Not going to blame FBG's here as every other site I look at also left Pinner off their projections completely but wow over 100 yards and 2 TD's. How did everyone get this so wrong? Did Minn ever officially name a rotation or speak to which RB's they would feature this week or was it just assumed it would be Fason because he played OK last week? Had a site managed to pull the Pinner sleeper card this week for the fantasy playoffs it would have been the huge call of the year.
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Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Who could possibly know.
Pinner?
Look, Pinner has 18 carries in the first half of a 10 point game. Lions defense has been on the field for 22 minutes. Fason could still live up to the bill yet...........
Pinner?
Look, Pinner has 18 carries in the first half of a 10 point game. Lions defense has been on the field for 22 minutes. Fason could still live up to the bill yet...........
Avery
Footballguy
Sounds like some serious grasping at straws right here.
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Ned
Footballguy
fason does seem to get stronger as the game goes on...
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
I'm not saying probable - but can you tell me how he's planning on managing his RBs? For all I know the back-up QB is about to start taking hand-off too.Just saying possible.ETA Especially after he just fumbled, I don't see Pinner (including receptions) touching the ball 40-50 times this game. I think Moore is invaluable to ST and will see that limit his touches. So.........who else can take handoffs.
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KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Paging jwvdcw.
footballgeek
Footballguy
Minnesota is Fanball's backyard...If Charchian is so smart he should have known...
M
MLBrandow
Guest
I distinctly remember reading someone on this board calling Pinner this week... emphasized the revenge on old team factor.Don't feel like looking it up, but I'm sure he'll bump it himself in the next day or so.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Its in the Fason>Larry Johnson thread. Problem is he simultaneously said Fason was a "good sleeper" this week and Taylor "could play" this week. It was a comment that covered every possibility, and therefore couldn't be wrong.It wasn't a stretch like calling Fason over Larry Johnson. As was, Pinner > Larry Johnson this week. Still good analysis.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Starting Pinner this week was the shark move.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
STARTING PINNER TODAY WAS THE PSYCHIC MOVE.
I am willing to bet that there is no one who started pinner anywhere - unless they quit week 2 and still haven't changed their lineup.As of gametime, Fason was supposed to carry the ball.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Totally -the only person who would have started Pinner today is jwvdcw. I can';t call his numbers anything other than dumb luck.It was more reasonable, if Fason hasd an off day, that MMoore would get more of the work than Pinner.STARTING PINNER TODAY WAS THE PSYCHIC MOVE.
Maelstrom
Footballguy
On Fanball his line looks like this:STARTING PINNER TODAY WAS THE PSYCHIC MOVE.
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Owned Started Player 2% 0% Pinner A, MINThey can take some blame. Not end of the world type FF guys might cry about but a little for being "off" on projections...sure. DD+Henry can handle it, I'm sure they're not 100% right every week.Fason was 23rd rank RB and here's his writeups
http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/FasoCi00-1.php
They were wrong, big deal. We do the lineups not them.
Personally, I feel like an idiot for starting a "nobody" over guys that got me there. I broke a cardinal rule of sorts in FF.
FWIW, if "every other site" missed Pinner, yep them too IMO get some criticism. "Fair's fair" if ya give em' credit for the good calls....
Now reporters in the Minny area that are supposed to be the source for this kinda info....
I've never understood the hush "no no don't say that" mentality. Heap the praise on them for an awesome site, absolutely, but if there's a little tweak here and there, they can handle it. It's minor.
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blueandsilver
Footballguy
Pinner ran harder than Fason did. He was given the chance and took off with it. The few chances Fason had in the early game, he was tackled rather easily and didn't fight for the extra yards like Pinner did.
Also, don't forget Pinner led the SEC in rushing his last year at Kentucky, before breaking his leg at his post-season all-star game (the Senior Bowl I think). This hurt his draft stock, dropping him to the 4th round to the Lions. He got lost on the Lions depth chart and they cut him this pre-season.
Also, don't forget Pinner led the SEC in rushing his last year at Kentucky, before breaking his leg at his post-season all-star game (the Senior Bowl I think). This hurt his draft stock, dropping him to the 4th round to the Lions. He got lost on the Lions depth chart and they cut him this pre-season.
protoslacker
Footballguy
Pinner has had his chances and has averaged 3.2 yds on 211 carries. Its a freak occurence. I don't see him breaking out to be a regular stud.
Absolutely. I fully expected Fason to be the guy based on everything we'd seen this week.
"Revenge" factor against the team that ditched him did seem to play a role. He just ran harder than Fason it seemed and the team stayed with the hot hand.
J
"Revenge" factor against the team that ditched him did seem to play a role. He just ran harder than Fason it seemed and the team stayed with the hot hand.
J
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
blueandsilverHow do you figure that he "ran with a chance"He started. Here is the first drive.1-10-MIN20 (15:00) B.Johnson pass incomplete short right to T.Taylor (J.DeVries). 2-10-MIN20 (14:56) A.Pinner left tackle to MIN 25 for 5 yards (E.Sims; K.Kennedy). 3-5-MIN25 (14:19) (Shotgun) B.Johnson pass short middle to M.Robinson ran ob at 50 for 25 yards (T.Holt). 1-10-50 (13:48) B.Johnson pass short right to A.Pinner to DET 42 for 8 yards (E.Sims). 2-2-DET42 (13:11) A.Pinner right end to DET 41 for 1 yard (E.Sims). 3-1-DET41 (12:39) A.Pinner left end to DET 36 for 5 yards (M.Bell). 1-10-DET36 (11:59) M.Moore right end to DET 27 for 9 yards (K.Kennedy; E.Sims). 2-1-DET27 (11:19) B.Johnson pass short left to M.Robinson to DET 18 for 9 yards (S.Wilson). 1-10-DET18 (10:50) B.Johnson pass incomplete short right to J.Dugan. 2-10-DET18 (10:46) C.Fason up the middle to DET 14 for 4 yards (E.Sims; K.Edwards). 3-6-DET14 (10:04) B.Johnson pass short left to M.Moore to DET 9 for 5 yards (E.Sims). 4-1-DET9 (9:23) A.Pinner left tackle to DET 6 for 3 yards (T.Holt). 1-6-DET6 (8:44) (Shotgun) M.Moore left tackle to DET 3 for 3 yards (M.Bell). 2-3-DET3 (8:05) A.Pinner left tackle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN. R.Longwell extra point is GOOD, Center-C.Loeffler, Holder-C.Kluwe. He was the primary RB from the start of the game. Hard to predict when you are told by the coach that they are going with a different player to be the primary RB.
Lemmiwinks
Footballguy
Pinner had not had an offensive touch since week 9. He's had less than 20 all season. When Taylor went down last week, why didn't Pinner even get one carry? NOT ONE! Who could possibly have known he would get 30 carries today! And all the goal-line looks?!
FF is INSANE sometimes
FF is INSANE sometimes
blueandsilver
Footballguy
That is exactly my point. If in Pinner's first few carries he didn't gain any yards, the Vikings would have tried Fason or Moore. In most of all his carries (especially in the 1st half), he fought for extra yards on every touch. Fason on his few first half touches went down on first contact without much effort to gain that extra yard or 2. That's what I mean by Pinner taking his chance and running with it. If you had to watch the game (since I live in the Lions home market) then you would know what I mean by fighting for the yards after contact. Looking at NFL play-by-play doesn't always tell the whole story.
David Dodds
Administrator
I hate missing this bad. Last night I looked at over 10 sources and no one had Pinner starting. I was looking for a reason to give him some carries, but thought for sure the team would use Fason and Moore.
Not making excuses here. We missed this.
Not making excuses here. We missed this.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Vick is going to kill me this week. So much for defending....
blueandsilver
Footballguy
Pinner didn't get any carries in Week 13 because he was inactive vs. the Bears. Probably a numbers thing where the Vikings don't dress 4 halfbacks. In fact before this week he was inactive for Weeks 11, 12, and 13.
bentley
Footballguy
AOL has him listed as starting on 1% of teams. ETA Tony Fisher, Chris Perry, and Lee Suggs are also starting for 1% of teams.On Fanball his line looks like this:STARTING PINNER TODAY WAS THE PSYCHIC MOVE.Where the 2% is how many teams own him and the 0% is how many teams started him. Ouch. 30 points in my league's scoring system.Code:Owned Started Player 2% 0% Pinner A, MIN
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Lemmiwinks
Footballguy
If he is the preferred back to Fason, why wasn't Fason the one who was inactive for all those games. As I said it makes NO SENSE.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Fisher is starting for Fishers team, Perry is starting for Perry's team............................AOL has him listed as starting on 1% of teams. ETA Tony Fisher, Chris Perry, and Lee Suggs are also starting for 1% of teams.On Fanball his line looks like this:STARTING PINNER TODAY WAS THE PSYCHIC MOVE.Where the 2% is how many teams own him and the 0% is how many teams started him. Ouch. 30 points in my league's scoring system.Code:Owned Started Player 2% 0% Pinner A, MIN
Not that I expect FBG to get them all right but this is where they are supposed to earn their money.
But even if they told you Pinner was starting - which is the best they could have done - most people wouldn't have played him anyway based on his history and assuming Fason would get goalline
But even if they told you Pinner was starting - which is the best they could have done - most people wouldn't have played him anyway based on his history and assuming Fason would get goalline
King of the Wolfies
Footballguy
All I know is that the miracles I needed for me to recover from my 2-7 start were all in place, until chester gets hurt. I even managed to get Fason. Looks like I'm going to lose by less than 10. Chester plays, and I'm in the playoffs 
That's OK. It ain't easy defending a title when everyone GUNS for you.Vick is going to kill me this week. So much for defending....
I'm in a bunch of leagues but in one, a 2 UTIL league, I was down Chester Taylor and at the time Colston plus a few others hurt earlier in the year ... I have a few minutes to decide on him vs Crayton. I am in position to survive maybe thanks to MJ Drew. So had someone called Pinner as being relevant I might have gone him given my other options. I calculate I need atleast 6 points tonight on top of my lead to survive Holt tomorrow.So the fact that FBG's projections missed on Vick (I should survive that thanks to Gates) is acceptable I thought he'd play better too. Missing on who's going to get the most carries however is as much a reason for these sites as for the projections if not more. Overall they do a good job and EVERYONE missed this.
One
Not Allowed In Mexico
jwvdcw = freakish
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Bull####! You go find one, just ONE online source before the game saying that Pinner was starting, then come back and tell us "this is where they are supposed to earn their money." People like you really piss me off, using hindsight to point fingers but without anything to show us why they were wrong.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I was shocked to see Pinner's name among the highlights today, but if we knew he'd be ahead of Fason, some may have reached.Then again, if I even knew he was a Viking, as a former Lion and Taylor hurting, I may have actually picked him up. Maybe. Just because the Lions D sucks.
That's because Fason played very well the game before, and the coaching along with everybody (media, players, etc) said that Fason would be the #1 back with Mewelde getting touches along the way. Nobody ever mentioned Pinner.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
I need Romo and TO to save my butt in my money/bragging league. Needs to be > Bush, Holt, & Carney.That's OK. It ain't easy defending a title when everyone GUNS for you.Vick is going to kill me this week. So much for defending....
protoslacker
Footballguy
# 44 Mike Karney
Position: FB
Height: 5-11
Weight: 258
Born: 07/06/1981
College: Arizona State
NFL Experience: 3
Karney=Pinner=1 game wonder
Position: FB
Height: 5-11
Weight: 258
Born: 07/06/1981
College: Arizona State
NFL Experience: 3
Karney=Pinner=1 game wonder
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Horses Mouth
Footballguy
Totally -the only person who would have started Pinner today is jwvdcw.
I can';t call his numbers anything other than dumb luck.
It was more reasonable, if Fason hasd an off day, that MMoore would get more of the work than Pinner.
I can't believe jwvdcw isn't resurrecting his man love for Pinner in this thread yet.
I can';t call his numbers anything other than dumb luck.
It was more reasonable, if Fason hasd an off day, that MMoore would get more of the work than Pinner.
I can't believe jwvdcw isn't resurrecting his man love for Pinner in this thread yet.
Reading comprehensin, Mr. Potato Head. I just said they can't be expected to get them all right - which is where this would fall into - at the same time, this is where they could earn their money by helping teams get wins by nuggets like this one (or adoid losses).Say FBG's had a horseshoe up their hinder and somehow found out about Pinner in advance - on a total fluke. Don't think they would be thumping their chest right now about why FBG's is the best?
when Chester Taylor AND L. Maroney went down, I picked up Fason for the spot start. I was in the playoffs in any of 3 ways...win, another guy win, or I score within 6 points of the same other guy.
Missing this probably cost me the playoff berth despite tying for second best record and having the third best average.
Nobodies fault here, but
Edit to add (Unless Holt has his best game of the year)
Missing this probably cost me the playoff berth despite tying for second best record and having the third best average.
Nobodies fault here, but
Edit to add (Unless Holt has his best game of the year)
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WisWolvrns
Footballguy
The thing that confuses me the most is the word from the team?, HC?, media? all had Fason as getting the "start" after in warmups Taylor said he couldn't go.
All week long everyone knew Taylor was a GTD and everyone could figure Minnesota had a good chance of around a 100 yards and 1 Td vs Detroit's bad D.
So for a flex starter or injury coverage, just grab the appropriate waiver pickup and throw him out there. I still don't know why the true starter (Pinner) wasn't told correctly. Maybe the mainstream media never bothered to really ask the HC 30 minutes before the game and just assumed it was Fason based on last week and ran with it?
Guess we will never truly know... but we can know we did predict right on a big rushing day by the Minnesota RB...
All week long everyone knew Taylor was a GTD and everyone could figure Minnesota had a good chance of around a 100 yards and 1 Td vs Detroit's bad D.
So for a flex starter or injury coverage, just grab the appropriate waiver pickup and throw him out there. I still don't know why the true starter (Pinner) wasn't told correctly. Maybe the mainstream media never bothered to really ask the HC 30 minutes before the game and just assumed it was Fason based on last week and ran with it?
Guess we will never truly know... but we can know we did predict right on a big rushing day by the Minnesota RB...
I was looking and albeit real quickly, I only came across people inferring that from last week's performance
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
King of the Wolfies said:All I know is that the miracles I needed for me to recover from my 2-7 start were all in place, until chester gets hurt. I even managed to get Fason. Looks like I'm going to lose by less than 10. Chester plays, and I'm in the playoffs
The upsetting thing is the fact that many worked very hard this year to make it this far and to lose because of this is unsettling. It's one thing to put in the wrong player (ie the player on your bench scores more than the player on your roster) but this possibly the worst way and time to lose. 
In my main $ league, players lock 5 minutes before their game. Works for us.
Mungo Burrows
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