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Panic Mode! Who are you giving up on? (1 Viewer)

Tom Brady was thrown on the dumpster fire after 4 weeks last year. Turnaround can happen.
Absolutely. When you have a resume like Tom Brady you will have patience and confidence he can and will turn it around.

Mike Evans for me is a second year WR whom I think is a major stud.....but right now is not start worthy at all. I had him in my lineup this week with great hope he is ready to make two straight weeks of involvement and putting up numbers.

Fail.

I am not even close to cutting a guy like him.....I am sure he will come around....but I am very concerned about week to week consistency and I hate that when I take a guy in round 3.
I wasn't surprised to see Evans have a subpar outing week 4 due to having Josh Norman covering him.
People only check boxscores and not coverages, game flow, targets, etc. Norman has been fantastic and this is more on his good play then Evans' bad play.
Last year Evans and VJax were really even in targets (142 VJ vs 122 ME), receptions (70 VJ vs 68 ME), and yards (1051 ME vs 1002 VJ). Evans had 12 TDs to VJax' 2.

If you ascribe to the TDs are flukey theory, then you should have had these two ranked pretty much even coming into 2015... with Winston being a huge wildcard for both.
:confused: What about the rookie should improve theory? Or the 32 year old WR taking a small step back theory?

NOBODY in their right mind had Jackson within sniffing distance of Evans coming into the year, nor should they have.

I tend to think the early trends will reverse and Evans will be clearly ahead within a few weeks, but the early returns have certainly been disturbing. That doesn't mean we start using revisionist history.

 
Tom Brady was thrown on the dumpster fire after 4 weeks last year. Turnaround can happen.
Absolutely. When you have a resume like Tom Brady you will have patience and confidence he can and will turn it around. Mike Evans for me is a second year WR whom I think is a major stud.....but right now is not start worthy at all. I had him in my lineup this week with great hope he is ready to make two straight weeks of involvement and putting up numbers.

Fail.

I am not even close to cutting a guy like him.....I am sure he will come around....but I am very concerned about week to week consistency and I hate that when I take a guy in round 3.
I wasn't surprised to see Evans have a subpar outing week 4 due to having Josh Norman covering him.
People only check boxscores and not coverages, game flow, targets, etc. Norman has been fantastic and this is more on his good play then Evans' bad play.
Last year Evans and VJax were really even in targets (142 VJ vs 122 ME), receptions (70 VJ vs 68 ME), and yards (1051 ME vs 1002 VJ). Evans had 12 TDs to VJax' 2.

If you ascribe to the TDs are flukey theory, then you should have had these two ranked pretty much even coming into 2015... with Winston being a huge wildcard for both.
:confused: What about the rookie should improve theory? Or the 32 year old WR taking a small step back theory?NOBODY in their right mind had Jackson within sniffing distance of Evans coming into the year, nor should they have.

I tend to think the early trends will reverse and Evans will be clearly ahead within a few weeks, but the early returns have certainly been disturbing. That doesn't mean we start using revisionist history.
Seems like an odd time to be questioning my sanity. So far I've been right. :shrug:

 
I think it still falls on the QB..

Call it chemistry, or a lack of trust..

But the Stud QB needs to feed his Stud WR!

Evans stats were shameful..
(imho) Evans is the best WR in the NFL for Dynasty..

My appologys for "venting", but yeah I blame his QB/Coach..

The sooner Evans gets opportunity's to make plays on "Prime-time" type CB's.. The sooner Evans elevates to the next level..

Do I like his situation? Questionable Defense | Questionable running game | Rookie QB w/ a Defensive minded HC

Im not exactly thrilled No...

However Sell low???

fwiw I wouldnt even trade Evans for Bell.. I like Bell. However, I coulda drafted Bell, and took Patterson :X

I dont mind ya quoting me (I know some will laugh comparing Julio too anyone) But please dont put words in my mouth.. IF you think Im saying sell Evans?

I hope your talking too non -FBG guys, because I kinda hope were all gonna reap some Championships for awhile w/ Evans leading the charge..

 
Dropped CJ Anderson this morning. Felt great
I thought about it dropping him too.I own Hillman,which would have made it easier. But watch Anderson have his best game of the year Today,and turn things around. It's too early to give up on him IMO. He's been banged up! If he can't produce against Oakland,He's getting the boot! I've lost 2 close games because of Anderson. I hate giving up on guys after 4 weeks though.As someone mentioned,R White in 2013 and it has happened with many other players,that got off to a slow start,and then take off. It's not fun watching a guy you dropped produce on someone else's roster.

 
Can't get anything for Lamar Miller. Offered him for Gostkowski and got turned down.
The Lynch owner in my league also has Miller. I was considering offering Rawls for Miller, but then it dawned on me, i don't want Miller on my roster. I'd rather have a lottery ticket that has the chance to cash into a surefire every week starter. At this stage it's hard to think Miller will become that. He's already the starter for the Dolphins, and utterly unstartable for fantasy.
But maybe his narrative changes after the coaching change and bye week. I recently traded Abdullah for Miller. I would trade Rawls for him in a heartbeat, not that that is necessarily even an option for you.
I own Rawls and Abdullah in both of my leagues and I wouldn't trade either for Miller. That dumpster fire in Miami is just beginning.

 
Tom Brady was thrown on the dumpster fire after 4 weeks last year. Turnaround can happen.
Absolutely. When you have a resume like Tom Brady you will have patience and confidence he can and will turn it around.

Mike Evans for me is a second year WR whom I think is a major stud.....but right now is not start worthy at all. I had him in my lineup this week with great hope he is ready to make two straight weeks of involvement and putting up numbers.

Fail.

I am not even close to cutting a guy like him.....I am sure he will come around....but I am very concerned about week to week consistency and I hate that when I take a guy in round 3.
I wasn't surprised to see Evans have a subpar outing week 4 due to having Josh Norman covering him.
People only check boxscores and not coverages, game flow, targets, etc. Norman has been fantastic and this is more on his good play then Evans' bad play.
Last year Evans and VJax were really even in targets (142 VJ vs 122 ME), receptions (70 VJ vs 68 ME), and yards (1051 ME vs 1002 VJ). Evans had 12 TDs to VJax' 2.

If you ascribe to the TDs are flukey theory, then you should have had these two ranked pretty much even coming into 2015... with Winston being a huge wildcard for both.
:confused: What about the rookie should improve theory? Or the 32 year old WR taking a small step back theory?

NOBODY in their right mind had Jackson within sniffing distance of Evans coming into the year, nor should they have.

I tend to think the early trends will reverse and Evans will be clearly ahead within a few weeks, but the early returns have certainly been disturbing. That doesn't mean we start using revisionist history.
What part of history did he revise? The stats didn't change did they?

 
Devanta freeman is really pissing me off. I'm almost done with him. If he goes one more game without scoring 3 tds I'm dropping.

 
My dynasty team for 2015. Calvin has been herminated and Jimmy Graham has been totally neutralized by Seattle.

 
I want to give up on watkins
You should. You have been agonizing over Sammy and his situation all year. If you don't like him, get someone you like for him. Most of us who believe in his talent are fine to hold him into next year, at the very least. If the injury thing isn't a character trait, and when TT has some experience and if they put some draft energy into that OL ... the whole offense has good long term potential. They don't have to be Green Bay for a very talented guy to be a top 15 WR.
Was talking in my redraft obviously so holding him for next year doesn't work. This is beginning to look like a lost season for him. He needs to get healthy and produce like a top guy. I don't feel confident he will.

 
I want to give up on watkins
You should. You have been agonizing over Sammy and his situation all year. If you don't like him, get someone you like for him. Most of us who believe in his talent are fine to hold him into next year, at the very least. If the injury thing isn't a character trait, and when TT has some experience and if they put some draft energy into that OL ... the whole offense has good long term potential. They don't have to be Green Bay for a very talented guy to be a top 15 WR.
Was talking in my redraft obviously so holding him for next year doesn't work. This is beginning to look like a lost season for him. He needs to get healthy and produce like a top guy. I don't feel confident he will.
I cut bait on him already. I agonized over it. And I'm still not sure I made the right move. I'm actually embarrassed to say who I cut him for lol.

 
Talking strictly redraft here.

Mike Evans

Ameer Abdullah

Both huge disappointments for me. I will bench Mike (he is just not startable right now), but I am going to end up cutting Abdullah loose if something better comes along here. Just a huge let down on a team desperate for play makers other than Calvin (who has been neutered it seems).

 
Jimmy Graham for me. I still don't understand why Seattle would give up a 1st rounder for nothing more than a decoy. Not sure he's even a decoy anymore.

 
CJ Anderson is officially the next in line to get cut for me when I need to drop someone for a FA acquisition. If he can't do it vs OAK, he's toast for the year.

 
Jimmy Graham for me. I still don't understand why Seattle would give up a 1st rounder for nothing more than a decoy. Not sure he's even a decoy anymore.
i don't understand why they traded for him but hes not a decoy. It's their offenses which basically consists of wilson running for his life and wrs breaking their patterns off. Imo harder for a tight end to do that.
 
Okay, yeah. He's my 5th RB currently and the best free agent (assuming I miss out on West) is someone like Charles Sims or Khiry Robinson. But I kinda feel like I have no choice but to cut CJ Anderson. And then remind myself to stay away from the Broncos RB situation for a couple of years.

 
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Okay, yeah. He's my 5th RB currently and the best free agent (assuming I miss out on West) is someone like Charles Sims or Khiry Robinson. But I kinda feel like I have no choice but to cut CJ Anderson. And then remind myself to stay away from the Broncos RB situation for a couple of years.
Started this week over Lamar Miller on a bye (PPR)... Will remain in his place until further notice.

 
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Todem said:
Talking strictly redraft here.

Ameer Abdullah

Both huge disappointments for me. I will bench Mike (he is just not startable right now), but I am going to end up cutting Abdullah loose if something better comes along here. Just a huge let down on a team desperate for play makers other than Calvin (who has been neutered it seems).
Ameer for me. In a week, I need to free up a roster spot to cover my TE bye. And I'm eyeing Ameer. Even with Joke Bell out, he's shown nothing. Riddick kills his value by being their receiving back (the role I thought Ameer was going to have). Now Zenner is stealing touches. I know there are easier matchups on the horizon. But things are so muddled it's hard to see it mattering much. I'm hoping for a game with a fluke TD and maybe I can trade him for a bag of peanuts (or in my case, a backup TE).

What really eats at me is that I remember having the choice between getting him or Devonta Freeman on my team. And I chose him. Every week seeing Freeman with another 20+ point game is like a knife in my gut. I just know that bad decision will turn out to be the difference for my team's success this season.

 
Todem said:
Talking strictly redraft here.

Ameer Abdullah

Both huge disappointments for me. I will bench Mike (he is just not startable right now), but I am going to end up cutting Abdullah loose if something better comes along here. Just a huge let down on a team desperate for play makers other than Calvin (who has been neutered it seems).
Ameer for me. In a week, I need to free up a roster spot to cover my TE bye. And I'm eyeing Ameer. Even with Joke Bell out, he's shown nothing. Riddick kills his value by being their receiving back (the role I thought Ameer was going to have). Now Zenner is stealing touches. I know there are easier matchups on the horizon. But things are so muddled it's hard to see it mattering much. I'm hoping for a game with a fluke TD and maybe I can trade him for a bag of peanuts (or in my case, a backup TE).

What really eats at me is that I remember having the choice between getting him or Devonta Freeman on my team. And I chose him. Every week seeing Freeman with another 20+ point game is like a knife in my gut. I just know that bad decision will turn out to be the difference for my team's success this season.
With you on that. I luckily only have him in redraft/keeper, so I won't feel too bad about cutting him if someone worthwhile pops up on waivers. Thinking of West (KC) this week, even though that backfield may be just as muddled. Gut says West outplays Davis, though.

 
Pipes said:
Jimmy Graham for me. I still don't understand why Seattle would give up a 1st rounder for nothing more than a decoy. Not sure he's even a decoy anymore.
He's killing me. He was one of my 3 keepers in a keeper league, and now I'm not even sure I can trade him. Nobody wants him.

 
Pipes said:
Jimmy Graham for me. I still don't understand why Seattle would give up a 1st rounder for nothing more than a decoy. Not sure he's even a decoy anymore.
Not only a decoy but the move weakened their OL and they are a run first team. Someone over there failed miserably with this move.

He needs to do his best Percy Harvin imitation and get the hell off that team.

 
shadyridr said:
Pipes said:
Jimmy Graham for me. I still don't understand why Seattle would give up a 1st rounder for nothing more than a decoy. Not sure he's even a decoy anymore.
i don't understand why they traded for him but hes not a decoy. It's their offenses which basically consists of wilson running for his life and wrs breaking their patterns off. Imo harder for a tight end to do that.
No one knows why they made that trade and they screwed up so badly, they aren't explaining it either.

 
shadyridr said:
Pipes said:
Jimmy Graham for me. I still don't understand why Seattle would give up a 1st rounder for nothing more than a decoy. Not sure he's even a decoy anymore.
i don't understand why they traded for him but hes not a decoy. It's their offenses which basically consists of wilson running for his life and wrs breaking their patterns off. Imo harder for a tight end to do that.
No one knows why they made that trade and they screwed up so badly, they aren't explaining it either.
But have you seen his SPARQ score?

 
Players I SHOULD BE giving up on:

Ameer Abdullah

David Johnson

Duke Johnson Jr

CJ Spiller

Darren Sproles

Golden Tate

No idea how I'm in second place with these clowns.

 
Players I SHOULD BE giving up on:

Ameer Abdullah

David Johnson

Duke Johnson Jr

CJ Spiller

Darren Sproles

Golden Tate

No idea how I'm in second place with these clowns.
Emerging more and more each week. Strong hold.
yeah in PPR he is very playable,
Which of his remaining games would you recommend starting him?

  1. Denver
  2. @ St Louis
  3. Arizona
  4. @ Cincinnati
  5. @ Pittsburgh
  6. BYE
  7. Baltimore
  8. Cincinnati
  9. San Francisco
  10. @ Seattle
  11. @ Kansas City
  12. WEEK 17
He is trending in a positive direction the last two weeks, and he is serviceable in a PPR. I'll be using him as a bye week filler during the Blue weeks. Other than that I'll keep rolling out Forsett & Gurley.

I don't view him as an ascendent talent. He averages 3.03 YPC and loses 78% of the RZ touches to Crowell.

He has some wiggle when he's in space but no power; goes down easy on arm/shoulder tackles.

But he's earned a 50% share and if Isaiah gets dinged (and he might given his violent running style) he does offer limited upside.

 
Players I SHOULD BE giving up on:

Ameer Abdullah

David Johnson

Duke Johnson Jr

CJ Spiller

Darren Sproles

Golden Tate

No idea how I'm in second place with these clowns.
Certainly, the volume is not what we'd like but he's scored in 4 of his first 5 games (as a runner, receiver, and returner) and plays on a good team behind a fragile Ellington and castoff CJ0K. Not sure he belongs on a list of guys to give up on :unsure:
 
Talking strictly redraft here.

Ameer Abdullah

Both huge disappointments for me. I will bench Mike (he is just not startable right now), but I am going to end up cutting Abdullah loose if something better comes along here. Just a huge let down on a team desperate for play makers other than Calvin (who has been neutered it seems).
Ameer for me. In a week, I need to free up a roster spot to cover my TE bye. And I'm eyeing Ameer. Even with Joke Bell out, he's shown nothing. Riddick kills his value by being their receiving back (the role I thought Ameer was going to have). Now Zenner is stealing touches. I know there are easier matchups on the horizon. But things are so muddled it's hard to see it mattering much. I'm hoping for a game with a fluke TD and maybe I can trade him for a bag of peanuts (or in my case, a backup TE).

What really eats at me is that I remember having the choice between getting him or Devonta Freeman on my team. And I chose him. Every week seeing Freeman with another 20+ point game is like a knife in my gut. I just know that bad decision will turn out to be the difference for my team's success this season.
Same here ugh

Might drop Abdullah now

 
Players I SHOULD BE giving up on:

Ameer Abdullah

David Johnson

Duke Johnson Jr

CJ Spiller

Darren Sproles

Golden Tate

No idea how I'm in second place with these clowns.
Certainly, the volume is not what we'd like but he's scored in 4 of his first 5 games (as a runner, receiver, and returner) and plays on a good team behind a fragile Ellington and castoff CJ0K. Not sure he belongs on a list of guys to give up on :unsure:
Yeah, this is more like my "that didn't turn out like I had hoped" list rather than guys I'm giving up on. The three rookies all have upside and varying degrees of a timeshare. Tate is exactly who we thought he was.

But I probably will part with my two veteran pass catching RBs to cover byes since they're both part 3 of a RBBC situation. I suspect they'll still be on the wire in a few weeks if I want them back.

OTOH, if I drop AA or either DJ, my league mates would blow their budget to grab them.

:oldunsure:

Hmmm....

 
Melvin Gordon...or should I have already given up on him after last week?
He did have over 90 combined yards behind a horrible offensive line. I do agree the start of his career has been disappointed but he has too much talent to not be at least a decent back. Though in redraft I may be looking to move after his next decent game unless somehow SD can fix that offensive line.

 
Not there yet...but Jordan Matthews is trending towards the trash heap
Weirdest thing is he has his worst games when the Eagles offense does well. Early on he was playing poorly from a football perspective but putting up decent numbers. Lately he's been disappearing.

 

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