Peyton Manning will not get to superbowl (1 Viewer)

[njxbean]

Peyton manning playoff performances of the last 3 years when they lost.2002 wild card game:WILD CARD @NYJ L 41-0 14-31 137 yards 0 TDS 2 INTS 2003 playoffs:CONFERENCE @NE L 24-14 23-47 237 yards 1 TDS 4 INTS2004 playoffsIVISIONAL @NE L 20-3 27-42 238 yards 0 TDS 1 INTSEveryone says now that they have a Defense they will go all the way. But in the games against new england, NE didnt score a crazy amount of points. The thing that holds true in all 3 games is that Peyton has had BAD games. Cant say it was NE, because he had a crappy game against the jets. I think he just can not play in the big games. Any thoughts here?

 

[JohnnyU]

Oh, don't look now, but another Peyton Manning bashing thread about to start. He looked pretty good in the home playoff games he's been in, and what's the one common denominator in the games you listed? Yes, they were all road games. I don't know if it's just me, but my guess is they won't have a road playoff game this year.

 

[Raiders Fan]

He punked them in week 9.. In past Manning has struggled against NE and well he went into their home and destroyed them. I am not sure where you going since they are most likely to have homefield through. I think you are here.. How does years past effect this year?? Different teams..

 

[joffer]

if your definition of "big game" includes only those games that the Colts lose, then I suppose you're right.

 

[Mr. Vegas]

Peyton manning playoff performances of the last 3 years when they lost.

2002 wild card game:

WILD CARD @NYJ L 41-0 14-31 137 yards 0 TDS 2 INTS

2003 playoffs:

CONFERENCE @NE L 24-14 23-47 237 yards 1 TDS 4 INTS

2004 playoffs:

DIVISIONAL @NE L 20-3 27-42 238 yards 0 TDS 1 INTS

Everyone says now that they have a Defense they will go all the way. But in the games against new england, NE didnt score a crazy amount of points. The thing that holds true in all 3 games is that Peyton has had BAD games. Cant say it was NE, because he had a crappy game against the jets. I think he just can not play in the big games.

Any thoughts here?

Agree,to a point.Now they have a better 'Dee',therefor He doesn't have to have a huge game for them to win.

 

[thejag]

if your definition of "big game" includes only those games that the Colts lose, then I suppose you're right.

 

[njxbean]

By big game i mean playoff games. Games where if you lose you go home. And every year, he has played poorly. thats all im saying.

 

[DeCleater]

By big game i mean playoff games. Games where if you lose you go home. And every year, he has played poorly. thats all im saying.

Ask the Denver Broncos how he has played in the playoffs. The Colts ARE going to the Super Bowl.

 

[SSOG]

By big game i mean playoff games. Games where if you lose you go home. And every year, he has played poorly. thats all im saying.

Ummm... except for the three "big" playoffs games that he won in the last 2 seasons. You know, the ones where he combined over the 3 for a "perfect" passer rating? I'd say that's playing pretty good in a "big" game.Besides, two of those losses were against New England, and we've all seen what New England has to stop Peyton THIS season.

I think you're right- Manning WON'T go to the superbowl- but not because he "can't win the big game". I think you're right because he's playing in the same conference as Denver.

 

[Ghost Rider]

By big game i mean playoff games. Games where if you lose you go home. And every year, he has played poorly. thats all im saying.

Give me a break. You are obviously one of these fools that considers every playoff game he loses a big game while conveniently ignoring the playoff games he has won. And I am not even a Colts or Manning fan.

 

[Raiders Fan]

By big game i mean playoff games.  Games where if you lose you go home.  And every year, he has played poorly.  thats all im saying.

Give me a break. You are obviously one of these fools that considers every playoff game he loses a big game while conveniently ignoring the playoff games he has won. And I am not even a Colts or Manning fan.

He is only pointing the games out where Manning struggled.. He is fishing here. With obviously nothing but a few games results.. I don'[t see how any of those games make Manning a choke artist in big games..

 

[Keys Myaths]

By big game i mean playoff games. Games where if you lose you go home. And every year, he has played poorly. thats all im saying.

How much of a trip is this?So the playoff games against Denver have been big games?

He goes home if he loses. Seems to me, he did pretty well there.

 

[SofaKings.]

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

One more in case the original poster is stubborn

 

[ztiwomik]

One more in case the original poster is stubborn

So you all are saying that Peyton Manning hasn't choked in the playoffs? Obviously he has had good games, I guess we'll go with the three. But if he is the MVP and the best QB in the game, he hasn't proven it yet and I point to his playoff record. He quite simply hasnt been clutch in the playoffs because he hasnt made it to the superbowl yet.I'm not saying he cant do it and wont do it this year but quite frankly, the guy is right. He hasnt done it yet in the playoffs. Where he went wrong it to say that this is evidence that he wont do it this year. But if he doesnt do it this year, I think that there is going to be a justified label on him of a QB that can't step up in the Big Game.

 

[Ghost Rider]

So you all are saying that Peyton Manning hasn't choked in the playoffs? Obviously he has had good games, I guess we'll go with the three. But if he is the MVP and the best QB in the game, he hasn't proven it yet and I point to his playoff record. He quite simply hasnt been clutch in the playoffs because he hasnt made it to the superbowl yet.

I'm not saying he cant do it and wont do it this year but quite frankly, the guy is right. He hasnt done it yet in the playoffs. Where he went wrong it to say that this is evidence that he wont do it this year. But if he doesnt do it this year, I think that there is going to be a justified label on him of a QB that can't step up in the Big Game.

Manning is in the same situation Favre was in in the mid 90's. Favre was tearing up the league and winning MVP awards, but couldn't beat the Cowboys in the playoffs, so many said he wouldn't be the best until he won a Super Bowl, which he did in January 1997. Manning will probably never have as good a chance to win one as he does this season. But I don't think it is fair to say he hasn't been clutch in the playoffs. The '03 Colts had a terrible defense, yet Manning got them to the AFC title game because of playoff wins against Denver and KC, games in which Manning was flawless.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Can't we save these threads for mid week? Oh and The colts will win the superbowl due, calm down...btw how many of those games were at home with a GREAT defense?

 

[bostonfred]

Hold this thought, there's games on this week. But I'm looking forward to debating this midweek.

 

[Marc Levin]

if your definition of "big game" includes only those games that the Colts lose, then I suppose you're right.

 

[biglare66]

Those games that the Colts lost to New England were AT NE in some really crappy weather. The Colts WILL have home field advantage this year, so there won't be any of that frozen bowl garbage.Don't look now, but the road to the SuperBowl goes through Indy!Is this any surprise?

 

[Genester]

btw how many of those games were at home with a GREAT defense?

I disagree with the original poster's assertion, although that's no different than what Steve Young, John Elway, Brett Favre, and numerous others had to go through. But if you're implying that the Colts have a GREAT defense this year, I have a newsflash for you: great Ds do not allow ~500 yards of offense and 4TDs. They might be good enough, and playing at home helps. GREAT D they are not.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Manning has had the same issues that Marino had in that the teams were not complete (especially defense). Marino didn't have Edge behind him so Manning actually has an advantage in that aspect, but overall Manning has struggled on the road in cold weather. The truth is that last year Manning played pretty well, but the receivers couldn't ctahc as they dropped 7 balls in NE. That was not Mannings fault

 

[djcolts]

Peyton will have this rap until he wins a Super Bowl. That's life - I've accepted that as fact. If/when he does win a Super Bowl, they'll target someone else.

 

[kingmalaki]

Manning didn't have a lot of defensive help in those losses but his offensive help has been tremendous. Sorry, but throwing for 1 td and 7 intros is on the offense, not the defense. I'l give the Manning supporters some leeway and admit that he performed well in some playoff games, but you can't sit here and tell me he didn't choke in the ones where the Colts got knocked out. You would know that if you watched the games, and his numbers in those losses are pretty terd-like.I think Manning is a great QB, but I would definately not consider him to be "clutch" (kinda like the football version of Karl Malone). With that being said, he has a great shot to win this yr and I am kinda pulling for the Clots (moreso because I want to see Dungy win).

 

[Keys Myaths]

Manning didn't have a lot of defensive help in those losses but his offensive help has been tremendous. Sorry, but throwing for 1 td and 7 intros is on the offense, not the defense. I'l give the Manning supporters some leeway and admit that he performed well in some playoff games, but you can't sit here and tell me he didn't choke in the ones where the Colts got knocked out. You would know that if you watched the games, and his numbers in those losses are pretty terd-like.

I think Manning is a great QB, but I would definately not consider him to be "clutch" (kinda like the football version of Karl Malone). With that being said, he has a great shot to win this yr and I am kinda pulling for the Clots (moreso because I want to see Dungy win).

But all those "chokes" were against very good defenses...on the road.Tell me, how many road playoff games do you expect the Colts to play this year?

 

[Pat Patriot]

The Colts most likely will have to win 2 home playoff games against NE and Denver to make the SB. They have a VERY good chance of representing the AFC in the Bowl. If they dont, Manning will be skewered pretty good.

 

[hxperson]

2 out of the 3 losses were against the eventual Super Bowl winner (NE). Most people believe that the Super Bowl winner is the best team in the league for that year. Losing to the best team in the league is not choking, IMO.

 

[Steelers4Life]

if your definition of "big game" includes only those games that the Colts lose, then I suppose you're right.

C'mon, you stole that line from apalmer in one of the Cowher threads... you're better than that!

 

[Steelers4Life]

By big game i mean playoff games.  Games where if you lose you go home.  And every year, he has played poorly.  thats all im saying.

Give me a break. You are obviously one of these fools that considers every playoff game he loses a big game while conveniently ignoring the playoff games he has won. And I am not even a Colts or Manning fan.

Not to hijack this thread, but this is exactly what you did every time you said Bill Cowher has never won a big game. I'd say Cowher has won a fair share of "big" playoff games.Anyways, this Colts team is going to have to lose at home in the playoffs to not make the Super Bowl, and at this point, I don't see a team I'd bet will do it.

That's not to say that there aren't a few teams capable of doing it, just that I wouldn't bet on it.

 

[gman8343]

I've been critical of Manning in the past, but I wouldn't put money against the Colts this year. They look really, really good.

 

[Muahahaha]

Well, you might want to think about putting your money where your mouth is: the Colts are now being priced at a 54% of winning the Super Bowl.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Peyton manning playoff performances of the last 3 years when they lost.

2002 wild card game:

WILD CARD @NYJ L 41-0 14-31 137 yards 0 TDS 2 INTS

2003 playoffs:

CONFERENCE @NE L 24-14 23-47 237 yards 1 TDS 4 INTS

2004 playoffs:

DIVISIONAL @NE L 20-3 27-42 238 yards 0 TDS 1 INTS

Everyone says now that they have a Defense they will go all the way. But in the games against new england, NE didnt score a crazy amount of points. The thing that holds true in all 3 games is that Peyton has had BAD games. Cant say it was NE, because he had a crappy game against the jets. I think he just can not play in the big games.

Any thoughts here?

None of these game were in INDY.Superbowl champions this year.

 

[bostonfred]

2 out of the 3 losses were against the eventual Super Bowl winner (NE). Most people believe that the Super Bowl winner is the best team in the league for that year. Losing to the best team in the league is not choking, IMO.

Leading your team to three points in a season where you threw 49 TDs in 15 games is a choke, though. So is throwing 4 INTs in a playoff game where you completed fewer than 50% of your passes. So is throwing 2 INTs and 0 TDs in a shutout loss against the Jets. Losing to Jay Fiedler, Lamar Smith and the Dolphins while throwing for under 200 yards may not be a choke, but it certainly wasn't good.

 

[bostonfred]

Well, you might want to think about putting your money where your mouth is: the Colts are now being priced at a 54% of winning the Super Bowl.

Where?

 

[cstu]

Manning didn't have a lot of defensive help in those losses but his offensive help has been tremendous. Sorry, but throwing for 1 td and 7 intros is on the offense, not the defense. I'l give the Manning supporters some leeway and admit that he performed well in some playoff games, but you can't sit here and tell me he didn't choke in the ones where the Colts got knocked out. You would know that if you watched the games, and his numbers in those losses are pretty terd-like.

I think Manning is a great QB, but I would definately not consider him to be "clutch" (kinda like the football version of Karl Malone). With that being said, he has a great shot to win this yr and I am kinda pulling for the Clots (moreso because I want to see Dungy win).

But all those "chokes" were against very good defenses...on the road.Tell me, how many road playoff games do you expect the Colts to play this year?

Who is going to beat the Colts at home? Pats Bengals Jags Broncos Chargers

 

[radballs.]

I wonder if we'll ever see the day when wins or losses are attributed to the entire team and not just the quarterback.

 

[djcolts]

I wonder if we'll ever see the day when wins or losses are attributed to the entire team and not just the quarterback.

Only if the D is lights out extraordinary. Otherwise, no.

 

[Muahahaha]

Well, you might want to think about putting your money where your mouth is: the Colts are now being priced at a 54% of winning the Super Bowl.

Where?

Tradesports.com.

 

[radballs.]

I wonder if we'll ever see the day when wins or losses are attributed to the entire team and not just the quarterback.

Only if the D is lights out extraordinary. Otherwise, no.

I agree but it's a shame. Like the 2000 Ravens and the 2005 Bears (if they win it all). I don't understand why there can't be some middle ground there. The Colts defense has been awful prior to this year. Knowing that, it added a tremendous amount of pressure on the offense and quarterback to compensate for that.

 

[bostonfred]

I wonder if we'll ever see the day when wins or losses are attributed to the entire team and not just the quarterback.

Only if the D is lights out extraordinary. Otherwise, no.

I agree but it's a shame. Like the 2000 Ravens and the 2005 Bears (if they win it all). I don't understand why there can't be some middle ground there. The Colts defense has been awful prior to this year. Knowing that, it added a tremendous amount of pressure on the offense and quarterback to compensate for that.

Manning averaged more than 3 TDs a game in 2004. The Colts D held the Patriots to less than 21 points. Manning responded by leading the team to three points. Edgerrin had over 100 total yards in that game. Harrison caught 5 balls for 44 yards on 7 targets. Wayne caught 3 for 35 on 5 targets. Stokley caught 8 for 64 yards on 11 targets. Clark caught 2 for 26 yards on 5 targets.

Who else would you blame that game on?

 

[djcolts]

I wonder if we'll ever see the day when wins or losses are attributed to the entire team and not just the quarterback.

Only if the D is lights out extraordinary. Otherwise, no.

I agree but it's a shame. Like the 2000 Ravens and the 2005 Bears (if they win it all). I don't understand why there can't be some middle ground there. The Colts defense has been awful prior to this year. Knowing that, it added a tremendous amount of pressure on the offense and quarterback to compensate for that.

Manning averaged more than 3 TDs a game in 2004. The Colts D held the Patriots to less than 21 points. Manning responded by leading the team to three points. Edgerrin had over 100 total yards in that game. Harrison caught 5 balls for 44 yards on 7 targets. Wayne caught 3 for 35 on 5 targets. Stokley caught 8 for 64 yards on 11 targets. Clark caught 2 for 26 yards on 5 targets.

Who else would you blame that game on?

Rhodes and Wayne both fumbled (Rhodes' was the turning point of the game). I'd say that at least gets part of it.Edit - Wayne fumble was after the game was out of reach. So, scratch that.

Key Facts: Avg Field position for the Colts - at their own 22 yard line. Best field position - at their own 34. Also - Colts got 3.1 yards a rush, Pats 5.3 yards a rush. Ugh.

 

[nortobc]

I wonder if we'll ever see the day when wins or losses are attributed to the entire team and not just the quarterback.

Only if the D is lights out extraordinary. Otherwise, no.

I agree but it's a shame. Like the 2000 Ravens and the 2005 Bears (if they win it all). I don't understand why there can't be some middle ground there. The Colts defense has been awful prior to this year. Knowing that, it added a tremendous amount of pressure on the offense and quarterback to compensate for that.

Manning averaged more than 3 TDs a game in 2004. The Colts D held the Patriots to less than 21 points. Manning responded by leading the team to three points. Edgerrin had over 100 total yards in that game. Harrison caught 5 balls for 44 yards on 7 targets. Wayne caught 3 for 35 on 5 targets. Stokley caught 8 for 64 yards on 11 targets. Clark caught 2 for 26 yards on 5 targets.

Who else would you blame that game on?

The freezing blizzard, good def coordinator and great defense.

 

[kingmalaki]

Manning didn't have a lot of defensive help in those losses but his offensive help has been tremendous.  Sorry, but throwing for 1 td and 7 intros is on the offense, not the defense.  I'l give the Manning supporters some leeway and admit that he performed well in some playoff games, but you can't sit here and tell me he didn't choke in the ones where the Colts got knocked out.  You would know that if you watched the games, and his numbers in those losses are pretty terd-like.

I think Manning is a great QB, but I would definately not consider him to be "clutch" (kinda like the football version of Karl Malone).  With that being said, he has a great shot to win this yr and I am kinda pulling for the Clots (moreso because I want to see Dungy win).

But all those "chokes" were against very good defenses...on the road.Tell me, how many road playoff games do you expect the Colts to play this year?

Forgive me, as I forgot that great QB's were only counted on to win playoff games against bad defenses at home. For clarification, I am not trying to say Manning is the sole person to blame as football is a team game. However, he clearly played poorly in those games (arguably his biggest moments).

Stop making excuses ("but he wasn't at home, he was in the snow, they were the defending champs, blah blah blah" ) and just admit that he sucked in "those" games. He doesn't suck, but he did in "those" big moments. Putting up those kind of offensive numbers with all the help he has (good line, great RB, great receivers) is shabby, IMO.

Back to the Karla Malone reference, he put up great numbers and his teams won a lot, but when it was time to win IT ALL, he failed. Doing it at the most crucial times seperates stars from superstars. I like his chances this year....

 

[njxbean]

bumpany thoughts?

 

[dickey moe]

It's not all Manning. For some reason, the Indy O-line fails to show up during the playoffs.

 

[jcuadrado]

Manning is a choker...whoever doesn't see it is blind. I've seen numerous bad throws today..

 

[Noahs Troopers]

It's not all Manning. For some reason, the Indy O-line fails to show up during the playoffs.

CHA CHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I was wondering what the Manning apologists would say for his yet garbage playoff game, Manning is a choke artist, it's a FACT.

 

[JZilla]

Is anybody giving any credit to the Steelers? Can I be the first?

 

[Mr.Happy]

It's getting sad at this point. The Colts are the best team of all the playoff teams. Oh well.

 

[dickey moe]

It's not all Manning. For some reason, the Indy O-line fails to show up during the playoffs.

CHA CHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I was wondering what the Manning apologists would say for his yet garbage playoff game, Manning is a choke artist, it's a FACT.

LOL -- I'm hardly a Manning apologist. I was actually rooting for Pittsburgh to win this game. I'm just saying that it's not all Manning's fault -- I realize he'll get the "choker" label as long as he fails to win the big one... ala John Elway.