PDSL - Rounds 13 and 14 (1 Viewer)

[BassNBrew]

13.5 Reche Caldwell

very nice pick

Thanks...the number 2, 3, or 4 WR will post some scoring weeks. That said, Belichick will end up cutting him before camp is out with my luck.

 

[LHUCKS]

1) What's wrong with Tiki ? Funny how he's always relegated to an afterthought.

2) I haven't spotted many good "sleeper" RBs that can be had to help make up the difference.

The problem with Tiki is that he'll go 4 or 5 this year.

2) Out of this list, you can't scout a few sleepers? I assume you're strategy is to take a Top Wideout and a Top QB to make up the difference and grab a quality starter later. This year fits that strategy perfectly. Look how many backs there are!!

Obviously there are RBs that I believe have a chance at significantly outperforming their draft position, but there aren't any jumping out at me this year the way that Tiki was last year, and some of my other value picks from year's past.

Just so I understand, why would you assume that some year in the future, you'll eventually have "an angle" to beating the rest of the guys who consider themselves diehards?

Because I beat "diehards" at this game on a regular/consistent basis. I don't need to go into what I've accomplished, but my winnings are substantial every year.

3) High dollar survivor leagues ?? What $$ amount are we talking here?

whatever amount is offered...I really have no reservations of putting a couple of grand down if it is untaxed and the rake is reasonable.Final thoughts:

Only enter the WCOFF if you want a 1 in 75 chance of winning 200 grand. There's really no other reason financially it can be justified. The $5k isn't a grand payout, but word is LP is looking at improving it.

I personally enjoy the Thursday to Sunday camradarie. A few of my buddies play as well and it all starts as soon as we get off the plane on Thursday.

Grab as many futures odds throughout the sportsbooks. Scout out the best ones and you're ready for the ESPN Zone Thursday night. Friday is HOLD EM day, Saturday is the draft, Sunday is football.

Talking last minute strategy, downing a few brews and tossing a few cards before the games.. It doesn't get much better than this.

Ollie, I'll see you there.

 

[LHUCKS]

1) What's wrong with Tiki ? Funny how he's always relegated to an afterthought.

The problem with Tiki is that he'll go 4 or 5 this year.

2) Out of this list, you can't scout a few sleepers? I assume you're strategy is to take a Top Wideout and a Top QB to make up the difference and grab a quality starter later. This year fits that strategy perfectly. Look how many backs there are!!

Obviously there are RBs that I believe have a chance at significantly outperforming their draft position, but there aren't any jumping out at me this year the way that Tiki was last year, and some of my other value picks from year's past.

Just so I understand, why would you assume that some year in the future, you'll eventually have "an angle" to beating the rest of the guys who consider themselves diehards?

Because I beat "diehards" at this game on a regular/consistent basis. I don't need to go into what I've accomplished, but my winnings are substantial every year.

3) High dollar survivor leagues ?? What $$ amount are we talking here?

whatever amount is offered...I really have no reservations of putting a couple of grand down if it is untaxed and the rake is reasonable.

 

[David Yudkin]

13.06 Michael Jenkins, WR, ATL

I wanted Caldwell of course, but Jenkins will have to do.

 

[Team Legacy]

I just find it funny that you think you need to find a steal of a RB to compete in WCOFF.

Not referring to you, but too many owners think they're "scouts".

This game isn't that difficult. Pick 20 players that are better than the other guys 20 players.

Use your bidding $ to pick up on free agents, hopefully before the secret is out.

I'm afraid if you wait for your angle, you'll be waiting a long time. Chances are good that you'll never think of an angle others haven't or won't.

 

[LHUCKS]

I just find it funny that you think you need to find a steal of a RB to compete in WCOFF.

Like I said in an earlier post i think you can compete without finding a sleeper rb...that being said, I view this game as a game of percentages and I think the percentages start working against you if you don't land one of the big three.

I'm afraid if you wait for your angle, you'll be waiting a long time. Chances are good that you'll never think of an angle others haven't or won't.

Last year I had an angle and I was extremely successful, everybody who participated in FBG drafts knows this. So I disagree. I'm often able to spot angles and I'm sure one will hit me again.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

13.5 Reche Caldwell

very nice pick

Thanks...the number 2, 3, or 4 WR will post some scoring weeks. That said, Belichick will end up cutting him before camp is out with my luck.

Yes, nice pick.Missed the Reche Caldwell info completely. Oh well - rather make the error in April than in August.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Rumors around that Joey H and the Dolphins are very close to a deal

 

[Team Legacy]

I just find it funny that you think you need to find a steal of a RB to compete in WCOFF.

Like I said in an earlier post i think you can compete without finding a sleeper rb...that being said, I view this game as a game of percentages and I think the percentages start working against you if you don't land one of the big three.

I'm afraid if you wait for your angle, you'll be waiting a long time. Chances are good that you'll never think of an angle others haven't or won't.

Last year I had an angle and I was extremely successful, everybody who participated in FBG drafts knows this. So I disagree. I'm often able to spot angles and I'm sure one will hit me again.

the angle was... drafting tiki?? or was it more than that. Sorry, I'm not familiar with it.

 

[radballs.]

I just find it funny that you think you need to find a steal of a RB to compete in WCOFF.

Like I said in an earlier post i think you can compete without finding a sleeper rb...that being said, I view this game as a game of percentages and I think the percentages start working against you if you don't land one of the big three.

I'm afraid if you wait for your angle, you'll be waiting a long time. Chances are good that you'll never think of an angle others haven't or won't.

Last year I had an angle and I was extremely successful, everybody who participated in FBG drafts knows this. So I disagree. I'm often able to spot angles and I'm sure one will hit me again.

What was your angle that led to such poor performances for you across the board in 2004? Just askin'.

 

[radballs.]

Caldwell and Jenkins just going hurts. Nice picks for both of them.

 

[bostonfred]

Or maybe, with the RB depth where it is, people need to start drafting the top WRs ahead of the medium RBs.  The reason the top 18-20 RBs go in the first 24 picks every year is because everyone goes for stud RB.  But look at the list of backs right now:

1.01 Twilight - LaDainian Tomlinson, RB1, SD

1.02 rzrback77 - Larry Johnson, RB2, KC

1.03 Frank Black - Shaun Alexander, RB3, SEA

1.04 Jeff Pasquino - Clinton Portis, RB4, WAS

1.05 BassNBrew - Edgerrin James, RB5, ARI

1.06 David Yudkin - Tiki Barber, RB6, NYG

1.07 bostonfred - Steven Jackson, RB7, STL

1.08 Aaron Rudnicki - Lamont Jordan, RB8, OAK

1.09 Construxboy - Carnell Williams, RB9, TB

1.10 Fiddles - Brian Westbrook, RB10, PHI

1.11 LHUCKS - Willis McGahee, RB11, BUF

1.12 radballs - Ronnie Brown, RB12, MIA

1.13 bicycle seat sniffer - Rudi Johnson, RB13, CIN

1.15 Duke1948 - Kevin Jones, RB14, DET

2.01 Team Legacy - Deuce McAllister, RB15, NO

2.03 EBF - DeShaun Foster, RB16, CAR

2.04 bicycle seat sniffer - Julius Jones, RB17, DAL

2.06 LHUCKS - Warrick Dunn, RB18, ATL

2.07 Fiddles - Willie Parker, RB19, PIT

2.09 Aaron Rudnicki - Thomas Jones, RB20, CHI

2.11 David Yudkin - Chester Taylor, RB21, MIN

2.13 Jeff Pasquino - Reuben Droughns, RB22, CLE

3.02 rzrback77 - Domanick Davis, RB23, HOU

3.03 Frank Black - Corey Dillon, RB24, NE

3.07 bostonfred - Jamal Lewis, RB25, BAL

3.09 Construxboy - Reggie Bush, RB26, Rookie (Hou?)

3.10 Fiddles - LenDale White, RB27, Rookie

3.15 Duke1948 - DeAngelo Williams, RB28, Rookie

4.01 Team Legacy - Tatum Bell, RB29, DEN

4.05 radballs - Ahman Green, RB30, GB

4.11 David Yudkin - Chris Brown, RB31, TEN

5.01 Twilight - Laurence Maroney, RB32, Rookie

I'm not saying I would start all of those guys, but even after the draft, I expect about 25 RBs that could potentially go in the first two round of a 12 team league.  I think RB WR RB is the way to go this year.

I've loaded up with WR before and been thin at RB and that hasn't worked well either. IMO, you need at least 1 stud RB and another RB to do well from somewhere, whether it be an early draft pick or one later on that emerges. Having only one viable RB can be instant death.

I agree. I just think that the round 2 RBs aren't much better than the round 3 RBs. By the end of the draft, there's usually about 20 stable RB positions. This year, it looks more like there will be about 25.

 

[radballs.]

Or maybe, with the RB depth where it is, people need to start drafting the top WRs ahead of the medium RBs.  The reason the top 18-20 RBs go in the first 24 picks every year is because everyone goes for stud RB.  But look at the list of backs right now:

1.01 Twilight - LaDainian Tomlinson, RB1, SD

1.02 rzrback77 - Larry Johnson, RB2, KC

1.03 Frank Black - Shaun Alexander, RB3, SEA

1.04 Jeff Pasquino - Clinton Portis, RB4, WAS

1.05 BassNBrew - Edgerrin James, RB5, ARI

1.06 David Yudkin - Tiki Barber, RB6, NYG

1.07 bostonfred - Steven Jackson, RB7, STL

1.08 Aaron Rudnicki - Lamont Jordan, RB8, OAK

1.09 Construxboy - Carnell Williams, RB9, TB

1.10 Fiddles - Brian Westbrook, RB10, PHI

1.11 LHUCKS - Willis McGahee, RB11, BUF

1.12 radballs - Ronnie Brown, RB12, MIA

1.13 bicycle seat sniffer - Rudi Johnson, RB13, CIN

1.15 Duke1948 - Kevin Jones, RB14, DET

2.01 Team Legacy - Deuce McAllister, RB15, NO

2.03 EBF - DeShaun Foster, RB16, CAR

2.04 bicycle seat sniffer - Julius Jones, RB17, DAL

2.06 LHUCKS - Warrick Dunn, RB18, ATL

2.07 Fiddles - Willie Parker, RB19, PIT

2.09 Aaron Rudnicki - Thomas Jones, RB20, CHI

2.11 David Yudkin - Chester Taylor, RB21, MIN

2.13 Jeff Pasquino - Reuben Droughns, RB22, CLE

3.02 rzrback77 - Domanick Davis, RB23, HOU

3.03 Frank Black - Corey Dillon, RB24, NE

3.07 bostonfred - Jamal Lewis, RB25, BAL

3.09 Construxboy - Reggie Bush, RB26, Rookie (Hou?)

3.10 Fiddles - LenDale White, RB27, Rookie

3.15 Duke1948 - DeAngelo Williams, RB28, Rookie

4.01 Team Legacy - Tatum Bell, RB29, DEN

4.05 radballs - Ahman Green, RB30, GB

4.11 David Yudkin - Chris Brown, RB31, TEN

5.01 Twilight - Laurence Maroney, RB32, Rookie

I'm not saying I would start all of those guys, but even after the draft, I expect about 25 RBs that could potentially go in the first two round of a 12 team league.  I think RB WR RB is the way to go this year.

I've loaded up with WR before and been thin at RB and that hasn't worked well either. IMO, you need at least 1 stud RB and another RB to do well from somewhere, whether it be an early draft pick or one later on that emerges. Having only one viable RB can be instant death.

I agree. I just think that the round 2 RBs aren't much better than the round 3 RBs. By the end of the draft, there's usually about 20 stable RB positions. This year, it looks more like there will be about 25.

Very good point. That's why in a 12 team league, I think you can really neglect RBs if you have an early pick by going with 2 WRs with your second and third round picks. Come back with your RB2 in round 4. Obviously, it's a much different story when you're talking about a 16 team league.

 

[bostonfred]

Colts D. Here's hoping I'm wrong.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Going to late Mass. PMing 2 guys to Fiddles.

 

[BassNBrew]

Going to late Mass. PMing 2 guys to Fiddles.

Say a prayer for Jeff's team.

 

[BassNBrew]

I just find it funny that you think you need to find a steal of a RB to compete in WCOFF.

Not referring to you, but too many owners think they're "scouts".

This game isn't that difficult. Pick 20 players that are better than the other guys 20 players.

Use your bidding $ to pick up on free agents, hopefully before the secret is out.

I'm afraid if you wait for your angle, you'll be waiting a long time. Chances are good that you'll never think of an angle others haven't or won't.

I guess my contention is that if you don't get one of the big 3, you have to draft 19 players that are significantly better than the other guys players. Furthermore, I see talent dropoffs just before those at the back of the snake draft in round 1 and round 3. The usual "big 3 WRs" has now become the big 5 or 6 which means one of the first three draft slots gets a shot at a stud WR.If you asked me to rank Moss/TO/CJ/Holt/Harrison/Smith right now, I'd probably wouldn't give you the same answer twice. CJ/Holt/Smith are more reliable, but have team/QB issues that add some uncertainty. Moss/Owens/Harrison would have been in the 4-6 slots back in January, but all have moved up my boards based on free agency.

 

[LHUCKS]

What was your angle that led to such poor performances for you across the board in 2004? Just askin'.

That's simply not true.

 

[LHUCKS]

I just find it funny that you think you need to find a steal of a RB to compete in WCOFF.

Not referring to you, but too many owners think they're "scouts".

This game isn't that difficult. Pick 20 players that are better than the other guys 20 players.

Use your bidding $ to pick up on free agents, hopefully before the secret is out.

I'm afraid if you wait for your angle, you'll be waiting a long time. Chances are good that you'll never think of an angle others haven't or won't.

I guess my contention is that if you don't get one of the big 3, you have to draft 19 players that are significantly better than the other guys players. Furthermore, I see talent dropoffs just before those at the back of the snake draft in round 1 and round 3. The usual "big 3 WRs" has now become the big 5 or 6 which means one of the first three draft slots gets a shot at a stud WR.

Exactly. You're at an immediate disadvantage...it's like playing Q/10 in hold em against an A/K. Sure you can win, but why pay a large sum of money with a known disadvantage?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I just find it funny that you think you need to find a steal of a RB to compete in WCOFF.

Not referring to you, but too many owners think they're "scouts".

This game isn't that difficult. Pick 20 players that are better than the other guys 20 players.

Use your bidding $ to pick up on free agents, hopefully before the secret is out.

I'm afraid if you wait for your angle, you'll be waiting a long time. Chances are good that you'll never think of an angle others haven't or won't.

I guess my contention is that if you don't get one of the big 3, you have to draft 19 players that are significantly better than the other guys players. Furthermore, I see talent dropoffs just before those at the back of the snake draft in round 1 and round 3. The usual "big 3 WRs" has now become the big 5 or 6 which means one of the first three draft slots gets a shot at a stud WR.

Exactly. You're at an immediate disadvantage...it's like playing Q/10 in hold em against an A/K. Sure you can win, but why pay a large sum of money with a known disadvantage?

The poker analogy is just fine until the Ace tears its knee in October.

 

[EBF]

I just find it funny that you think you need to find a steal of a RB to compete in WCOFF.

Not referring to you, but too many owners think they're "scouts".

This game isn't that difficult. Pick 20 players that are better than the other guys 20 players.

Use your bidding $ to pick up on free agents, hopefully before the secret is out.

I'm afraid if you wait for your angle, you'll be waiting a long time. Chances are good that you'll never think of an angle others haven't or won't.

I guess my contention is that if you don't get one of the big 3, you have to draft 19 players that are significantly better than the other guys players. Furthermore, I see talent dropoffs just before those at the back of the snake draft in round 1 and round 3. The usual "big 3 WRs" has now become the big 5 or 6 which means one of the first three draft slots gets a shot at a stud WR.

Exactly. You're at an immediate disadvantage...it's like playing Q/10 in hold em against an A/K. Sure you can win, but why pay a large sum of money with a known disadvantage?

So you draft Antonio Gates, and get Shaun Alexander's production from your TE spot.

 

[EBF]

I just find it funny that you think you need to find a steal of a RB to compete in WCOFF.

Not referring to you, but too many owners think they're "scouts".

This game isn't that difficult. Pick 20 players that are better than the other guys 20 players.

Use your bidding $ to pick up on free agents, hopefully before the secret is out.

I'm afraid if you wait for your angle, you'll be waiting a long time. Chances are good that you'll never think of an angle others haven't or won't.

I guess my contention is that if you don't get one of the big 3, you have to draft 19 players that are significantly better than the other guys players. Furthermore, I see talent dropoffs just before those at the back of the snake draft in round 1 and round 3. The usual "big 3 WRs" has now become the big 5 or 6 which means one of the first three draft slots gets a shot at a stud WR.

Exactly. You're at an immediate disadvantage...it's like playing Q/10 in hold em against an A/K. Sure you can win, but why pay a large sum of money with a known disadvantage?

So you draft Antonio Gates, and get Shaun Alexander's production from your TE spot....

...and Stephen Alexander's production from your RB spot. Anyhow, what matters is total points each week. 20 points from the TE and 6 from the RB adds up to 26. 20 points from the RB and 6 from the TE adds up to 26.

 

[BassNBrew]

I just find it funny that you think you need to find a steal of a RB to compete in WCOFF.

Not referring to you, but too many owners think they're "scouts".

This game isn't that difficult. Pick 20 players that are better than the other guys 20 players.

Use your bidding $ to pick up on free agents, hopefully before the secret is out.

I'm afraid if you wait for your angle, you'll be waiting a long time. Chances are good that you'll never think of an angle others haven't or won't.

I guess my contention is that if you don't get one of the big 3, you have to draft 19 players that are significantly better than the other guys players. Furthermore, I see talent dropoffs just before those at the back of the snake draft in round 1 and round 3. The usual "big 3 WRs" has now become the big 5 or 6 which means one of the first three draft slots gets a shot at a stud WR.

Exactly. You're at an immediate disadvantage...it's like playing Q/10 in hold em against an A/K. Sure you can win, but why pay a large sum of money with a known disadvantage?

So you draft Antonio Gates, and get Shaun Alexander's production from your TE spot....

...and Stephen Alexander's production from your RB spot. Anyhow, what matters is total points each week. 20 points from the TE and 6 from the RB adds up to 26. 20 points from the RB and 6 from the TE adds up to 26.

You should write a book. You're already ahead of the game with 3 letters in your name as opposed to one (Z)

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I just find it funny that you think you need to find a steal of a RB to compete in WCOFF.

Not referring to you, but too many owners think they're "scouts".

This game isn't that difficult. Pick 20 players that are better than the other guys 20 players.

Use your bidding $ to pick up on free agents, hopefully before the secret is out.

I'm afraid if you wait for your angle, you'll be waiting a long time. Chances are good that you'll never think of an angle others haven't or won't.

I guess my contention is that if you don't get one of the big 3, you have to draft 19 players that are significantly better than the other guys players. Furthermore, I see talent dropoffs just before those at the back of the snake draft in round 1 and round 3. The usual "big 3 WRs" has now become the big 5 or 6 which means one of the first three draft slots gets a shot at a stud WR.

Exactly. You're at an immediate disadvantage...it's like playing Q/10 in hold em against an A/K. Sure you can win, but why pay a large sum of money with a known disadvantage?

So you draft Antonio Gates, and get Shaun Alexander's production from your TE spot....

...and Stephen Alexander's production from your RB spot. Anyhow, what matters is total points each week. 20 points from the TE and 6 from the RB adds up to 26. 20 points from the RB and 6 from the TE adds up to 26.

You should write a book. You're already ahead of the game with 3 letters in your name as opposed to one (Z)

I'm back. Jeff's team may make it, but he needs to say 3 Our Fathers and 4 Hail Marys.

 

[Frank Black]

New topic for discussion for the experts here. I was wondering for those of you playing big $ leagues, are you concerned that this year will turn these leagues into basically a lottery with the teams at the top of the snake likely dominating? Seems like anyone getting one of the top three draft postions will be getting a RB head and shoulders above the rest of the league, a second RB on par with those drafted at the beginning of the second round, and a top flight WR. Just seems like draft position will be a lot to overcome this year.

I don't know about that, Bass. I had the 3rd position, and I don't feel too great about my team thus far. There are still difficult choices to make regardless of where you draft. In this league, so much hinges on whether to draft a top flight TE, and when to draft your 2nd QB. If you err in drafting those positions, in relation to the rest of your team, it doesn't matter what your draft position is. As for me, I can only hope that having Alexander, Harrison, and 2 consistent top 10 QBs (hopefully) will give my team an advantage.

 

[EBF]

I don't think the top 3 is really as firm as it appears to be. Alexander had a freak season last year. Given his age, he could quickly go the way of Priest Holmes and Marshall Faulk.

Tomlinson is a beast, but he already has an awful lot of mileage. I think he's great, but an injury could happen any minute (true for any player).

Larry Johnson has never been a starter for a full season.

I'm not saying these guys aren't worth the hype, but it's not as if they're bulletproof. Things change quickly in FF. Faulk and Holmes had hard falls from the top. I can definitely see the same happening with one or two of these guys.

 

[BassNBrew]

I don't think the top 3 is really as firm as it appears to be. Alexander had a freak season last year. Given his age, he could quickly go the way of Priest Holmes and Marshall Faulk.

Tomlinson is a beast, but he already has an awful lot of mileage. I think he's great, but an injury could happen any minute (true for any player).

Larry Johnson has never been a starter for a full season.

I'm not saying these guys aren't worth the hype, but it's not as if they're bulletproof. Things change quickly in FF. Faulk and Holmes had hard falls from the top. I can definitely see the same happening with one or two of these guys.

Agreed...but the same applies to 3/4 of the RBs drafted behind them.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I just find it funny that you think you need to find a steal of a RB to compete in WCOFF.

Not referring to you, but too many owners think they're "scouts".

This game isn't that difficult. Pick 20 players that are better than the other guys 20 players.

Use your bidding $ to pick up on free agents, hopefully before the secret is out.

I'm afraid if you wait for your angle, you'll be waiting a long time. Chances are good that you'll never think of an angle others haven't or won't.

I guess my contention is that if you don't get one of the big 3, you have to draft 19 players that are significantly better than the other guys players. Furthermore, I see talent dropoffs just before those at the back of the snake draft in round 1 and round 3. The usual "big 3 WRs" has now become the big 5 or 6 which means one of the first three draft slots gets a shot at a stud WR.

Exactly. You're at an immediate disadvantage...it's like playing Q/10 in hold em against an A/K. Sure you can win, but why pay a large sum of money with a known disadvantage?

You two surprise me with this. It's 5 months before season. A ton of things can happen. What if:Turner looks fantastic in pre-season and soon all people can talk about are Tomlinson's nagging injuries?

The Chiefs draft a backup to Johnson and get a mid-round steal who starts coming on in pre-season camp? Suddenly, Larry can't get his diapers off.

Alexander is fat, dumb and happy with his new contract and Morris starts playing like a man possessed as he sees his dream of an NFL starting gig slipping away?

The Cardnials draft some nice OL guys and suddenly Warner doesn't look so creaky and Edge is back to superstar status?

Gibbs is quoted as saying that Portis is his "new" Riggins and he's going to get the ball until he drops?

All of those things could happen and I'd bet that at least one will.

Too soon to give up if you don't get a top 3 pick this year.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I don't think the top 3 is really as firm as it appears to be. Alexander had a freak season last year. Given his age, he could quickly go the way of Priest Holmes and Marshall Faulk.

Tomlinson is a beast, but he already has an awful lot of mileage. I think he's great, but an injury could happen any minute (true for any player).

Larry Johnson has never been a starter for a full season.

I'm not saying these guys aren't worth the hype, but it's not as if they're bulletproof. Things change quickly in FF. Faulk and Holmes had hard falls from the top. I can definitely see the same happening with one or two of these guys.

Beat me to it.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I'll check back after dinner. Hopefully Ruds will show.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Ruds??

Alot of posting around here and not enough drafting.

 

[Duke1948]

Ruds??

Alot of posting around here and not enough drafting.

no chit !!!

 

[Team Legacy]

I just find it funny that you think you need to find a steal of a RB to compete in WCOFF.

Not referring to you, but too many owners think they're "scouts".

This game isn't that difficult. Pick 20 players that are better than the other guys 20 players.

Use your bidding $ to pick up on free agents, hopefully before the secret is out.

I'm afraid if you wait for your angle, you'll be waiting a long time. Chances are good that you'll never think of an angle others haven't or won't.

I guess my contention is that if you don't get one of the big 3, you have to draft 19 players that are significantly better than the other guys players. Furthermore, I see talent dropoffs just before those at the back of the snake draft in round 1 and round 3. The usual "big 3 WRs" has now become the big 5 or 6 which means one of the first three draft slots gets a shot at a stud WR.If you asked me to rank Moss/TO/CJ/Holt/Harrison/Smith right now, I'd probably wouldn't give you the same answer twice. CJ/Holt/Smith are more reliable, but have team/QB issues that add some uncertainty. Moss/Owens/Harrison would have been in the 4-6 slots back in January, but all have moved up my boards based on free agency.

With the EXCEPTIONAL depth at Running Back this year, I would venture to guess that by the time September rolls around, wideouts will go faster than normal because the tier or RBs are so similar. If you can grab 1 or even 2 of those 7, you're sitting pretty by the time your 3rd and 4th picks are up. Add a stud TE and a RB. Now you're rolling dice with a RB to fill out your lineup while the guys at the top are rolling dice that a WR2 ends up a WR1. Not disagreeing, just discussing.

 

[BassNBrew]

Ruds??

Alot of posting around here and not enough drafting.

F'n staff!

 

[BassNBrew]

I just find it funny that you think you need to find a steal of a RB to compete in WCOFF.

Not referring to you, but too many owners think they're "scouts".

This game isn't that difficult. Pick 20 players that are better than the other guys 20 players.

Use your bidding $ to pick up on free agents, hopefully before the secret is out.

I'm afraid if you wait for your angle, you'll be waiting a long time. Chances are good that you'll never think of an angle others haven't or won't.

I guess my contention is that if you don't get one of the big 3, you have to draft 19 players that are significantly better than the other guys players. Furthermore, I see talent dropoffs just before those at the back of the snake draft in round 1 and round 3. The usual "big 3 WRs" has now become the big 5 or 6 which means one of the first three draft slots gets a shot at a stud WR.

Exactly. You're at an immediate disadvantage...it's like playing Q/10 in hold em against an A/K. Sure you can win, but why pay a large sum of money with a known disadvantage?

You two surprise me with this. It's 5 months before season. A ton of things can happen. What if:Turner looks fantastic in pre-season and soon all people can talk about are Tomlinson's nagging injuries?

The Chiefs draft a backup to Johnson and get a mid-round steal who starts coming on in pre-season camp? Suddenly, Larry can't get his diapers off.

Alexander is fat, dumb and happy with his new contract and Morris starts playing like a man possessed as he sees his dream of an NFL starting gig slipping away?

The Cardnials draft some nice OL guys and suddenly Warner doesn't look so creaky and Edge is back to superstar status?

Gibbs is quoted as saying that Portis is his "new" Riggins and he's going to get the ball until he drops?

All of those things could happen and I'd bet that at least one will.

Too soon to give up if you don't get a top 3 pick this year.

Here's a little side bet for you...pick 3 RBs from this list who's combined points will exceed LT/LJ/SA.1.10 Fiddles - Brian Westbrook, RB10, PHI

1.11 LHUCKS - Willis McGahee, RB11, BUF

1.12 radballs - Ronnie Brown, RB12, MIA

1.13 bicycle seat sniffer - Rudi Johnson, RB13, CIN

1.15 Duke1948 - Kevin Jones, RB14, DET

2.01 Team Legacy - Deuce McAllister, RB15, NO

2.03 EBF - DeShaun Foster, RB16, CAR

If you can't do that, you're starting at a disadvantage.

I'm willing to wager that the six RBs below exceed the output of the first six listed above.

2.04 bicycle seat sniffer - Julius Jones, RB17, DAL

2.06 LHUCKS - Warrick Dunn, RB18, ATL

2.07 Fiddles - Willie Parker, RB19, PIT

2.09 Aaron Rudnicki - Thomas Jones, RB20, CHI

2.11 David Yudkin - Chester Taylor, RB21, MIN

2.13 Jeff Pasquino - Reuben Droughns, RB22, CLE

I'm also willing to bet that you can't pick two WRs from both the top half of this group and the bottom half...

Smith

Holt

Owens

Harrison

CJ

Moss

Unless you can solve the riddles above, what you're really saying is that you will overcome the disadvantage because of sheer luck. Even if you're skilled enough to overcome the disadvantage, you still have something like a 20% vig to hurdle also.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I just find it funny that you think you need to find a steal of a RB to compete in WCOFF.

Not referring to you, but too many owners think they're "scouts".

This game isn't that difficult. Pick 20 players that are better than the other guys 20 players.

Use your bidding $ to pick up on free agents, hopefully before the secret is out.

I'm afraid if you wait for your angle, you'll be waiting a long time. Chances are good that you'll never think of an angle others haven't or won't.

I guess my contention is that if you don't get one of the big 3, you have to draft 19 players that are significantly better than the other guys players. Furthermore, I see talent dropoffs just before those at the back of the snake draft in round 1 and round 3. The usual "big 3 WRs" has now become the big 5 or 6 which means one of the first three draft slots gets a shot at a stud WR.

Exactly. You're at an immediate disadvantage...it's like playing Q/10 in hold em against an A/K. Sure you can win, but why pay a large sum of money with a known disadvantage?

You two surprise me with this. It's 5 months before season. A ton of things can happen. What if:Turner looks fantastic in pre-season and soon all people can talk about are Tomlinson's nagging injuries?

The Chiefs draft a backup to Johnson and get a mid-round steal who starts coming on in pre-season camp? Suddenly, Larry can't get his diapers off.

Alexander is fat, dumb and happy with his new contract and Morris starts playing like a man possessed as he sees his dream of an NFL starting gig slipping away?

The Cardnials draft some nice OL guys and suddenly Warner doesn't look so creaky and Edge is back to superstar status?

Gibbs is quoted as saying that Portis is his "new" Riggins and he's going to get the ball until he drops?

All of those things could happen and I'd bet that at least one will.

Too soon to give up if you don't get a top 3 pick this year.

Here's a little side bet for you...pick 3 RBs from this list who's combined points will exceed LT/LJ/SA.1.10 Fiddles - Brian Westbrook, RB10, PHI

1.11 LHUCKS - Willis McGahee, RB11, BUF

1.12 radballs - Ronnie Brown, RB12, MIA

1.13 bicycle seat sniffer - Rudi Johnson, RB13, CIN

1.15 Duke1948 - Kevin Jones, RB14, DET

2.01 Team Legacy - Deuce McAllister, RB15, NO

2.03 EBF - DeShaun Foster, RB16, CAR

If you can't do that, you're starting at a disadvantage.

I'm willing to wager that the six RBs below exceed the output of the first six listed above.

2.04 bicycle seat sniffer - Julius Jones, RB17, DAL

2.06 LHUCKS - Warrick Dunn, RB18, ATL

2.07 Fiddles - Willie Parker, RB19, PIT

2.09 Aaron Rudnicki - Thomas Jones, RB20, CHI

2.11 David Yudkin - Chester Taylor, RB21, MIN

2.13 Jeff Pasquino - Reuben Droughns, RB22, CLE

I'm also willing to bet that you can't pick two WRs from both the top half of this group and the bottom half...

Smith

Holt

Owens

Harrison

CJ

Moss

Unless you can solve the riddles above, what you're really saying is that you will overcome the disadvantage because of sheer luck. Even if you're skilled enough to overcome the disadvantage, you still have something like a 20% vig to hurdle also.

Just for fun, and remembering that it's April 2nd, I'll say that Brown, Johnson and Foster combine for for points than LT/SA/LJ. Let's keep track and see how it goes.

 

[BassNBrew]

Let's bookmark this CB.

Care to take an attempt at the last piece of the puzzle?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Let's bookmark this CB.

Care to take an attempt at the last piece of the puzzle?

I think you almost have then in order. Moss and CJ should underperform, Harrison and Owens will outperfrom and Smith and Holt will be in the middle.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I just find it funny that you think you need to find a steal of a RB to compete in WCOFF.

Not referring to you, but too many owners think they're "scouts".

This game isn't that difficult. Pick 20 players that are better than the other guys 20 players.

Use your bidding $ to pick up on free agents, hopefully before the secret is out.

I'm afraid if you wait for your angle, you'll be waiting a long time. Chances are good that you'll never think of an angle others haven't or won't.

I guess my contention is that if you don't get one of the big 3, you have to draft 19 players that are significantly better than the other guys players. Furthermore, I see talent dropoffs just before those at the back of the snake draft in round 1 and round 3. The usual "big 3 WRs" has now become the big 5 or 6 which means one of the first three draft slots gets a shot at a stud WR.

Exactly. You're at an immediate disadvantage...it's like playing Q/10 in hold em against an A/K. Sure you can win, but why pay a large sum of money with a known disadvantage?

You two surprise me with this. It's 5 months before season. A ton of things can happen. What if:Turner looks fantastic in pre-season and soon all people can talk about are Tomlinson's nagging injuries?

The Chiefs draft a backup to Johnson and get a mid-round steal who starts coming on in pre-season camp? Suddenly, Larry can't get his diapers off.

Alexander is fat, dumb and happy with his new contract and Morris starts playing like a man possessed as he sees his dream of an NFL starting gig slipping away?

The Cardnials draft some nice OL guys and suddenly Warner doesn't look so creaky and Edge is back to superstar status?

Gibbs is quoted as saying that Portis is his "new" Riggins and he's going to get the ball until he drops?

All of those things could happen and I'd bet that at least one will.

Too soon to give up if you don't get a top 3 pick this year.

Here's a little side bet for you...pick 3 RBs from this list who's combined points will exceed LT/LJ/SA.1.10 Fiddles - Brian Westbrook, RB10, PHI

1.11 LHUCKS - Willis McGahee, RB11, BUF

1.12 radballs - Ronnie Brown, RB12, MIA

1.13 bicycle seat sniffer - Rudi Johnson, RB13, CIN

1.15 Duke1948 - Kevin Jones, RB14, DET

2.01 Team Legacy - Deuce McAllister, RB15, NO

2.03 EBF - DeShaun Foster, RB16, CAR

If you can't do that, you're starting at a disadvantage.

I'm willing to wager that the six RBs below exceed the output of the first six listed above.

2.04 bicycle seat sniffer - Julius Jones, RB17, DAL

2.06 LHUCKS - Warrick Dunn, RB18, ATL

2.07 Fiddles - Willie Parker, RB19, PIT

2.09 Aaron Rudnicki - Thomas Jones, RB20, CHI

2.11 David Yudkin - Chester Taylor, RB21, MIN

2.13 Jeff Pasquino - Reuben Droughns, RB22, CLE

I'm also willing to bet that you can't pick two WRs from both the top half of this group and the bottom half...

Smith

Holt

Owens

Harrison

CJ

Moss

Unless you can solve the riddles above, what you're really saying is that you will overcome the disadvantage because of sheer luck. Even if you're skilled enough to overcome the disadvantage, you still have something like a 20% vig to hurdle also.

I can't come up with a group of 3 in a PPR format that would definitively surpass the "Big 3". My best team would be Westy, Brown and McAllister. Barring injury I see little chance, but I would say those are the best 3 of those 6.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

13.08 QB Matt Schaub

with Volek being taken, don't think I can wait on him much longer

 

[ConstruxBoy]

13.09 - Scottie Vines, WR DET

PMing Fiddles

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

13.08 QB Matt Schaub

with Volek being taken, don't think I can wait on him much longer

Good pick.:scratchingofflist:

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

LHUCKS,

When do you leave on your trip?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Fiddles is offline.

Likely it for tonight.

Hopefully we can get 3-4 rounds done tomorrow.

First post is updated.

We have 6 1/2 rounds to go.

 

[LHUCKS]

LHUCKS,

When do you leave on your trip?

Not until Thursday, but I'll leave a list for my next pick. I'll have net access in Melbourne for about a week before I go to the Great Barrier so we should be okay if we can maintain this pace.

 

[BassNBrew]

It would be great to wrap this up this week. I'm offline all next weekend and then moving the following weekend....just wish I knew where I was moving too.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

It would be great to wrap this up this week. I'm offline all next weekend and then moving the following weekend....just wish I knew where I was moving too.

I can't see this going past Thursday.At 2 rounds a day, it should be Wed.

 

[BassNBrew]

It would be great to wrap this up this week.  I'm offline all next weekend and then moving the following weekend....just wish I knew where I was moving too.

I can't see this going past Thursday.At 2 rounds a day, it should be Wed.

That would be great...life is about to suck for a few weeks for me.

 

[BassNBrew]

I do have to say that I'm pleasantly surprised by the lack of defenses / kickers being drafted. Usually we get teams jumping on them back in the 7th-8th round.

Very tight draft...except for Nall.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I do have to say that I'm pleasantly surprised by the lack of defenses / kickers being drafted. Usually we get teams jumping on them back in the 7th-8th round.

Very tight draft...except for Nall.

SOD.