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steelers1080
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For me it's the Bengals. It was the Ravens for a long time, but while that is a heated rivalry, there's a mutual respect. After a Ravens game I can shake the hand of a Ravens fan and say good game. In the past couple years the Bengals have gone out of their way to try and injure our players. That's part of the reason I don't feel for Burfict at all. IMO he deserved to receive a devastating blow after all the cheap ones he's dished out. If a Bengals fan tried to shake my hand and say good game after last night I'd probably still shake their hand, because I'm a good sport, but I definitely wouldn't be happy about it!fruity pebbles said:
I understand that head shots aren't good for the NFL, but Juju's block might have won us the game. It completely changed the tone and after that our offense couldn't be stopped. Not sure how the NFL can justify giving Gronk 1 game and AJ Green 0 games, and Juju 1 game. His block was vicious, but it was during the course of a play. Gronk attacked a player after the whistle, and AJ Green choke slammed a guy. How are those not worse? Probably only because this happened in Prime Time.
Also, F*** Gruden. I used to like him, but he was a ditsy fanboy last night and it was sickening. He gushed over Burfict non-stop saying how he got $300,000 in fines from the NFL, and that he would get season tickets just to see him, then was somehow upset when Juju made a Burfict-like hit? Hypocrite. You can't love hard illegal hits only when it's convenient ya as*hat. And he somehow never believed the Cincy penalties, but the ones on the Steelers were all legit. Antonio Bryant, Randall Gay, Jojo, Juju Schuster-Smith, not sure who they are, but Gruden talked about them a lot. The only thing the crew got right last night was that the officiating was terrible.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
If I am JuJu and IIoka I am appealing the decision based on your argument above. It won't work but I think they could make a legitimate argument. In JuJu's case the fact that this is a first offense could be factored in as well.
My biggest issue, and this is nothing new, is the inconsistent way the NFL doles out suspensions. If you suspend one player for hitting high or helmet-to-helmet then you need to do that for all. And I think if they institute a policy like that it should made a point of emphasis and enforce on Week 1.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Precisely this. AJ Green 0 games, Mike Evans 1 game, Crabtree 2 games, Gronk 1 game, Juju 1 game, wut?
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
Steelers sign ILB Sean Spence
JuJu just added to his awesome rookie campaign.
Performs well above expectations.
Creates FUN with celebrations that are actually creative without having to show up other team. I'm so sick of that.
Loves his mama
And then he goes out and lays an absolute perfect hit on a player who is clearly out of control on a far too frequent basis. I'm sure half the league texted thanks to JuJu today. I'll glady take the 1 gamer to lay that POS on the ground. Unfortunately it will only get worse before it gets better as the league is unable to control these games. Pittsburgh paid a price but won.
Performs well above expectations.
Creates FUN with celebrations that are actually creative without having to show up other team. I'm so sick of that.
Loves his mama
And then he goes out and lays an absolute perfect hit on a player who is clearly out of control on a far too frequent basis. I'm sure half the league texted thanks to JuJu today. I'll glady take the 1 gamer to lay that POS on the ground. Unfortunately it will only get worse before it gets better as the league is unable to control these games. Pittsburgh paid a price but won.
steelers1080
Footballguy
We're going to need to rely on our offense from now on. With Shazier and Matakevich out, our defense is going to be even worse than it has been. Hopefully Big Ben can recreate the magic of a few years ago when we faced a Jimmy Smith-less Ravens at home and he put up 6 TDs.
Also, they need to keep feeding Leveon the rock. He can eat up the clock and keep us rolling. These next 2 games are critical, but we need to not have let down games against Houston or Cleveland.
Also, they need to keep feeding Leveon the rock. He can eat up the clock and keep us rolling. These next 2 games are critical, but we need to not have let down games against Houston or Cleveland.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Steelers are getting shafted. Juju out 1 game, Iloka out 0. And Gronk who gave a defenseless player a concussion after a play, 1 game. He should be at least 2 if Juju is 1.
We play in prime time again this week, I wouldn't be shocked if we lose another player before next week. I've never been one to buy in to NFL conspiracies, but the recent suspension decisions are suspicious.
We play in prime time again this week, I wouldn't be shocked if we lose another player before next week. I've never been one to buy in to NFL conspiracies, but the recent suspension decisions are suspicious.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
It isn't a conspiracy, it is just the incompetence of the NFL front office. They need to get out of the suspension game cause they never get it right.
need2know
Footballguy
Buttonhook
Footballguy
So frustrating, we might finally have the DBs on our roster to play man on the Pats WRs, and without those MLBs I could see the Pats just running it down our throat.steelers1080 said:
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Not only that but the middle is going to wide open for Brady to hit Gronk.Buttonhook said:
Franknbeans
Footballguy
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
steelers1080
Footballguy
I wonder if Watt choke slams Brady if he'll get off with an ejection and no suspension. Or if Mike Hilton slams his forearm into the back of Brady's head after the play, if he'll only be suspended 1 game. I'd be willing to bet a fair amount that they'd be suspended longer than AJ or Gronk.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
There is no way to tell. The NFL front office has a big wheel with suspensions & fines on it and your punishment is whatever the spinner lands on.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I heard a report that Ryan Shazier has had spinal stabilization surgery. I'm no doctor so I have no idea on what that means but it doesn't sound good.
http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/13045542-74/steelers-ryan-shazier-has-spinal-stabilization-surgery
http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/13045542-74/steelers-ryan-shazier-has-spinal-stabilization-surgery
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Godsbrother
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I don't want to overreact but this just seem so serious and can't see how him walking again can't be the only thing people care about right now and I say that fully aware of what he means to the team.
I'm getting especially concerned because if what I read was accurate he got the surgery last night. They did not update us until today and no part of that update said anything about the surgery going well. No positive updates can be found right now.
steelers1080
Footballguy
It sounds like Spine Stabilization Surgery can be a typical procedure to help the recovery from a spinal contusion. Several other players have had a similar injury in the past and were able to walk again (David Wilson, Jermichael Finley, guy from the Cowboys). So, I'm maintaining hope that he will live a long and healthy life.
Thoughts and prayers with Shazier and his Fianceé.
Thoughts and prayers with Shazier and his Fianceé.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
steelers1080
Footballguy
CJ Mosely missed practice with a neck/ankle injury, depending on who's reporting. If he misses the game they'll be down MLB and top CB, should allow us to score almost at will, but Brandon Williams is playing this time (didn't during first meeting) so running up the middle will be almost impossible.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I have a friend who's a surgeon who told me that without knowing the specifics that this is a 3-6 month recovery period to ensure the spine is stable. The long-term prognosis is very good. From a football standpoint, we likely won't know anything until well into the offseason, probably after the draft. Once the area is deemed stable, he'd likely be given the rundown of the risks of continuing to play and then will have to make a decision on whether to return or retire.
So, we know for certain that his season is over. He may never play again, but that will be his and his family's call. If he does come back, he should be good as new next season, but with no guarantee that a life-altering injury couldn't occur at any time, as I believe (this is not from the doctor) that one such injury increases the chance of recurrence.
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AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
ex WCW/WWF guy Chris Benoit (let's ignore the whole 'murder your entire family' part of his story) had surgery to have vertebrae fused together after a spinal injury -- Benoit had a long career after that.
No idea if this is the surgery Shazier had but it sounds like it could be.
No idea if this is the surgery Shazier had but it sounds like it could be.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Spinal fusion is surgery to permanently connect two or more vertebrae in your spine, eliminating motion between them.
Spinal fusion involves techniques designed to mimic the normal healing process of broken bones. During spinal fusion, your surgeon places bone or a bonelike material within the space between two spinal vertebrae. Metal plates, screws and rods may be used to hold the vertebrae together, so they can heal into one solid unit.
Because spinal fusion surgery immobilizes parts of your spine, it changes the way your spine can move. This places additional stress and strain on the vertebrae above and below the fused portion, and may increase the rate at which those areas of your spine degenerate.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/spinal-fusion/home/ovc-20155554
Good info.
Also read where Steelers lockerroom was update, so that's a good sign.
At this point if he ever plays again I'll consider it a bonus but not as dire sounding as I first thought for his off the field life.
steelers1080
Footballguy
If people are interested, Stephania Bell did one of her podcasts this week on Spine Stabilization Surgery.
Also, if Shazier did want to come back, would it help if he wore one of those neck pad things that linemen wear to keep their head from going back? Not sure it would help prevent compression, but maybe it would help him keep his head up?
Also, if Shazier did want to come back, would it help if he wore one of those neck pad things that linemen wear to keep their head from going back? Not sure it would help prevent compression, but maybe it would help him keep his head up?
BobbyLayne
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
No major injuries. Bring on the Pats!
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Huh? They didbelljr said:
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Ben is first QB to throw for 500+yards in a game 3 times
JoeSteeler
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Radio broadcast said the Steelers were all-time 214-0-3 when leading at home by 14 points.
A minute later we fell behind 38-29 with 6 minutes remaining in the 4th.
A minute later we fell behind 38-29 with 6 minutes remaining in the 4th.
belljr
Footballguy
I thought so too but then I checked the updated standings and it didn't show it. Then the site fixed itself
As a NE fan, looking forward to this thread this week.
Couple of thoughts:
* PIT offense is certainly rolling. NE's D will have their hands full.
* PIT D on the other hand has gone south. Big Ben is going to have to keep it up. Don't see NE scoring under 30.
* I also don't see A. Brown going for 11-200+. NE will force Ben to be patient. Limit big plays. I wouldn't be surprised if they dare the Steelers to run. L. Bell....while awesome...is averaging under 4 YPC. If he lines up wide, could see the secondary adjusting and forcing Ben to bring Bell back into the backfield.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
After what I've seen the last few weeks from the Steelers D, I'm not even remotely optimistic that the Steelers will beat the Patriots. I see no way that this defense will be able to stop the Patriots so they'll have to win in a shootout. That usually doesn't end well when playing the Patriots. Yes Belichick will try to take Brown out of the game so let's see if the Steelers can take advantage of that and use some of the other weapons. I'm just happy that the Steelers are in good shape for a bye.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I have seen a lot of people wondering and complaining about the lack of snaps for James Harrison of late. I was wondering myself, but I have not paid that much attention to the Steelers outside of gameday. Last night, however, Harrison looked slow. He couldn't get to the QB and he couldn't run down the line to make plays on the runner either. Maybe he is rusty/out of game shape due to the inactivity?
steelers1080
Footballguy
There's only 3 possible ways we beat the Pats next weekend.
- Brady gets hurt during the week or during the game.
- We somehow win the TOP and TO differential. Mostly using Bell a ridiculous amount, and lucking into a fumble or 2 with 0 turnovers of our own.
- Juju Smith-Schuster and Martavis have all-time great games. The Pats like to take out the best players on the opposing team. This probably means that they'll stack the box against Bell and Double team AB. If that happens, there should be open spots in coverage and Juju and Martavis should be able to take advantage. This scenario assumes we can force 2-3 punts or FGs and that the Steelers score a TD on literally every drive.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Pretty simple from here on in. Magic # to clinch a 1st round bye is 2 (Steelers wins + Jacksonville losses.) A win over New England on Sunday and a win in either of our final two games clinches home field throughout (unless MIA pulls the upset tonight, in which case a win over NE next week wraps up the AFC.) Worst we can possibly do is a 3 seed if we lose 2 more games and the Jaguars win out. Of course, that scenario most likely leads to Steelers/Ravens III at Heinz Field 1st week of January, so we want to avoid that if humanly possible.
Rarely is it this cut-and-dried with 3 weeks to play. Root against NE and Jax, the rest is gravy.
Rarely is it this cut-and-dried with 3 weeks to play. Root against NE and Jax, the rest is gravy.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Honestly I think it's unlikely that we will face Baltimore in the playoffs. If we do, it's probably a good thing since it means we will likely be hosting the AFC championship game. Baltimore is most likely going to win out giving them a 10-6 record. The only other potential WC team that could knock Baltimore down to 6 would be the Titans. However, that would require the Titans winning 2 out of their final 3 games (Rams and Jaguars both on their schedule). I don't think the Titans beat the Rams. If they do and the other scenarios happen, then yes we will face the Ravens in the WC round. But I think that's unlikely.Evilgrin 72 said:
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
With that said, given the current state of our defense I'm not going to feel confident against any AFC playoff team (home or away). I think we could beat anyone but I also think we could lose to anyone.
Is this (the bolded) correct? If NE loses tonight and Pitt beats NE next week, Jax still holds the tie-breaker over Pitt, right? So, assuming NE loses this week & next week (and Jax wins next week), Pitt would still have to win one of their last two (or have Jax lose one of their last two), or Jax would get the #1 seed in the AFC, or am I missing something?Evilgrin 72 said:
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Yup you're correct. I'm guessing EG is assuming that if we beat NE, there is basically 0 chance that we wouldn't win at least win one of those final 2 games.
The Hank
Footballguy
Recapping BAL/PIT:
PIT offense was overall masterful - there were some drives after Bell's minor injury that lagged and there was not any rhythm. Overall, extremely impressive. Defensively, there are some major things that need resolved in a short amt of time. The big play is still being given up, with long TDs to Chris Moore and Collins like a wild horse. The biggest fallacy of the Baltimore gameplan in the latter stages of the game was abandoning the run and putting the game in Flacco's hands. Flacco has NOT been good this year, and Collins had to be averaging 5-6 yrs per touch last night. Collins was incredible and PIT d largely had no answer without bringing the safety into the box to stop the bleeding. The Steelers won in spite of their defense last night. However, you have to give credit on the final 2 drives when the Steelers absolutely had to make stops when they needed to. Watt was great.
LOOKING AHEAD TO PIT/NE
This is the type of game where you will really miss Shazier's presence in covering the Patriots shiftier RB's and Gronk - on the outside you need to account for Cooks and make he doesn't burn you deep. Philip Dorsett could give us problems too in the big-play department. Amendola and Hogan will bring their arsenal of sure hands and precise route running too, we all know what Hogan can bring to the table.
I have a strong feeling we will be seeing lots of Burkhead and Lewis used in and out of the backfield and in space against the Steelers' LBs, if you look at the common denominator of our losses and some of our closer calls was beating us via the ground game (Howard/Cohen, Leonard Fournette, Gio Bernard, Jamaal Williams, Collins/Buck Allen/Woodhead). Also Cam Sutton needs to be starting this game over Sensabaugh, who was burned again by Wallace and Maclin. Sensabaugh will be burned mercilessly on Cooks or fooled if he is on Hogan. Sean Davis needs to significantly step it up and cut out the unnecessary bonehead plays, NE could feast on our mistakes we make penalty wise to extend their drives.
PIT offense was overall masterful - there were some drives after Bell's minor injury that lagged and there was not any rhythm. Overall, extremely impressive. Defensively, there are some major things that need resolved in a short amt of time. The big play is still being given up, with long TDs to Chris Moore and Collins like a wild horse. The biggest fallacy of the Baltimore gameplan in the latter stages of the game was abandoning the run and putting the game in Flacco's hands. Flacco has NOT been good this year, and Collins had to be averaging 5-6 yrs per touch last night. Collins was incredible and PIT d largely had no answer without bringing the safety into the box to stop the bleeding. The Steelers won in spite of their defense last night. However, you have to give credit on the final 2 drives when the Steelers absolutely had to make stops when they needed to. Watt was great.
LOOKING AHEAD TO PIT/NE
This is the type of game where you will really miss Shazier's presence in covering the Patriots shiftier RB's and Gronk - on the outside you need to account for Cooks and make he doesn't burn you deep. Philip Dorsett could give us problems too in the big-play department. Amendola and Hogan will bring their arsenal of sure hands and precise route running too, we all know what Hogan can bring to the table.
I have a strong feeling we will be seeing lots of Burkhead and Lewis used in and out of the backfield and in space against the Steelers' LBs, if you look at the common denominator of our losses and some of our closer calls was beating us via the ground game (Howard/Cohen, Leonard Fournette, Gio Bernard, Jamaal Williams, Collins/Buck Allen/Woodhead). Also Cam Sutton needs to be starting this game over Sensabaugh, who was burned again by Wallace and Maclin. Sensabaugh will be burned mercilessly on Cooks or fooled if he is on Hogan. Sean Davis needs to significantly step it up and cut out the unnecessary bonehead plays, NE could feast on our mistakes we make penalty wise to extend their drives.
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Or if the Titans fold (possible) and the loser of the AFC West between KC and San Diego gets in, Baltimore could fetch a 5 seed. Or if, the Steelers lose 2 of their last 3 and the Jags win out and Pittsburgh gets the 3 seed, we could end up in a 3/6 matchup with Baltimore if they end up with the 6. A lot can happen, I want that bye !!!
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
No, you're right, the Jags could potentially pass us, but they already have 4 losses. I figured if we beat NE, the odds of us losing to HOU and CLE and the Jags winning out was a pretty infinitesimal possibility.
