Phillip Rivers (1 Viewer)

[Sweetness_34]

Suckage in 1st week against Bears

Suckage in 2nd week against Pats....3 turnovers all by him tonight (2 ints, 1 fumble lost)

Let's see how much outrage he gets compared to the typical hatred that someone like Grossman gets for turnovers. :X

How will the Chargers ever win a SB with this guy as their QB?

PS: My personal opinion is these are 2 tough defenses so some of it is expected. But that excuse never flies for Grossman when he turned the ball to Miami or Pats or Chargers.

 

[MaddHatter]

I think this post should be aimed at Norv Turner.

We all know how "good" he is at screwing up good situations.

 

[duaneok66]

Suckage in 1st week against BearsSuckage in 2nd week against Pats....3 turnovers all by him tonight (2 ints, 1 fumble lost)Let's see how much outrage he gets compared to the typical hatred that someone like Grossman gets for turnovers. :X How will the Chargers ever win a SB with this guy as their QB?

you have to admit - it's against two pretty good defenses, but I see your point . . .

 

[Sweetness_34]

I think this post should be aimed at Norv Turner. We all know how "good" he is at screwing up good situations.

Excuse #1 for not blaming Rivers.

 

[MaddHatter]

Check Turner's track record as a HC. It is far from an excuse. Point out where I said Rivers is the next best thing since sliced bread. Where?

Norv Turner is the ultimate culprit.

 

[Sweetness_34]

Suckage in 1st week against BearsSuckage in 2nd week against Pats....3 turnovers all by him tonight (2 ints, 1 fumble lost)Let's see how much outrage he gets compared to the typical hatred that someone like Grossman gets for turnovers. :X How will the Chargers ever win a SB with this guy as their QB?

you have to admit - it's against two pretty good defenses, but I see your point . . .

Duane - I was actually editing my 1st post with that admission. Agreed. But the peanut gallery never cared for that before so why should it now?

 

[Sweetness_34]

Check Turner's track record as a HC. It is far from an excuse. Point out where I said Rivers is the next best thing since sliced bread. Where?Norv Turner is the ultimate culprit.

Excuse #1 continues....

 

[MaddHatter]

Check Turner's track record as a HC. It is far from an excuse. Point out where I said Rivers is the next best thing since sliced bread. Where?Norv Turner is the ultimate culprit.

Excuse #1 continues....

I see nothing from your side as in terms of a rebuttal...

 

[Young 8]

S.Diego looks worse than N.Orleans

 

[Sweetness_34]

Check Turner's track record as a HC. It is far from an excuse. Point out where I said Rivers is the next best thing since sliced bread. Where?Norv Turner is the ultimate culprit.

Excuse #1 continues....

I see nothing from your side as in terms of a rebuttal...

So can we blame Ron Turner then for Grossman's issues? See it works both ways.... And Ron is Norv's brother so it is not that far fetched either

 

[Sweetness_34]

S.Diego looks worse than N.Orleans

The only reason they won against the Bears last week was because a punt hit the TV wire on the field and hit a Bear causing a turnover; followed by 2 fumbles from Bear RBs. Otherwise there was no where they would have scored a single point last week.

 

[greenroom]

Check Turner's track record as a HC. It is far from an excuse. Point out where I said Rivers is the next best thing since sliced bread. Where?Norv Turner is the ultimate culprit.

Excuse #1 continues....

I see nothing from your side as in terms of a rebuttal...

So can we blame Ron Turner then for Grossman's issues? See it works both ways.... And Ron is Norv's brother so it is not that far fetched either

 

[MaddHatter]

S.Diego looks worse than N.Orleans

The only reason they won against the Bears last week was because a punt hit the TV wire on the field and hit a Bear causing a turnover; followed by 2 fumbles from Bear RBs. Otherwise there was no where they would have scored a single point last week.

Grossman looks bad, worse than Rivers and nothing about Rivers is enticing. To me, it sounds like you are still disappointed after last week, and if you are glad to have Grossman leading your Bears, than so be it, but good luck ever winning a Super Bowl. I have no reason to hate either QB, but seriously, Grossman is terrible and this post makes me think you are fishing. Rivers looks terrible tonight but the fact is that I would never want him over Rivers to be my QB, if I were an NFL GM. We could speculate all day, all night on the what if's of this, but last time I checked, neither have proved anything, and no, Grossman didn't lead the Bears to the Super Bowl, the defense did.

 

[Big Score]

Check Turner's track record as a HC. It is far from an excuse. Point out where I said Rivers is the next best thing since sliced bread. Where?Norv Turner is the ultimate culprit.

Excuse #1 continues....

I see nothing from your side as in terms of a rebuttal...

Didn't Norv get the Skins to the playoffs a couple of times with such world class talent as Michael Westbrook & Albert Connell at WR? In fact, he coached a tandem 1,000 yard season out of those two turds. Dunno about you, but that impressed the snot out of me.

 

[MaddHatter]

First off, Rivers hasn't led up to his hype, yet his career is still what, 21 games deep. Grossman too, he is just like 26 deep I think now.

Grossman's TD-INT ratio is worse than Rivers in a relatively similar career span (game-wise).

Grossman's completion % is weaker, as is his passer rating during the same span (difference of 5 games).

Also, I think we can all be in agreement that Rivers has faced superior talent in his short career, compared to Grossman's short career, so one would think his overall numbers would be worse, but they are better.

Then again, we can impose the LT-Gates factor, but in Grossman's regard, T.Jones-Benson is not a bad combo either (not as good as LT though), plus the Bears have more of a fierce defense. Face it, the Chargers secondary is bad, regardless of how many first day picks they spend on fixing it up. I would also take the Bears WRs (Muhammad, Berrian, Bradley, Davis) over the Chargers (McCardell, Caldwell, Jackson, Floyd) too (through the short careers of both).

I still think you are fishing because when it comes to the tale of the tape and numbers, Grossman doesn't measure up to Rivers, albeit against weaker NFC competition.

My humble opinion.

 

[fsufan]

I think this post should be aimed at Norv Turner. We all know how "good" he is at screwing up good situations.

It should be aimed at SD's GM. Marty should still be the HC

 

[BuckeyeArt]

Suckage in 1st week against BearsSuckage in 2nd week against Pats....3 turnovers all by him tonight (2 ints, 1 fumble lost)Let's see how much outrage he gets compared to the typical hatred that someone like Grossman gets for turnovers. How will the Chargers ever win a SB with this guy as their QB?PS: My personal opinion is these are 2 tough defenses so some of it is expected. But that excuse never flies for Grossman when he turned the ball to Miami or Pats or Chargers.

Rivers has about a 2% career int rate. Grossman has almost a 4% rate. Why would anyone compare them?

 

[MaddHatter]

Suckage in 1st week against BearsSuckage in 2nd week against Pats....3 turnovers all by him tonight (2 ints, 1 fumble lost)Let's see how much outrage he gets compared to the typical hatred that someone like Grossman gets for turnovers. How will the Chargers ever win a SB with this guy as their QB?PS: My personal opinion is these are 2 tough defenses so some of it is expected. But that excuse never flies for Grossman when he turned the ball to Miami or Pats or Chargers.

Rivers has about a 2% career int rate. Grossman has almost a 4% rate. Why would anyone compare them?

Grossman - 28 Tds/29 Ints in 26 gamesRivers - 23 Tds/13 Ints in 22 games (including tonight at NE)For comparison's sake. Numbers would get bigger if we included lost fumbles.

 

[the spanker]

Check Turner's track record as a HC. It is far from an excuse. Point out where I said Rivers is the next best thing since sliced bread. Where?Norv Turner is the ultimate culprit.

Excuse #1 continues....

I see nothing from your side as in terms of a rebuttal...

So can we blame Ron Turner then for Grossman's issues? See it works both ways.... And Ron is Norv's brother so it is not that far fetched either

You tell'em bother

 

[Tau837]

Suckage in 1st week against BearsSuckage in 2nd week against Pats....3 turnovers all by him tonight (2 ints, 1 fumble lost)Let's see how much outrage he gets compared to the typical hatred that someone like Grossman gets for turnovers. How will the Chargers ever win a SB with this guy as their QB?PS: My personal opinion is these are 2 tough defenses so some of it is expected. But that excuse never flies for Grossman when he turned the ball to Miami or Pats or Chargers.

What is your point? To give Grossman some kind of backhanded defense because there is another touted young QB who has played poorly in the first two games?Rivers has played two of the best defenses in the league and has looked pretty poor in doing it. Even so, he has put up QB ratings of 73.3 and 74.2. Compare those to Grossman's 53.7 and 56.0, even though Grossman has had an easier schedule thus far.Would you rather have Grossman starting for the Bears than Rivers? Didn't think so.

 

[Capella]

S.Diego looks worse than N.Orleans

The only reason they won against the Bears last week was because a punt hit the TV wire on the field and hit a Bear causing a turnover; followed by 2 fumbles from Bear RBs. Otherwise there was no where they would have scored a single point last week.

my team lost when the ball hit the TV wire

 

[Steeler07]

Suckage in 1st week against BearsSuckage in 2nd week against Pats....3 turnovers all by him tonight (2 ints, 1 fumble lost)Let's see how much outrage he gets compared to the typical hatred that someone like Grossman gets for turnovers. How will the Chargers ever win a SB with this guy as their QB?PS: My personal opinion is these are 2 tough defenses so some of it is expected. But that excuse never flies for Grossman when he turned the ball to Miami or Pats or Chargers.

Grossman has been injured or sucking the joint for how many years now?What is your point anyway? Maybe he takes more heat, but he sucks anyway.

 

[Tau837]

S.Diego looks worse than N.Orleans

The only reason they won against the Bears last week was because a punt hit the TV wire on the field and hit a Bear causing a turnover; followed by 2 fumbles from Bear RBs. Otherwise there was no where they would have scored a single point last week.

Take off the homer glasses. SD missed a FG, got robbed on the 1 yard line on a phantom fumble, and kneeled down at the end of the game inside the 10 after 8 straight running plays. They could have easily put up another 10 points. And the Bears got their single whopping FG after taking over at the SD 36, so the argument you are using applies more to your own team than to the Chargers.

 

[zoonation]

S.Diego looks worse than N.Orleans

The only reason they won against the Bears last week was because a punt hit the TV wire on the field and hit a Bear causing a turnover; followed by 2 fumbles from Bear RBs. Otherwise there was no where they would have scored a single point last week.

your shtick is seriously pathetic. I still think the Bears are the best team in the NFC, but they got beat by SD. I mean seriously, they couldn't even score.The Bears will struggle against good D's and need turnovers to win. The friggin Chiefs hung with them. Grossman sucks, deal with it. rivers sucks too, point taken, but Grossman is worse.

 

[The Gator]

First off, Rivers hasn't led up to his hype, yet his career is still what, 21 games deep. Grossman too, he is just like 26 deep I think now.Grossman's TD-INT ratio is worse than Rivers in a relatively similar career span (game-wise).Grossman's completion % is weaker, as is his passer rating during the same span (difference of 5 games).Also, I think we can all be in agreement that Rivers has faced superior talent in his short career, compared to Grossman's short career, so one would think his overall numbers would be worse, but they are better.Then again, we can impose the LT-Gates factor, but in Grossman's regard, T.Jones-Benson is not a bad combo either (not as good as LT though), plus the Bears have more of a fierce defense. Face it, the Chargers secondary is bad, regardless of how many first day picks they spend on fixing it up. I would also take the Bears WRs (Muhammad, Berrian, Bradley, Davis) over the Chargers (McCardell, Caldwell, Jackson, Floyd) too (through the short careers of both).I still think you are fishing because when it comes to the tale of the tape and numbers, Grossman doesn't measure up to Rivers, albeit against weaker NFC competition.My humble opinion.

 

[mad sweeney]

S.Diego looks worse than N.Orleans

The only reason they won against the Bears last week was because a punt hit the TV wire on the field and hit a Bear causing a turnover; followed by 2 fumbles from Bear RBs. Otherwise there was no where they would have scored a single point last week.

They would've scored from the one but the refs decided not to call a guy offsides on a fumble, and don't even argue that he wasn't offsides becuase he was WAY offsides.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Suckage in 1st week against BearsSuckage in 2nd week against Pats....3 turnovers all by him tonight (2 ints, 1 fumble lost)Let's see how much outrage he gets compared to the typical hatred that someone like Grossman gets for turnovers. How will the Chargers ever win a SB with this guy as their QB?PS: My personal opinion is these are 2 tough defenses so some of it is expected. But that excuse never flies for Grossman when he turned the ball to Miami or Pats or Chargers.

Somewhere, Jeff Pasquino is saying "I told you so" ....

 

[guitarmonkiy]

S.Diego looks worse than N.Orleans

The only reason they won against the Bears last week was because a punt hit the TV wire on the field and hit a Bear causing a turnover; followed by 2 fumbles from Bear RBs. Otherwise there was no where they would have scored a single point last week.

my team lost when the ball hit the TV wire

Not trying to hijack or anything, but can someone please explain the shirt thing to me.

 

[Capella]

S.Diego looks worse than N.Orleans

The only reason they won against the Bears last week was because a punt hit the TV wire on the field and hit a Bear causing a turnover; followed by 2 fumbles from Bear RBs. Otherwise there was no where they would have scored a single point last week.

my team lost when the ball hit the TV wire

Not trying to hijack or anything, but can someone please explain the shirt thing to me.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=175613

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

S.Diego looks worse than N.Orleans

The only reason they won against the Bears last week was because a punt hit the TV wire on the field and hit a Bear causing a turnover; followed by 2 fumbles from Bear RBs. Otherwise there was no where they would have scored a single point last week.

my team lost when the ball hit the TV wire

Not trying to hijack or anything, but can someone please explain the shirt thing to me.

Explanation.

 

[Capella]

S.Diego looks worse than N.Orleans

The only reason they won against the Bears last week was because a punt hit the TV wire on the field and hit a Bear causing a turnover; followed by 2 fumbles from Bear RBs. Otherwise there was no where they would have scored a single point last week.

my team lost when the ball hit the TV wire

Not trying to hijack or anything, but can someone please explain the shirt thing to me.

Explanation.

I was too late to my reply and Capella beat me to it

 

[guitarmonkiy]

S.Diego looks worse than N.Orleans

The only reason they won against the Bears last week was because a punt hit the TV wire on the field and hit a Bear causing a turnover; followed by 2 fumbles from Bear RBs. Otherwise there was no where they would have scored a single point last week.

my team lost when the ball hit the TV wire

Not trying to hijack or anything, but can someone please explain the shirt thing to me.

Explanation.

haha, thanks man, good stuff

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Suckage in 1st week against BearsSuckage in 2nd week against Pats....3 turnovers all by him tonight (2 ints, 1 fumble lost)Let's see how much outrage he gets compared to the typical hatred that someone like Grossman gets for turnovers. How will the Chargers ever win a SB with this guy as their QB?PS: My personal opinion is these are 2 tough defenses so some of it is expected. But that excuse never flies for Grossman when he turned the ball to Miami or Pats or Chargers.

Somewhere, Jeff Pasquino is saying "I told you so" ....

 

[LHUCKS]