Peyton Manning (1 Viewer)

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Stop letting yourselves get hooked.

 

[pizzatyme]

Manning's numbers are down due to not having to rely on him the first 5 games. Give him a break. I fully expect his number to dramatically increase over the next 6 games due to the schedule stiffening.

Not having to rely on him? The colts have played 4 close games out of 5 games. They've won those 4 games by a total of 15 points. So Manning was holding back because the colts didn't need him? And he'll get better now that the opponents are tougher? I don't agree that's Peyton has been disappointing, but that's some crazy homer logic there.

It doesn't take crazy homer logic to see that the Colts have been trying to lean on the rushing attack in their first 5 games. They are trying to take pressure off of their defense by shortening the games.Yes, they have relied on PM to WIN the games for them, but not to dominate the games. Am I blind in thinking that?The Colts rushing offense to date has more rushing yards on less carries than the last 2 years if I'm not mistaken. Someone can correct me on that I'm sure. The Colts have less offensive numbers due to the opposition has been able to also run the ball against the Colts defense, thus reducing the Colts offensive opportunities.Maybe my crazy homerism is telling me all of this. But, I will stick to my guns in thinking that with the tougher schedule, the Colts will find themselves behind more often, thus having to throw the ball more often, thus potentially offering Manning and the passing game more opportunities to score, and therefore leaning on Manning a higher percentage of the time.But, hey, I'm a crazy homer, so what do I know more than you, the all-knowing football generalist?

Like I said....Manning's game will pick up once they begin to play their tougher part of their schedule. Geez, give a "crazy homer" some due when he calls it for the team he has followed religiously for 22 years!

 

[LGOA]

all i know is, i'm sick and tired of seeing manning's ugly mug on every other commercial during sundays. If advertisers think i'm going to buy something just because that choke artist is endorsing it, they're on crack. In fact, i might avoid their products because manning endorses them. I hope manning and the colts choke again just to continue the tradition...

so, are you from the north shore or the south shore?

 

[pizzatyme]

Like I mentioned before, I fully expected the offense to have to rely more on Manning against better competition. I think this will continue over the next few weeks.

 

[SSOG]

So what's Manning pacing at now HK???

4320/32/5. Not counting his rushing numbers, of course, because everyone knows that rushing numbers for a QB are irrelevant and don't count.

Update: Manning is now on pace for 4582/34/6 passing. That would be a career-high yardage number (ahead of the ridiculous 2004 campaign), the second-highest TD number of his career (behind the ridiculous 2004 campaign), and the lowest INT number of his career (below the 10 that he's posted every year for the past 3 years, despite the fact that he's on pace for the most attempts in 3 years).Oh, and even if he doesn't run for another yard all season, there's the two rushing TDs, too.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

Again, people are just overreacting to the general offensive downswing around the league this year. It was tough to see coming, so I can't say I blame them, but it's time to face the facts.

If you adjust for the current environment, Manning's numbers so far may actually be even more impressive than just about any other season besides 2004. I can't say for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Also, Peyton has never finished as QB1 in a season. You draft him for consistency. I didn't consider him worthy of a first-round pick before the season, since it's rare for a QB to actually produce first-round stats...but looking at it now, you would certainly take him over Alexander or Jordan or Caddy or Edge. There are also guys like Tiki, Ronnie, Portis, and SJax - depending on your league scoring, any or all of them could be very close to Manning in overall value as well.

Basically, his numbers have improved from last year while most players' have gotten worse.

Who beat out Manning in 2004?

 

[SSOG]

Again, people are just overreacting to the general offensive downswing around the league this year. It was tough to see coming, so I can't say I blame them, but it's time to face the facts.

If you adjust for the current environment, Manning's numbers so far may actually be even more impressive than just about any other season besides 2004. I can't say for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Also, Peyton has never finished as QB1 in a season. You draft him for consistency. I didn't consider him worthy of a first-round pick before the season, since it's rare for a QB to actually produce first-round stats...but looking at it now, you would certainly take him over Alexander or Jordan or Caddy or Edge. There are also guys like Tiki, Ronnie, Portis, and SJax - depending on your league scoring, any or all of them could be very close to Manning in overall value as well.

Basically, his numbers have improved from last year while most players' have gotten worse.

Who beat out Manning in 2004?

Daunte Culpepper, who had possibly the second best QB season of all time, but had the misfortune of having it in the same year that Peyton had the greatest of all time.In 2004, Culpepper had 4717 yards passing (Manning: 4557), an Int per 49.8 attempts (Manning: 1 per 49.7), and 89/406/2 rushing (Manning: 25/38/0). If it weren't for Manning's 10 extra passing TDs (Culpepper had 39 to Manning's 49), C'Pep would have blown him out of the water. As it stood, Culpepper won by 16 fantasy points, and they both finished #1 and #2 in season-ending VBD.

Of course, what's usually not mentioned is that, if Manning hadn't sat down in a meaningless week 17 game, he probably would have outscored Culpepper that year.

 

[H.K.]

Anyone else concerned about the 50% drop in TD pass production from Week 8 to Week 9? Pretty big drop for one week....

 

[Stinger Ray]

Anyone else concerned about the 50% drop in TD pass production from Week 8 to Week 9? Pretty big drop for one week....

There is no pissing in the Shark Pool.

 

[H.K.]

Anyone else concerned about the 50% drop in TD pass production from Week 8 to Week 9? Pretty big drop for one week....

There is no pissing in the Shark Pool.

Another 50% drop from Week 9 to Week 10.Anyone else jumping ship while Peyton still has name value? This negative trend is getting costly....

 

[JohnnyU]

Anyone else concerned about the 50% drop in TD pass production from Week 8 to Week 9? Pretty big drop for one week....

There is no pissing in the Shark Pool.

Another 50% drop from Week 9 to Week 10.Anyone else jumping ship while Peyton still has name value? This negative trend is getting costly....

 

[H.K.]

Bumping for an important update:

Interesting Fact #1:

Tony Romo had as many TD passes on Thursday as Peyton had in his last three games combined!!!!

Interesting Fact #2:

Peyton has never finished a season as the #1 FF QB.

OK guys, for those of you who aren't past your trade deadlines, we need to discuss who we can get for Peyton. I am looking for QB's on teams that pass the ball and have good WR's so I am targeting: Romo, Brees, & Delhomme. Any others?

 

[Stinger Ray]

Bumping for an important update:Interesting Fact #1:Tony Romo had as many TD passes on Thursday as Peyton had in his last three games combined!!!!Interesting Fact #2eyton has never finished a season as the #1 FF QB.OK guys, for those of you who aren't past your trade deadlines, we need to discuss who we can get for Peyton. I am looking for QB's on teams that pass the ball and have good WR's so I am targeting: Romo, Brees, & Delhomme. Any others?

 

[H.K.]

Well, No way Manning throws a TD pass tonight, that will really drive down his trade value now.

As bad as Delhomme was, at least he threw a TD.

Maybe Vince Young owners will think this week was a fluke and take Peyton in exchange for him. Thoughts?

 

[Marc Levin]

Again, people are just overreacting to the general offensive downswing around the league this year. It was tough to see coming, so I can't say I blame them, but it's time to face the facts.

If you adjust for the current environment, Manning's numbers so far may actually be even more impressive than just about any other season besides 2004. I can't say for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Also, Peyton has never finished as QB1 in a season. You draft him for consistency. I didn't consider him worthy of a first-round pick before the season, since it's rare for a QB to actually produce first-round stats...but looking at it now, you would certainly take him over Alexander or Jordan or Caddy or Edge. There are also guys like Tiki, Ronnie, Portis, and SJax - depending on your league scoring, any or all of them could be very close to Manning in overall value as well.

Basically, his numbers have improved from last year while most players' have gotten worse.

Who beat out Manning in 2004?

Daunte Culpepper, who had possibly the second best QB season of all time, but had the misfortune of having it in the same year that Peyton had the greatest of all time.In 2004, Culpepper had 4717 yards passing (Manning: 4557), an Int per 49.8 attempts (Manning: 1 per 49.7), and 89/406/2 rushing (Manning: 25/38/0). If it weren't for Manning's 10 extra passing TDs (Culpepper had 39 to Manning's 49), C'Pep would have blown him out of the water. As it stood, Culpepper won by 16 fantasy points, and they both finished #1 and #2 in season-ending VBD.

Of course, what's usually not mentioned is that, if Manning hadn't sat down in a meaningless week 17 game, he probably would have outscored Culpepper that year.

Actually, what's not usually mentioned is that Manning was the #1 QB in 2004 in 6/pass TD leagues. He was also #1 in two or three other years in 6/pass TD leagues.

 

[Marc Levin]

Bumping for an important update:Interesting Fact #1:Tony Romo had as many TD passes on Thursday as Peyton had in his last three games combined!!!!Interesting Fact #2eyton has never finished a season as the #1 FF QB.OK guys, for those of you who aren't past your trade deadlines, we need to discuss who we can get for Peyton. I am looking for QB's on teams that pass the ball and have good WR's so I am targeting: Romo, Brees, & Delhomme. Any others?

H.K. = colts hater.hates on Manning.hates on Harrison.I think he owns Wayne b/c that seems to be the only Colt he ever praises.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

This thread needs to be closed.

 

[H.K.]

Here's an update on Manning's collapse:

Weeks 1-9 he averaged 286 yards and over 2 TD's passing per game (and ran in two scores)

Weeks 10-12 his passing numbers have plummeted to a mere 224 yards per game and barely one TD a week. Obviously, none of his rushing has offset the dramatic implosion of his throwing stats.

Fo those of you expecting a turnaround this week, you need to look for other options. Peyton only threw for 166 yards the last time he faced Tennessee.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

I reiterate,

"This thread needs to be closed."

 

[H.K.]

I reiterate, "This thread needs to be closed."

Why would the thread get locked? Manning's FF PPG have dropped ~35-40% in most scoring systems over the past three weeks. Its hard numbers that are indisputable evidence of the fact that he is drastically underperforming.

 

[CalBear]

I reiterate, "This thread needs to be closed."

Why would the thread get locked? Manning's FF PPG have dropped ~35-40% in most scoring systems over the past three weeks. Its hard numbers that are indisputable evidence of the fact that he is drastically underperforming.

I don't think the thread needs to be locked; HK just needs to be banned for trolling.

 

[H.K.]

I don't think the thread needs to be locked; HK just needs to be banned for trolling.

Over the past three weeks, FBG ranks Manning as QB16 in its scoring system, not even worthy of starter status. How is this trolling and not worthy of discussion about whether or not he can rebound or if we can expect him to stay in this rut?

 

[CalBear]

How is this trolling and not worthy of discussion about whether or not he can rebound or if we can expect him to stay in this rut?

Evidence: This entire thread.Corroborating evidence: The Gates thread.

 

[pizzatyme]

H.K. you're embarrassing yourself with this silly hatred of Manning and the Colts.

The problem with your "last 3 weeks" argument is that you've been saying this crap nearly all season. PM is an elite QB. If you want to trade him, go ahead fella. But quit pissing in the pool.

 

[thayman]

H.K. you're embarrassing yourself with this silly hatred of Manning and the Colts.The problem with your "last 3 weeks" argument is that you've been saying this crap nearly all season. PM is an elite QB. If you want to trade him, go ahead fella. But quit pissing in the pool.

 

[H.K.]

H.K. you're embarrassing yourself with this silly hatred of Manning and the Colts.The problem with your "last 3 weeks" argument is that you've been saying this crap nearly all season. PM is an elite QB. If you want to trade him, go ahead fella. But quit pissing in the pool.

Couple things here:1) I do not hate the Colts. I just posted in another thread that I think they have a good chance to win it all if they can get SD at home in the AFC Championship game.2) I started the thread after his poor passing start, which was statistically on pace for career lows for him. This is an FF site and numbers don't lie, so my assertions at the time were 100% accurate.3) Instead of starting a new thread on the topic, I bumped an old one after Manning entered his recent swoon. Again, statistically and based on his past performance from an FF standpoint, Manning has been been subpar, not only by his lofty standards, but now compared to most other QB's in the league.I am looking for reasons why his performance has been so mediocre lately (which is indisputable), and I am confused why nobody can offer reasons for his poor outcomes, but instead bash me for bringing it up. I would love to hear from anyone who thinks he can turn it around, and why, or if if others like myself, expect Indy to keep using Addai as their primary offensive weapon.

 

[H.K.]

Evidence: This entire thread.

Statistically, numbers backed me at the time of the intitial post

Corroborating evidence: The Gates thread.

Double : My stance that Gates will not be a #1 TE has held true all year, and he is barely Top 5.

Not sure what point you're trying to make here...

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Peyton Manning is the #1 QB in my league.....I see no problem with his performance.....that is what we are all getting at. You are complaining about nothing.

 

[JohnnyU]

I feel like I need a shower after reading this thread.

 

[thayman]

H.K. you're embarrassing yourself with this silly hatred of Manning and the Colts.The problem with your "last 3 weeks" argument is that you've been saying this crap nearly all season. PM is an elite QB. If you want to trade him, go ahead fella. But quit pissing in the pool.

Couple things here:1) I do not hate the Colts. I just posted in another thread that I think they have a good chance to win it all if they can get SD at home in the AFC Championship game.2) I started the thread after his poor passing start, which was statistically on pace for career lows for him. This is an FF site and numbers don't lie, so my assertions at the time were 100% accurate.3) Instead of starting a new thread on the topic, I bumped an old one after Manning entered his recent swoon. Again, statistically and based on his past performance from an FF standpoint, Manning has been been subpar, not only by his lofty standards, but now compared to most other QB's in the league.I am looking for reasons why his performance has been so mediocre lately (which is indisputable), and I am confused why nobody can offer reasons for his poor outcomes, but instead bash me for bringing it up. I would love to hear from anyone who thinks he can turn it around, and why, or if if others like myself, expect Indy to keep using Addai as their primary offensive weapon.

He is at worst top 3 QB in every league I am in. He is 3rd in passing yards, 2nd in Passing TDs, 2nd in QB rating. Turn what around?? He isn't going to throw for 300+ yds and 3 TDs every game. Currently he is on pace for 28 TDs (same as last year) 3952 yards (more than last year) and 8 INTs (less than last year). His "swoon" as you put it, puts him at better stats than the year before. I only hope that all of my fantasy football players enter a similar "swoon" next year.

 

[BigRed]

Curse the few minutes I'll never get back browsing this. This actually makes me want to go find some work to do.

Although lol @ all the people taking it even semi-seriously. I guess it had just a tiny bit of redeeming value in that regard.

 

[H.K.]

Another 1 TD game out of Peyton today. This guy is killing me!

I thought I did the shark move when I traded my Mom for him in exchange for Vick, but its really backfired.

 

[H.K.]

OK. This is ridiculous.

Two TD passes in the past three games.

Now that the Colts' season is over, will they finally open up the offense and see if Peyton can still get it done anymore?

It would only make sense to use these last three games as an audition for him and let him know that unless he can pick it up, they'll go in another direction.

Thoughts?

 

[Banger]

Thoughts?

 

[H.K.]

Thoughts?

2 TD passes in 3 games, only 5 in his last 5 games and Manning is back on pace for one of his lowest amount of TD passes in a season. Why is this topic the big elephant in the room nobody wants to talk about?

 

[Kleck]

Why is this topic the big elephant in the room nobody wants to talk about?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------									 Pass Pass Pass Pass Pass Rush  Rush  Rush  Fum   Fan  # Pos Quarterback		   NFL GP  Att Comp  Yds  TDs  Int  Att   Yds   TDs Lost   Pts--- --- --------------------- --- -- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----- ----- ---- -----  1 QB  Brees,Drew			NO  13  480  319 4039   25   10   35	30	 0	3 295.3  2 QB  Manning,Peyton		IND 13  457  290 3628   22	9   19	16	 3	1 280.3  3 QB  Vick,Michael		  ATL 13  331  172 2047   15   10  108   934	 2	3 258.2  4 QB  Palmer,Carson		 CIN 13  414  269 3400   24   11   21	21	 0	6 257.5  5 QB  Bulger,Marc		   STL 13  498  315 3528   19	8   15	17	 0	3 246.4  6 QB  Kitna,Jon			 DET 13  483  301 3484   14   19   21	98	 2	7 233.2  7 QB  McNabb,Donovan		PHI 10  316  180 2647   18	6   32   212	 3	2 231.9  8 QB  Brady,Tom			 NE  13  431  261 2950   20   12   36	70	 0	4 222.8  9 QB  Favre,Brett		   GB  13  484  276 3141   17   12   21	30	 1	5 222.3 10 QB  Manning,Eli		   NYG 13  431  252 2787   22   15   21	23	 0	2 215.0

It's called variability. It happens. If you want to caught up in tiny sample sizes feel free to run wild with it, but don't expect anyone else to join in.

 

[Banger]

Thoughts?

2 TD passes in 3 games, only 5 in his last 5 games and Manning is back on pace for one of his lowest amount of TD passes in a season. Why is this topic the big elephant in the room nobody wants to talk about?

It is what it is. Manning is a great fantasy QB. They are going through a rough stretch but it happens. He still threw for 300+ and 350+ yards his last 2 games and ran for a TD which you conveniently forgot. 3 weeks ago Manning didn't throw because they could run all day and night and did. Brady has 1 td and 3 picks over his last 3 games, it happens. I realize you like to take unpopular opinions (Winslow > Gates, how's that workin?) and that's fine but Manning is a few points behind Brees in my league as the #2 QB. He's not having an MVP year (although he was the 1st half) but he's by no means a bust.

 

[Banger]

Why is this topic the big elephant in the room nobody wants to talk about?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------									 Pass Pass Pass Pass Pass Rush  Rush  Rush  Fum   Fan  # Pos Quarterback		   NFL GP  Att Comp  Yds  TDs  Int  Att   Yds   TDs Lost   Pts--- --- --------------------- --- -- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----- ----- ---- -----  1 QB  Brees,Drew			NO  13  480  319 4039   25   10   35	30	 0	3 295.3  2 QB  Manning,Peyton		IND 13  457  290 3628   22	9   19	16	 3	1 280.3  3 QB  Vick,Michael		  ATL 13  331  172 2047   15   10  108   934	 2	3 258.2  4 QB  Palmer,Carson		 CIN 13  414  269 3400   24   11   21	21	 0	6 257.5  5 QB  Bulger,Marc		   STL 13  498  315 3528   19	8   15	17	 0	3 246.4  6 QB  Kitna,Jon			 DET 13  483  301 3484   14   19   21	98	 2	7 233.2  7 QB  McNabb,Donovan		PHI 10  316  180 2647   18	6   32   212	 3	2 231.9  8 QB  Brady,Tom			 NE  13  431  261 2950   20   12   36	70	 0	4 222.8  9 QB  Favre,Brett		   GB  13  484  276 3141   17   12   21	30	 1	5 222.3 10 QB  Manning,Eli		   NYG 13  431  252 2787   22   15   21	23	 0	2 215.0

It's called variability. It happens. If you want to caught up in tiny sample sizes feel free to run wild with it, but don't expect anyone else to join in.

LOL, posted the same thing just not as succinctly.

 

[H.K.]

It's called variability. It happens. If you want to caught up in tiny sample sizes feel free to run wild with it, but don't expect anyone else to join in.

Five straight weeks isn't a small sample size, nor is it variability, its become reliability.

 

[Banger]

It's called variability. It happens. If you want to caught up in tiny sample sizes feel free to run wild with it, but don't expect anyone else to join in.

Five straight weeks isn't a small sample size, nor is it variability, its become reliability.

You're right Manning now stinks. I'll remember that next year.It's odd, looking back over the thread I didn't see much posting during the 3 weeks after you created the thread when he went for 342-4, 345-3 and 326-2. Probably coincidence though.

 

[H.K.]

It's called variability. It happens. If you want to caught up in tiny sample sizes feel free to run wild with it, but don't expect anyone else to join in.

Five straight weeks isn't a small sample size, nor is it variability, its become reliability.

You're right Manning now stinks. I'll remember that next year.

Next year they may change the play calling to pass more, or Peyton may get some younger weapons to offset Harrison's drop off. People depending on Peyton for this season are screwed though.

 

[Big Score]

It's called variability. It happens. If you want to caught up in tiny sample sizes feel free to run wild with it, but don't expect anyone else to join in.

Five straight weeks isn't a small sample size, nor is it variability, its become reliability.

You're suggesting we listen & pay heed to your 5 game sample size of a player, when a 141 game sample size of the same player, is available?Why on earth, would anybody in their right mind do that?

 

[H.K.]

It's called variability. It happens. If you want to caught up in tiny sample sizes feel free to run wild with it, but don't expect anyone else to join in.

Five straight weeks isn't a small sample size, nor is it variability, its become reliability.

You're suggesting we listen & pay heed to your 5 game sample size of a player, when a 141 game sample size of the same player, is available?Why on earth, would anybody in their right mind do that?

Because what he does in the next two weeks are more important for this year's FF season than anything he has done previously?

 

[salmonstud]

I'm sure this is just a H.K. fishing trip.....but I'll respond anyways. Manning's performance against the Bengals this Monday will propel many fantasy owners into their FF Super Bowls. 320 yards & 3 TD's....book it.

 

[H.K.]

I'm sure this is just a H.K. fishing trip.....but I'll respond anyways. Manning's performance against the Bengals this Monday will propel many fantasy owners into their FF Super Bowls. 320 yards & 3 TD's....book it.

:( He hasn't thrown 3 TD passes in three weeks.....I'd be shocked if he threw one.

 

[j3r3m3y]

It's called variability. It happens. If you want to caught up in tiny sample sizes feel free to run wild with it, but don't expect anyone else to join in.

Five straight weeks isn't a small sample size, nor is it variability, its become reliability.

You're right Manning now stinks. I'll remember that next year.

Next year they may change the play calling to pass more, or Peyton may get some younger weapons to offset Harrison's drop off. People depending on Peyton for this season are screwed though.

He is the #2 QB going into this week...Aren't you the guy who said Gates wouldn't finish in the top 5 for TE's? Then you went .

 

[H.K.]

Aren't you the guy who said Gates wouldn't finish in the top 5 for TE's? Then you went .

Yes and no. Last time I checked, the season ain't over (except for the Colts), so Gates won't come close to a Top 5 season.

 

[j3r3m3y]

Aren't you the guy who said Gates wouldn't finish in the top 5 for TE's? Then you went .

Yes and no. Last time I checked, the season ain't over (except for the Colts), so Gates won't come close to a Top 5 season.

 

[thayman]

I'm sure this is just a H.K. fishing trip.....but I'll respond anyways. Manning's performance against the Bengals this Monday will propel many fantasy owners into their FF Super Bowls. 320 yards & 3 TD's....book it.

He hasn't thrown 3 TD passes in three weeks.....I'd be shocked if he threw one.

I will take any bet you wish to propose That Manning will throw at least one TD this week. Put your money where your mouth is.

 

[Big Score]

It's called variability. It happens. If you want to caught up in tiny sample sizes feel free to run wild with it, but don't expect anyone else to join in.

Five straight weeks isn't a small sample size, nor is it variability, its become reliability.

You're suggesting we listen & pay heed to your 5 game sample size of a player, when a 141 game sample size of the same player, is available?Why on earth, would anybody in their right mind do that?

Because what he does in the next two weeks are more important for this year's FF season than anything he has done previously?

Ok, now I'm really confused HK.

#1)

Are you saying we SHOULD NOT look at what's he's done previously, to figure out what he's likely to do these next 2 games?

~ Or ~

#2)

Are you saying we should not look at what he's done previously EXCEPT FOR THE FEW GAMES YOU WANT US TO, to figure out what he's likely to do these next 2 games?