Panthers RBs (1 Viewer)

[T-BONE]

With a solid defense, a stud WR and a great line i am having a hard time to understand the low rankings on Foster and Deangelo.

Foster is the clear starter, and there's nothing that indicates a RBBC. So, I assume that the low rankings are due injure concerns...

My point is, if you draft Foster and Deangelo you can easily expect top 10 production.

Adding the staff projections for both Rbs we have: 1427 / 9 / 524 / 3. Ok, we have to consider that even without a RBBC they will share some carries, so let's discount 20% of it.

1142/7/419/2 still good...

I am targeting Foster and Deangelo in all of my drafts.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

My point is, if you draft Foster and Deangelo you can easily expect top 10 production.

I think a lot of people here would take issue with the word "easily". Is Foster really a top 10 RB against anyone other than Atlanta?How can you "easily" project a rookie RB as top 10 (assuming he even is the #2)?

 

[Gopher State]

I like the combo also, but only if I can get Foster in the 4th round, and I think he goes before that. Plus with Foster's injury history you better get Williams, and could get burned if you wait to long on him.

 

[Blackjacks]

I like the combo also, but only if I can get Foster in the 4th round, and I think he goes before that. Plus with Foster's injury history you better get Williams, and could get burned if you wait to long on him.

I have the Car. running game in a dynasty league and I like the combo very much but I think your overvalueing them alittle here. Foster has his times where he does look good but would you feel like your starting a top ten rb on Sun. morning if he was healthy and penciled into your lineup? I wouldn't, I do plan on starting him week one though. I think if you could guarantee you get both of them I'd put them maybe close to the 14-16 range.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

My question is if DeShaun was not in the picture and it was D.Williams from day 1...where would he be drafted in the most re-draft leagues? Anyone know?

 

[Todem]

D.Williams is far from a sure thing.

 

[Tau837]

I like the combo also, but only if I can get Foster in the 4th round, and I think he goes before that. Plus with Foster's injury history you better get Williams, and could get burned if you wait to long on him.

I think you'll have to take both of them high enough that it mitigates their value.

 

[Marc Levin]

our rankings are supposed to match up to EOY standings.

I think if you snag the Panthers running game (which I did in an expert league), you have a RB each week worthy of a fantasy start.

But, each RB may finish outside the top-20 RBs in EOY standings. Thus, our rankings.

 

[Boulder Toads]

Just as a data point to current value for these guys:

Pretty competitive 12-team league - start 1QB/2RB/3WR, no ppr, 6pts for all TDs & 1pt/10yds rush/rec, 1pt/25yds passing.

Today I snagged DeShaun Foster at 4.02 as my RB2, while Deangelo Williams went at 7.06 (I was hoping he'd fall to 7.11).

So, yes - Gopher State - I think it is possible to get Foster in the 4th round (albeit earlier). I'm working up a trade proposal with the Williams owner to try and get him on my side, as I'm also a bit fearful of Foster's durability. I think I can trade the RB I got at 7.11 to the Deangelo Williams owner straight up. To me, that would be decent value for locking up the CAR RB - 4.02 + 7.11 ...

Thoughts?

 

[David Yudkin]

Here are the Panthers team rankings in rushing . . .

2002: rushing yards 25th, rushing TD 22nd, ypc 31st

2003: rushing yards 7th, rushing TD 25th, ypc 17th

2004: rushing yards 28th, rushing TD 22nd, ypc 28th

2005: rushing yards 19th, rushing TD 8th, ypc 29th

Foster has 4 career rushing TD and a high of 205 carries in a season. Williams is a complete unknown. To matter-of-factly expect Top 10 production is FAR from a sure thing.

 

[cheeseypoof]

Just as a data point to current value for these guysretty competitive 12-team league - start 1QB/2RB/3WR, no ppr, 6pts for all TDs & 1pt/10yds rush/rec, 1pt/25yds passing.Today I snagged DeShaun Foster at 4.02 as my RB2, while Deangelo Williams went at 7.06 (I was hoping he'd fall to 7.11).So, yes - Gopher State - I think it is possible to get Foster in the 4th round (albeit earlier). I'm working up a trade proposal with the Williams owner to try and get him on my side, as I'm also a bit fearful of Foster's durability. I think I can trade the RB I got at 7.11 to the Deangelo Williams owner straight up. To me, that would be decent value for locking up the CAR RB - 4.02 + 7.11 ... Thoughts?

Here is another set of data points for the Foster/Williams discussion.Last week I drafted Foster at 6.07 (#57 overall) and D. Williams at 10.01 (#91 overall) in a 10-team redraft where you can start up to 3 runnings backs (start 1 with 2 flex). I expect to use them as my RB3 behind Alexander and Chester Taylor. We made major changes to our scoring and lineup rules beginning this season that allowed me to get Foster (+14) and Williams (+20) much later than their ADP at the time. We have a couple of guppies and a few sharks.

 

[Reagan]

Just as a data point to current value for these guysretty competitive 12-team league - start 1QB/2RB/3WR, no ppr, 6pts for all TDs & 1pt/10yds rush/rec, 1pt/25yds passing.Today I snagged DeShaun Foster at 4.02 as my RB2, while Deangelo Williams went at 7.06 (I was hoping he'd fall to 7.11).So, yes - Gopher State - I think it is possible to get Foster in the 4th round (albeit earlier). I'm working up a trade proposal with the Williams owner to try and get him on my side, as I'm also a bit fearful of Foster's durability. I think I can trade the RB I got at 7.11 to the Deangelo Williams owner straight up. To me, that would be decent value for locking up the CAR RB - 4.02 + 7.11 ... Thoughts?

Here is another set of data points for the Foster/Williams discussion.Last week I drafted Foster at 6.07 (#57 overall) and D. Williams at 10.01 (#91 overall) in a 10-team redraft where you can start up to 3 runnings backs (start 1 with 2 flex). I expect to use them as my RB3 behind Alexander and Chester Taylor. We made major changes to our scoring and lineup rules beginning this season that allowed me to get Foster (+14) and Williams (+20) much later than their ADP at the time. We have a couple of guppies and a few sharks.

Not bad at all. Most people won't be so lucky. Curious as to where you drafted Taylor. 4th round?

 

[Wheelhouse]

Last night's telecast of the preseason game against Buffalo featured a 5 minute snippet during halftime of just how good DeAngelo Williams was in college. In his own words - he is a combination of Ricky Williams and Barry Sanders. The crazy thing is, nobody is disputing that. His college coaches, teammates, game callers and other media folk are all drooling over the guy in this made for Panther-fans highlight reel of the guy.

In other words - people don't just think he'll be special, they KNOW he will. And thus the clock begins ticking on when DeAngelo will overtake DeShaun.

-I'm just sayin....

 

[cheeseypoof]

Just as a data point to current value for these guysretty competitive 12-team league - start 1QB/2RB/3WR, no ppr, 6pts for all TDs & 1pt/10yds rush/rec, 1pt/25yds passing.Today I snagged DeShaun Foster at 4.02 as my RB2, while Deangelo Williams went at 7.06 (I was hoping he'd fall to 7.11).So, yes - Gopher State - I think it is possible to get Foster in the 4th round (albeit earlier). I'm working up a trade proposal with the Williams owner to try and get him on my side, as I'm also a bit fearful of Foster's durability. I think I can trade the RB I got at 7.11 to the Deangelo Williams owner straight up. To me, that would be decent value for locking up the CAR RB - 4.02 + 7.11 ... Thoughts?

Here is another set of data points for the Foster/Williams discussion.Last week I drafted Foster at 6.07 (#57 overall) and D. Williams at 10.01 (#91 overall) in a 10-team redraft where you can start up to 3 runnings backs (start 1 with 2 flex). I expect to use them as my RB3 behind Alexander and Chester Taylor. We made major changes to our scoring and lineup rules beginning this season that allowed me to get Foster (+14) and Williams (+20) much later than their ADP at the time. We have a couple of guppies and a few sharks.

Not bad at all. Most people won't be so lucky. Curious as to where you drafted Taylor. 4th round?

Yup, I drafted C Taylor at 4.05 (#35 overall). I also got Tatum Bell (before all the Mike Bell hype) at 7.08 (#68 overall).I really like my rb depth this year (S Alexander/C Taylor/D Foster/T Bell/ D Williams/M Moore/M Morris).

 

[jdrogerson]

To me, Foster is the guy that runs between the 20's. That's why they had Steven Davis as their redzone guy. Although there is some talent with Foster, I like Williams' chances.

 

[Ten Yard Fight]

Just as a data point to current value for these guysretty competitive 12-team league - start 1QB/2RB/3WR, no ppr, 6pts for all TDs & 1pt/10yds rush/rec, 1pt/25yds passing.Today I snagged DeShaun Foster at 4.02 as my RB2, while Deangelo Williams went at 7.06 (I was hoping he'd fall to 7.11).So, yes - Gopher State - I think it is possible to get Foster in the 4th round (albeit earlier). I'm working up a trade proposal with the Williams owner to try and get him on my side, as I'm also a bit fearful of Foster's durability. I think I can trade the RB I got at 7.11 to the Deangelo Williams owner straight up. To me, that would be decent value for locking up the CAR RB - 4.02 + 7.11 ... Thoughts?

I'm just wondering why that guy would trade you straight up. He had the choice between your guy and Deangelo, and he picked Deangelo. Just today...

 

[Kleck.]

Combined, I do believe Foster and Williams are capable of top 10 fantasy numbers, but that is assuming Foster stays healthy, Williams performs better than expected, and as a fantasy owner you pick the right starter each week. Carolina's starting RB stats last year did not equal top 10 fantasy numbers, it did not even equal top 20 fantasy numbers.

Using nfl.com as who was the starter each week, and using FBG's fantasy numbers, this is how Carolina's starting RB did last year:

1 Davis 14.1 2 Foster 6.0 3 Davis 5.2 4 Davis 19.2 5 Davis 10.6 6 Davis 2.7 7 BYE 8 Davis 16.7 9 Davis 16.9 10 Davis 14.1 11 Davis 0.6 12 Davis 2.5 13 Davis 0.8 14 Foster 4.8 15 Foster 8.4 16 Foster 8.1 17 Foster 22.5 Total 153.2153.2 fantasy points would put the Carolina starter just ahead of Julius Jones at #21. #10 was Mike Anderson at 201 fantasy points. There were weeks where Davis started but Foster outscored him, and in week two Foster started but Davis had the better fantasy numbers. I do believe Carolina will have a better running game this year, but to achieve top ten fantasy numbers from Foster and Williams I don't believe will be as easy as some here may think. IMO, the best way for this to happen is for Foster to stay healthy, play to his top potential, and average 20 or more touches a game. That is just something that requires a little more faith than I am willing to put into this situation right now.

 

[Super King]

Eric Shelton

 

[MLBrandow]

I think a lot of people here would take issue with the word "easily". Is Foster really a top 10 RB against anyone other than Atlanta?

How can you "easily" project a rookie RB as top 10 (assuming he even is the #2)?

Here are the Panthers team rankings in rushing . . .

2002: rushing yards 25th, rushing TD 22nd, ypc 31st

2003: rushing yards 7th, rushing TD 25th, ypc 17th

2004: rushing yards 28th, rushing TD 22nd, ypc 28th

2005: rushing yards 19th, rushing TD 8th, ypc 29th

Foster has 4 career rushing TD and a high of 205 carries in a season. Williams is a complete unknown. To matter-of-factly expect Top 10 production is FAR from a sure thing.

excerpt from a thread last month (post edited for clarity)

CAR Starting Rushers (GS) -

2003: (14)Davis - 318/1444/159/8, (2)Foster - 43/132/36/1 = 361/1576/195/9

2004: (7)Goings - 182/691/215/6, (2)Foster - 51/225/54/2, (1)Hoover - 24/99/6/0 (2)Davis - 24/92/32/0 = 375/1107/307/8* (scaled to 16 games, only had 12 usable)

2005: (7)Foster - 130/600/117/3, (9)Davis - 160/487/41/12 = 290/1087/158/15

3yr avg: 328/1257/220/11

In 2003, with no RBBC split, 16 games gets you a 1500/10 guy. That makes RB9.

In 2004, with injuries out the wazoo, they still managed to pull off 1400 all purpose and 8 TDs. That would have made RB10 last year.

In 2005, you had a partial RBBC split between Davis/Foster, and it was because of durability/health concerns by the coaching staff, who lost both to injury last year. Even with that, the "leading" ball carrier each game managed 1200/15 split. That would have made RB9.

Davis got 8, 0, 12 TDs, Foster has a 0.5TD average for his career, so nowhere does this indicate that Foster will suddenly be a 13TD back.

Well, I agree, but what you can see from the above numbers is that CAR RB (whomever it is, those numbers are not combined, merely taken of the starter) averages 11TD per year. You'd find a hard bargain arguing that DeAngelo Williams won't be at least slightly more capable in finding the endzone than Foster/Davis/Hoover/Goings.

CAR has put up RB9-10 numbers for the past 3 seasons, despite rampant injuries. With Foster battling for his job, and an eager blue chip rookie in Williams looming, you can expect RB9-10 numbers as a floor from these two backs.

 

[Kleck.]

I think a lot of people here would take issue with the word "easily". Is Foster really a top 10 RB against anyone other than Atlanta?

How can you "easily" project a rookie RB as top 10 (assuming he even is the #2)?

Here are the Panthers team rankings in rushing . . .

2002: rushing yards 25th, rushing TD 22nd, ypc 31st

2003: rushing yards 7th, rushing TD 25th, ypc 17th

2004: rushing yards 28th, rushing TD 22nd, ypc 28th

2005: rushing yards 19th, rushing TD 8th, ypc 29th

Foster has 4 career rushing TD and a high of 205 carries in a season. Williams is a complete unknown. To matter-of-factly expect Top 10 production is FAR from a sure thing.

excerpt from a thread last month (post edited for clarity)

CAR Starting Rushers (GS) -

2003: (14)Davis - 318/1444/159/8, (2)Foster - 43/132/36/1 = 361/1576/195/9

2004: (7)Goings - 182/691/215/6, (2)Foster - 51/225/54/2, (1)Hoover - 24/99/6/0 (2)Davis - 24/92/32/0 = 375/1107/307/8* (scaled to 16 games, only had 12 usable)

2005: (7)Foster - 130/600/117/3, (9)Davis - 160/487/41/12 = 290/1087/158/15

3yr avg: 328/1257/220/11

In 2003, with no RBBC split, 16 games gets you a 1500/10 guy. That makes RB9.

In 2004, with injuries out the wazoo, they still managed to pull off 1400 all purpose and 8 TDs. That would have made RB10 last year.

In 2005, you had a partial RBBC split between Davis/Foster, and it was because of durability/health concerns by the coaching staff, who lost both to injury last year. Even with that, the "leading" ball carrier each game managed 1200/15 split. That would have made RB9.

Davis got 8, 0, 12 TDs, Foster has a 0.5TD average for his career, so nowhere does this indicate that Foster will suddenly be a 13TD back.

Well, I agree, but what you can see from the above numbers is that CAR RB (whomever it is, those numbers are not combined, merely taken of the starter) averages 11TD per year. You'd find a hard bargain arguing that DeAngelo Williams won't be at least slightly more capable in finding the endzone than Foster/Davis/Hoover/Goings.

CAR has put up RB9-10 numbers for the past 3 seasons, despite rampant injuries. With Foster battling for his job, and an eager blue chip rookie in Williams looming, you can expect RB9-10 numbers as a floor from these two backs.

Where and how are you getting your "top 10 numbers" for Carolina last year? Mine listed above come no where close to being top 10.

 

[MLBrandow]

Where and how are you getting your "top 10 numbers" for Carolina last year? Mine came no where close to top 10.

I would presume it is because you took the starter and I took the leader. Due to all of the injuries over the past 3 seasons (want to say like 8 IIRC), using the starter when he goes down 2 minutes in, or when he doesn't actually play #1RB skews your stats.If you want to know what CAR RB produces, you should use the guy that plays most each game IMO, not the one listed as the starter who carries the ball twice.Individually, neither of these guys is top-10 RB, and CAR has never had a top-10 RB. But CAR RB is a statistical lock for top-10 RB.Just like whomever JD's #1 WR is is a lock for elite WR production, so is CAR RB under Fox.I didn't include '02 because the first year is always a mulligan.However, I suspect if you do run those numbers you would find better numbers than you anticipate.

 

[Tau837]

I think a lot of people here would take issue with the word "easily". Is Foster really a top 10 RB against anyone other than Atlanta?

How can you "easily" project a rookie RB as top 10 (assuming he even is the #2)?

Here are the Panthers team rankings in rushing . . .

2002: rushing yards 25th, rushing TD 22nd, ypc 31st

2003: rushing yards 7th, rushing TD 25th, ypc 17th

2004: rushing yards 28th, rushing TD 22nd, ypc 28th

2005: rushing yards 19th, rushing TD 8th, ypc 29th

Foster has 4 career rushing TD and a high of 205 carries in a season. Williams is a complete unknown. To matter-of-factly expect Top 10 production is FAR from a sure thing.

excerpt from a thread last month (post edited for clarity)

CAR Starting Rushers (GS) -

2003: (14)Davis - 318/1444/159/8, (2)Foster - 43/132/36/1 = 361/1576/195/9

2004: (7)Goings - 182/691/215/6, (2)Foster - 51/225/54/2, (1)Hoover - 24/99/6/0 (2)Davis - 24/92/32/0 = 375/1107/307/8* (scaled to 16 games, only had 12 usable)

2005: (7)Foster - 130/600/117/3, (9)Davis - 160/487/41/12 = 290/1087/158/15

3yr avg: 328/1257/220/11

In 2003, with no RBBC split, 16 games gets you a 1500/10 guy. That makes RB9.

In 2004, with injuries out the wazoo, they still managed to pull off 1400 all purpose and 8 TDs. That would have made RB10 last year.

In 2005, you had a partial RBBC split between Davis/Foster, and it was because of durability/health concerns by the coaching staff, who lost both to injury last year. Even with that, the "leading" ball carrier each game managed 1200/15 split. That would have made RB9.

Davis got 8, 0, 12 TDs, Foster has a 0.5TD average for his career, so nowhere does this indicate that Foster will suddenly be a 13TD back.

Well, I agree, but what you can see from the above numbers is that CAR RB (whomever it is, those numbers are not combined, merely taken of the starter) averages 11TD per year. You'd find a hard bargain arguing that DeAngelo Williams won't be at least slightly more capable in finding the endzone than Foster/Davis/Hoover/Goings.

CAR has put up RB9-10 numbers for the past 3 seasons, despite rampant injuries. With Foster battling for his job, and an eager blue chip rookie in Williams looming, you can expect RB9-10 numbers as a floor from these two backs.

Where and how are you getting your "top 10 numbers" for Carolina last year? Mine listed above come no where close to being top 10.

I'm not sure about his numbers, but I used the Data Dominator and found this: From 2003 to 2005, Carolina is 13th in RB fantasy points. Drop 2003 and look at just 2004 & 2005, and again Carolina is 13th in RB fantasy points. Look just at 2005, and they were 11th.However, the problem with Carolina over that span is that they have had a large number of RBs contributing to those totals. So the sum has been greater than the fantasy parts, if you will.

 

[Kleck.]

Where and how are you getting your "top 10 numbers" for Carolina last year? Mine came no where close to top 10.

I would presume it is because you took the starter and I took the leader. Due to all of the injuries over the past 3 seasons (want to say like 8 IIRC), using the starter when he goes down 2 minutes in, or when he doesn't actually play #1RB skews your stats.If you want to know what CAR RB produces, you should use the guy that plays most each game IMO, not the one listed as the starter who carries the ball twice.Individually, neither of these guys is top-10 RB, and CAR has never had a top-10 RB. But CAR RB is a statistical lock for top-10 RB.Just like whomever JD's #1 WR is is a lock for elite WR production, so is CAR RB under Fox.I didn't include '02 because the first year is always a mulligan.However, I suspect if you do run those numbers you would find better numbers than you anticipate.

With drafting both Foster and Williams, for you to get those top 10 numbers you have to pick the right guy to play each week. Most owners will go with the one the team names the starter for that week. Drafting them both and just assuming you will pick the right fantasy starter each week (which you may have to go against who is actually named the starter) is far more skewed, IMO. It's far easier to look back and see top 10 fantasy numbers using the highest scorer from a combination of Carolina RBs than it is to look forward and predict the right RB to produce the best fantasy numbers for that each week.

 

[Couch Potato]

Eric Shelton

Yes, he's a player on the Panthers.Do you have a point or do you just like typing the name?

 

[Tau837]

Where and how are you getting your "top 10 numbers" for Carolina last year? Mine came no where close to top 10.

I would presume it is because you took the starter and I took the leader. Due to all of the injuries over the past 3 seasons (want to say like 8 IIRC), using the starter when he goes down 2 minutes in, or when he doesn't actually play #1RB skews your stats.If you want to know what CAR RB produces, you should use the guy that plays most each game IMO, not the one listed as the starter who carries the ball twice.Individually, neither of these guys is top-10 RB, and CAR has never had a top-10 RB. But CAR RB is a statistical lock for top-10 RB.Just like whomever JD's #1 WR is is a lock for elite WR production, so is CAR RB under Fox.I didn't include '02 because the first year is always a mulligan.However, I suspect if you do run those numbers you would find better numbers than you anticipate.

With drafting both Foster and Williams, for you to get those top 10 numbers you have to pick the right guy to play each week. Most owners will go with the one the team names the starter for that week. Drafting them both and just assuming you will pick the right fantasy starter each week (which you may have to go against who is actually named the starter) is far more skewed, IMO. It's far easier to look back and see top 10 fantasy numbers using the highest scorer from a combination of Carolina RBs than it is to look forward and predict the right RB to produce the best fantasy numbers for that each week.

This is a point that Brandow is trying to gloss over. The only way the combo will truly work for a fantasy owner is if Foster stays healthy and gets the majority of the touches, or if he gets definitively hurt and Williams steps in to get the majority of the touches. Any form of RBBC, nagging injuries, and/or a shaky rookie performance by Williams kills the value of this combo.

 

[Kleck.]

Where and how are you getting your "top 10 numbers" for Carolina last year? Mine came no where close to top 10.

I would presume it is because you took the starter and I took the leader. Due to all of the injuries over the past 3 seasons (want to say like 8 IIRC), using the starter when he goes down 2 minutes in, or when he doesn't actually play #1RB skews your stats.If you want to know what CAR RB produces, you should use the guy that plays most each game IMO, not the one listed as the starter who carries the ball twice.Individually, neither of these guys is top-10 RB, and CAR has never had a top-10 RB. But CAR RB is a statistical lock for top-10 RB.Just like whomever JD's #1 WR is is a lock for elite WR production, so is CAR RB under Fox.I didn't include '02 because the first year is always a mulligan.However, I suspect if you do run those numbers you would find better numbers than you anticipate.

With drafting both Foster and Williams, for you to get those top 10 numbers you have to pick the right guy to play each week. Most owners will go with the one the team names the starter for that week. Drafting them both and just assuming you will pick the right fantasy starter each week (which you may have to go against who is actually named the starter) is far more skewed, IMO. It's far easier to look back and see top 10 fantasy numbers using the highest scorer from a combination of Carolina RBs than it is to look forward and predict the right RB to produce the best fantasy numbers for that each week.

This is a point that Brandow is trying to gloss over. The only way the combo will truly work for a fantasy owner is if Foster stays healthy and gets the majority of the touches, or if he gets definitively hurt and Williams steps in to get the majority of the touches. Any form of RBBC, nagging injuries, and/or a shaky rookie performance by Williams kills the value of this combo.

Exactly

 

[Couch Potato]

It's far easier to look back and see top 10 fantasy numbers using the highest scorer from a combination of Carolina RBs than it is to look forward and predict the right RB to produce the best fantasy numbers for that each week.

Not only that, after using hindsight to count the highest producer in each of the 16 games and conclude that "Carolina RB" is top-10, the same has not been done for the rest of the 31 NFL teams. That's a misleading use of statistics he's showing us.

 

[Kleck.]

It's far easier to look back and see top 10 fantasy numbers using the highest scorer from a combination of Carolina RBs than it is to look forward and predict the right RB to produce the best fantasy numbers for that each week.

Not only that, after using hindsight to count the highest producer in each of the 16 games and concluded that "Carolina RB" is top-10, the same has not been done for the rest of the 31 NFL teams. That's a misleading use of statistics he's showing us.

Great point Bruce.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

DeAngelo Williams >>> DeShaun Foster

 

[Down Under]

Doesn't anyone think there is a decent chance of RBBC? If Williams is really that good, I don't see how they can keep him off the field, but I don't see them completely shoving Foster aside either, assuming he is healthy.

 

[BassNBrew]

DeAngelo Williams >>> DeShaun Foster

Did you watch the game or did you have the tape of game 7 playing?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

QB Jake Delhomme predicts that RB DeShaun Foster is going to have a big year for the Carolina Panthers. "I would love to see DeShaun have a big year. I really think he can. I’ve been saying it all camp, and that’s not just hoping. I think DeShaun can have a big, big year.” Foster ran for 879 yards last season, the third-highest single-season total in team history.

 

[Frank Black]

With a solid defense, a stud WR and a great line i am having a hard time to understand the low rankings on Foster and Deangelo.

Foster is the clear starter, and there's nothing that indicates a RBBC. So, I assume that the low rankings are due injure concerns...

My point is, if you draft Foster and Deangelo you can easily expect top 10 production.

Adding the staff projections for both Rbs we have: 1427 / 9 / 524 / 3. Ok, we have to consider that even without a RBBC they will share some carries, so let's discount 20% of it.

1142/7/419/2 still good...

I am targeting Foster and Deangelo in all of my drafts.

It's nice to see that the staff is being realistic. Foster is too injury prone, and the running game is too subject to RBBC. The staff is backing off the more idealistic rankings that place talent and overall offense over the reality of how many games a player will actually play.

 

[duaneok66]

Eric Shelton

If Shelton makes the team, then that would be an accomplishment . . .

 

[meanjoegreen]

It's nice to see that the staff is being realistic. Foster is too injury prone, and the running game is too subject to RBBC. The staff is backing off the more idealistic rankings that place talent and overall offense over the reality of how many games a player will actually play.

If Foster does manage to stay healthy, he will be .

 

[my man otis]

It's nice to see that the staff is being realistic. Foster is too injury prone, and the running game is too subject to RBBC. The staff is backing off the more idealistic rankings that place talent and overall offense over the reality of how many games a player will actually play.

If Foster does manage to stay healthy, he will be .

i'm thinking that foster is a good player to target if you don't to RB RB in the first 2 rounds of your draft. you may have to reach a bit for williams in the 7th or so, but i agree with the original post that he'll be solid.

 

[Frank Black]

It's nice to see that the staff is being realistic. Foster is too injury prone, and the running game is too subject to RBBC. The staff is backing off the more idealistic rankings that place talent and overall offense over the reality of how many games a player will actually play.

If Foster does manage to stay healthy, he will be .

Yes, well, if Kurt Warner could stay healthy, Warner could be gold, but it takes the staff, like most of us, a varying degree of time to come to these injury-related conclusions with some players. I think it's a gutsy call by the staff, and the correct call. I'm not hating on Foster. As a homer, I wish him the very best!

 

[Boulder Toads]

Just as a data point to current value for these guysretty competitive 12-team league - start 1QB/2RB/3WR, no ppr, 6pts for all TDs & 1pt/10yds rush/rec, 1pt/25yds passing.Today I snagged DeShaun Foster at 4.02 as my RB2, while Deangelo Williams went at 7.06 (I was hoping he'd fall to 7.11).So, yes - Gopher State - I think it is possible to get Foster in the 4th round (albeit earlier). I'm working up a trade proposal with the Williams owner to try and get him on my side, as I'm also a bit fearful of Foster's durability. I think I can trade the RB I got at 7.11 to the Deangelo Williams owner straight up. To me, that would be decent value for locking up the CAR RB - 4.02 + 7.11 ... Thoughts?

I'm just wondering why that guy would trade you straight up. He had the choice between your guy and Deangelo, and he picked Deangelo. Just today...

Hey Ten-Yard - I must have passed over your question.The player I picked up at 7.11 was Thomas Jones. The reason I think I could trade him straight up to the guy that snagged D-Williams is that he drafted Ced Benson (at 4.06). Trading these 2 would give us both what we're after - a hold on each prospective RB situation. He's also a Chicago homer, so that might help a bit. If it doesn't fly, I also have his other handcuff - Chris Perry for his Rudi Johnson, so I could also envision a 2 for 2 trade involving backup RBs on both sides.I can see your point though ... why didn't he just take Thomas Jones instead of Williams. I dunno ... maybe he hates TJ & I'll be stuck with him ... After I saw him take D-Williams (5 picks before I was targetting him), I decided to take a.) a player I feel equally confident in (D-Will vs. TJones) who will b.) also have value to the eyes of the guy that snagged my handcuff. I hadn't been in that situation before...we'll see how it works out.TOADS

 

[walkwithme]

I like the Panthers RB's I actually was able to scoop Foster in the 5th so I am pretty happy with that but I wasn't able to grab D. Williams as well he was picked in the 10th. The panthers offensive was 52% pass/48% run so even though they were not effective as being a top 10 they still ran about 30 times a game for a 3.5ypr. I think this year the defense creates a shorter field for them but there will be more rushing yards total. Balanced WR field with the Keyshawn addition along with Keary Colbert and Drew Carter. Hopefully this results in more Foster goaline opps.

 

[mr blond]

Where would Foster and Williams present value as a stand alone player, assuming you could not handcuff them to each other? Would you stay away all together?

I'd like to avoid drafting a RB combo a couple of picks apart. Using a 4th round pick on Foster seems risky to me unless I'm willing to spend a 6-7th on Williams. But, If I could get Foster in X round as a RB 3 that may present enough value for me to bypass Williams all together. I'm trying to determine what "X" round is.

 

[Bri]

I feel like some people forget about the evil word "questionable" in the summer. Some of the above starting lineup/depth theories only work if you know Foster is sitting and DeAngelo is starting. That's a headache I feel I'm likely to have at some point during the year but I'd rather not draft and plan on a headache

 

[my man otis]

Where would Foster and Williams present value as a stand alone player, assuming you could not handcuff them to each other? Would you stay away all together?I'd like to avoid drafting a RB combo a couple of picks apart. Using a 4th round pick on Foster seems risky to me unless I'm willing to spend a 6-7th on Williams. But, If I could get Foster in X round as a RB 3 that may present enough value for me to bypass Williams all together. I'm trying to determine what "X" round is.

I think Williams is the guy that's not the value. getting a backup RB in the 6th isn't great at all which is about where he's going, at least per antsports.Getting Foster in the 4th and not grabbing Williams unless he falls to the 9th or so may be the best play, but someone will take him before hand.

 

[mr blond]

Where would Foster and Williams present value as a stand alone player, assuming you could not handcuff them to each other? Would you stay away all together?I'd like to avoid drafting a RB combo a couple of picks apart. Using a 4th round pick on Foster seems risky to me unless I'm willing to spend a 6-7th on Williams. But, If I could get Foster in X round as a RB 3 that may present enough value for me to bypass Williams all together. I'm trying to determine what "X" round is.

I think Williams is the guy that's not the value. getting a backup RB in the 6th isn't great at all which is about where he's going, at least per antsports.Getting Foster in the 4th and not grabbing Williams unless he falls to the 9th or so may be the best play, but someone will take him before hand.

Do you think it is too risky then to grab Foster in the 4th then?

 

[North]

I think the "Eric Shelton" post was meant to infer that this is the guy who will be getting the Davis goal line TD's this year if he stays healthy, which could hurt Foster/Williams value. Shelton was drafted last year b/c they liked his power and speed, a prototypical goal line back. Look for this guy to get the goal line shots if he stays healthy through training camp.

 

[Buckychudd]

I think the "Eric Shelton" post was meant to infer that this is the guy who will be getting the Davis goal line TD's this year if he stays healthy, which could hurt Foster/Williams value. Shelton was drafted last year b/c they liked his power and speed, a prototypical goal line back. Look for this guy to get the goal line shots if he stays healthy through training camp.

Shelton is going to be lucky if he's not cut. He is not going to be a goal line back.

 

[my man otis]

Where would Foster and Williams present value as a stand alone player, assuming you could not handcuff them to each other? Would you stay away all together?I'd like to avoid drafting a RB combo a couple of picks apart. Using a 4th round pick on Foster seems risky to me unless I'm willing to spend a 6-7th on Williams. But, If I could get Foster in X round as a RB 3 that may present enough value for me to bypass Williams all together. I'm trying to determine what "X" round is.

I think Williams is the guy that's not the value. getting a backup RB in the 6th isn't great at all which is about where he's going, at least per antsports.Getting Foster in the 4th and not grabbing Williams unless he falls to the 9th or so may be the best play, but someone will take him before hand.

Do you think it is too risky then to grab Foster in the 4th then?

not at all actually. i'm pretty high on him this year after his good finish in 05.getting foster in the 4th means you probably have 1 top RB and either 2 top WRs or 1 top WR and Manning in the first three rounds, so starting off with something like Jackson, Holt, Ward and Foster in the first four is pretty good IMO.if you don't like foster this year then it's all moot though.

 

[Bartguy]

Of course there is some uncertainty about who will get the bulk of the carries each week with any two-back combo backfield. I like this one, though, because I don't see DeShaun being the kind of warrior who plays through a nagging injury to stay in the lineup. Does anybody think he can be like LT2, playing through broken ribs for weeks on end? I think the consensus is he's the clear starter until he gets hurt and is out of the lineup, giving Williams the bulk of the carries.

Is there a risk involved there? Sure. Dealing with the uncertainty of which guy to start is what you pay for getting a good running game later than the first 2-3 rounds.

The question is the potential reward worth the risk? I'd say so.

 

[simey]

I like this one, though, because I don't see DeShaun being the kind of warrior who plays through a nagging injury to stay in the lineup. Does anybody think he can be like LT2, playing through broken ribs for weeks on end? I think the consensus is he's the clear starter until he gets hurt and is out of the lineup, giving Williams the bulk of the carries.

DeShaun played through turf toe at the end of last season on through the playoffs. He got turf toe in week 16, and he still had a bad case of it against the Falcons in Week 17, and against the Giants in the playoffs, both games he ran wild in, and then his ankle broke in the Bears playoff game. DeShaun isn't a wus.