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Plane down at San Fran airport (1 Viewer)

:lmao: OMG! What time was this on? I usually watch KTVU news and missed it! I recognize the anchor woman. I wonder if she will be off air for awhile until this settles down...how embarrassing.

 
Plorfu said:
Old news at this point, but the NTSB admitted some intern actually did confirm these names to the station:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/12/travel/asiana-offensive-names/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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:lol:

Here's what I figure happened (and yes, I'm being serious about it):

KTVU gets a call providing them with these four names.

KTVU calls NTSB, and the conversation between the KTVU reporter and the wide-eyed, #### for brains intern who's nervous dealing with the media on a major story goes like this:

Reporter: "We just got a list of four names of the pilots. You haven't released them but we need you to confirm them. These are the four names [proceeds to spell and/or mispronounce all four names, possibly last name first to further obscure the joke]. Will you confirm these names?"

Intern: "...um, yes?"

Reporter: "kthxbye".

So, in summary, assertive reporter + nervous and naive intern + obscure names = "confirmation"

In the race to get the scoop, the media cuts corners and while they may have cut less of a corner than we first suspected, I'd bet money that they were still cutting corners here in their haste to break the story of the pilots names, and they got stung all the same. Idiots.

 
beavers said:
Asiana is considering a lawsuit against a SF television station for airing incorrect pilot names. The intern, who has since been released, published the following names of the pilots:

"Captain Sum Ting Wong," "Wi Tu Lo," "Ho Lee f u k and "Bang Ding Ow."

http://thehill.com/blogs/transportation-report/aviation/310977-asiana-airlines-to-sue-tv-station-over-offensive-fake-pilots-names#ixzz2Z922cuEU
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In other news many people considering suing Asiana for having an inexperienced pilot at the controls with a trainer who had never trained anyone before keeping an eye on him and the deaths/injuries that decision caused. If I were them I'd let this go, they got bigger problems.

 
If this lawsuit actually goes forward, I assume one thing that will be forced to come out is the name (and likely testimony) of this "summer intern" who confirmed the names.

$20 says no such intern exists and is someone with a real position who answered an email/phone call lazily.

 
Kool-Aid Larry said:
Emerson Biggens said:
CurlyNight said:
Chicago Sun Times: innocent or guilty with the use of the headline words.... ? :lmao:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/08/chicago-sun-times-san-francisco-headline_n_3562177.html
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Oh my. That's going to get someone or many fired I would think. The newscast was hilarious. This is inexcusable.
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yeah that headline is so unusual after a plane crash
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Yeah that really doesn't bother me. Someone should have put some thought into it but that is practically a canned headline.

 
NCCommish said:
Kool-Aid Larry said:
Emerson Biggens said:
CurlyNight said:
Chicago Sun Times: innocent or guilty with the use of the headline words.... ? :lmao:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/08/chicago-sun-times-san-francisco-headline_n_3562177.html
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Oh my. That's going to get someone or many fired I would think. The newscast was hilarious. This is inexcusable.
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yeah that headline is so unusual after a plane crash
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Yeah that really doesn't bother me. Someone should have put some thought into it but that is practically a canned headline.
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Agreed. It's the usual word play on a dramatic headline. It's not even in the same ballpark as the KTVU debacle.

 
T Bell said:
NCCommish said:
Kool-Aid Larry said:
Emerson Biggens said:
CurlyNight said:
Chicago Sun Times: innocent or guilty with the use of the headline words.... ? :lmao:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/08/chicago-sun-times-san-francisco-headline_n_3562177.html
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Oh my. That's going to get someone or many fired I would think. The newscast was hilarious. This is inexcusable.
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yeah that headline is so unusual after a plane crash
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Yeah that really doesn't bother me. Someone should have put some thought into it but that is practically a canned headline.
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Agreed. It's the usual word play on a dramatic headline. It's not even in the same ballpark as the KTVU debacle.
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I feel bad but I laughed about it. I mean how could you not? It was so utterly stupid and high school. Hard to believe it got past so many "professionals" and now they want to blame it on some kid. I can't imagine someone coming to me with those names and me not saying "yeah call someone else because those are joke names you idiot".

 
NCCommish said:
T Bell said:
NCCommish said:
Kool-Aid Larry said:
Emerson Biggens said:
CurlyNight said:
Chicago Sun Times: innocent or guilty with the use of the headline words.... ? :lmao:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/08/chicago-sun-times-san-francisco-headline_n_3562177.html
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Oh my. That's going to get someone or many fired I would think. The newscast was hilarious. This is inexcusable.
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yeah that headline is so unusual after a plane crash
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Yeah that really doesn't bother me. Someone should have put some thought into it but that is practically a canned headline.
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Agreed. It's the usual word play on a dramatic headline. It's not even in the same ballpark as the KTVU debacle.
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I feel bad but I laughed about it. I mean how could you not? It was so utterly stupid and high school. Hard to believe it got past so many "professionals" and now they want to blame it on some kid. I can't imagine someone coming to me with those names and me not saying "yeah call someone else because those are joke names you idiot".
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I can't even believe someone being told that they'd confirmed the names with the NTSB and saying, "Ok, good enough." It's so hair-brained. And yes, I've giggled at the names.

I love it when the high and mighty fourth estate falls victim to its own zeal to "break" a story.

 
I think there is a big difference between the newscast in which a bunch of idiots got tricked and the newspaper headline which was an age old slam on Asian speaking, racist, offensive, and done on purpose.

 
Emerson Biggens said:
I think there is a big difference between the newscast in which a bunch of idiots got tricked and the newspaper headline which was an age old slam on Asian speaking, racist, offensive, and done on purpose.
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So if you are on TV you are allowed to screw up because you must be stupid? And I don't think it was done on purpose. I think someone was being clever and didn't consider the racial aspect. Further as previously noted that kind of word play is pretty common in headlines of crashes.

 
Emerson Biggens said:
I think there is a big difference between the newscast in which a bunch of idiots got tricked and the newspaper headline which was an age old slam on Asian speaking, racist, offensive, and done on purpose.
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Regardless of the intent, there is ample wiggle room to keep them out of hot water. Besides, even at it's worst, it's not remotely racist. Do Koreans even have trouble with Ls? I thought that was Japanese.

ETA: Yeah, there are L words in Korean. This is stupid.

 
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NCCommish said:
Emerson Biggens said:
I think there is a big difference between the newscast in which a bunch of idiots got tricked and the newspaper headline which was an age old slam on Asian speaking, racist, offensive, and done on purpose.
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So if you are on TV you are allowed to screw up because you must be stupid? And I don't think it was done on purpose. I think someone was being clever and didn't consider the racial aspect. Further as previously noted that kind of word play is pretty common in headlines of crashes.
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On the TV one, no one at that station intentionally put those names on there. That newspaper headline is intentional.

I couldn't give a #### either way, I'm just saying IMO there is a huge difference.

 
Emerson Biggens said:
NCCommish said:
Emerson Biggens said:
I think there is a big difference between the newscast in which a bunch of idiots got tricked and the newspaper headline which was an age old slam on Asian speaking, racist, offensive, and done on purpose.
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So if you are on TV you are allowed to screw up because you must be stupid? And I don't think it was done on purpose. I think someone was being clever and didn't consider the racial aspect. Further as previously noted that kind of word play is pretty common in headlines of crashes.
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On the TV one, no one at that station intentionally put those names on there. That newspaper headline is intentional.

I couldn't give a #### either way, I'm just saying IMO there is a huge difference.
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Someone put it on the crawl or no one would have said it.

 
Emerson Biggens said:
NCCommish said:
Emerson Biggens said:
I think there is a big difference between the newscast in which a bunch of idiots got tricked and the newspaper headline which was an age old slam on Asian speaking, racist, offensive, and done on purpose.
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So if you are on TV you are allowed to screw up because you must be stupid? And I don't think it was done on purpose. I think someone was being clever and didn't consider the racial aspect. Further as previously noted that kind of word play is pretty common in headlines of crashes.
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On the TV one, no one at that station intentionally put those names on there. That newspaper headline is intentional.

I couldn't give a #### either way, I'm just saying IMO there is a huge difference.
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you're claiming the newspaper headline was intentionally racist mockery of asians speaking english, or that they intentionally printed a headline?

if the former, you are an idiot.

 
If the last word on the subtitle was "crash-randing" I think we'd all agree that it was messed up and "an age old slam."

 
Kool-Aid Larry said:
Emerson Biggens said:
NCCommish said:
Emerson Biggens said:
I think there is a big difference between the newscast in which a bunch of idiots got tricked and the newspaper headline which was an age old slam on Asian speaking, racist, offensive, and done on purpose.
Click to expand...
So if you are on TV you are allowed to screw up because you must be stupid? And I don't think it was done on purpose. I think someone was being clever and didn't consider the racial aspect. Further as previously noted that kind of word play is pretty common in headlines of crashes.
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On the TV one, no one at that station intentionally put those names on there. That newspaper headline is intentional.I couldn't give a #### either way, I'm just saying IMO there is a huge difference.
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you're claiming the newspaper headline was intentionally racist mockery of asians speaking english, or that they intentionally printed a headline?

if the former, you are an idiot.
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Yes, I am claiming that (racist mockery) on the newspaper one. On the other, I clarify my statement - the lady reading the newscast and the production crew responsible didn't purposely put out a newscast with offensive, wrong information.
 
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Emerson Biggens said:
Kool-Aid Larry said:
Emerson Biggens said:
NCCommish said:
Emerson Biggens said:
I think there is a big difference between the newscast in which a bunch of idiots got tricked and the newspaper headline which was an age old slam on Asian speaking, racist, offensive, and done on purpose.
Click to expand...
So if you are on TV you are allowed to screw up because you must be stupid? And I don't think it was done on purpose. I think someone was being clever and didn't consider the racial aspect. Further as previously noted that kind of word play is pretty common in headlines of crashes.
Click to expand...
On the TV one, no one at that station intentionally put those names on there. That newspaper headline is intentional.I couldn't give a #### either way, I'm just saying IMO there is a huge difference.
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you're claiming the newspaper headline was intentionally racist mockery of asians speaking english, or that they intentionally printed a headline?

if the former, you are an idiot.
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Yes, I am claiming that (racist mockery) on the newspaper one. On the other, I clarify my statement - the lady reading the newscast and the production crew responsible didn't purposely put out a newscast with offensive, wrong information.
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but the newspaper did?

 
Apple Jack said:
Against Boeing??
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“mechanical malfunction of the auto-throttle” may have caused the crash of the Boeing 777, which killed three passengers and injured more than 180. The lawsuit will also question whether evacuation slides inflating inward and seat belts trapping passengers furthered injuries, according to the statement.

The National Transportation Safety Board has said pilots told investigators they realized the approach speed was low and set the auto-throttle to correct it, but realized too late that the aircraft speed never increased.
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So they may have a case. And they are still going to sue Asiana they just started with Boeing.

 
WGN just reported that the coroner confirmed one of the dead girls was actually killed when she was run over by an emergency vehicle. :(

 
Christo said:
WGN just reported that the coroner confirmed one of the dead girls was actually killed when she was run over by an emergency vehicle. :(
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Wow. Very sad. I can't imagine how the person driving the vehicle feels even though it wasn't on person. I hope they can't pin point who did it for this reason. :(

 
Videos just released show teen that was run over by a firetruck was not covered in foam. A firefighter pointed to her body to stop a truck from running over her, and no one checked to see if she had a pulse- which the coroner says she did at that time. Girl is ran over not once but twice! Lawsuit of course is happening. Seems it will be gross negligence vs the scene was so chaotic that they didn't think... Hmmmm. Seems a large settlement is coming to that poor family. I can't imagine if this was my relative or friend... :(

 
NTSB criticizes Asiana crew, Boeing, emergency response in San Francisco crashWASHINGTON -- As Asiana Airlines Flight 214 descended to its doom in the final minutes of its approach to San Francisco International Airport, its crew had several chances to avert disaster.

But a tragic combination of the pilots' poor judgment, their unfamiliarity with the complex gear in the high-tech airliner and emergency responders who lacked training and proper communications equipment all contributed to the fiery crash and deaths of three people, federal investigators concluded Tuesday, nearly one year after the catastrophe.

While the conclusions produced no major surprises, they added more detail to what had been previously known about the crash.

Beginning 14 miles from the airport, "there were what we call maybe cascading errors," said Roger Cox, an investigator for the National Transportation Safety Board during a long-awaited hearing into the cause of the July 6 disaster. "Early errors are fairly common and easy to recover from." But, he added, the errors "compounded and became more egregious."

The biggest problem was the flight crew. They "over-relied on systems they did not understand and flew the aircraft too low and slow, colliding with a sea wall at the end of the runway," said Christopher Hart, the agency's acting director.

Moments before that, the crew still had a chance to avert disaster by aborting the landing and rerouting the plane around the airport for a safer landing approach. But crew members failed to notice that the automatic controls had idled the plane's engines and that they were dangerously losing altitude, the safety board said, because they were fatigued and hamstrung by "role confusion" over who had authority to make critical flight decisions. The veteran pilot was learning to fly the Boeing 777 and had an instructor pilot sitting next to him.

Moreover, the agency said Asiana's policy of not encouraging pilots to fly planes manually during training may have limited the ability of Flight 214's pilot to take "appropriate corrective action."

San Francisco's emergency personnel also were criticized.

While praising firefighters for rescuing several passengers from the burning wreckage and having more than the required number of personnel on hand, the report said "the arriving incident commander placed an officer in charge of the fire attack" who hadn't been properly trained. The responders also had communication problems, including being unable "to speak directly with units from the airport on a common radio frequency" and didn't rush medical buses to the scene, which "delayed the arrival of backboards to treat seriously injured passengers."

In addition, the report said airport emergency officials in general lack policies "for ensuring the safety of passengers and crew at risk of being struck or rolled over by a vehicle" during rescue operations. During the chaotic initial response to the Asiana crash, two firetrucks ran over one of the teenage passengers lying outside the plane. The San Mateo County coroner ruled the girl was alive when she was hit, but the San Francisco Fire Department disputes that finding.

Still more criticism was reserved for Boeing, which made the plane.

Because of the aircraft's complexities and Boeing's inadequate description of those issues, the report said, "the pilot flying had an inaccurate understanding" of some of its technology, "which led to his inadvertent deactivation of automatic airspeed controls." As a result, the federal agency urged Boeing to consider modifying its flight control system to alleviate the problem and to revise the plane's operating manual to help pilots better understand the equipment.

The safety board also noted that two of the three passengers who were killed weren't wearing their seat belts when they were ejected from the crashed plane. Both passengers, including the one run over by the firetrucks, "would likely have remained in the cabin and survived if they had been wearing them," the report said.

Boeing, which previously denied responsibility for the crash, took issue with the conclusion that its equipment's complexity might have played a role in the accident.

"The auto-flight system has been used successfully for over 200 million flight hours across several airplane models and for more than 55 million safe landings," Boeing said in a statement, adding that "the evidence collected during this investigation demonstrates that all of the airplane's systems performed as designed."

While acknowledging that its crew failed to fly the plane properly, Asiana also has maintained that Boeing's complex equipment contributed to the accident. After the safety board's hearing, the airline issued a separate statement saying the recommendation regarding Boeing "can help ensure such an incident does not happen again."

Asiana added that it has bolstered its flight crew training and hired an outside expert to help improve its safety since the accident.

Officials with San Francisco International Airport and the San Francisco Fire Department also issued statements, saying they have beefed up emergency personnel training and made other safety improvements following the fatal mishap.

As part of its report, the safety board issued recommendations to Asiana, Boeing, San Francisco officials and the Federal Aviation Administration to help prevent a similar accident in the future. Although the agency's findings are not admissible in court, it says that more than 82 percent of its past recommendations have been adopted "by those in a position to effect change."

NTSB recommendations

-The National Transportation Safety Board's recommendations following the Asiana Flight 214 crash include:

-Asiana should bolster crew training about automatic flight-control equipment and improve pilot proficiency by making sure their training includes more manual operation of planes instead of just relying on automatic controls.

-Boeing should consider modifying its complicated flight control systems.

-San Francisco's emergency officials should fix the communication problems experienced during the Asiana crash and make sure all of the Fire Department's firefighting and medical equipment is used in future disaster drills.

-The safety board's own Aircraft Rescue and Firefighting Working Group should work with experts to recommend "best practices to avoid striking or rolling over" casualties of airplane crashes.
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http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_26022960/ntsb-asiana-crew-confused-by-aircrafts-technology

 
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