Panthers WR Steve Smith injured (1 Viewer)

[Ducegonads]

hate to see how you guys would react to something serious.

If you've had any experience with fantasy football at all, you would know that hamstring injuries suffered in training camp are serious business.

Agreed. Seems to happen to rookie WR's early in their first camp. Which in turn usually hurts them for most if not all of that season. Short of SS quickly returning to the field I would say there should be concern for this vet for a good part of 06.

Who has the biggest rep as a hammi guy?

Bruce / Stallworth?

 

[Kiddnets]

Hope this gets lots of play in the news before my draft - would love for his price tag to drop to a lower level!!! If the price is right - I'm in - hammy or not - his price was way too high anyway - I'll call this a mild correction!

 

[Marc Levin]

This is excellent news. I hope it is bad.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but we generally would like opinions based in fact for posts in the Shark Pool.Exactly WHY is the loss of a consensus top-3 fantasy receiver "excellent" news?

And it is beyond classless (and distinctly frowned upon in the Shark Pool) to wish bad things on NFL players.

Why make such a big deal about what he said? Who really cares what he hopes? It wont affect me in the slightest and the "football gods" dont give 2 craps neither. Just ignore the post.

Thank you for your concern about my concern, shadyridr. However, I have my reasons for wanting that individual to defend his post.

 

[skillz]

My concern stems from the fact that the hammy was already hurting him back in June. When he finally returns to practice he strains it during the first practice.

Here is a link showing the issues with the hammy since June.

http://www.rtsports.com/php/draft-guide-player.php?PN=7915

So, now the questions are: Will the problem persist after he returns in 2-3 weeks?

Will the Panthers keep him out of pre-season games so he is ready for the regular season?

If the Panthers hold him out of pre-season games, there will remain serious questions about how durable the hammy will throughout the year. Even if tries to play through any future problems with the hammy, the injury will certainly limit his speed which is what makes Smith such a dangerous receiver.

 

[shadyridr]

This is excellent news. I hope it is bad.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but we generally would like opinions based in fact for posts in the Shark Pool.Exactly WHY is the loss of a consensus top-3 fantasy receiver "excellent" news?

And it is beyond classless (and distinctly frowned upon in the Shark Pool) to wish bad things on NFL players.

Why make such a big deal about what he said? Who really cares what he hopes? It wont affect me in the slightest and the "football gods" dont give 2 craps neither. Just ignore the post.

Thank you for your concern about my concern, shadyridr. However, I have my reasons for wanting that individual to defend his post.

Actually I didnt mean to signal you out. I was basically talking to everyon who got mad at that guy's post and Ive seen it in other threads as well. Just like his post adds no value to the discussion, complaining about his post also adds no value. And acknowledging it just makes things worse. Sorry about my rant.

 

[Marc Levin]

no prob.

just keep in mind that we *do* have reasons for asking people to defend their posts in the Pool when they seem to be fishing.

if they are not defensible positions - and are just for fishing/pissing people off purposes - we can feel free to prune them out of the thread.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Owens is going to be the 1st WR off the board in a lot of drafts now.

 

[ookook]

Owens is going to be the 1st WR off the board in a lot of drafts now.

But perhaps Holt should be....

 

[Marc Levin]

or CJohn.

or Fitz.

or Moss.

IMO, it was always a hodgepodge at top. SS seemed to have garnered the most ADP numbers for #1WR.

 

[nightshift]

So much for working a SSmith for a 2nd RB trade now!

Yep. Might as well cut him to waivers..

 

[BlackHole]

or CJohn.

or Fitz.

or Moss.

IMO, it was always a hodgepodge at top.  SS seemed to have garnered the most ADP numbers for #1WR.

CJohn - Palmer injury question ??? Personally I think Palmer will be fine, especially with their in your face run offense to back up his play action passes.Fitz- Love him. own him in several keeper leagues, but I think his ceiling THIS year is last years numbers. If Boldin goes out again for a few games, then kick him up a notch. Otherwise, some of his TD's go away in the RedZone with Edge. Overpriced in redrafts. Dyanasty/keepre gold.

Moss - Stays healthy and he is the SOD. Seriously, not to be a homer ( I didn't want him or have him on 1 team last year), but he is top 5 if he plays 14 games healthy without question IMHO, top 2 if all 16 games played.

SS - Own him in a couple keeper/dyanasty league. I don't think I'll be dropping him down in value in trade discussions with this news. A mid 2nd tier RB is not enough to get him from me. Of course both league are PPR, so that makes a difference.

Basically, SS had been overlooked his first two good years (good value is what I mean by this) and now he is on everyones hot list. Hammy be damned I'm not trading him, and please let him fall to the late 2nd round of my re-drafts.

 

[Marc Levin]

Questions exist on EVERY top-WR this year (unlike previous years) - therefore, my hodgepodge outlook at the top of the WR foodchain.

 

[turkishkamel]

I agree..Hamstrings are serious business.

I believe it was two years ago (maybe three) that Urlacher screwed up his hammy in training camp, and kept trying to come back, and come back, and come back, and he would always think that he was ready and he never was. It was almost a waste of a season.

 

[BlackHole]

Questions exist on EVERY top-WR this year (unlike previous years) - therefore, my hodgepodge outlook at the top of the WR foodchain.

You are correct. In this assessment, does this not make Holt the top guy/safest bet to get in round 2? Or if Harrison falls to late 2nd early 3rd (very likely acording to ADP) an absolute steal? Moss mid 2nd early 3rd great value. Owens same type of situation. hodgpodge might = serious value at WR this year.

 

[tehzig]

Questions exist on EVERY top-WR this year (unlike previous years) - therefore, my hodgepodge outlook at the top of the WR foodchain.

You are correct. In this assessment, does this not make Holt the top guy/safest bet to get in round 2? Or if Harrison falls to late 2nd early 3rd (very likely acording to ADP) an absolute steal? Moss mid 2nd early 3rd great value. Owens same type of situation. hodgpodge might = serious value at WR this year.

I'm with ya. People unsure of who to take first is going to leave quite a few legit options in the 2nd round. Steve Smith was probably going to go first in 80%of drafts in terms of WRs. This will change the landscape pretty well.

 

[Highway Robbery]

Been touting Drew all off season. Getting three weeks worth of reps with the first team will do nothing but speed the process of his developement along.

I love Drew too, not sure why no one else is pimping him in light of this news. 4.3 speed doesn't grow on trees.

 

[bbuster]

hate to see how you guys would react to something serious.

If you've had any experience with fantasy football at all, you would know that hamstring injuries suffered in training camp are serious business.

Agreed. Seems to happen to rookie WR's early in their first camp. Which in turn usually hurts them for most if not all of that season. Short of SS quickly returning to the field I would say there should be concern for this vet for a good part of 06.

Who has the biggest rep as a hammi guy?

Bruce / Stallworth?

Definitely agree that hammy injuries tend to linger. Didn't R. Moss go down with one a couple of years ago? I remember him being used basically as a decoy for most of the season. There are obviously different levels of severity, but I wouldn't expect the Panthers to come out and say that it was serious even if it was.I don't have him and really didn't intend to target him unless his value was good(not likely), but it is completely classless to wish pain/injury on anyone.

Not cool.

 

[DropKick]

This is excellent news. I hope it is bad.

Bad jOO jOO. The football gawds will remember you.Let this circulate a bit then send trade offers for Steve Smith.

Yes they will. Have a great losing season jerk.

Patrick! Aren't you Holden's brother?

 

[simey]

Definitely agree that hammy injuries tend to linger. Didn't R. Moss go down with one a couple of years ago? I remember him being used basically as a decoy for most of the season. There are obviously different levels of severity, but I wouldn't expect the Panthers to come out and say that it was serious even if it was.

i think Moss's was torn.

 

[patrickmcgroin]

This is excellent news. I hope it is bad.

Bad jOO jOO. The football gawds will remember you.Let this circulate a bit then send trade offers for Steve Smith.

Yes they will. Have a great losing season jerk.

Patrick! Aren't you Holden's brother?

I am his Big brother.

 

[simey]

Fox: Doctor's report on Smith encouraging

SPARTANBURG – Carolina Panthers coach John Fox isn’t predicting when injured wide receiver Steve Smith will return to preseason practices, but is encouraged by the team doctors’ report.

Smith suffered a strained left hamstring in Saturday afternoon’s practice, the team’s second workout of training camp. He re-injured the same hamstring that bothered him during June coaching sessions.

Fox said Smith would be listed day-to-day. But the team will be extra cautious and it won’t be surprising if it’s a few weeks before Smith returns.

"We’ll get him out here when he’s healthy," Fox said after Sunday morning’s practice at Wofford. "You take it as slow as need be to heal."

Fox recalled that Smith had a similar injury during the 2003 training camp.

Asked if he was scared by the sight of his all-pro receiver getting hurt on the opening day of camp, Fox said:

"I’ve seen scarier ones. It’s always troublesome when you see a player go down. I (felt) fairly comfortable that I knew what it was. Sometimes that’s not the case. But until you get the MRI or testing done with the medical people, you’re a little bit cautious, but it ended up being good news."

Here is more stuff on it from the panthers website. the quote above came from the charlotte news and observer.

 

[Marc Levin]

Questions exist on EVERY top-WR this year (unlike previous years) - therefore, my hodgepodge outlook at the top of the WR foodchain.

In this assessment, does this not make Holt the top guy/safest bet to get in round 2?

Safest Bet? Yes.Top Guy? NO.

Holt is a virtual lock for 100/1400/8 or 9 TDs - and a top-8 WR ranking. HOWEVER, even Harrison has a much higher CEILING than Holt in terms of yardage and TDs.

All of CJohn, SS, Owens, Moss and Harrison are more likely to get the same or more yardage plus 4 to 6 additional TDs, which would launch them into the top-3 WRs.

 

[dickey moe]

Owens is going to be the 1st WR off the board in a lot of drafts now.

But perhaps Holt should be....

 

[Marc Levin]

I am curious to see how Scott Linehan uses Holt this year - with a greater emphasis than Martz on establishing an actual running game, will Holt get more TD opportunties?

Chambers seems to have had a distinct bump in targets in the red zone with Linehan as OC under Saban - if Linehan gives Holt a distinct bump in RZ targets, he could certainly be a top-3 receiver this year.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

No concensus #1 this yr at WR..but glad I have Holt, SSmith and TO

 

[BringItOn]

Definitely agree that hammy injuries tend to linger. Didn't R. Moss go down with one a couple of years ago? I remember him being used basically as a decoy for most of the season. There are obviously different levels of severity, but I wouldn't expect the Panthers to come out and say that it was serious even if it was.

I Believe Moss had the dreaded High Ankle Sprain. Kept trying to come back without letting it fully heal.

 

[Marc Levin]

Definitely agree that hammy injuries tend to linger.  Didn't R. Moss go down with one a couple of years ago?  I remember him being used basically as a decoy for most of the season.  There are obviously different levels of severity, but I wouldn't expect the Panthers to come out and say that it was serious even if it was.

I Believe Moss had the dreaded High Ankle Sprain. Kept trying to come back without letting it fully heal.

That sounds accurate to me. I remember losing an FF game b/c he started, played a series and sat the rest of the game.

 

[joffer]

I am curious to see how Scott Linehan uses Holt this year - with a greater emphasis than Martz on establishing an actual running game, will Holt get more TD opportunties?

i don't think his red zone opportunities will necessarily go up, but i wouldn't be surprised if he loses less targets to guys like McDonald and Looker just because i don't think they'll be on the field as much as they were with Martz.

 

[Frank Black]

This is excellent news. I hope it is bad.

I don't say things like this often, but I'll say this about anyone on this board who wishes injury upon an athlete: Your statement is pathetic. If you truly mean what you say, I have to wonder about your value system.

 

[Marc Levin]

I am curious to see how Scott Linehan uses Holt this year - with a greater emphasis than Martz on establishing an actual running game, will Holt get more TD opportunties?

i don't think his red zone opportunities will necessarily go up, but i wouldn't be surprised if he loses less targets to guys like McDonald and Looker just because i don't think they'll be on the field as much as they were with Martz.

Linehan will use far fewer three and four wide sets - which is why I don't understand the Curtis love, unless folks feel Bruce will lose his starting role or will be injured again. Their ADP numbers seem out of whack (according to our unified list):

Bruce = 136/WR47

Curtis = 129/WR42

 

[mightyeskimo]

I am curious to see how Scott Linehan uses Holt this year - with a greater emphasis than Martz on establishing an actual running game, will Holt get more TD opportunties?

i don't think his red zone opportunities will necessarily go up, but i wouldn't be surprised if he loses less targets to guys like McDonald and Looker just because i don't think they'll be on the field as much as they were with Martz.

Linehan will use far fewer three and four wide sets - which is why I don't understand the Curtis love, unless folks feel Bruce will lose his starting role or will be injured again. Their ADP numbers seem out of whack (according to our unified list):

Bruce = 136/WR47

Curtis = 129/WR42

I think the Curtis love comes from a dynasty viewpoint. Bruce is in the twilight and Curtis has performed very well when given his chances. As a full time starter, with Holt opposite him, he's at the top of the WR2 (NFL WR2) list.

 

[meanjoegreen]

Definitely agree that hammy injuries tend to linger.  Didn't R. Moss go down with one a couple of years ago?  I remember him being used basically as a decoy for most of the season.  There are obviously different levels of severity, but I wouldn't expect the Panthers to come out and say that it was serious even if it was.

I Believe Moss had the dreaded High Ankle Sprain. Kept trying to come back without letting it fully heal.

That sounds accurate to me. I remember losing an FF game b/c he started, played a series and sat the rest of the game.

In 2004 Randy Moss had a partially torn hamstring.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Owens is going to be the 1st WR off the board in a lot of drafts now.

But perhaps Holt should be....

 

[[icon]]

No concensus #1 this yr at WR..but glad I have Holt, SSmith and TO

You've got to be kidding me with that team in a 16-team league

 

[David Yudkin]

Questions exist on EVERY top-WR this year (unlike previous years) - therefore, my hodgepodge outlook at the top of the WR foodchain.

In this assessment, does this not make Holt the top guy/safest bet to get in round 2?

Safest Bet? Yes.Top Guy? NO.

Holt is a virtual lock for 100/1400/8 or 9 TDs - and a top-8 WR ranking. HOWEVER, even Harrison has a much higher CEILING than Holt in terms of yardage and TDs.

All of CJohn, SS, Owens, Moss and Harrison are more likely to get the same or more yardage plus 4 to 6 additional TDs, which would launch them into the top-3 WRs.

Marc knows I like razzing him for throwing out info that is mostly true. In this case, in his 7 seasons Holt had had:100 recptions twice

1400 yards twice

9 TD three times

Given that the Rams keep insisting that they will not be throwing as much, I would not be so sure that those are locks this time around. He probably is the safest bet to get near those totals, but IMO his opportunities may go down this year.

 

[Marc Levin]

I am curious to see how Scott Linehan uses Holt this year - with a greater emphasis than Martz on establishing an actual running game, will Holt get more TD opportunties?

i don't think his red zone opportunities will necessarily go up, but i wouldn't be surprised if he loses less targets to guys like McDonald and Looker just because i don't think they'll be on the field as much as they were with Martz.

Linehan will use far fewer three and four wide sets - which is why I don't understand the Curtis love, unless folks feel Bruce will lose his starting role or will be injured again. Their ADP numbers seem out of whack (according to our unified list):

Bruce = 136/WR47

Curtis = 129/WR42

I think the Curtis love comes from a dynasty viewpoint. Bruce is in the twilight and Curtis has performed very well when given his chances. As a full time starter, with Holt opposite him, he's at the top of the WR2 (NFL WR2) list.

our ADP numbers are entirely from redraft mock and real drafts.

 

[Marc Levin]

Questions exist on EVERY top-WR this year (unlike previous years) - therefore, my hodgepodge outlook at the top of the WR foodchain.

In this assessment, does this not make Holt the top guy/safest bet to get in round 2?

Safest Bet? Yes.Top Guy? NO.

Holt is a virtual lock for 100/1400/8 or 9 TDs - and a top-8 WR ranking. HOWEVER, even Harrison has a much higher CEILING than Holt in terms of yardage and TDs.

All of CJohn, SS, Owens, Moss and Harrison are more likely to get the same or more yardage plus 4 to 6 additional TDs, which would launch them into the top-3 WRs.

Marc knows I like razzing him for throwing out info that is mostly true. In this case, in his 7 seasons Holt had had:100 recptions twice

1400 yards twice

9 TD three times

Given that the Rams keep insisting that they will not be throwing as much, I would not be so sure that those are locks this time around. He probably is the safest bet to get near those totals, but IMO his opportunities may go down this year.

LOL - Dave - of those "non-1400" yard seasons, we have these totals for rec. yardage:788

1363

1302

1272

1331

So, I guess I shoulda said a lock for 1350 yards, but 1400 yards is easier - esp. when his total yards for the last three years are 1696, 1372 and 1331 - I feel justified rounding up to 1400 yards with that three year production.

Though Holt has 9 TDs only three times in his career, those three times are in his LAST THREE YEARS. he is more likely to be closer to his last three years of stats than his first three years - and Linehan makes TDs for his primary receiver, he doesn't reduce them

This is the same coach who coached Moss for 30 TDs in 2 years, and who coached Chambers into his first Pro Bowl season with 11 TDs - I am not worried about Holt matching 100 rec., 1400 yards (or at least 1350, if that makes you happier), and 8-10 TDs.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Questions exist on EVERY top-WR this year (unlike previous years) - therefore, my hodgepodge outlook at the top of the WR foodchain.

In this assessment, does this not make Holt the top guy/safest bet to get in round 2?

Safest Bet? Yes.Top Guy? NO.

Holt is a virtual lock for 100/1400/8 or 9 TDs - and a top-8 WR ranking. HOWEVER, even Harrison has a much higher CEILING than Holt in terms of yardage and TDs.

All of CJohn, SS, Owens, Moss and Harrison are more likely to get the same or more yardage plus 4 to 6 additional TDs, which would launch them into the top-3 WRs.

Marc knows I like razzing him for throwing out info that is mostly true. In this case, in his 7 seasons Holt had had:100 recptions twice

1400 yards twice

9 TD three times

Given that the Rams keep insisting that they will not be throwing as much, I would not be so sure that those are locks this time around. He probably is the safest bet to get near those totals, but IMO his opportunities may go down this year.

LOL - Dave - of those "non-1400" yard seasons, we have these totals for rec. yardage:788

1363

1302

1272

1331

So, I guess I shoulda said a lock for 1350 yards, but 1400 yards is easier - esp. when his total yards for the last three years are 1696, 1372 and 1331 - I feel justified rounding up to 1400 yards with that three year production.

Though Holt has 9 TDs only three times in his career, those three times are in his LAST THREE YEARS. he is more likely to be closer to his last three years of stats than his first three years - and Linehan makes TDs for his primary receiver, he doesn't reduce them

This is the same coach who coached Moss for 30 TDs in 2 years, and who coached Chambers into his first Pro Bowl season with 11 TDs - I am not worried about Holt matching 100 rec., 1400 yards (or at least 1350, if that makes you happier), and 8-10 TDs.

Let's call it 1300 yards.

 

[fatness]

News-Record article

Carolina Panthers receiver Steve Smith is notoriously intense, so Drew Carter proceeded with caution Sunday when asking his All-Pro teammate about his injured hamstring.

"With Steve, you don't really want to ask too many questions sometimes," Carter said. "I asked him if he was going to be all right. He said, 'I'm all right,' and I kept moving."

Smith, the NFL's leading receiver last season, is out indefinitely after straining his left hamstring on the first day of training camp. Carter and Keary Colbert split time opposite Keyshawn Johnson with the first team at practice Sunday.

The loss of Smith -- even during training camp -- is a significant blow for a team that depended on him almost exclusively last season in the passing game. Smith caught 103 passes for 1,563 yards and 12 touchdowns. No other receiver on the team made more than 25 catches.

"It's a scary thing when you see No. 89 on a cart," safety Mike Minter said. "We'll be praying for him, and we hope he gets back very, very soon."

The Panthers won't speculate on how long Smith will be out. He missed the final week of coaching sessions in June with tightness in the same hamstring, and coach John Fox said Sunday that Smith is day-to-day.

"He was nursing it at the end of summer school, so we have to put him on the shelf, work the rehab, and we'll get him out here when he's healthy," Fox said. "We'll take it as slow as we need to."

 

[RandyDB]

Definitely agree that hammy injuries tend to linger. Didn't R. Moss go down with one a couple of years ago? I remember him being used basically as a decoy for most of the season. There are obviously different levels of severity, but I wouldn't expect the Panthers to come out and say that it was serious even if it was.

I Believe Moss had the dreaded High Ankle Sprain. Kept trying to come back without letting it fully heal.

Moss has had prolonged injuries involving his back, hamstring,groin,ribs etc. It was a hamstring that sidelined him in '04. last year it was the groin that kept his owners guessing every week.Link to Moss's injury history

 

[tennesseeTitans]

I just took him in the second round of my redraft league damnit, Smith WILL come back and top last year's numbers!

Published Tue Aug 1 11:46:00 a.m. ET 2006

(Rotoworld) The Charlotte Observer reports Steve Smith caught passes on the side of Panthers practice Tuesday.

Impact: While he didn't fully participate with the team, this is a clear sign Smith's hamstring injury isn't serious. The Panthers will be cautious with Smith, but we won't change our outlook for him.

Hip yippy hurray.

 

[joffer]

haven't seen much

SPARTANBURG, S.C. -- Wide receiver Steve Smith and safety Mike Minter will miss the Carolina Panthers' exhibition opener against Buffalo on Saturday.Smith, the NFL's leading receiver last season, missed his 13th straight day of training camp Friday with a strained left hamstring, while Minter is not expected to rejoin the team until next week following the sudden death of his mother on Thursday.Tight end Kris Mangum, cornerback Marcus Cassel, tackle Dave Kadela, defensive end Devan Long, receiver Daniel Smith and linebacker Sean Tufts also missed Friday morning's practice with injuries and are not expected to play Saturday.Fox said he plans to play the starters for about a quarter against the Bills."It could be less than that based on plays played and what the game brings," said Fox, who added he plans to play all four quarterbacks on the roster.

SPARTANBURG, S.C. -- Carolina All-Pro receiver Steve Smith appeared closer to returning from a hamstring injury Monday, going through agility drills and catching balls on the side during the Panthers' afternoon workout.Smith, who strained his left hamstring while running a long route on the first day of camp July 29, rode a stationary bike in the morning workout. He ran and caught balls on a separate field while the rest of the team practiced in the afternoon.Coach John Fox has declined to set a timetable for Smith's return and Smith hasn't talked to reporters since camp started. It's unlikely Smith will play in the exhibition opener Saturday against Buffalo in Charlotte.In Smith's absence, Keary Colbert and Drew Carter have split time with the first team opposite new Panther Keyshawn Johnson.

 

[joffer]

WR S. Smith Is BackDarin Gantt, Rock Hill Herald - [Full Article]After two weeks on the sidelines with a strained left hamstring, Panthers’ star WR Steve Smith was back on the practice field Tuesday morning. Since injuring his hamstring in the first week of camp, Smith’s been limited to riding a stationary bike.

 

[simey]

here is some more from the charlotte website:

Carolina Panthers wide receiver Steve Smith practiced Tuesday morning for the first time since suffering a hamstring injury on the first day of training camp. Smith worked with the first team and caught numerous passes. He could get some playing time in Saturday night's preseason game at Jacksonville.Safety Mike Minter was not at practice, but is expected to travel back to Charlotte today after attending his mother's funeral in Oklahoma on Monday. Team officials have told Minter to take as much time off as he wants, but he could return to practice in the next few days.

 

[simey]

this is from the panthers website today:

john fox is the one addressing the bolded parts.

On wide receiver Steve Smith returning to practice: We got Steve Smith back out today, and he looked good. We've done right I think medically with him. He felt comfortable enough to come out and he looked good running around out there today.

On if Smith practicing again puts him at ease: I'd like to see them out there everyday. I never like when anybody is on the shelf, but sometimes you've just got to do that to get the guy healthy. We are trying to get ready for a full NFL season, so we were going to be very cautious. It's always good to have guys on the field.

On if it worries him that Smith practices too hard: That's what I mean by being medically smart. You understand that each one of these guys is different. They have their own personality. They have their own tolerance for pain. Sometimes you have to pull the reins in and sometimes you have to get the spurs out. But in his case, it's more that you have to pull the reins in. We were cautious about when to let him out.

 

[pghrob]

Notable WR's with hammy problems:

As of 8/22:

SS - Car Questionable for game on 8/24

TO - Dal missed 8/21 game v. NO

Hines Ward - Pit questionable for 8/25 game v. philly

Brandon Lloyd - Was questionable for 8/26 v. NE

David Givens - Ten questionable 8/26 v. atl

Chris Henry - Cin questionable 8/28 v. GB

Tyrone Calico - Ten quest.8/26 v. atl

DJ Hackett - Sea missed 8/20 at Indy

Can hammy problems be an indication of poor conditioning or stretching practice, or is it just one of those random injuries that are a part of the nature of the game, say like a torn achilles (except of course less traumatic).

In this day of modern sports athletic training, tight hammys would seem to be less prevalent.

Is it possible that perhpas some of the players on this list are limiting training camp action / preseason play simply to avoid injuries and to save themselves for regular season?

Or are these hammy problems going to nag these guys all year?