Packers doing due diligence on Jason Taylor (1 Viewer)

[Man in the yellow hat]

Taylor's form D coaches are in Green Bay. KGB is coming off knee surgery. Core Williams is gone, so Cullen Jenkins could play inside on passing downs.

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Notes: A hint of interest

Swap for Taylor intrigues team

By GREG A. BEDARD

gbedard@journalsentinel.com

Posted: June 18, 2008

Green Bay - While defensive end Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila said Wednesday he has "no doubt" his surgically repaired knee will be ready for the start of training camp, the Green Bay Packers are keeping their options open.

After informally asking the Miami Dolphins what they wanted in exchange for defensive end Jason Taylor before the draft, the Packers have kept cursory contact with the Dolphins and have done their homework internally since then.

Packers general manager Ted Thompson recently discussed Taylor with defensive coordinator Bob Sanders and defensive tackles coach Robert Nunn, who both coached Taylor with the Dolphins. Both assistants have a fondness for Taylor and would undoubtedly be in favor of acquiring the 2006 NFL Defensive Player of the Year.

And despite what Taylor and the Dolphins have said since Taylor's press conference on May 31, Taylor is very much on the trade market.

According to a South Florida source, Taylor has only pushed the team harder for a trade since he publicly denied making such a demand.

 

[Sabertooth]

This would make their line much better for sure. I'd love his versatility and pass rushing skill to compliment Kampman.

 

[sho nuff]

Ive been wanting this since before the draft...and still do.

 

[Master of Past and Present]

What would they have to give up to get it done?

 

[strykerpks]

Obviously speculation from a beat writer but it seems as if this is not even close yet.

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On Jason Taylor

By Greg A. Bedard

Thursday, Jun 19 2008, 12:25 AM

Green Bay - While I was sitting on a few of the details about the Packers' "interest" (I use that term very loosely) in Dolphins defensive end Jason Taylor until any talks reached substantive form -- they aren't even close to that at this point -- most of them are here.

Here are the highlights:

* Namely, the Packers inquired in passing about what the Dolphins wanted for Taylor before the draft. They were told a first-round pick. The Packers almost laughed. Since then, the Packers have checked in from time to time. The Dolphins outwardly are still bluffing, but inwardly they are coming off their asking price....

* ...That's because Taylor has only pushed harder for a trade since he denied doing exactly that. Taylor is miserable with his situation with the Dolphins, from what I've been told, and wants out more than ever.

* Packers GM Ted Thompson has discussed Taylor with defensive coordinator Bob Sanders and defensive tackles coach Robert Nunn. I don't know exactly what they said to Thompson, but I know they both love Taylor.

* There will be little, if any, discussion unless Taylor backs off his plan to only play one more season. Taylor, I'm told, is amenable to that if it's the right situation.

* Both sides might be willing to do the deal for a second-round pick. But that's only if two very stubborn negotiators -- Thompson and Bill Parcells -- both feel they're getting a good deal. That might be tough to do. And we all know how Thompson keeps a death grip on his draft choices.

But Thompson also has the reputation for being a guy that, once he gets an idea in his head that he thinks is good, he has a hard time shaking it. So we'll have to see.

The bottom line is the Packers and Dolphins have not yet engaged in trade talks. Not even close. And that likely won't happen until at least right before training camp. So a deal is not even on the radar of being imminent.

But feel free to dream about it.

 

[zamboni]

What would they have to give up to get it done?

Free lessons at the Green Bay School of Dance.

 

[Portis 26]

Taylor is only going to be playing one more year. I'd be surprised if the Packers gave up that much for him.

 

[texasheat]

How does this affect Javon Walker?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

The problem all along has been that the Dolphins want way too much for a DE that will be 34 when the season starts. The Jaguars got ripped on draft day by Mel Kiper for not trading for Taylor when the Dolphins were demanding a 1st and a 3rd from Jax at the time.

 

[Bruce Leroy]

Of course. The Dolphins want the moon because they want to build a team. Only problem is the "Herschel Walker / John Hadl / Ricky Williams" type deals are gone. I guarantee Ted T won't give up the moon for the guy. Honestly he isn't worth much more than a 4th or 3rd rounder at the highest.

If Jason was 26 or 27 years old then I'd be inclined to give up much more but not at 34 when he said he only wants to play 1 more season.

 

[Phurfur]

Taylor is only going to be playing one more year. I'd be surprised if the Packers gave up that much for him.

What makes you say this. ???? LINK ????

 

[Tanner9919]

if we're going to speculate, how about Shockey for Taylor and a Miami's second round pick in next year's draft?!

Strahan retired, Taylor would be a perfect fit to fill his shoes...

just speculating and tossing ideas out there..

 

[jurrassic]

This rumor is gaining some steam. The GB and Milwaukee papers have reported it, and now Mortenson has picked up the story on ESPN. In addition to the obvious connections to the coaching staff already mentioned. Wolf and Parcells are best of friends (Parcells was incredibly close to taking the Packers job before Holmgren) and Thompson and Harlan still talk to Wolf on a regular basis, in addition to his son being one of the top scouts on the staff. I don't know if this will happen but it would certainly quiet some of the Vikings fans after the Jared Allen move. Kampann and Taylor on the edges would be awfully tough to contend with. I don't know if Thompson will give up a 2nd. He refused to give up a 4th for Moss (granted there were other circumstances involved there). If he can get Taylor to commit to 2 years and maybe get a 5th back I could see it maybe happening.

 

[Trey]

I know as a Dolphins' fan my glasses are a bit tinted, but I honestly feel that GMs way overvalue draft picks. Remember when the Patriots gave up a 2nd and 7th for Wes Welker? That seemed to work out pretty well for them.

I mean I think I would trade a 2nd any day of the week for Taylor if I am in a position to contend. The draft is a total roll of the dice. If the player pans out, if the player is more than just a backup, if the player doesn't get injured, etc. etc. There are so many variables in the 2nd round of the draft... I just feel like a player of Taylor's caliber can do wonders for the Packers THIS coming season. He will have a bigger impact this season than most of the 2009 2nd Rounders will have over their entire careers.

 

[Bruce Leroy]

This rumor is gaining some steam. The GB and Milwaukee papers have reported it, and now Mortenson has picked up the story on ESPN. In addition to the obvious connections to the coaching staff already mentioned. Wolf and Parcells are best of friends (Parcells was incredibly close to taking the Packers job before Holmgren) and Thompson and Harlan still talk to Wolf on a regular basis, in addition to his son being one of the top scouts on the staff. I don't know if this will happen but it would certainly quiet some of the Vikings fans after the Jared Allen move. Kampann and Taylor on the edges would be awfully tough to contend with. I don't know if Thompson will give up a 2nd. He refused to give up a 4th for Moss (granted there were other circumstances involved there). If he can get Taylor to commit to 2 years and maybe get a 5th back I could see it maybe happening.

Parcells was rumored to be HC of Green Bay AFTER Holmgren left for Seattle. That would have been a dream team of epic proportions (Parcells & Wolf)

 

[ookook]

I know as a Dolphins' fan my glasses are a bit tinted, but I honestly feel that GMs way overvalue draft picks. Remember when the Patriots gave up a 2nd and 7th for Wes Welker? That seemed to work out pretty well for them.I mean I think I would trade a 2nd any day of the week for Taylor if I am in a position to contend. The draft is a total roll of the dice. If the player pans out, if the player is more than just a backup, if the player doesn't get injured, etc. etc. There are so many variables in the 2nd round of the draft... I just feel like a player of Taylor's caliber can do wonders for the Packers THIS coming season. He will have a bigger impact this season than most of the 2009 2nd Rounders will have over their entire careers.

I would agree with most of this outside of the context of a player who has commented they may only play 1 more year and who has so many lucrative opportunities outside of football. Taylor at his present skill level would well be worth a second if you got him for 3 years. One year not so much. If Taylor gives a 2 year committment and hte Packers get a 5th back I would say go fit it.

 

[jurrassic]

I know as a Dolphins' fan my glasses are a bit tinted, but I honestly feel that GMs way overvalue draft picks. Remember when the Patriots gave up a 2nd and 7th for Wes Welker? That seemed to work out pretty well for them.I mean I think I would trade a 2nd any day of the week for Taylor if I am in a position to contend. The draft is a total roll of the dice. If the player pans out, if the player is more than just a backup, if the player doesn't get injured, etc. etc. There are so many variables in the 2nd round of the draft... I just feel like a player of Taylor's caliber can do wonders for the Packers THIS coming season. He will have a bigger impact this season than most of the 2009 2nd Rounders will have over their entire careers.

I would agree with most of this outside of the context of a player who has commented they may only play 1 more year and who has so many lucrative opportunities outside of football. Taylor at his present skill level would well be worth a second if you got him for 3 years. One year not so much. If Taylor gives a 2 year committment and hte Packers get a 5th back I would say go fit it.

I agree with this. 2 year committment and a 5th for the Packers 2nd. Thompson likes to trade down so much he will reacquire the pick next year. He also has to look at how young this team is and how much cap space they have. At a certain point, they won't have room to add draft picks.

 

[Despyzer]

What would they have to give up to get it done?

Their expectation that players focus primarily on football... and probably a 3rd rounder. The Chargers reportedly tossed them a 5th and a Pro Bowl special-teamer (Osgood) but were unwilling to give up any more for him.

 

[scott72]

I don't see it happening. I don't see TT giving up a 2nd for him even if he does commit to two years. TT is in love with draft picks and rarely ever trades them off. I can see him parting with a 3rd possibly, but I don't see Miami taking that unless it's a 3rd the next couple years or so. Just don't see this happening. TT's not big on older FA's either. Another team will probably throw a 2nd at them at some point but it won't be the Pack.

 

[Sabertooth]

What would they have to give up to get it done?

Their expectation that players focus primarily on football... and probably a 3rd rounder. The Chargers reportedly tossed them a 5th and a Pro Bowl special-teamer (Osgood) but were unwilling to give up any more for him.

Pro Bowl special teamer is a far cry from a Pro Bowl defensive end.

 

[Despyzer]

What would they have to give up to get it done?

Their expectation that players focus primarily on football... and probably a 3rd rounder. The Chargers reportedly tossed them a 5th and a Pro Bowl special-teamer (Osgood) but were unwilling to give up any more for him.

Pro Bowl special teamer is a far cry from a Pro Bowl defensive end.

So is the Jason Taylor of today compared to Jason Taylor the Pro Bowler. Throw in a mid-round draft choice and Jason Taylor of today for a Pro Bowl special teamer seems about right.

 

[sho nuff]

I don't see it happening. I don't see TT giving up a 2nd for him even if he does commit to two years. TT is in love with draft picks and rarely ever trades them off. I can see him parting with a 3rd possibly, but I don't see Miami taking that unless it's a 3rd the next couple years or so. Just don't see this happening. TT's not big on older FA's either. Another team will probably throw a 2nd at them at some point but it won't be the Pack.

Older FAs like say...Charles Woodson?He is not big on making big splashes in FA...that much is true.But TT has always said, if the felt the team was close, he would be willing to make more moves. Perhaps he is ready...who knows.

 

[sho nuff]

What would they have to give up to get it done?

Their expectation that players focus primarily on football... and probably a 3rd rounder. The Chargers reportedly tossed them a 5th and a Pro Bowl special-teamer (Osgood) but were unwilling to give up any more for him.

Pro Bowl special teamer is a far cry from a Pro Bowl defensive end.

So is the Jason Taylor of today compared to Jason Taylor the Pro Bowler. Throw in a mid-round draft choice and Jason Taylor of today for a Pro Bowl special teamer seems about right.

He is far off from Jason Taylor the pro-bowler?Ummm...he made it last year...was defensive player of the year the year before. He made the pro-bowl for the past 4 years.

 

[Despyzer]

What would they have to give up to get it done?

Their expectation that players focus primarily on football... and probably a 3rd rounder. The Chargers reportedly tossed them a 5th and a Pro Bowl special-teamer (Osgood) but were unwilling to give up any more for him.

Pro Bowl special teamer is a far cry from a Pro Bowl defensive end.

So is the Jason Taylor of today compared to Jason Taylor the Pro Bowler. Throw in a mid-round draft choice and Jason Taylor of today for a Pro Bowl special teamer seems about right.

He is far off from Jason Taylor the pro-bowler?Ummm...he made it last year...was defensive player of the year the year before. He made the pro-bowl for the past 4 years.

And now he primarily focuses on his acting career while spending his entire off-season on some jerkoff dance show. I know it seems crazy, but I'm not just making this up.

 

[Sabertooth]

What would they have to give up to get it done?

Their expectation that players focus primarily on football... and probably a 3rd rounder. The Chargers reportedly tossed them a 5th and a Pro Bowl special-teamer (Osgood) but were unwilling to give up any more for him.

Pro Bowl special teamer is a far cry from a Pro Bowl defensive end.

So is the Jason Taylor of today compared to Jason Taylor the Pro Bowler. Throw in a mid-round draft choice and Jason Taylor of today for a Pro Bowl special teamer seems about right.

Wasn't he defensive POY a few years ago? Did he forget how to play football or something? Obviously it didn't seem "about right" to Parcells.

 

[Sabertooth]

What would they have to give up to get it done?

Their expectation that players focus primarily on football... and probably a 3rd rounder. The Chargers reportedly tossed them a 5th and a Pro Bowl special-teamer (Osgood) but were unwilling to give up any more for him.

Pro Bowl special teamer is a far cry from a Pro Bowl defensive end.

So is the Jason Taylor of today compared to Jason Taylor the Pro Bowler. Throw in a mid-round draft choice and Jason Taylor of today for a Pro Bowl special teamer seems about right.

He is far off from Jason Taylor the pro-bowler?Ummm...he made it last year...was defensive player of the year the year before. He made the pro-bowl for the past 4 years.

And now he primarily focuses on his acting career while spending his entire off-season on some jerkoff dance show. I know it seems crazy, but I'm not just making this up.

You aren't making what up? That he isn't a pro bowler? Yeah you are making it up. It is still the offseason and that show ended a while back. Sounds like sour grapes to me.

 

[sho nuff]

What would they have to give up to get it done?

Their expectation that players focus primarily on football... and probably a 3rd rounder. The Chargers reportedly tossed them a 5th and a Pro Bowl special-teamer (Osgood) but were unwilling to give up any more for him.

Pro Bowl special teamer is a far cry from a Pro Bowl defensive end.

So is the Jason Taylor of today compared to Jason Taylor the Pro Bowler. Throw in a mid-round draft choice and Jason Taylor of today for a Pro Bowl special teamer seems about right.

He is far off from Jason Taylor the pro-bowler?Ummm...he made it last year...was defensive player of the year the year before. He made the pro-bowl for the past 4 years.

And now he primarily focuses on his acting career while spending his entire off-season on some jerkoff dance show. I know it seems crazy, but I'm not just making this up.

Ummm...because of one offseason show you think that is what his primary focus really is or will be if traded?I think the part of doing due diligence is the Packers would not get close to this if Taylor was not focused on football and was only going to play for one or even 2 years.But you made the claim that he is a far cry from the pro bowl Taylor and it simply is not the truth.

 

[mozzy84]

Taylor is only going to be playing one more year. I'd be surprised if the Packers gave up that much for him.

What makes you say this. ???? LINK ????

thats the words that came out of his mouth, just do a quick google if you want a link....

 

[IM666]

Taylor is only going to be playing one more year. I'd be surprised if the Packers gave up that much for him.

What makes you say this. ???? LINK ????

thats the words that came out of his mouth, just do a quick google if you want a link....

Mozzy, I did the Google search, and found this article:

Taylor says he's playing one more year, open to trade

Is this what you are talking about?

No, he did not demand a trade from the Miami Dolphins. Yes, he wants to play one more season before moving on to an acting career. No, he still hasn't spoken with new Dolphins boss Bill Parcells. Yes, he believes Tony Sparano will be a good coach in Miami. No, he doesn't regret missing workouts to appear on ABC's "Dancing with the Stars." Yes, he desperately wants to leave football a winner.

But on one issue -- whether he will he be at training camp with the Dolphins next month -- Taylor showed he can dance while seated, too.

"Do I want to be here? Yeah, I'd love to be here," Taylor said Sunday morning while seated on the top level of an arena in Hollywood -- the South Florida suburb, that is, not the moviemaking capital that has piqued his interest considerably in recent weeks and will likely beckon once he retires. "I would love to be a Dolphin and win games and have it work out for everybody. But that may not be the case."

So the mystery of whether the six-time Pro Bowl defensive end has played his last game for Miami will live on, at least a bit longer.

Taylor seemed to be choosing his words carefully in a 30-minute question-and-answer session, especially when it came to the particularly thorny notion of the Dolphins trading him elsewhere.

He denied widespread reports suggesting his side has demanded a trade, but finally acknowledged what has been suspected for weeks: If Miami wants to move him, he won't argue.

"I want to win in '08. That's what I want to do," Taylor said. "And I've told the Dolphins from Day 1 that was my intention. My intentions right now are to play one more year. I've tried to give the Dolphins the opportunity, if they wanted to do something and move me, then I was OK with that. If they can get value for me, then do that. That was the conversation we had behind closed doors a long time ago."

But since that conversation, the relationship between Taylor and Parcells has seemed to spiral toward broken.

The Dolphins clearly weren't happy that Taylor missed offseason workouts for "Dancing with the Stars." He'll miss another organized team activity day on Monday, when he hosts a charity golf tournament to benefit his foundation, which works with children and is highly active in South Florida. He'll miss minicamp this weekend, too, for both his brother's graduation and an unspecified legal matter.

And on May 21, Sparano -- part of the huge overhaul after Miami's 1-15 season a year ago -- added even more drama.

Without offering much in the way of details, Sparano said Taylor would not be with the team for any minicamps or training camp.

"I'm glad we know this and we've gotten the information," Sparano said at the time, and neither he nor Parcells nor general manager Jeff Ireland has addressed it since.

So on Sunday, Taylor offered a sliver of his side on that story -- but again, stopping short of revealing all the details.

"I think what he was trying to accomplish was a little different than what may have came out," said Taylor, who met with Sparano last week. "But what Tony and I talk about closed doors, I think, needs to stay that way."

Some of what has gone on behind those doors, though, has leaked out.

Most notably came this encounter: During a trip back to Miami while "Dancing" was still going on, Taylor visited the Dolphins' offices while Parcells was watching tape. Parcells barely acknowledged Taylor when his defensive end entered the room, and within seconds turned all his attention back to the tape.

"Did it happen? Yeah," Taylor said. "But I'm not going to talk further about it."

The Dolphins have not commented about Taylor since May 21. Sparano vowed he would not address the issue further after that day.

"It would be real great to be able to learn from him and play against him because he's one of the best in the game," Dolphins offensive lineman Jake Long, the No. 1 overall pick in this year's draft, said Saturday at the team's annual charity fishing tournament. "So I'm really excited for that chance. Hopefully it happens."

It still might.

Taylor has spent all 11 of his NFL seasons with the Dolphins, winning defensive player of the year honors in 2006. But the Dolphins -- who haven't made the playoffs in six seasons and haven't gotten past the divisional round since Taylor arrived -- are rebuilding, once again.

Taylor's brother-in-law and longtime defensive teammate, Zach Thomas, was released in February and ultimately signed with the Dallas Cowboys. (Taylor called Thomas' departure disappointing Sunday.) Parcells is in the midst of shaking up the entire roster. And it's probably a safe bet that the process of making Miami a winner again will last longer than Taylor's anticipated one-year window.

"At 34 years old, you start to count your days a little more and cherish the days a little more," said Taylor, who turns 34 on Sept. 1. "I think that Bill and Tony and Jeff will be the right guys for the job. And how quickly this turns around here? I don't know. We'll see."

 

[Despyzer]

What would they have to give up to get it done?

Their expectation that players focus primarily on football... and probably a 3rd rounder. The Chargers reportedly tossed them a 5th and a Pro Bowl special-teamer (Osgood) but were unwilling to give up any more for him.

Pro Bowl special teamer is a far cry from a Pro Bowl defensive end.

So is the Jason Taylor of today compared to Jason Taylor the Pro Bowler. Throw in a mid-round draft choice and Jason Taylor of today for a Pro Bowl special teamer seems about right.

He is far off from Jason Taylor the pro-bowler?Ummm...he made it last year...was defensive player of the year the year before. He made the pro-bowl for the past 4 years.

And now he primarily focuses on his acting career while spending his entire off-season on some jerkoff dance show. I know it seems crazy, but I'm not just making this up.

Ummm...because of one offseason show you think that is what his primary focus really is or will be if traded?I think the part of doing due diligence is the Packers would not get close to this if Taylor was not focused on football and was only going to play for one or even 2 years.But you made the claim that he is a far cry from the pro bowl Taylor and it simply is not the truth.

Ummm... I realize you know a lot more about football and players than the NFL general managers, so how else do you explain the fact that the best offer the Dolphins have had for Talyor's services thus far are a 5th rounder + Kaseem Osgood?

 

[mozzy84]

Taylor is only going to be playing one more year. I'd be surprised if the Packers gave up that much for him.

What makes you say this. ???? LINK ????

thats the words that came out of his mouth, just do a quick google if you want a link....

Mozzy, I did the Google search, and found this article:

Taylor says he's playing one more year, open to trade

Is this what you are talking about?

this is the quote I was talking about, not sure if it was in that article.http://www.palmbeachpost.com/dolphins/cont...lid=inform_artr

Taylor, who will turn 34 in September, has two years remaining on his contract at $7.5 million and $8 million. He said "My intentions right now are to play one more year," but it's believed he will consider finishing out his contract for a championship-caliber club.

not sure how he would feel about playing a green bay (if he would finish out his contract), I know they could sure use him but they would be fools to give up anything more than a 4th rounder if he's done after this season.

 

[sho nuff]

What would they have to give up to get it done?

Their expectation that players focus primarily on football... and probably a 3rd rounder. The Chargers reportedly tossed them a 5th and a Pro Bowl special-teamer (Osgood) but were unwilling to give up any more for him.

Pro Bowl special teamer is a far cry from a Pro Bowl defensive end.

So is the Jason Taylor of today compared to Jason Taylor the Pro Bowler. Throw in a mid-round draft choice and Jason Taylor of today for a Pro Bowl special teamer seems about right.

He is far off from Jason Taylor the pro-bowler?Ummm...he made it last year...was defensive player of the year the year before. He made the pro-bowl for the past 4 years.

And now he primarily focuses on his acting career while spending his entire off-season on some jerkoff dance show. I know it seems crazy, but I'm not just making this up.

Ummm...because of one offseason show you think that is what his primary focus really is or will be if traded?I think the part of doing due diligence is the Packers would not get close to this if Taylor was not focused on football and was only going to play for one or even 2 years.But you made the claim that he is a far cry from the pro bowl Taylor and it simply is not the truth.

Ummm... I realize you know a lot more about football and players than the NFL general managers, so how else do you explain the fact that the best offer the Dolphins have had for Talyor's services thus far are a 5th rounder + Kaseem Osgood?

Where do I claim to know more than them.Typical rebuttal when someone makes a foolish statement about a player and his talent.So far, people only think he might play one year.I have said that the Packers would not go for it if it were just one year. That is what talking to him and doing background is for.This is far off right now anyway.But if it works out...to say that he is a far cry from pro-bowl Jason Taylor is just complete nonsense. There is no defense of that statement.

 

[Despyzer]

Ummm... I realize you know a lot more about football and players than the NFL general managers, so how else do you explain the fact that the best offer the Dolphins have had for Talyor's services thus far are a 5th rounder + Kaseem Osgood?

Where do I claim to know more than them.Typical rebuttal when someone makes a foolish statement about a player and his talent.So far, people only think he might play one year.I have said that the Packers would not go for it if it were just one year. That is what talking to him and doing background is for.This is far off right now anyway.But if it works out...to say that he is a far cry from pro-bowl Jason Taylor is just complete nonsense. There is no defense of that statement.

I notice you didn't answer the question. If Jason Taylor is this sure-fire Pro-Bowl talent player right now, why is no one willing to throw much more than scraps out for him?

 

[Phurfur]

I don't see it happening. I don't see TT giving up a 2nd for him even if he does commit to two years. TT is in love with draft picks and rarely ever trades them off. I can see him parting with a 3rd possibly, but I don't see Miami taking that unless it's a 3rd the next couple years or so. Just don't see this happening. TT's not big on older FA's either. Another team will probably throw a 2nd at them at some point but it won't be the Pack.

Older FAs like say...Charles Woodson?He is not big on making big splashes in FA...that much is true.

But TT has always said, if the felt the team was close, he would be willing to make more moves. Perhaps he is ready...who knows.

Charles Woodson was 29 when GB picked him up, 4 years younger than Taylor and Taylor is not a FA.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Ummm... I realize you know a lot more about football and players than the NFL general managers, so how else do you explain the fact that the best offer the Dolphins have had for Talyor's services thus far are a 5th rounder + Kaseem Osgood?

Where do I claim to know more than them.Typical rebuttal when someone makes a foolish statement about a player and his talent.So far, people only think he might play one year.I have said that the Packers would not go for it if it were just one year. That is what talking to him and doing background is for.This is far off right now anyway.But if it works out...to say that he is a far cry from pro-bowl Jason Taylor is just complete nonsense. There is no defense of that statement.

I notice you didn't answer the question. If Jason Taylor is this sure-fire Pro-Bowl talent player right now, why is no one willing to throw much more than scraps out for him?

Because he says he's only going to play one year.

 

[scott72]

Ummm... I realize you know a lot more about football and players than the NFL general managers, so how else do you explain the fact that the best offer the Dolphins have had for Talyor's services thus far are a 5th rounder + Kaseem Osgood?

Where do I claim to know more than them.Typical rebuttal when someone makes a foolish statement about a player and his talent.So far, people only think he might play one year.I have said that the Packers would not go for it if it were just one year. That is what talking to him and doing background is for.This is far off right now anyway.But if it works out...to say that he is a far cry from pro-bowl Jason Taylor is just complete nonsense. There is no defense of that statement.

I notice you didn't answer the question. If Jason Taylor is this sure-fire Pro-Bowl talent player right now, why is no one willing to throw much more than scraps out for him?

Because he says he's only going to play one year.

This is exactly what the problem is. Why would any team throw a 1st or even a 2nd at a guy that is only going to be around for one season? If his heart is in retiring I don't think it's worth the risk.

 

[Gatorman]

I can see this being a deal that goes down mainly b/c the people involved are friends. Taylor goes to GB to play for 2 more years (TT convinces him of this, and he does it as a "screw you" to Parcells). GB gives up a conditional third that can become a 1st if 1) Taylor makes the pro bowl (or gets double digit sacks). This is a win for everyone involved.

JT has already stated that his Dancing with the stars training has put him in better shape than he has ever been in an offseason, so the JT you ae getting is "fire off the blocks ready to go" JT, not the JT that came to camp out of shape with Cameron and did not get on track until game 4 or so in 07.

TT doesnt like to give up picks, and parcells doesn't like to trade good players for less than they're worth, but they may meet in the middle here.

Gator

PS. Taylor is 1 year removed from DPOY and a probowler. He is also a Patriot killer BY HIMSELF which is a team you are going to have to get past if you are trying to win a superbowl. The talk of a 4th rounder...as a fan I say "let him rot" rather thn helping another team for a second day pick.

 

[massraider]

First, it's allways a safe bet to bet against a player being traded after the draft. Just doesn't seem to happen that often.

Having said that, the Fins aren't contending this year, and it would seem prudent to get something for a guy who only has a year left. I would think a team that was primed to make a run would offer a 3rd for him. First team that jumps to mind is Jacksonville.

If Green Bay was interested, I wonder if part of the plan is to convince Taylor to stick around longer. I know he said he only wants to play one more eyar, but players change their minds. If Taylor thought GB was a contender in 09 as well, I could see him playing again.

 

[ScottyFargo]

I can see this being a deal that goes down mainly b/c the people involved are friends. Taylor goes to GB to play for 2 more years (TT convinces him of this, and he does it as a "screw you" to Parcells). GB gives up a conditional third that can become a 1st if 1) Taylor makes the pro bowl (or gets double digit sacks). This is a win for everyone involved.

I don't think that's terribly likely. I don't think that a team that likes to hold onto it's picks would risk a 1st round pick, a potential career player, for one, maybe two years of play from Jason Taylor. (I also think it unlikely Taylor would be willing to stick around another year solely to spite Parcells...) They'd have to think it would be the move to make to put them over the top. They can't be certain of what they have in Rodgers' ability to control the game. Two years ago with Favre still under center this would have been an amazing slam dunk, I think. Taylor on the Packers is a frightening thought, though.

 

[sho nuff]

Ummm... I realize you know a lot more about football and players than the NFL general managers, so how else do you explain the fact that the best offer the Dolphins have had for Talyor's services thus far are a 5th rounder + Kaseem Osgood?

Where do I claim to know more than them.Typical rebuttal when someone makes a foolish statement about a player and his talent.So far, people only think he might play one year.I have said that the Packers would not go for it if it were just one year. That is what talking to him and doing background is for.This is far off right now anyway.But if it works out...to say that he is a far cry from pro-bowl Jason Taylor is just complete nonsense. There is no defense of that statement.

I notice you didn't answer the question. If Jason Taylor is this sure-fire Pro-Bowl talent player right now, why is no one willing to throw much more than scraps out for him?

Actually i did answer it...learn to read."So far, people only think he might play one year."

 

[sho nuff]

Ummm... I realize you know a lot more about football and players than the NFL general managers, so how else do you explain the fact that the best offer the Dolphins have had for Talyor's services thus far are a 5th rounder + Kaseem Osgood?

Where do I claim to know more than them.Typical rebuttal when someone makes a foolish statement about a player and his talent.So far, people only think he might play one year.I have said that the Packers would not go for it if it were just one year. That is what talking to him and doing background is for.This is far off right now anyway.But if it works out...to say that he is a far cry from pro-bowl Jason Taylor is just complete nonsense. There is no defense of that statement.

I notice you didn't answer the question. If Jason Taylor is this sure-fire Pro-Bowl talent player right now, why is no one willing to throw much more than scraps out for him?

Because he says he's only going to play one year.

This is exactly what the problem is. Why would any team throw a 1st or even a 2nd at a guy that is only going to be around for one season? If his heart is in retiring I don't think it's worth the risk.

I thionk everyone has gone under the assumption that they can get him to play at least 2 more.i dont think anyone is for doing it for just one year.

 

[hickbones]

Taylor's shaking in his boots about this. He would go from the warmest climate in the NFL to the harshest!

 

[sho nuff]

Taylor's shaking in his boots about this. He would go from the warmest climate in the NFL to the harshest!

Shaking?Why...the Dolphins have won a total of 20 games over the last 4 years.Even with a few down years GB has won 35 in that time period.

 

[scott72]

Doesn't look like Taylor is interested in the Packers anyhow. Let him go. Way too risky at this point to give anything up for a guy that doesn't really know what he wants.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=764537

Green Bay - The Green Bay Packers might have at least some interest in trading for Miami Dolphins defensive end Jason Taylor, but the curiosity isn't mutual at the moment.

The Packers are not on the lengthy list of teams Taylor would like to join in a trade, according to multiple sources close to the situation. And it doesn’t appear they’ll be added any time soon.

“I don’t see it happening,” a source close to Taylor said Friday.

None of the sources would give out the complete list, which has roughly 12 teams on it. San Diego, New England, Dallas, Jacksonville and Philadelphia are among the teams Taylor is interested in, but all have at least two of the following three traits in common: They have a chance to go deep into the playoffs, are in close proximity to Florida or California or reside in a top television market.

The Packers, who return nearly their entire team that went 13-3 and lost in the NFC Championship Game last season, meet only the first criterion. However, the retirement of the one starter lost from that team — quarterback Brett Favre — makes the Packers far from a sure thing to Taylor.

“He’s been through that quarterback thing before,” the source said. “He doesn’t want to go through it again. Maybe if Favre was still there, but even that wouldn’t be a given.”

Packers fans still holding out hope for a Favre return will speculate that a trade for Taylor could bring Favre back. It’s too bad Favre recently pulled out of the upcoming American Century celebrity golf tournament in Lake Tahoe, Nev. The two could have talked about it, since Taylor is on the invite list.

Perhaps Aaron Rodgers, who will succeed Favre as the Packers’ starting quarterback, can recruit Taylor. Rodgers is playing in the tournament.

It is unlikely Rodgers could sway him, though. Taylor’s in this position — 34 years old (on Sept. 1) without a Super Bowl ring — largely because of the situation the Packers are about to go through: figuring out how to succeed after a Hall of Fame quarterback retires.

After playing with Dan Marino during his final three seasons, Taylor watched as 13 starting quarterbacks failed to adequately replace him. As a result, Taylor has gone six years without even playing in a playoff game. So the prospect of playing with Rodgers, who has yet to start a game, is far from enticing.

That’s not to say Packers general manager Ted Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy couldn’t make a pitch that would change Taylor’s mind. The team would need to speak with him — if the Dolphins grant that request — to find out if Taylor would agree to play for two seasons, which is a condition of any possible deal.

The Packers, who have only casually inquired about Taylor and explored a possible deal internally at this point, could also sell Taylor on Green Bay at the same time.

The Packers have three things going for them: Taylor has played and excelled in the same defensive system, Taylor has never played under a more stable coach/general manager combination and the Packers have four prime-time games on their schedule, including showcase matchups against the Minnesota Vikings and Dallas Cowboys. The Packers also play the Indianapolis Colts.

Visibility would aid the transition to the second phase of Taylor’s life: acting. For now, his plan is to play one more season so he doesn’t have to end his career with Miami’s 1-15 season of a year ago. And those close to Taylor would rather he move full time to Hollywood right away.

As it is, Taylor is planning to live in southern California half of the year starting in 2009, so he would not be involved in off-season workouts next year if he did agree to play two more seasons. The Packers likely wouldn’t have a problem with that since McCarthy allows his veteran players a lot of leeway in that regard.

Although the Dolphins could trade Taylor to any team, he could control his fate by threatening to retire if he’s not dealt to one of his preferred teams.

Observers who have watched Taylor play his entire career said he might not be worth the trouble. After being named NFL defensive player of the year in 2006, his play declined last season, though he still had 11 sacks. However, one said the team’s struggles affected Taylor’s play.

The Packers will have to weigh all those factors if they proceed toward a deal, which sources said was not on the radar at the moment.

 

[bcr8f]

Green Bay is more interested in healthy DT's right now.

 

[FUBAR]

Am I the only person who keeps thinking Tony Sparano is in the mafia?

 

[sho nuff]

Green Bay is more interested in healthy DT's right now.

A healthy DE would work too with Jenkins able to play inside or out.

 

[Balco]

Green Bay is more interested in healthy DT's right now.

A healthy DE would work too with Jenkins able to play inside or out.

I don't like Jenkins full time at tackle. I think as it stands out best D Line is - DE: Kampman DT: Jolly DT: Picket DE: Jenkins

 

[sho nuff]

Green Bay is more interested in healthy DT's right now.

A healthy DE would work too with Jenkins able to play inside or out.

I don't like Jenkins full time at tackle. I think as it stands out best D Line is - DE: Kampman DT: Jolly DT: Picket DE: Jenkins

I think Jenkins is a great tackle. He just has done very well playing the early downs at DE...better than KGB over there full time.

 

[Despyzer]

It doesn't matter whether the Packers are interested in him or not. Taylor doesn't think that playing in Green Bay will aid his true pursuit of an acting career.

Link

The Green Bay Packers might have at least some interest in trading for Miami Dolphins defensive end Jason Taylor, but the curiosity isn't mutual at the moment.

The Packers are not on the lengthy list of teams Taylor would like to join in a trade, according to multiple sources close to the situation. And it doesn’t appear they’ll be added any time soon.

“I don’t see it happening,” a source close to Taylor said Friday.

None of the sources would give out the complete list, which has roughly 12 teams on it. San Diego, New England, Dallas, Jacksonville and Philadelphia are among the teams Taylor is interested in, but all have at least two of the following three traits in common: They have a chance to go deep into the playoffs, are in close proximity to Florida or California or reside in a top television market.

Visibility would aid the transition to the second phase of Taylor’s life: acting. For now, his plan is to play one more season so he doesn’t have to end his career with Miami’s 1-15 season of a year ago. And those close to Taylor would rather he move full time to Hollywood right away.

Observers who have watched Taylor play his entire career said he might not be worth the trouble. After being named NFL defensive player of the year in 2006, his play declined last season, though he still had 11 sacks. However, one said the team’s struggles affected Taylor’s play.