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Patriots looking for a 1st and 4th for Garoppolo (2 Viewers)

NE can still use the fifth year option for $8 million and change.  So they essentially have Cooks for two years at $9-10 million.

 
Bayhawks said:
Moss was 2007, and Brady wasn't 39 then.  This last year he had a great YPA, but it has been in the high 6 to mid 7 range for the past 4-5 years previous.  Most believe that he doesn't have the deep arm, or the offense doesn't use the deep play, to get the ball out of his hands quickly.  I'm not sure how much of an impact Cooks will have, FF-speaking.  What he can/will do, IMO, is loosen up the D, making more room underneath.
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I think Cooks is far more than a one dimensional threat.  If he can adapt to their offense, he could have a big impact. 

 
Sorry this thread has become the Cooks to Pats trade thread. We should take this conversation elsewhere.

I'll meet you in the NE Pats thread.

 
Bossman said:
Never said any of the other moves weren't great. Just don't like the Cooks trade.

What does that have to do with them winning a SB last year? 

Maybe your new to the fan club ... but the Pats are notorious for bringing in WR's that just can't figure out the offense.

Bethel Johnson, Chad Jackson, Brandon Tate, Reggie Wayne, Josh Boyce, Chad Ochocinco, Aaron Dobson, 

I think they were already in great shape at WR ... and you can only have 5 eligible rec on the feild at once...

J. White, Gronk, Edleman, Hogan, Mitchell .... which one of these guys do you want to take off the field to play Cooks? 
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I only go back to the days of Plunkett and Stingley, so yeah, relatively new. Real impressive list of WR's there... except Wayne who was already cooked and the knucklehead Johnson.  The rest were lame rookies they tried to get on board- didn't work out.  They have a good WR corp but adding Cooks makes it quite a bit better. The Pats are being unusually aggressive, adding strength to strength. They are being pro-active knowing Brady's window is 2-4 years at best. AND THEY WON THE SUPER BOWL and taking this attitude, what's not to like?

Does it make you scared? Relax- we won the SB...... btw- James White is a running back, it's Amendola who might be in trouble. 

 
DropKick said:
I think Cooks is far more than a one dimensional threat.  If he can adapt to their offense, he could have a big impact. 
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You are right with regard to the bolded, but that's been said about all the WRs NE has tried out over the last 10 years (and few of them have adapted). 

With regards to the first part of your statement, you may turn out to be correct in that, as well.  What I've seen of Cooks so far, that doesn't seem to be the case.  He seems to be a speed guy, not necessarily a route technician.  Perhaps I've missed that part of his game, but if he is primarily a speed guy, I don't know that Brady (GOAT notwithstanding) has the skills at this point of his career, to take full advantage of that.

 
Don't listen to anyone telling you that Cooks doesn't make NE better, because he does.  Even someone like me who hates the Patriots knows this.  Get the blinders off guys.  This may not be best for Cooks fantasy wise due to them already having a lot of mouths to feed and their propensity to game plan different offensive players from week to week, but it helps NE out tremendously.  Great job by BB getting this done for his team and their fans.  Having said that, what does Cooks have to do with JG?

 
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ghostguy123 said:
Yeah and got back a 4th.  Not sure how far that drop is.
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A round because NE had to forfeit the pick they got from the Saints so essentially the Saints kicked them back a 4th so the Patriots could keep their own 4th.

Which frankly is the one part of that trade I can't get my head around. NE had to forfeit the higher of whatever 4th round pick they had, can'treally figure out why part of the deal would have the Saints giving up a pick higher than 4.32 when it had to be given up. Would think the deal could have been worked another way.

 
menobrown said:
A round because NE had to forfeit the pick they got from the Saints so essentially the Saints kicked them back a 4th so the Patriots could keep their own 4th.

Which frankly is the one part of that trade I can't get my head around. NE had to forfeit the higher of whatever 4th round pick they had, can'treally figure out why part of the deal would have the Saints giving up a pick higher than 4.32 when it had to be given up. Would think the deal could have been worked another way.
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You make the assumption that NE keeps the pick. There is a 1000% chance NE trades the pick they got from the Saints and moves up or down a round to forfeit their own last pick in Round 4. Or they trade it for a pick next year.  You get the idea. 

 
Anarchy99 said:
You make the assumption that NE keeps the pick. There is a 1000% chance NE trades the pick they got from the Saints and moves up or down a round to forfeit their own last pick in Round 4. Or they trade it for a pick next year.  You get the idea. 
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You may be right and if so Mike Riess is wrong:

Walter Tsigler‏ @tsigler76


 



 



 





 




@MikeReiss can pats still move the NewOrleans 4th rd. Pick until the 4th round of the draft is over

Mike Reiss‏Verified account @MikeReiss 6h6 hours ago



 




 



Mike Reiss Retweeted Walter Tsigler

Good morning Walter. Upon execution of Patriots-Saints-Cooks trade, that pick is now forfeited, per NFL. Patriots do not own it.





 
menobrown said:
You may be right and if so Mike Riess is wrong:

Walter Tsigler‏ @tsigler76


 



 



 





 




@MikeReiss can pats still move the NewOrleans 4th rd. Pick until the 4th round of the draft is over

Mike Reiss‏Verified account @MikeReiss 6h6 hours ago



 




 



Mike Reiss Retweeted Walter Tsigler

Good morning Walter. Upon execution of Patriots-Saints-Cooks trade, that pick is now forfeited, per NFL. Patriots do not own it.
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I guess it depends who is reporting. 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/patriots-final-deflategate-punishment-looks-worse-after-cooks-trade-with-saints/

 
menobrown said:
Yea and I really don't know who is right to be honest. I'd bet on Reiss if I had to bet, but don't know with any degree of certainty.
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From what I have seen, NE has to forfeit the highest fourth round pick they have. I haven't seen anything that says they can't trade the NOS pick. Maybe Reid's is saying they have no rights to the highest 4th round pick at all times. 

 
Anarchy99 said:
From what I have seen, NE has to forfeit the highest fourth round pick they have. I haven't seen anything that says they can't trade the NOS pick. Maybe Reid's is saying they have no rights to the highest 4th round pick at all times. 
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The tweet I posted was someone saying they can't trade the pick so that is one place.  That tweet was responding to someone who asked if NE could trade the pick, he said no it was gone.

Again, not sure he's right, but that is someone who is stating it can no longer be traded.

 
menobrown said:
The tweet I posted was someone saying they can't trade the pick so that is one place.  That tweet was responding to someone who asked if NE could trade the pick, he said no it was gone.

Again, not sure he's right, but that is someone who is stating it can no longer be traded.
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Which would mean what I said would be true. The Pats have no rights to the highest 4th round pick they hold. So if they got a pick better than the Saints pick, they would get the Saints pick back. 

 
Anarchy99 said:
Which would mean what I said would be true. The Pats have no rights to the highest 4th round pick they hold. So if they got a pick better than the Saints pick, they would get the Saints pick back. 
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No not quite. If what Riess is saying, and I've now read this some other places as well, the Saints pick is lost. They don't own it any longer, it no longer exists. NE no longer holds pick 4.18, they now own pick 4.31. Basically the 4th round pick they got back from the Saints moved their 4th round pick up one spot.

 
menobrown said:
No not quite. If what Riess is saying, and I've now read this some other places as well, the Saints pick is lost. They don't own it any longer, it no longer exists. NE no longer holds pick 4.18, they now own pick 4.31. Basically the 4th round pick they got back from the Saints moved their 4th round pick up one spot.
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If they go out now and get pick 4.01 they can't keep it. The Deflategate penalty is forfeiture of the best available pick in the fourth round. If they somehow got 4.01, they would lose that pick and re-obtain the Saints pick. 

 
Anarchy99 said:
If they go out now and get pick 4.01 they can't keep it. The Deflategate penalty is forfeiture of the best available pick in the fourth round. If they somehow got 4.01, they would lose that pick and re-obtain the Saints pick. 
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Unless Riess and some other people are wrong that's not true. That Saints pick is lost, it no longer exists and they can't get it back. I believe this to be accurate and you will one day as well and until that time I'm done here.

 
In Reiss' Twitter feed, he explains exactly what I just posted. If NE acquires a better pick, they will lose that one and the Saints pick would be restored. 

 
Ive read that the pick isn't forfeited until draft day, so the 4.18 can currently be traded. They will lose a 4th regardless, it only becomes encumbered when its the only 4th they own.

If they trade back to a later 4th, they will still lose it but can gain from a trade.

 
The deal that should and will probably happen is Jimmy G for Cleveland's 12th pick. All the other talk is just negotiation tactics.

 
Bayhawks said:
You are right with regard to the bolded, but that's been said about all the WRs NE has tried out over the last 10 years (and few of them have adapted). 

With regards to the first part of your statement, you may turn out to be correct in that, as well.  What I've seen of Cooks so far, that doesn't seem to be the case.  He seems to be a speed guy, not necessarily a route technician.  Perhaps I've missed that part of his game, but if he is primarily a speed guy, I don't know that Brady (GOAT notwithstanding) has the skills at this point of his career, to take full advantage of that.
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You have not watched Cooks enough. He's not just a deep treat at all. 

 
kyoun1e said:
You are living on a different planet if this is what you believe.
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According to Schefter the Pats don't want to trade JG for a 1st or at all.  I'm not sure I believe that, but I don't think anyone would trade more than a 1st and 4th for JG and if they would, they would be stupid to do so.

 
JohnnyU said:
According to Schefter the Pats don't want to trade JG for a 1st or at all.  I'm not sure I believe that, but I don't think anyone would trade more than a 1st and 4th for JG and if they would, they would be stupid to do so.
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If I'm Rick smith I'm absolutely offering the 1.25 and 4.24 for jimmy.  

No other team should do that but Houston is close enough to being a legit SB contender and are no longer saddled worth Oz's salary.  

 
-OZ- said:
If I'm Rick smith I'm absolutely offering the 1.25 and 4.24 for jimmy.  

No other team should do that but Houston is close enough to being a legit SB contender and are no longer saddled worth Oz's salary.  
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I wouldn't move him to Houston...add him to their D and you are helping out a conference contender fix their fatal flaw...

 
Boston said:
I wouldn't move him to Houston...add him to their D and you are helping out a conference contender fix their fatal flaw...
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Sure, that's the rub.  But do they really think in the next two years they're losing to Houston?  

I completely missed the pats getting Ealy.  Nice move. 

 
-OZ- said:
Sure, that's the rub.  But do they really think in the next two years they're losing to Houston?  

I completely missed the pats getting Ealy.  Nice move. 
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Without a QB definitely not...with a QB the gap could close some...their D is very good and they are getting Watt back...why help them correct their black hole...especially if we are talking about a low #1...

 
Boston said:
Without a QB definitely not...with a QB the gap could close some...their D is very good and they are getting Watt back...why help them correct their black hole...especially if we are talking about a low #1...
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Maybe if they trade JG to Houston then Houston won't get Romo.  Seems like a win win for the Pats, at least for the next 2-3 years.  They not only keep the better QB in Romo out of Houston, but they also take away picks. 

 
Anarchy99 said:
In Reiss' Twitter feed, he explains exactly what I just posted. If NE acquires a better pick, they will lose that one and the Saints pick would be restored. 
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Just Win Baby said:
Doesn't matter, I won't talk to you again until you agree with me!

- @menobrown
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Anarchy was right. Reiss sure explained things like poo in this twitter feed, downright contradictory.  That being said in order for the Saints pick to not be forfeited the Pats would have to trade for and forfeit a higher 4th round pick, so to me I still see the end result of the Cooks trade as losing a round on their pick so nothing changed on what I think they gave up and still find the deal as odd.

 
ghostguy123 said:
Maybe if they trade JG to Houston then Houston won't get Romo.  Seems like a win win for the Pats, at least for the next 2-3 years.  They not only keep the better QB in Romo out of Houston, but they also take away picks. 
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Romo is better right now, because right now Tony isn't broken.  But hey, he's made it through 16 games 4 times in his 13 year career. 

(I actually agree romo would be better for the Texans short term but is that happening? )

 
ghostguy123 said:
Maybe if they trade JG to Houston then Houston won't get Romo.  Seems like a win win for the Pats, at least for the next 2-3 years.  They not only keep the better QB in Romo out of Houston, but they also take away picks. 
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Romo doesn't worry me as much...just don't believe his body can hold up...especially not for more than one year...even if they get him they will still need to invest in a QB...he would simply be a short-term fix...

 
JohnnyU said:
According to Schefter the Pats don't want to trade JG for a 1st or at all.  I'm not sure I believe that, but I don't think anyone would trade more than a 1st and 4th for JG and if they would, they would be stupid to do so.
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Hmmm.  So a stupid team?  We do agree the Browns will get him then. 

 
Anyone have an Over/Under on how many pages this thread will get to by the time the draft starts and CLE uses the picks it was supposed to trade for Garoppollo?

 
Captain Quinoa said:
Is there non-Pats-fan evidence that they have been offered anything near that?
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Title of the dang thread is speculation from Schefter, who has been screaming from the rooftops since then that the Pats aren't going to trade him.  

But ever since his one comment on a radio show, 1st rounder plus is the minimum price for JG, and people are acting as if it's fact.  

To answer your question, the answer is NO.  Zero evidence.  

 
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