funny that you would have to call someone skippy because they disagreed with you.

What, again, was so bad about what Moss said? He didn't care for the way the Packer organization handled the situation and gave his opinion on it, much like Favre did in voicing how he didn't like the fact that TT didn't do more to acquire Moss, Then he proceeded to throw (or not, depending on who you believe) a tantrum saying he wanted to be traded because of it. Now, if you prefer to split hairs as to context and what a player is or is not allowed to comment on, I don't particularly have a problem with that. Just doesn't seem to be a very balanced or objective view, is all.

Care to bring one sourced quote of Favre asking to be traded? I bet you cannot do it.And yes...it is much different than a player talking about his own ####ing team....if Favre had bashed the Raiders or Pats...I would say the same thing as I am saying about Moss. Thats the point. You don't go around badmouthing other teams. Its not splitting hairs at all. You just cannot grasp the difference between situations and chose to try and play this little game because it involves the Packers....talk about not having a balanced or objective view...your history on the topic of the Packers pretty much ruins any kind of credibility you might have on this topic.

How about this from Jay Glazer, a very respected NFL insider:"Just two or three days after last month's NFL Draft, Favre's agent Bus Cook phoned Green Bay's general manager Ted Thompson and asked that his client be traded, the sources said. In the conversation, Cook railed off on how his client was fed up with the organization and wanted out." Now just who wants this guy? Favre has reportedly settled down and now says he wants to stay, but he's still pissed that the Packers have done nothing to get better in the offseason."

I'm sure that won't be good enough, but really, it just seems to matter more who it was that decided to speak out and dare say something bad about GB (a guy as reviled by some as Moss) than anything else. If that's really not the case, then mea culpa, bro.

Um, how exactly have you provided a FAVRE QUOTE? You offered a quote from Jay Glazer - not from Brett Favre. Nice try though.

Thanks for your input, Fla\/\/ed III.

Look, you claimed to offer up a quote from Favre. Instead, it was from Jay Glazer. Not my fault that your critical reasoning skills are lacking.

 

[Beergogglz]

Think Randy Moss would have been worth one more win for the Packers?I do.

But he's a cancer! Listen to the Favre and green/yella sychophants who say so! It is fact because they utter it!

Man your a tool..

Awwww, can't you be exellent, dude?

 

[Statorama]

Think Randy Moss would have been worth one more win for the Packers?I do.

What a stupid point...Moss is probably worth one more win for all the NFL teams that failed to trade for him, not just the Packers. Every team had a chance to pony up for him and didn't, not just the Packers.

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about the Packers blowing their chance to get Moss. If you'd like to start the "Lions blew a chance at Moss" then I'll say he'd be worth one more win for them as well.For all the talk I hear about the Shark Pool being a place where people are "excellent to each other" I get more and more evidence through posts like yours that this is simply not the case.

 

[Statorama]

Think Randy Moss would have been worth one more win for the Packers?I do.

But he's a cancer! Listen to the Favre and green/yella sychophants who say so! It is fact because they utter it!

Man your a tool..

Awwww, can't you be exellent, dude?

I see I'm not the only one that's getting "unexcellent" treatment.

 

[Statorama]

Ladies, please. You're BOTH pretty.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Think Randy Moss would have been worth one more win for the Packers?I do.

But he's a cancer! Listen to the Favre and green/yella sychophants who say so! It is fact because they utter it!

Man your a tool..

I think he knows he's a tool but he just can't help it.