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Plane down at San Fran airport (1 Viewer)

The pilot, identified as Lee Kang-#####, sitting in the captain's seat of Asiana Airlines Flight 214 had 43 hours of experience flying the B777-200, Choi Jeong-ho, the head of the South Korea's Aviation Policy Bureau, said Sunday.
 
So the pilot was never captain to flight to SFO before. The total # hours he had training on a 777 is 43, which may or may not be a factor- depends on experience on similar a/l. Seems likely pilot error. Nothing mechanical found yet and the tapes reviewed seem to portray everything seemed fine until 7 seconds before the crash the pilot figured out he's too low and slow. A couple seconds prior to the crash they were asking to go around but it was too late. They aren't saying pilot error since it's so early on, but it seems in not so many words, that's what it sounds like so far. They'll talk to the pilots tomorrow.

The two killed were 16 year old girls. One may have been ran over by a fire truck, autopsy to be done to see if so. 8 still in critical condition including 1 child. One is a stewardess who has spinal injuries that has resulted in paralysis.

Someone captured a video from the park across the bay showing the plane crash from the beginning. There was a United A/L on the other runway and a few passengers on it said they saw debris and the tail and landing gear land on the tarmac. After 3 hours of sitting there until the dust settled. they were towed back to the terminal for hours of waiting.

One gal saw the plane crash from her balcony. Her father was on that plane. Hours of no word on how he's doing and what's happening was unreal for her. I can't imagine watching the plane my father is on from my balcony crash like that. Very surreal.

Local news has more coverage on the happs than CNN. At least 3 runways are open now. Seems the wreckage will be there for at least another week.

 
The two killed were 16 year old girls. One may have been ran over by a fire truck, autopsy to be done to see if so. 8 still in critical condition including 1 child. One is a stewardess who has spinal injuries that has resulted in paralysis.
Damn. Survive a plane crash and get taken out by an emergency response vehicle? :no:

 
The two killed were 16 year old girls. One may have been ran over by a fire truck, autopsy to be done to see if so. 8 still in critical condition including 1 child. One is a stewardess who has spinal injuries that has resulted in paralysis.
Damn. Survive a plane crash and get taken out by an emergency response vehicle? :no:
Seems like it may have happened. We'll know tomorrow. They are going to pinpoint where everyone was tomorrow. A surgeon at SFG hospital says her injuries are consistent with having been ran over. Now whether she was alive or dead beforehand who knows. I know if this happened the driver responsible will never be the same. Poor guy. Terrible accident on top of this mess.

 
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So the pilot was never captain to flight to SFO before. The total # hours he had training on a 777 is 43, which may or may not be a factor- depends on experience on similar a/l. Seems likely pilot error. Nothing mechanical found yet and the tapes reviewed seem to portray everything seemed fine until 7 seconds before the crash the pilot figured out he's too low and slow. A couple seconds prior to the crash they were asking to go around but it was too late. They aren't saying pilot error since it's so early on, but it seems in not so many words, that's what it sounds like so far. They'll talk to the pilots tomorrow.
Lack of pilot experience/skill might become more of an issue in the future. One of the articles I read about the accident said that with the rise in the demand for air travel in the future--especially in Asia--the need for pilots will dramatically increase. It said tens of thousands of new pilots will be needed. As with most things, increase in demand will put a strain on maintaining quality.

 
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So the pilot was never captain to flight to SFO before. The total # hours he had training on a 777 is 43, which may or may not be a factor- depends on experience on similar a/l. Seems likely pilot error. Nothing mechanical found yet and the tapes reviewed seem to portray everything seemed fine until 7 seconds before the crash the pilot figured out he's too low and slow. A couple seconds prior to the crash they were asking to go around but it was too late. They aren't saying pilot error since it's so early on, but it seems in not so many words, that's what it sounds like so far. They'll talk to the pilots tomorrow.
Lack of pilot experience/skill might become more of an issue in the future. One of the articles I read about the accident said that with the rise in the demand for air travel in the future--especially in Asia--the need for pilots will dramatically increase. It said tens of thousands of new pilots will be needed. As with most things, increase in demand will put a strain on maintaining quality.
I remember back in the early 80s when I was looking to become a commercial pilot, I was told my best chance was to join the air force. They were looking for cream of the crop experience, not just getting your private pilot license then go on to the commercial and logging in hours. It was fierce competition. I never went beyond completing the VFR flying part of the private pilot license in planes like Piper, Cessna, etc. Ran out of funds primarily.

 
A lot of travel chaos around SFO from this incident.

A buddy of mine was supposed to fly with his wife, kid, and friend from San Diego->SFO->Frankfurt yesterday. The crash happened while they were in the air to SFO. Diverted to San Jose. Several hours there, then they put them on a bus to SFO. They get to SFO and find out their flight is cancelled. They spend the night in the airport (he said it was like a tent city last night) to catch a flight to LAX in the morning. Then an 11 hour layover in LAX and their plane to FRA just took off 30mins ago. Basically 36 hours of his life wasted. Would have been nice if United could have figured out a plan while they were in San Jose.

Some folks couldn't get flights until Tues.

 
A lot of travel chaos around SFO from this incident.

A buddy of mine was supposed to fly with his wife, kid, and friend from San Diego->SFO->Frankfurt yesterday. The crash happened while they were in the air to SFO. Diverted to San Jose. Several hours there, then they put them on a bus to SFO. They get to SFO and find out their flight is cancelled. They spend the night in the airport (he said it was like a tent city last night) to catch a flight to LAX in the morning. Then an 11 hour layover in LAX and their plane to FRA just took off 30mins ago. Basically 36 hours of his life wasted. Would have been nice if United could have figured out a plan while they were in San Jose.

Some folks couldn't get flights until Tues.
Hard to complain about travel trouble when you know the cause of the accident was loss of lives not just wasting 36 hours of your buddys life.

 
A lot of travel chaos around SFO from this incident.

A buddy of mine was supposed to fly with his wife, kid, and friend from San Diego->SFO->Frankfurt yesterday. The crash happened while they were in the air to SFO. Diverted to San Jose. Several hours there, then they put them on a bus to SFO. They get to SFO and find out their flight is cancelled. They spend the night in the airport (he said it was like a tent city last night) to catch a flight to LAX in the morning. Then an 11 hour layover in LAX and their plane to FRA just took off 30mins ago. Basically 36 hours of his life wasted. Would have been nice if United could have figured out a plan while they were in San Jose.

Some folks couldn't get flights until Tues.
Hard to complain about travel trouble when you know the cause of the accident was loss of lives not just wasting 36 hours of your buddys life.
Those were his thoughts as well.

Just relating the mess it caused. The airlines weren't doing a good job rerouting people.

 
A lot of travel chaos around SFO from this incident.

A buddy of mine was supposed to fly with his wife, kid, and friend from San Diego->SFO->Frankfurt yesterday. The crash happened while they were in the air to SFO. Diverted to San Jose. Several hours there, then they put them on a bus to SFO. They get to SFO and find out their flight is cancelled. They spend the night in the airport (he said it was like a tent city last night) to catch a flight to LAX in the morning. Then an 11 hour layover in LAX and their plane to FRA just took off 30mins ago. Basically 36 hours of his life wasted. Would have been nice if United could have figured out a plan while they were in San Jose.

Some folks couldn't get flights until Tues.
Hard to complain about travel trouble when you know the cause of the accident was loss of lives not just wasting 36 hours of your buddys life.
Those were his thoughts as well.

Just relating the mess it caused. The airlines weren't doing a good job rerouting people.
Or maybe they were doing a great job but there was no way around the problem.

 
A lot of travel chaos around SFO from this incident.

A buddy of mine was supposed to fly with his wife, kid, and friend from San Diego->SFO->Frankfurt yesterday. The crash happened while they were in the air to SFO. Diverted to San Jose. Several hours there, then they put them on a bus to SFO. They get to SFO and find out their flight is cancelled. They spend the night in the airport (he said it was like a tent city last night) to catch a flight to LAX in the morning. Then an 11 hour layover in LAX and their plane to FRA just took off 30mins ago. Basically 36 hours of his life wasted. Would have been nice if United could have figured out a plan while they were in San Jose.

Some folks couldn't get flights until Tues.
Hard to complain about travel trouble when you know the cause of the accident was loss of lives not just wasting 36 hours of your buddys life.
Those were his thoughts as well.

Just relating the mess it caused. The airlines weren't doing a good job rerouting people.
Glad to hear he was keeping it in perspective. For a second it didn't come off that way.

 
A lot of travel chaos around SFO from this incident.

A buddy of mine was supposed to fly with his wife, kid, and friend from San Diego->SFO->Frankfurt yesterday. The crash happened while they were in the air to SFO. Diverted to San Jose. Several hours there, then they put them on a bus to SFO. They get to SFO and find out their flight is cancelled. They spend the night in the airport (he said it was like a tent city last night) to catch a flight to LAX in the morning. Then an 11 hour layover in LAX and their plane to FRA just took off 30mins ago. Basically 36 hours of his life wasted. Would have been nice if United could have figured out a plan while they were in San Jose.

Some folks couldn't get flights until Tues.
Hard to complain about travel trouble when you know the cause of the accident was loss of lives not just wasting 36 hours of your buddys life.
Those were his thoughts as well.

Just relating the mess it caused. The airlines weren't doing a good job rerouting people.
Or maybe they were doing a great job but there was no way around the problem.
Yeah, you have scores of cxld flights and it's not like, outside of commuter routes, the airlines are have planes with many empty seats to hande the overflow.

 
A lot of travel chaos around SFO from this incident.

A buddy of mine was supposed to fly with his wife, kid, and friend from San Diego->SFO->Frankfurt yesterday. The crash happened while they were in the air to SFO. Diverted to San Jose. Several hours there, then they put them on a bus to SFO. They get to SFO and find out their flight is cancelled. They spend the night in the airport (he said it was like a tent city last night) to catch a flight to LAX in the morning. Then an 11 hour layover in LAX and their plane to FRA just took off 30mins ago. Basically 36 hours of his life wasted. Would have been nice if United could have figured out a plan while they were in San Jose.

Some folks couldn't get flights until Tues.
Hard to complain about travel trouble when you know the cause of the accident was loss of lives not just wasting 36 hours of your buddys life.
Those were his thoughts as well.

Just relating the mess it caused. The airlines weren't doing a good job rerouting people.
Yeah because planes are never full over the July long weekend. Airlines need to pull empty seats out of thin air!!1111!!!!

 
And it looks like most of those hours the pilot had were simulated. Keep enjoying cheap air fare it leads to low cost pilots.

 
I'm not sure if this is an Asian culture thing or just a people are stupid thing, but this report of people grabbing luggage out of overhead bins before they even got their kids is infuriating. It's bad enough that they were already endangering lives by getting their luggage out of a burning plane and holding people up, but doing it before they got their kids is crazy.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/2013/07/07/san-francisco-777-crash-why-did-so-many-passengers-evacuate-with-bags/
It's a 'people are stupid' thing.

 
I'm not sure if this is an Asian culture thing or just a people are stupid thing, but this report of people grabbing luggage out of overhead bins before they even got their kids is infuriating. It's bad enough that they were already endangering lives by getting their luggage out of a burning plane and holding people up, but doing it before they got their kids is crazy.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/2013/07/07/san-francisco-777-crash-why-did-so-many-passengers-evacuate-with-bags/
It's a 'people are stupid' thing.
A lot of speculation in that story.

Remember 123 people were uninjured and the passenger who took the phone video during the evacuation said it appeared everyone was OK.

 
I like it that people are focusing on whether passengers got their bags vs. whether this pilot had a ####### clue how to fly this plane.

 
They interviewed a lot of folks at SF. Not one was pissed, just frustrated at most. All of them understood the situation and expressed their sympathies to those on board 214. As one guy put it, it's out of everyone's control so no point in getting angry. You just go with it and be sympathetic to those involved. Your life is nowhere near miserable compared to those on board 214 so be thankful.

 
Man, I've been on a plane with that runway landing many, many times. Very low to the water, don't see runway until the last second. Now I'l be a little more nervous with the same approach. Thanks ####ty pilot.

Also, a lot of us have had aborted landings, when pilots pull up at the last second. Scary.

This was as routine of a landing as it gets. Daylight, perfect conditions, especially for SFO. Put a guy in training on it. What a tragedy. Huge #### up.

 
I never have a carry on. I can see myself taking 2 seconds to grab my purse from under the seat (if it's easy to do) under these circumstances where there is no fire yet and everyone seems 'ok.'

 
I like it that people are focusing on whether passengers got their bags vs. whether this pilot had a ####### clue how to fly this plane.
We treat pilots like they are taxi drivers these days only we pay them worse. Be glad, as far as we know, he wasn't drunk. To be fair he did have 10k hours in other airframes and had landed at SFO in the past. But his 40ish hours in this airframe, likely all in a simulator, were not enough to allow him to captain this flight IMO.

 
Man, I've been on a plane with that runway landing many, many times. Very low to the water, don't see runway until the last second. Now I'l be a little more nervous with the same approach. Thanks ####ty pilot.

Also, a lot of us have had aborted landings, when pilots pull up at the last second. Scary.

This was as routine of a landing as it gets. Daylight, perfect conditions, especially for SFO. Put a guy in training on it. What a tragedy. Huge #### up.
What I don't get is apparently the other 3 pilots were much more experienced. How come not one said anything. I mean were all 4 clueless? Or is it a cultural thing where you don't question the captain even if you see something bad coming on? :shrug:

And yes, it is rare to have perfect conditions at SFO. There's usually at least fog/clouds or more commonly, wind.

 
Man, I've been on a plane with that runway landing many, many times. Very low to the water, don't see runway until the last second. Now I'l be a little more nervous with the same approach. Thanks ####ty pilot.

Also, a lot of us have had aborted landings, when pilots pull up at the last second. Scary.

This was as routine of a landing as it gets. Daylight, perfect conditions, especially for SFO. Put a guy in training on it. What a tragedy. Huge #### up.
What I don't get is apparently the other 3 pilots were much more experienced. How come not one said anything. I mean were all 4 clueless? Or is it a cultural thing where you don't question the captain even if you see something bad coming on? :shrug:

And yes, it is rare to have perfect conditions at SFO. There's usually at least fog/clouds or more commonly, wind.
Likely it was one of the more experienced pilots that pushed for the go around when they realized they were too low and too slow. It was just too late by then.

 
I like it that people are focusing on whether passengers got their bags vs. whether this pilot had a ####### clue how to fly this plane.
We treat pilots like they are taxi drivers these days only we pay them worse. Be glad, as far as we know, he wasn't drunk. To be fair he did have 10k hours in other airframes and had landed at SFO in the past. But his 40ish hours in this airframe, likely all in a simulator, were not enough to allow him to captain this flight IMO.
Don't know about Asiana, but pilots who fly overseas usually make $150K-$200K. They also have a very strong union with excellent benefits and pensions. I wouldn't call them taxi drivers. That's more the regional pilot types.

That said, they should have way more experience than this guy.

 
Man, I've been on a plane with that runway landing many, many times. Very low to the water, don't see runway until the last second. Now I'l be a little more nervous with the same approach. Thanks ####ty pilot.

Also, a lot of us have had aborted landings, when pilots pull up at the last second. Scary.

This was as routine of a landing as it gets. Daylight, perfect conditions, especially for SFO. Put a guy in training on it. What a tragedy. Huge #### up.
Everyone's got to have their first landing at an airport, but the miniscule number of flight hours is what blows my mind on this.

What were the first mate's stats? I'd have to assume he had more experience, right?

 
Man, I've been on a plane with that runway landing many, many times. Very low to the water, don't see runway until the last second. Now I'l be a little more nervous with the same approach. Thanks ####ty pilot.

Also, a lot of us have had aborted landings, when pilots pull up at the last second. Scary.

This was as routine of a landing as it gets. Daylight, perfect conditions, especially for SFO. Put a guy in training on it. What a tragedy. Huge #### up.
What I don't get is apparently the other 3 pilots were much more experienced. How come not one said anything. I mean were all 4 clueless? Or is it a cultural thing where you don't question the captain even if you see something bad coming on? :shrug:

And yes, it is rare to have perfect conditions at SFO. There's usually at least fog/clouds or more commonly, wind.
Likely it was one of the more experienced pilots that pushed for the go around when they realized they were too low and too slow. It was just too late by then.
Maybe, but if you know this guy is flying a 777 for the first time into SFO I would think at least the copilot would be more vigilant of what's going on before the last 1.5 second when the call went out to do a go around. I mean even the passengers could see the plane is too low.

 
I like it that people are focusing on whether passengers got their bags vs. whether this pilot had a ####### clue how to fly this plane.
We treat pilots like they are taxi drivers these days only we pay them worse. Be glad, as far as we know, he wasn't drunk. To be fair he did have 10k hours in other airframes and had landed at SFO in the past. But his 40ish hours in this airframe, likely all in a simulator, were not enough to allow him to captain this flight IMO.
Don't know about Asiana, but pilots who fly overseas usually make $150K-$200K. They also have a very strong union with excellent benefits and pensions. I wouldn't call them taxi drivers. That's more the regional pilot types.

That said, they should have way more experience than this guy.
Average starting pay at a major airline is 36k. Captains top out on average 165k. Which isn't a lot really when you consider hundreds of lives in their hands and all that.

 
I like it that people are focusing on whether passengers got their bags vs. whether this pilot had a ####### clue how to fly this plane.
We treat pilots like they are taxi drivers these days only we pay them worse. Be glad, as far as we know, he wasn't drunk. To be fair he did have 10k hours in other airframes and had landed at SFO in the past. But his 40ish hours in this airframe, likely all in a simulator, were not enough to allow him to captain this flight IMO.
Don't know about Asiana, but pilots who fly overseas usually make $150K-$200K. They also have a very strong union with excellent benefits and pensions. I wouldn't call them taxi drivers. That's more the regional pilot types.

That said, they should have way more experience than this guy.
Average starting pay at a major airline is 36k. Captains top out on average 165k. Which isn't a lot really when you consider hundreds of lives in their hands and all that.
The economy post 9/11 has pushed it in that direction. It used to be impossible to be a long haul pilot unless you had hundreds of hours from being in the military. They also used to make well over $200K and worked 11 days a month. Now they bring them in from flight schools and start them out making peanuts flying puddle jumpers. The airlines have changed a lot in he last 10-15 years to stay in business.

 
I like it that people are focusing on whether passengers got their bags vs. whether this pilot had a ####### clue how to fly this plane.
We treat pilots like they are taxi drivers these days only we pay them worse. Be glad, as far as we know, he wasn't drunk. To be fair he did have 10k hours in other airframes and had landed at SFO in the past. But his 40ish hours in this airframe, likely all in a simulator, were not enough to allow him to captain this flight IMO.
Don't know about Asiana, but pilots who fly overseas usually make $150K-$200K. They also have a very strong union with excellent benefits and pensions. I wouldn't call them taxi drivers. That's more the regional pilot types.

That said, they should have way more experience than this guy.
Average starting pay at a major airline is 36k. Captains top out on average 165k. Which isn't a lot really when you consider hundreds of lives in their hands and all that.
I think it depends on your training. If you have gone through the air force and have logged serious flying hours, you would come in much higher. It's hard to believe the starting pay is 36K considering what they are doing and the enormous responsibility they have.

 
I like it that people are focusing on whether passengers got their bags vs. whether this pilot had a ####### clue how to fly this plane.
We treat pilots like they are taxi drivers these days only we pay them worse. Be glad, as far as we know, he wasn't drunk. To be fair he did have 10k hours in other airframes and had landed at SFO in the past. But his 40ish hours in this airframe, likely all in a simulator, were not enough to allow him to captain this flight IMO.
Don't know about Asiana, but pilots who fly overseas usually make $150K-$200K. They also have a very strong union with excellent benefits and pensions. I wouldn't call them taxi drivers. That's more the regional pilot types.

That said, they should have way more experience than this guy.
Average starting pay at a major airline is 36k. Captains top out on average 165k. Which isn't a lot really when you consider hundreds of lives in their hands and all that.
I think it depends on your training. If you have gone through the air force and have logged serious flying hours, you would come in much higher. It's hard to believe the starting pay is 36K considering what they are doing and the enormous responsibility they have.
If you think that's hard to believe you don't even want to see what commuter airlines pay. Oh and really if you want to make the big bucks these days call Fed Ex or UPS.

 
I like it that people are focusing on whether passengers got their bags vs. whether this pilot had a ####### clue how to fly this plane.
We treat pilots like they are taxi drivers these days only we pay them worse. Be glad, as far as we know, he wasn't drunk. To be fair he did have 10k hours in other airframes and had landed at SFO in the past. But his 40ish hours in this airframe, likely all in a simulator, were not enough to allow him to captain this flight IMO.
Don't know about Asiana, but pilots who fly overseas usually make $150K-$200K. They also have a very strong union with excellent benefits and pensions. I wouldn't call them taxi drivers. That's more the regional pilot types.

That said, they should have way more experience than this guy.
Average starting pay at a major airline is 36k. Captains top out on average 165k. Which isn't a lot really when you consider hundreds of lives in their hands and all that.
The economy post 9/11 has pushed it in that direction. It used to be impossible to be a long haul pilot unless you had hundreds of hours from being in the military. They also used to make well over $200K and worked 11 days a month. Now they bring them in from flight schools and start them out making peanuts flying puddle jumpers. The airlines have changed a lot in he last 10-15 years to stay in business.
Yeah my uncle and two cousins are commercial pilots. When my uncle was active it was a whole different animal than what his sons have today.

 
I like it that people are focusing on whether passengers got their bags vs. whether this pilot had a ####### clue how to fly this plane.
We treat pilots like they are taxi drivers these days only we pay them worse. Be glad, as far as we know, he wasn't drunk. To be fair he did have 10k hours in other airframes and had landed at SFO in the past. But his 40ish hours in this airframe, likely all in a simulator, were not enough to allow him to captain this flight IMO.
Don't know about Asiana, but pilots who fly overseas usually make $150K-$200K. They also have a very strong union with excellent benefits and pensions. I wouldn't call them taxi drivers. That's more the regional pilot types.

That said, they should have way more experience than this guy.
Average starting pay at a major airline is 36k. Captains top out on average 165k. Which isn't a lot really when you consider hundreds of lives in their hands and all that.
I think it depends on your training. If you have gone through the air force and have logged serious flying hours, you would come in much higher. It's hard to believe the starting pay is 36K considering what they are doing and the enormous responsibility they have.
If you think that's hard to believe you don't even want to see what commuter airlines pay. Oh and really if you want to make the big bucks these days call Fed Ex or UPS.
Very scary. Wow. Didn't realize just how much things have changed since the early 80s when I was looking to get into the field.

 
I like it that people are focusing on whether passengers got their bags vs. whether this pilot had a ####### clue how to fly this plane.
We treat pilots like they are taxi drivers these days only we pay them worse. Be glad, as far as we know, he wasn't drunk. To be fair he did have 10k hours in other airframes and had landed at SFO in the past. But his 40ish hours in this airframe, likely all in a simulator, were not enough to allow him to captain this flight IMO.
Don't know about Asiana, but pilots who fly overseas usually make $150K-$200K. They also have a very strong union with excellent benefits and pensions. I wouldn't call them taxi drivers. That's more the regional pilot types.

That said, they should have way more experience than this guy.
Average starting pay at a major airline is 36k. Captains top out on average 165k. Which isn't a lot really when you consider hundreds of lives in their hands and all that.
The economy post 9/11 has pushed it in that direction. It used to be impossible to be a long haul pilot unless you had hundreds of hours from being in the military. They also used to make well over $200K and worked 11 days a month. Now they bring them in from flight schools and start them out making peanuts flying puddle jumpers. The airlines have changed a lot in he last 10-15 years to stay in business.
Yeah my uncle and two cousins are commercial pilots. When my uncle was active it was a whole different animal than what his sons have today.
My dad worked at a major airline for 30 years (at SFO actually) and I also worked them at SFO for a summer.

Dad took an early retirement a little after 9/11 because the industry started changing dramatically and it was a good time to get out.

 
Man, I've been on a plane with that runway landing many, many times. Very low to the water, don't see runway until the last second. Now I'l be a little more nervous with the same approach. Thanks ####ty pilot.

Also, a lot of us have had aborted landings, when pilots pull up at the last second. Scary.

This was as routine of a landing as it gets. Daylight, perfect conditions, especially for SFO. Put a guy in training on it. What a tragedy. Huge #### up.
Everyone's got to have their first landing at an airport, but the miniscule number of flight hours is what blows my mind on this.

What were the first mate's stats? I'd have to assume he had more experience, right?
The deputy pilot had 3,220 hours on a 777, but he'd never served as a trainer before.http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/08/us-usa-crash-asiana-training-idUSBRE9670LU20130708?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews

 
I like it that people are focusing on whether passengers got their bags vs. whether this pilot had a ####### clue how to fly this plane.
We treat pilots like they are taxi drivers these days only we pay them worse. Be glad, as far as we know, he wasn't drunk. To be fair he did have 10k hours in other airframes and had landed at SFO in the past. But his 40ish hours in this airframe, likely all in a simulator, were not enough to allow him to captain this flight IMO.
Don't know about Asiana, but pilots who fly overseas usually make $150K-$200K. They also have a very strong union with excellent benefits and pensions. I wouldn't call them taxi drivers. That's more the regional pilot types.

That said, they should have way more experience than this guy.
Average starting pay at a major airline is 36k. Captains top out on average 165k. Which isn't a lot really when you consider hundreds of lives in their hands and all that.
The economy post 9/11 has pushed it in that direction. It used to be impossible to be a long haul pilot unless you had hundreds of hours from being in the military. They also used to make well over $200K and worked 11 days a month. Now they bring them in from flight schools and start them out making peanuts flying puddle jumpers. The airlines have changed a lot in he last 10-15 years to stay in business.
Yeah my uncle and two cousins are commercial pilots. When my uncle was active it was a whole different animal than what his sons have today.
My dad worked at a major airline for 30 years (at SFO actually) and I also worked them at SFO for a summer.

Dad took an early retirement a little after 9/11 because the industry started changing dramatically and it was a good time to get out.
Yeah my uncle got his time in just before it went south. He did manage to get a flight in with both of his sons working the cockpit with him. The airline made a big deal out of it.

 
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — One of two teenage girls killed in an Asiana jet crash at San Francisco International Airport might have been struck by an emergency vehicle responding to Saturday's crash, fire officials said on Monday
Horrible. Survive the crash only to be killed by the emergency vehicle.

 
this picture infuriates me

http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/i5iLCajTO3HA_RHeZTQ8Zw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTUyNTtweW9mZj0wO3E9ODU7dz03ODg-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/44124a6fd20af916360f6a706700c292.jpg

the caption says she is an unidentified family member of one of the dead

the creep taking the phtoto pisses me off, and the creep who took the photo which was photobombed by the creep taking the other photo pisses me off

"Look, her family member died and she is crying, grab your cameras!!!!!!!!"

####### vultures

 

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