Palmer out a year? CJ says maybe (1 Viewer)

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Please list the advances in ACL reconstruction in the last 10 years.

Well roughly 20 years ago Bernard King was "the first" to comeback from successful major knee reconstruction including ACL surgery. Not 100% certain what was an idea 20-10 years ago and what was 10-now but there is a dramatic improvement. Between 20-10 there were still players in all sports that did NOT come back from knee surgery. Ralph Sampson came back and ran like an old man, either Word or Okoye(I think) were guys that didn't make it back. Someone else could probably list more. Nowadays it's a matter of when not if, as you know.

Please list the advances in ACL reconstruction in the last 10 years.

http://www.doityourself.com

You made the contention, not me. Now back it up, or scamper off.

 

[Bri]

Please list the advances in ACL reconstruction in the last 10 years.

Well roughly 20 years ago Bernard King was "the first" to comeback from successful major knee reconstruction including ACL surgery. Not 100% certain what was an idea 20-10 years ago and what was 10-now but there is a dramatic improvement. Between 20-10 there were still players in all sports that did NOT come back from knee surgery. Ralph Sampson came back and ran like an old man, either Word or Okoye(I think) were guys that didn't make it back. Someone else could probably list more. Nowadays it's a matter of when not if, as you know.

Please list the advances in ACL reconstruction in the last 10 years.

http://www.doityourself.com

You made the contention, not me. Now back it up, or scamper off.

I thought it was funny.I'll research it at some point and post back

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Please list the advances in ACL reconstruction in the last 10 years.

Well roughly 20 years ago Bernard King was "the first" to comeback from successful major knee reconstruction including ACL surgery. Not 100% certain what was an idea 20-10 years ago and what was 10-now but there is a dramatic improvement. Between 20-10 there were still players in all sports that did NOT come back from knee surgery. Ralph Sampson came back and ran like an old man, either Word or Okoye(I think) were guys that didn't make it back. Someone else could probably list more. Nowadays it's a matter of when not if, as you know.

Please list the advances in ACL reconstruction in the last 10 years.

http://www.doityourself.com

You made the contention, not me. Now back it up, or scamper off.

I thought it was funny.I'll research it at some point and post back

Oh, okay. I thought you were dodging the question. Look forward to your findings.

 

[jerseyh8r]

An ACL tear usually takes 6 months to a year for complete recovery. People expecting him to be 100% by week 1 are being very optimistic considering he tore three ligaments and not just the ACL.

When's the last time anyone saw an ACL tear healed in 6 months? Just curious, cause I've never witnessed that -- most RBs aren't the same for almost 2 years.

6 months is the average, I have seen 13 year old girls return to soccer (with all it's lateral agilities) in 5 months.This is beyond hysterical. What a bunch of crap -- especially the first sentence.

are either of you doctors?

Wow...should have looked back at this thread. Was flipping through this morning, and was kinda surpised to see such harsh disagreement to my remarks.In no way am I saying that a RB returns to "form" in 6 months on average. This is a thread about a QB returning to the field of play by the beginning of next season. I was merely saying that the average ACL rehab for an athlete is 6 months before they can return to full contact sport. A return to sport does not necessitate a return to previous abilities, only that they can return and play without any additional risk. By additional risk, I mean that (in football for instance) there is always a risk, even when their is no injury history. When someone can return to sport, their body is ready to go, they then need to expand their own specific skillsets via practice and time spent on the field to return to the levels of performance prior to the injury. Whether or not you believe that 6 months is a reasonable amount of time to rehab an ACL injury is entirely up to you. However...

I am a physical therapist and I have anywhere between 3-5 ACL patients at any given time. I did work on a 13 year old who injured her leg in October '04, surgery in November, and was playing soccer when the snow melted in the spring. Was she as agile and as confident in her leg as she had been before? Of course not, but she was playing and probably took another few months to gain the agility she once possessed prior to injury. Her leg was fully healed, stronger than before her injury and she was ready to play. This particular girl was discharged from therapy after 5 months and 1 week post-op. The average patient at my facility is returning to previous levels of function after 6 months. Laugh all you like, but it happens. Here are some protocols that I found via Google. I am not in favor of protocols personally as they are inflexible, but they provide an outline of the rehab schedule after surgery.

Example 1

Example 2

Example 3

"But you aren't working with professional athletes"

As far as athletes are concerned, you need to remember that rehab is their FT job. They are not like the traditional weekend warrior who busts up their knee, but still has to put 50-60 hours of work weekly and sqeeze in rehab 2-3 times per week. For people to compare their own experiences on this board with their own knees is applicable, but not effective. The quality of surgeons, rehab personel, and the time that professional athletes are afforded to rehab their bodies is unparalleled. The competitive athlete can make it back in 6 months.

The difficulty in postulating how well they will perform on the field after rehab, because there are so many different factors that contribute to that players success. These include confidence, psychology, work ethic, and especially the requirements of the position they play. Those whose positions rely more on agility (i.e. RBs) certainly seem to have more difficulty returning to "form" and need more time to get back to where they were....but they are still on the field in approx 6 months.

My contention is that Carson Palmer will likely be ready for next season (following 6 months of rehab). I do not think that agility should be a large factor in his success in the pocket, and therefore I wouldn't hesitate to take him in a re-draft league.

Hope this is helpful to those pondering the Palmer question moving forward into the 2006-07 season.

 

[gman8343]

wow, great posting jersey. That's the kind of insight I was looking for.

 

[SoFresh&SoClean]

This is good to hear.

 

[Boltman]

Great post Jersey. Do you have any experience with shoulders? What do you think of Drew Brees fully recovering from a torn labrum in the throwing shoulder for either training camp or long term? The Chargers and Drew say its going great, but I can't imagine they would ever say anything different. Thanks.

 

[On The Rocks]

Wow...should have looked back at this thread. Was flipping through this morning, and was kinda surpised to see such harsh disagreement to my remarks.

In no way am I saying that a RB returns to "form" in 6 months on average. This is a thread about a QB returning to the field of play by the beginning of next season. I was merely saying that the average ACL rehab for an athlete is 6 months before they can return to full contact sport. A return to sport does not necessitate a return to previous abilities, only that they can return and play without any additional risk. By additional risk, I mean that (in football for instance) there is always a risk, even when their is no injury history. When someone can return to sport, their body is ready to go, they then need to expand their own specific skillsets via practice and time spent on the field to return to the levels of performance prior to the injury. Whether or not you believe that 6 months is a reasonable amount of time to rehab an ACL injury is entirely up to you. However...

I am a physical therapist and I have anywhere between 3-5 ACL patients at any given time. I did work on a 13 year old who injured her leg in October '04, surgery in November, and was playing soccer when the snow melted in the spring. Was she as agile and as confident in her leg as she had been before? Of course not, but she was playing and probably took another few months to gain the agility she once possessed prior to injury. Her leg was fully healed, stronger than before her injury and she was ready to play. This particular girl was discharged from therapy after 5 months and 1 week post-op. The average patient at my facility is returning to previous levels of function after 6 months. Laugh all you like, but it happens. Here are some protocols that I found via Google. I am not in favor of protocols personally as they are inflexible, but they provide an outline of the rehab schedule after surgery.

Example 1

Example 2

Example 3

"But you aren't working with professional athletes"

As far as athletes are concerned, you need to remember that rehab is their FT job. They are not like the traditional weekend warrior who busts up their knee, but still has to put 50-60 hours of work weekly and sqeeze in rehab 2-3 times per week. For people to compare their own experiences on this board with their own knees is applicable, but not effective. The quality of surgeons, rehab personel, and the time that professional athletes are afforded to rehab their bodies is unparalleled. The competitive athlete can make it back in 6 months.

The difficulty in postulating how well they will perform on the field after rehab, because there are so many different factors that contribute to that players success. These include confidence, psychology, work ethic, and especially the requirements of the position they play. Those whose positions rely more on agility (i.e. RBs) certainly seem to have more difficulty returning to "form" and need more time to get back to where they were....but they are still on the field in approx 6 months.

My contention is that Carson Palmer will likely be ready for next season (following 6 months of rehab). I do not think that agility should be a large factor in his success in the pocket, and therefore I wouldn't hesitate to take him in a re-draft league.

Hope this is helpful to those pondering the Palmer question moving forward into the 2006-07 season.

I am a physical therapist

this is a good post...but i requoted the therapist part because after the injury is rehabed, it takes another 12 months to get the mental part repaired. at least for RB's.....and i would think not too different for QB's. yes? no?

 

[Kirby]

Wow...should have looked back at this thread.  Was flipping through this morning, and was kinda surpised to see such harsh disagreement to my remarks.

In no way am I saying that a RB returns to "form" in 6 months on average.  This is a thread about a QB returning to the field of play by the beginning of next season.  I was merely saying that the average ACL rehab for an athlete is 6 months before they can return to full contact sport.  A return to sport does not necessitate a return to previous abilities, only that they can return and play without any additional risk.  By additional risk, I mean that (in football for instance) there is always a risk, even when their is no injury history.  When someone can return to sport, their body is ready to go, they then need to expand their own specific skillsets via practice and time spent on the field to return to the levels of performance prior to the injury.  Whether or not you believe that 6 months is a reasonable amount of time to rehab an ACL injury is entirely up to you.  However...

I am a physical therapist and I have anywhere between 3-5 ACL patients at any given time.  I did work on a 13 year old who injured her leg in October '04, surgery in November, and was playing soccer when the snow melted in the spring.  Was she as agile and as confident in her leg as she had been before?  Of course not, but she was playing and probably took another few months to gain the agility she once possessed prior to injury.  Her leg was fully healed, stronger than before her injury and she was ready to play.  This particular girl was discharged from therapy after 5 months and 1 week post-op.  The average patient at my facility is returning to previous levels of function after 6 months.  Laugh all you like, but it happens.  Here are some protocols that I found via Google.  I am not in favor of protocols personally as they are inflexible, but they provide an outline of the rehab schedule after surgery.

Example 1

Example 2

Example 3

"But you aren't working with professional athletes"

As far as athletes are concerned, you need to remember that rehab is their FT job.  They are not like the traditional weekend warrior who busts up their knee, but still has to put 50-60 hours of work weekly and sqeeze in rehab 2-3 times per week.  For people to compare their own experiences on this board with their own knees is applicable, but not effective.  The quality of surgeons, rehab personel, and the time that professional athletes are afforded to rehab their bodies is unparalleled.  The competitive athlete can make it back in 6 months. 

The difficulty in postulating how well they will perform on the field after rehab, because there are so many different factors that contribute to that players success.  These include confidence, psychology, work ethic, and especially the requirements of the position they play.  Those whose positions rely more on agility (i.e. RBs) certainly seem to have more difficulty returning to "form" and need more time to get back to where they were....but they are still on the field in approx 6 months.

My contention is that Carson Palmer will likely be ready for next season (following 6 months of rehab).  I do not think that agility should be a large factor in his success in the pocket, and therefore I wouldn't hesitate to take him in a re-draft league. 

Hope this is helpful to those pondering the Palmer question moving forward into the 2006-07 season.

I am a physical therapist

this is a good post...but i requoted the therapist part because after the injury is rehabed, it takes another 12 months to get the mental part repaired. at least for RB's.....and i would think not too different for QB's. yes? no?

Pocket passers do not cut on their knee like a RB and it's not even Palmers back leg. The way he is talking about being ready by the begining of the season, sounds like he has the mental part already healed.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Bengals | Palmer could wind up on the PUP list

Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:50:57 -0800

Chick Ludwig, writing for the Sporting News, reports it appears it will be very difficult for Cincinnati Bengals QB Carson Palmer (knee) to be ready for the first game of the 2006 season. Palmer has two torn ligaments (ACL and MCL), a dislocated kneecap and cartilage damage in his left knee. Ludwig speculates Palmer could start the season on the PUP list meaning he would miss at least the first six regular season games.

 

[Family Matters]

Bengals | Palmer could wind up on the PUP list

Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:50:57 -0800

Chick Ludwig, writing for the Sporting News, reports it appears it will be very difficult for Cincinnati Bengals QB Carson Palmer (knee) to be ready for the first game of the 2006 season. Palmer has two torn ligaments (ACL and MCL), a dislocated kneecap and cartilage damage in his left knee. Ludwig speculates Palmer could start the season on the PUP list meaning he would miss at least the first six regular season games.

As have many others so take it for what it's worth.

 

[Bri]

Wow...should have looked back at this thread.  Was flipping through this morning, and was kinda surpised to see such harsh disagreement to my remarks.

In no way am I saying that a RB returns to "form" in 6 months on average.  This is a thread about a QB returning to the field of play by the beginning of next season.  I was merely saying that the average ACL rehab for an athlete is 6 months before they can return to full contact sport.  A return to sport does not necessitate a return to previous abilities, only that they can return and play without any additional risk.  By additional risk, I mean that (in football for instance) there is always a risk, even when their is no injury history.  When someone can return to sport, their body is ready to go, they then need to expand their own specific skillsets via practice and time spent on the field to return to the levels of performance prior to the injury.  Whether or not you believe that 6 months is a reasonable amount of time to rehab an ACL injury is entirely up to you.  However...

I am a physical therapist and I have anywhere between 3-5 ACL patients at any given time.  I did work on a 13 year old who injured her leg in October '04, surgery in November, and was playing soccer when the snow melted in the spring.  Was she as agile and as confident in her leg as she had been before?  Of course not, but she was playing and probably took another few months to gain the agility she once possessed prior to injury.  Her leg was fully healed, stronger than before her injury and she was ready to play.  This particular girl was discharged from therapy after 5 months and 1 week post-op.  The average patient at my facility is returning to previous levels of function after 6 months.  Laugh all you like, but it happens.  Here are some protocols that I found via Google.  I am not in favor of protocols personally as they are inflexible, but they provide an outline of the rehab schedule after surgery.

Example 1

Example 2

Example 3

"But you aren't working with professional athletes"

As far as athletes are concerned, you need to remember that rehab is their FT job.  They are not like the traditional weekend warrior who busts up their knee, but still has to put 50-60 hours of work weekly and sqeeze in rehab 2-3 times per week.  For people to compare their own experiences on this board with their own knees is applicable, but not effective.  The quality of surgeons, rehab personel, and the time that professional athletes are afforded to rehab their bodies is unparalleled.  The competitive athlete can make it back in 6 months. 

The difficulty in postulating how well they will perform on the field after rehab, because there are so many different factors that contribute to that players success.  These include confidence, psychology, work ethic, and especially the requirements of the position they play.  Those whose positions rely more on agility (i.e. RBs) certainly seem to have more difficulty returning to "form" and need more time to get back to where they were....but they are still on the field in approx 6 months.

My contention is that Carson Palmer will likely be ready for next season (following 6 months of rehab).  I do not think that agility should be a large factor in his success in the pocket, and therefore I wouldn't hesitate to take him in a re-draft league. 

Hope this is helpful to those pondering the Palmer question moving forward into the 2006-07 season.

I am a physical therapist

this is a good post...but i requoted the therapist part because after the injury is rehabed, it takes another 12 months to get the mental part repaired. at least for RB's.....and i would think not too different for QB's. yes? no?

so you're correcting a physical therapist on how long rehab takes?

 

[Baracuda]

I'm in my first year of med school and we just learned that, it is relatively common to tear your medial collateral ligament (MCL) when you tear your ACL. This occurs because this ligament is on the inside of your knee and is connected to the medial meniscus, the disc that cushions the femur and tibia connection. A blow to the lateral (outside) of the knee that is strong enough to tear the ACL will often cause a tear of the MCL off the medical meniscus. I've heard from physicians (who like to discuss this sort of thing) that Palmer's injury is not that different from any other of ACL injury. Basically, their thinking is that the ligament tore from the bone and it needed to be replaced as is the case with a lot of ACL tears. Who knows if Palmer will be ready for the start of the season but it seems likely that he'll come back in time to lead a lot of teams to playoff victory. Draft accordingly.