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This is the crux. Who gets to make the call. I would say it is the person "in the demographic". Lots of people who aren't Native American said Redskins wasn't offensive. Are they in a position to make that call? Should they have a say?Does it matter if they think a change is silly, PC, unnecessary? Probably not.
Lots of people who ARE native americans said Redskins wasn't Offensive either. But their voice was ignored. Same thing is happening with the Cleveland Indians name. It's white people forcing these changes out of either misguided guilt or a veiled attempt to eliminate native culture from the masses. There's already been proposals to change the names of towns, cities, even states because of supposed "cultural appropriation" of native american names. Eventually there will be no evidence of native american culture at all if the PC brigade is allowed to continue rewritingnour history.
This is still consistent with my point even taken from this other side. I'm saying it's not for people outside the affected class to decide how the affected class should feel. A "non-Native American" should not decide whether a Native American should or should not be offended.
Yes. And yet people outside of the affected class (white people) are often the instigators of these changes.
MOP - Curious to see where you stand on using the word "own" in other areas. Is it OK for Snyder to "own" the Football Team? Is it OK for JB to "own" FBGS? Is it OK for me to "own" shares of GM?
Buy and sell is much more offensive than own. We could flush every bit of ff jargon away or we grasp that we don't literally own or buy/sell of people.
FWIW, here is a survey from last year regarding the NBA.
)If they start changing the cities named after native Americans, then the whole state of Oklahoma, with the exceptions of Norman, Okla, goes away. I guess unless there is some nerdy dude on a reservation somewhere named Norman who is offended
This is important.
Across my dynasty leagues I own 5 shares of Player X stock. I do not own Player X.
It's just not necessary. I hope people can differentiate the meaning between what people say regarding a fantasy football league and slavery. The purpose of words is to communicate and with that comes the necessity to understand the context of usage. This is an attempt to force some unnecessary negative leap to a very obvious innocent statement.
More likely you can suck it up if you're offended by it because I can type or write what I want.
Not but they don't say they are buy or selling players either. It's all a matter of context and in Fantasy Football all of these terms, own ,buy, sell refer to the stats of said player, nothing more. I may stop using the term own in this context but the entire phraseology around fantasy football should be reexamined then.
Hold is an intersting one. 'What are Tyreek holders doing with him this off season?'
I remember a couple years ago when ESPN did 24 hours of fantasy football one of the segments they did was an auction draft. They got all kinds of backlash from this as it being equated to slave auctions. It was quite ridiculous.
“Hold” has plenty of negative connotations as well, assuming you’re looking for them. If we follow this argument all the way, the structure of language itself is offensive.
I love how an auction fantasy football draft is 'offensive', but teams literally trading players back and forth against their will is no big deal.
Shaun King was the one who wrote the piece. Since then his credibility has taken several hits.
I'm not going to read through this thread but this reflects my thoughts as well.
It’s not about tacos (the delicious Mexican tortilla-based meat food adored by all the peoples of the world but especially stoners) but rather a reference to the character “Taco” in the show “The League”. Taco wasn’t an idiot, he was more of an idiot savant, since the stupid stuff he did always worked out for him.
It comes up from time to time - people discussing a player, person 1 may assert bias to person 2, person 2 indignantly responds that they “don’t own that player anywhere and how dare you, sir or madame” or some such.
Absolutely no more communication of any kind. Can't even wave hello anymore. No nodding. Just move along with your business.
In general, I’m happy to see thoughtful people engaging in respectful discussion about sensitive issues of race in America. We’re long overdue for such conversations and it’s fair to ask the questions about what should and should not be acceptable. It shows heretofore unrealized potential to become better people & have a more thoughtful society.
The people pushing these issues dont want to have a reasonable conversation about them. They make demands and threats. They create change through force and violence. Then when they are given their demands, they double down and do it all again because it worked.In general, I’m happy to see thoughtful people engaging in respectful discussion about sensitive issues of race in America. We’re long overdue for such conversations and it’s fair to ask the questions about what should and should not be acceptable. It shows heretofore unrealized potential to become better people & have a more thoughtful society.
Specifically to this subject, it can definitely seem too PC or over the top or heavy-handed.
But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have the conversation, nor should it be a reason to hate all political correctness.
The balance is in sticking to one question at a time without making sweeping generalizations like, “well we just can’t have any comedians any more if I can’t say the N word when telling a racist joke”. Not saying you, specifically did this, but I see that line of reasoning a lot. That’s a slippery slope & should be avoided.
This topic is a bit of an extreme example - I’ll note Shaun King didn’t write his article about fantasy hockey or fantasy golf, both of which use auction formats as well. But he’s somewhat known as a rabble rouser (and a liar and harasser of women) so I expect over the top PC from him because it gives him something to write about & get attention for.
The rest of us should be able to entertain a mature discussion about whether or not he’s right. That doesn’t mean cancel culture is taking away our magical foozeball.
