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Pick a Pair/Half Decade Album Draft - Bonus Rounds Thu & Fri - Pick three if you want (2 Viewers)

END GAME RULE CHANGES

Due to the skips, Rush and the Incredible Shrinking Dickies, here are the rules of the week

  1. The floor is open now for any 8th rounders and pending skips
  2. Starting tomorrow and concluding on Friday, it'll be one unthreaded pick per day starting at the reasonable hour of 11AM EDT.  Tuesday Rd 9, Wednesday Rd 10, Thursday Rd 11, Friday Rd 12.
  3. Rounds 11 and 12 will be bonus rounds where you can draft an optional third album for an artist. The usual half-decade requirements remain in effect.
 
Chaos Commish said:
California registration. I had no idea state's had longer registrations.
We have the car inspected and then they send the info to the State of Texas.  We get the sticker a couple of weeks later.  No DMV at all.

 
END GAME RULE CHANGES

Due to the skips, Rush and the Incredible Shrinking Dickies, here are the rules of the week

  1. The floor is open now for any 8th rounders and pending skips
  2. Starting tomorrow and concluding on Friday, it'll be one unthreaded pick per day starting at the reasonable hour of 11AM EDT.  Tuesday Rd 9, Wednesday Rd 10, Thursday Rd 11, Friday Rd 12.
  3. Rounds 11 and 12 will be bonus rounds where you can draft an optional third album for an artist. The usual half-decade requirements remain in effect.


3rd album as in I could take Pat Boone: In a Metal Mood (1997), Tie Me Kangaroo Down Sport(1963) and Howdy! (1957) all in one turn?

 
END GAME RULE CHANGES

Due to the skips, Rush and the Incredible Shrinking Dickies, here are the rules of the week

  1. The floor is open now for any 8th rounders and pending skips
  2. Starting tomorrow and concluding on Friday, it'll be one unthreaded pick per day starting at the reasonable hour of 11AM EDT.  Tuesday Rd 9, Wednesday Rd 10, Thursday Rd 11, Friday Rd 12.
  3. Rounds 11 and 12 will be bonus rounds where you can draft an optional third album for an artist. The usual half-decade requirements remain in effect.


Thanks.  This had become excruciatingly slow.

 
Round 8, while I decided not to do jazz like Miles or Coltrane, I do have some jazz vibes from Astral Weeks so I feel I should complement that a bit. This also pairs well with Aretha. I might as well roll a dice Eephus style to pick what the 2nd half of the 60s album will be here as she has 3 stellar options. 

Nina Simone

Little Girl Blue (1959)

Plain Gold Ring

I Loves You Porgy

Nina Simone Sings the Blues (1967)

Do I Move You?

I Want a Little Sugar in my Bowl

 
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Muddy Waters

Folk Singer (1964)

Hard Again (1977)

The Folk Singer is Waters' only all acoustic album.  It probably wasn't a shrewd move for Chess to release it just as electric Blues was blowing up with English kids but I'm glad it was recorded. Buddy Guy is in great form as the counterpoint to Muddy's vocals. Otis Spann also appears on some tracks.  The quieter numbers are breathtaking in their intimacy which isn't something I usually associate with Muddy as a singer.

Waters had a late career revival after his appearance at The Last Waltz. He'd been contracted to Chess Records for entire career but switched to a CBS vanity label created by the manager of Johnny and Edgar Winter and David Johansen.  Johnny Winter produced the album, played guitar and hooted and hollered a lot.  The record has a loose feel to it like somebody left the tape running while the band was jamming.

 
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rockaction said:
@Dr. Octopusis up. I wonder how the show he could hear went. I know the Jets weren't so good yesterday.
I watched Pearl Jam from the raised patio of a senior living facility across the street from the beach and that stage they played on. I could see the band and the sound was great and it was a pretty interesting way to see the show. There were 70-80 year olds in wheelchairs out there, some older people playing cards, some a little younger dancing and singing along. There was also younger "kids" just up there to drink and enjoy the show. Me and my friend Glenn were somewhere in between. It was a blast.

I'll have my picks in in a few minutes.

 
I watched Pearl Jam from the raised patio of a senior living facility across the street from the beach and that stage they played on. I could see the band and the sound was great and it was a pretty interesting way to see the show. There were 70-80 year olds in wheelchairs out there, some older people playing cards, some a little younger dancing and singing along. There was also younger "kids" just up there to drink and enjoy the show. Me and my friend Glenn were somewhere in between. It was a blast.

I'll have my picks in in a few minutes.
The best part is as soon as the show ended, the cops asked anyone that doesn’t live there to leave - which everyone did respectfully. It meant the seniors were ok with the people being there but wanted them gone after the show. 

 
Okay, I guess I'll play along with the decade thing. The eighties are cheese, IMO. There's nothing artistically special about them, production turned digital, everything about the decade is just wrong. (Sorry ilov). But there is one thing that happened. Rap and hip hop and sampled or drum machine-based music hit the mainstream. From its origins as a block party/disco loop thing whereby people danced to DJ'd records in communal settings with a rudimentary emcee rocking the mic for block partiers to an entire commodified industry and art form, the eighties oversaw a hip hop arc unlike any art form that entered the decade. While other genres divided, imploded, and had their best artists operating in sub-genre or synthesis territory, a diverse set of artists comprised hip hop, ranging from everything from the overtly socio-politically conscious to the neo-hippie stylings of other acts, and hip hop, as a form, thrived toward the end of the decade rather than dying like most of the forms that entered the decade. 1987 would see Public Enemy's first album. 1989 would see De La Soul's. The form would continue to explode in the early nineties, and here we are with it.

Some of the first mainstream hip hop recordings that appealed to broad audiences but were also cutting edge in their presentation of hip hop and rap compared to lighter-hearted rap that had come before are represented here. They are also the first commercial salvos fired by hip hop, appealing to broad audiences rather than niche or local ones.

Run-D.M.C. - Run-D.M.C. (1984)

Rock Box

Sucker M.C.'s

It's Like That

The production is sparse, minimalist and would be a radical departure from the lusher disco and more angular post-punk samples that had been used prior in rap music. Russell Simmons and Larry Smith oversaw the beats, largely focusing on a drum machine to provide them. Jam Master Jay cuts the beats and provides the scratches on the album. Standouts include "Rock Box," one of the first, if not the first, rap video on MTV, "Sucker M.C.'s." and "It's Like That."

The songs might sound a touch dated compared to the extraordinary stuff D.J.'s would do just several years later, but the album is still incredibly strong due to the minimalist beats and the lyrical performances. It's worthy of any list, really.

Run-D.M.C. - Raising Hell (1986)

Peter Piper

It's Tricky

Walk This Way

Raising Hell was a lusher, more commercial affair, with production by Russell Simmons and Rick Rubin together. Rubin and Simmons would go on to form Def Jam, but until then, the album was on Profile Records and featuring many hits, both on the charts, and for MTV. Underestimating its importance comes at the listener's peril. From the opening strains of "Peter Piper" on through the entire album, a group and crew at the top of their game from the emcee through to the producers take turns with excellence. Propelling rap and rap style to the forefront of popular consciousness, Raising Hell could be considered the most important hip hop/rap record of all-time. It clearly paved the way for rock audiences with its beats and songs. And a quick Wiki search shows Chuck D praising the album as his favorite and saying that's why he signed to Def Jam. It's that good. I'm totally ignoring exactly how much this album helped rap cross over to white audiences because you know the story. The thing behind that is that..."Walk This Way" is a great collaboration, a great remix, a fully realized song in retrospect. It was deserving of all the love. Anyway, that's the album. It's got way, way more than three good songs.

 
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Okay, I guess I'll play along with the decade thing. The eighties are cheese, IMO. There's nothing artistically special about them, production turned digital, everything about the decade is just wrong. (Sorry ilov). But there is one thing that happened. Rap and hip hop and sampled or drum machine-based music hit the mainstream. From its origins as a block party/disco loop thing whereby people danced to DJ'd records in communal settings with a rudimentary emcee rocking the mic for block partiers to an entire commodified industry and art form, the eighties oversaw a hip hop arc unlike any art form that entered the decade. While other genres divided, imploded, and had their best artists operating in sub-genre or synthesis territory, a diverse set of artists comprised hip hop, ranging from everything from the overtly socio-politically conscious to the neo-hippie stylings of other acts, and hip hop, as a form, thrived toward the end of the decade rather than dying like most of the forms that entered the decade. 1987 would see Public Enemy's first album. 1989 would see De La Soul's. The form would continue to explode in the early nineties, and here we are with it.

Some of the first mainstream hip hop recordings that appealed to broad audiences but were also cutting edge in their presentation of hip hop and rap compared to lighter-hearted rap that had come before.

Run-D.M.C. - Run-D.M.C. (1984)

Rock Box

Sucker M.C.'s

It's Like That

The production is sparse, minimalist and would be a radical departure from the lusher disco and more angular post-punk samples that had been used prior in rap music. Russell Simmons and Larry Smith oversaw the beats, largely focusing on a drum machine to provide them. Jam Master Jay cuts the beats and provides the scratches on the album. Standouts include "Rock Box," one of the first, if not the first, rap video on MTV, "Sucker M.C.'s." and "It's Like That."

The songs might sound a touch dated compared to the extraordinary stuff D.J.'s would do just several years later, but the album is still incredibly strong due to the minimalist beats and the lyrical performances. It's worthy of any list, really.

Run-D.M.C. - Raising Hell (1986)

Peter Piper

It's Tricky

Walk This Way

Raising Hell was a lusher, more commercial affair, with production by Russell Simmons and Rick Rubin together. Rubin and Simmons would go on to form Def Jam, but until then, the album was on Profile Records and featuring many hits, both on the charts, and for MTV. Underestimating its importance comes at the listener's peril. From the opening strains of "Peter Piper" on through the entire album, a group and crew at the top of their game from the emcee through to the producers take turns with excellence. Propelling rap and rap style to the forefront of popular consciousness, Raising Hell could be considered the important hip hop/rap record of all-time. A quick Wiki search shows Chuck D praising the album as his favorite and saying that's why he signed to Def Jam. It's that good. I'm totally ignoring exactly how much this album helped rap cross over to white audiences because you know the story. The thing behind that is that..."Walk This Way" is a great collaboration, a great remix, a fully realized song in retrospect. It was deserving of all the love. Anyway, that's the album. It's got way, way more than three good songs.
I like a lot of 80s music, to some extent based on nostalgia, but when someone posted a poll about which musical decade from 1950-2020 would you pick if you had to pick one to never listen to again, I picked the 80s.

 
No offense. As I am sure you are aware from all the drafts we’ve done, I’m not actually especially fond of anything 80s. This is actually one of the most 80s heavy drafts I’ve ever had.

 
I like a lot of 80s music, to some extent based on nostalgia, but when someone posted a poll about which musical decade from 1950-2020 would you pick if you had to pick one to never listen to again, I picked the 80s.
Yeah, I feel like I should apologize. My rule against not tearing things down in these drafts goes out the window if it's a non-specified or generalized artistic judgment. I look at the eighties, and the forms that entered the eighties, and what I see leaving is a shell of those forms or a synthesis with other forms. That's due to commercial glut, democratization due to the cost of instruments, digital instrumentation and the like, among other things. It's hard to listen to an eighties production of a record and have it sound good to the ears, really. At least, that's my opinion of the majority of it. I am absolutely positive that there are things I am missing, both by ear and theory, but I don't hear anything that stands out to me as innovative but hip hop and rhythm and blues.

Synthesizers and digitization hurt so much, it seems. I'm a layman -- all I can judge is the end product, but the fifties and eighties would probably be my two decades to never listen to again, too.

 
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3rd album as in I could take Pat Boone: In a Metal Mood (1997), Tie Me Kangaroo Down Sport(1963) and Howdy! (1957) all in one turn?
I read it as I can take a third album from a group that I already drafted a pair from as long as it’s in another half decade. For example, I can take a third Beastie Boys album in the 11th round as long as it’s not in the same half decade as Paul’s Boutique or Ill Communication. 

 
Pip's Invitation said:
MY MORNING JACKET

It Still Moves (2003)

The Waterfall (2015)

MMJ may be my favorite rock act of the 21st century. They have feet in Southern Rock, indie rock and alt-country but are not easy to define, and their sound has shifted quite a bit over the years. To my ears, frontman Jim James may be the closest thing his generation has to Neil Young. 

It Still Moves, their third album, is a powerhouse of rock epics and gorgeous melodies. If you like guitar music of any stripe, this is for you. 

One Big Holiday

Run Thru (named as one of Rolling Stone's 100 Greatest Guitar Songs, for whatever that's worth) 

The Waterfall, released 12 years later, is equally outstanding but completely different. It may be my favorite album of the '10s, but that's not saying much because I haven't really kept up with music since becoming a parent. The sound here draws heavily on folk, R&B and psychedelia, and many of the songs are informed by a bad breakup James went through just before work on the album started. 

Compound Fracture

In Its Infancy (The Waterfall)

@PIK95up.
This is another band I've heard of but couldn't name a song and have never listened to an album by. I think I saw them open for Pearl Jam so have seen them live but don't remember anything other than they didn't suck.

 
I always pick Run DMC in these.   @rockaction

Love the records, and the songs.  Those, along with Tougher Than Leather and LL's Radio, were my childhood from 85-88.  I was rock from like 83-85, then took a hard turn into Hip Hop (Rap as we called it) from like 85-90.  After 1990 it was everything but country, lol.  That's where I still live today.  Hate modern country "music"  Lot's of Double Dragon and Castlevania played to those records as I grew up.  Love it.

 
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I like a lot of 80s music, to some extent based on nostalgia, but when someone posted a poll about which musical decade from 1950-2020 would you pick if you had to pick one to never listen to again, I picked the 80s.
90's for me probably.  A few misses would hurt, but music really suxored from 89-99 compared to what came before imo.  I graduated in 93, and we couldn't even find a decent tune for prom theme, lol.  I think it was To Be With You, some hair band crap.  Oof.

 
90's for me probably.  A few misses would hurt, but music really suxored from 89-99 compared to what came before imo.  I graduated in 93, and we couldn't even find a decent tune for prom theme, lol.  I think it was To Be With You, some hair band crap.  Oof.
It only got worse when I graduated in 2000. Boy bands and Jessica Simpson and Abercrombie and all that was awful. 

 
I read it as I can take a third album from a group that I already drafted a pair from as long as it’s in another half decade. For example, I can take a third Beastie Boys album in the 11th round as long as it’s not in the same half decade as Paul’s Boutique or Ill Communication. 
We need official clairification

 
I read it as I can take a third album from a group that I already drafted a pair from as long as it’s in another half decade. For example, I can take a third Beastie Boys album in the 11th round as long as it’s not in the same half decade as Paul’s Boutique or Ill Communication. 
We need official clairification


You can draft two or three albums from a single artist in rounds 11 and 12 provided they meet the half decade criteria.

ilov80s and Pat Boone were correct.

 
The 1940s are the correct answer for what decade's music to live without.  The musician's strikes/recording ban and WWII resulted in few studio recordings from the period.

 
Also, Kevin Smith used the title Track from Tougher Then Leather to perfection in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.  He introduced the ladies as they were about to break into the building. Wow.

 
90's for me probably.  A few misses would hurt, but music really suxored from 89-99 compared to what came before imo.  I graduated in 93, and we couldn't even find a decent tune for prom theme, lol.  I think it was To Be With You, some hair band crap.  Oof.
A lot of good music came out of that transition from hair bands, to grunge, or whatever you wanna call it.  

 
Yeah, but not enough to give away the 80's.
Yea to each their own I guess......I don't listen to a lot of 80's except for like Petty, Talking Heads,  a handful of metal bands.....the last couple Marley albums were released in the 80's....maybe a bit of legit country from the 80's.....I'm talking like Hank Jr, Dwight Yoakum, George Strait.....none of that poppy bull#### they pass off as country today....I definitely don't listen the REM/U2/INXS type stuff and I don't really listen to rap/hip hop

 

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